The truth about 9/11

chris32482
chris32482 Posts: 213
edited August 2013 in A Moving Train
I came across this website with a lot of interesting blurbs regarding 9/11 made by knowledgable and credible people. It has really made me think seriously about what I believe. For a long time I thought maybe it was possible that certain individuals within our Government knew about an impending attack and allowed it to happen, but I didn't believe it was an "inside job". Now, I question that assumption. I wonder if our leaders were not actually involved to a much greater extent.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport#Shaffer
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  • release23420
    release23420 Posts: 1,176
    edited July 2010
    the truth about 9/11 is it was an inside job an did you know bin hidden was at the crawford ranch in tx on 9/11
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  • maj4e
    maj4e Posts: 605
    I haven't read that site yet (I'll flip through it later) but I just find it hard to believe that a government that screws up so many things on a daily basis can be so efficient in executing a plan like that and keep it a secret before, during and 9 years after.
  • chris32482
    chris32482 Posts: 213
    maj4e wrote:
    I haven't read that site yet (I'll flip through it later) but I just find it hard to believe that a government that screws up so many things on a daily basis can be so efficient in executing a plan like that and keep it a secret before, during and 9 years after.

    Yes but you can't think of it like that. I don't belive that "the government" as a single entity had anything to do with it. It was more than likely a group of well-connected individuals working through the U.S. intelligence networks.
  • maj4e
    maj4e Posts: 605
    You make a good point and I don't think of the gov as a single organism but no matter how nasty our agencies can be I just don't think they can pull something like that off. On a scale that size with all that at stake and for that length of time?
  • chris32482
    chris32482 Posts: 213
    maj4e wrote:
    You make a good point and I don't think of the gov as a single organism but no matter how nasty our agencies can be I just don't think they can pull something like that off. On a scale that size with all that at stake and for that length of time?

    I know what you're saying. It is something to think about. But there are too many things that don't add up (or do add up, I guess depending on how you look at it) about 9/11. I don't want to start listing all the facts here, I would end up with a post a mile long. There are lots of links on that website with interesting data. A good one is http://www.physics911.net/.

    Let me just say that if you have any doubt that our government would lie to the American people in order to start a war, read about the Gulf of Tonkin, or Operation Northwoods.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    maj4e wrote:
    I haven't read that site yet (I'll flip through it later) but I just find it hard to believe that a government that screws up so many things on a daily basis can be so efficient in executing a plan like that and keep it a secret before, during and 9 years after.


    what about all the black ops and other secrets kept throughout the years? how'd they manage that? it's not like every person in government would have been involved, it really wouldn't even take that many, just some in the right places
    don't compete; coexist

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  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    Oh hey look another 9-11 thread on the "MT" how original

    Anyone wanna take bets on how long this 9-11 thread last. I say 8-10 pages of rehashed info.

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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    i know, not nearly as riveting as the debate on the aet over whether or not cigarettes can be called stogies.... :roll:
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • maj4e
    maj4e Posts: 605
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    maj4e wrote:
    I haven't read that site yet (I'll flip through it later) but I just find it hard to believe that a government that screws up so many things on a daily basis can be so efficient in executing a plan like that and keep it a secret before, during and 9 years after.


    what about all the black ops and other secrets kept throughout the years? how'd they manage that? it's not like every person in government would have been involved, it really wouldn't even take that many, just some in the right places

    I don't doubt for a sec that there's clandestine operations. But 9/11 was an order of magnitude greater than 4 guys sneaking in and knocking off a diplomat in Czechoslovakia. And really I'm not saying that they couldn't pull it off but there's no way that the hundreds it would take to execute it would be quiet about it for 9 years.

    Plus I'm not trying to argue with anyone just throwing in the ol' 2 cents.
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    release23420 wrote:
    the truth about 9/11 is it was an inside job an did you know bin hidden was at the crawford ranch in tx on 9/11

    You're joking right??? :roll:
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    chris32482 wrote:
    I came across this website with a lot of interesting blurbs regarding 9/11 made by knowledgable and credible people. It has really made me think seriously about what I believe. For a long time I thought maybe it was possible that certain individuals within our Government knew about an impending attack and allowed it to happen, but I didn't believe it was an "inside job". Now, I question that assumption. I wonder if our leaders were not actually involved to a much greater extent.

    http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport#Shaffer



    http://www.google.com/products/catalog? ... DEQ8wIwAg#


    read this book
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    - Joe Rogan
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    chris32482 wrote:
    I came across this website with a lot of interesting blurbs regarding 9/11 made by knowledgable and credible people. It has really made me think seriously about what I believe. For a long time I thought maybe it was possible that certain individuals within our Government knew about an impending attack and allowed it to happen, but I didn't believe it was an "inside job". Now, I question that assumption. I wonder if our leaders were not actually involved to a much greater extent.

    http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport#Shaffer



    http://www.google.com/products/catalog? ... DEQ8wIwAg#


    read this book
    lol...the reviews of that book are as divided as people are about 9/11. The CT crowd gives it 1 star, calling it disinformation...the mainstream folks all think it's frickin War and Peace. Shocking.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Drowned Out wrote:
    lol...the reviews of that book are as divided as people are about 9/11. The CT crowd gives it 1 star, calling it disinformation...the mainstream folks all think it's frickin War and Peace. Shocking.

    the parts about the conspiracies are interesting but the passagess on the psychology of conspiracy theories are really pretty interesting. It isn't gonna change any minds, but it is a great read if you are interested in conspiracy theoories on a psychological/sociological level.
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • matabele
    matabele Posts: 277
    The thing that makes this unlikely is the amount of people that would have had to be involved keeping their mouths shut. After all these years somebodies conscience would have got the better of them or they would get the urge to spill the beans, either for money or for fame.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    matabele wrote:
    The thing that makes this unlikely is the amount of people that would have had to be involved keeping their mouths shut. After all these years somebodies conscience would have got the better of them or they would get the urge to spill the beans, either for money or for fame.
    If it were an inside job, or at least criminal negligience, how many people would have knowledge of every detail in the plan? Probably very few. Lots of people would have knowledge of minor details, which if pieced together, paints a picture in stark contrast to the Commission report.
    There were many whistleblowers - no one with a smoking gun, here it is on a silver platter-type confession....but many that were silenced when trying to report anomolies between the official story and what they knew as truth...a partial list:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=17961
  • matabele
    matabele Posts: 277
    Drowned Out wrote:
    matabele wrote:
    The thing that makes this unlikely is the amount of people that would have had to be involved keeping their mouths shut. After all these years somebodies conscience would have got the better of them or they would get the urge to spill the beans, either for money or for fame.
    If it were an inside job, or at least criminal negligience, how many people would have knowledge of every detail in the plan? Probably very few. Lots of people would have knowledge of minor details, which if pieced together, paints a picture in stark contrast to the Commission report.
    There were many whistleblowers - no one with a smoking gun, here it is on a silver platter-type confession....but many that were silenced when trying to report anomolies between the official story and what they knew as truth...a partial list:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=17961
    I must admit that when certain peoples statements are looked at the possibility of an inside job becomes more probable. The real thing that stops the majority of people looking any deeper is that we cannot believe that our leaders could go to such extremes, we also do not want to believe it as that discovery would destroy everything we believe in.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I always enjoy the very polar belief by the 9-11 truthers, basically that the government or some in it are either so overly-competent to pull off something like 9-11 or their utter incompetence that they can't do anything and government is filled with idiots. And what has always made GW Bush such a decisive figure is this exact premise - some people think he's an evil genius and others think he's an absolute buffoon (idiot puppet). Anyways, good luck solving the 9-11 "conspiracy", I'll be awaiting the findings.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    FiveB247x wrote:
    I always enjoy the very polar belief by the 9-11 truthers, basically that the government or some in it are either so overly-competent to pull off something like 9-11 or their utter incompetence that they can't do anything and government is filled with idiots. And what has always made GW Bush such a decisive figure is this exact premise - some people think he's an evil genius and others think he's an absolute buffoon (idiot puppet). Anyways, good luck solving the 9-11 "conspiracy", I'll be awaiting the findings.
    I always enjoy how people paint anyone who questions 9/11 as a conspiracy theorist, or even more heinous, a "truther" (since when is 'truth' a dirty word?) Im guessing you'd be willing to admit that the official story doesnt add up...yet you have no problem talking down to people who point out the inconsistencies therein....
    We've already got the "too many people involved", and the "evil geniuses / incompetent buffoon" blanket rebuttals...all thats left is a smug reference to occams razor and we'll have the trifecta of "I have no idea what happened, but here's why YOU are wrong" statements all in one thread. All three are just an easy way out.
    we can finish it off with " you'll never know, why bother?" To complete the circle of apathy. Cool.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Simply because we don't know all the facts regarding what happened and trying to find out is one thing, but 99.9% of anyone on this board who talks about this stuff, isn't looking for or seeking "truth", they're simply trying to fill the void on their skewed version of the truth. So we hear all about conspiracy, inside job, who knew what, and the half-truth science which fits their mold. Just like the lunar landing, 100% of the fact and truth has been gone over, yet people still believe it didn't occur... you know why? Not because of truth or fact, but simply because they don't want to believe. People don't care about truth and fact, they care about what facts they choose to believe in order to build their truth. Which is why it's a conspiracy theory.
    Drowned Out wrote:
    I always enjoy how people paint anyone who questions 9/11 as a conspiracy theorist, or even more heinous, a "truther" (since when is 'truth' a dirty word?) Im guessing you'd be willing to admit that the official story doesnt add up...yet you have no problem talking down to people who point out the inconsistencies therein....
    We've already got the "too many people involved", and the "evil geniuses / incompetent buffoon" blanket rebuttals...all thats left is a smug reference to occams razor and we'll have the trifecta of "I have no idea what happened, but here's why YOU are wrong" statements all in one thread. All three are just an easy way out.
    we can finish it off with " you'll never know, why bother?" To complete the circle of apathy. Cool.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Simply because we don't know all the facts regarding what happened and trying to find out is one thing, but 99.9% of anyone on this board who talks about this stuff, isn't looking for or seeking "truth", they're simply trying to fill the void on their skewed version of the truth. So we hear all about conspiracy, inside job, who knew what, and the half-truth science which fits their mold. Just like the lunar landing, 100% of the fact and truth has been gone over, yet people still believe it didn't occur... you know why? Not because of truth or fact, but simply because they don't want to believe. People don't care about truth and fact, they care about what facts they choose to believe in order to build their truth. Which is why it's a conspiracy theory.
    Drowned Out wrote:
    I always enjoy how people paint anyone who questions 9/11 as a conspiracy theorist, or even more heinous, a "truther" (since when is 'truth' a dirty word?) Im guessing you'd be willing to admit that the official story doesnt add up...yet you have no problem talking down to people who point out the inconsistencies therein....
    We've already got the "too many people involved", and the "evil geniuses / incompetent buffoon" blanket rebuttals...all thats left is a smug reference to occams razor and we'll have the trifecta of "I have no idea what happened, but here's why YOU are wrong" statements all in one thread. All three are just an easy way out.
    we can finish it off with " you'll never know, why bother?" To complete the circle of apathy. Cool.
    Are you insinuating that this is what Ive done / am doing? Are you above this?

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