idiots at the g20 protests

haffajappa

are these guys the same as the ones who came to vancouver during 2010 - by that i mean, the violent ones that have nothing better to do than ruin it for legitimate protesters with their pointless angst and violence...
it really pisses me off... especially when people have put ina lot of time and effort to create a meaningful and peaceful protest... these idiots use their rights to freedom of speech just to create violence for the sake of violence - and they ruin everyone else's message with it.

Godfather.

haffajappa wrote:

are these guys the same as the ones who came to vancouver during 2010 - by that i mean, the violent ones that have nothing better to do than ruin it for legitimate protesters with their pointless angst and violence...
it really pisses me off... especially when people have put ina lot of time and effort to create a meaningful and peaceful protest... these idiots use their rights to freedom of speech just to create violence for the sake of violence - and they ruin everyone else's message with it.

this is funny....pot this is kettle
no offence man but to hear a protester complain about another protester is funny.

Godfather.

haffajappa

Godfather. wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

are these guys the same as the ones who came to vancouver during 2010 - by that i mean, the violent ones that have nothing better to do than ruin it for legitimate protesters with their pointless angst and violence...
it really pisses me off... especially when people have put ina lot of time and effort to create a meaningful and peaceful protest... these idiots use their rights to freedom of speech just to create violence for the sake of violence - and they ruin everyone else's message with it.

this is funny....pot this is kettle
no offence man but to hear a protester complain about another protester is funny.

Godfather.

sorry, am i missing something? what protests ahve you seen me at exactly?
i guess for one i should simplify it and clarify it a little bit more for you, and say i shouldn't confuse the word protester, because these idiots aren't really protesting anything.

if you can't see the difference between a peaceful protest and some anarchists looking to smash things just for the sake of trying to be edgy and anti-establishment then i'm not even going waste my time with you.

yoke

i think it was the tea party

flywallyfly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

On August 20, 2007, three protesters in Montebello, Canada during meetings of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America were discovered to be police provocateurs by Dave Coles, president of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada. The entire incident was filmed and posted on YouTube before being picked up by the mainstream media. The video [4] shows three masked men, one of whom was armed with a large rock, being confronted by peaceful protesters. After the men breached the police line, they were brought to the ground, handcuffed, and taken away. Photographs revealed that their boot-tread matched that of the arresting officers. Although they at first denied that the individuals in question were agents provocateurs, the Sûreté du Québec issued a news release on August 23 admitting that the three protesters were, in fact, police officers.[5][6]

Godfather.

haffajappa wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

are these guys the same as the ones who came to vancouver during 2010 - by that i mean, the violent ones that have nothing better to do than ruin it for legitimate protesters with their pointless angst and violence...
it really pisses me off... especially when people have put ina lot of time and effort to create a meaningful and peaceful protest... these idiots use their rights to freedom of speech just to create violence for the sake of violence - and they ruin everyone else's message with it.

this is funny....pot this is kettle
no offence man but to hear a protester complain about another protester is funny.

Godfather.

sorry, am i missing something? what protests ahve you seen me at exactly?
i guess for one i should simplify it and clarify it a little bit more for you, and say i shouldn't confuse the word protester, because these idiots aren't really protesting anything.

if you can't see the difference between a peaceful protest and some anarchists looking to smash things just for the sake of trying to be edgy and anti-establishment then i'm not even going waste my time with you.

sorry,I thought you had posted in a earlier thread that you had attended protests before, I don't know anything about the G20 protests I just thought it was funny that a protester would complain about another protester.

Godfather.

ACCBootlegGoddess

Wow Morons trashed and looted some busineses today. 5 cop cars were vandalized (4 set on fire) at the biggest political event in the word (G8/G20)...and nobody is AWARE of it?? WOW
I'm told CNN covered it.

Well I'll say this...it's a small handful of douchebags who are NOT local btw using Black Bloc tactics and ruining things for everyone and making my beautiful unsafe to be in :(

I lost a shift of work today (At ACC) due to this bulllshit! Concert was cancelled (right decision to cancel it btw).

I REALLY hope these assclowns don't repeat this behaviour tomorrow.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

Godfather. wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

this is funny....pot this is kettle
no offence man but to hear a protester complain about another protester is funny.

Godfather.

sorry, am i missing something? what protests ahve you seen me at exactly?
i guess for one i should simplify it and clarify it a little bit more for you, and say i shouldn't confuse the word protester, because these idiots aren't really protesting anything.

if you can't see the difference between a peaceful protest and some anarchists looking to smash things just for the sake of trying to be edgy and anti-establishment then i'm not even going waste my time with you.

sorry,I thought you had posted in a earlier thread that you had attended protests before, I don't know anything about the G20 protests I just thought it was funny that a protester would complain about another protester.

Godfather.

im not sure why you are having such difficulty with this. its not a hard thing to grasp.

Peaceful protestors and thugs who just need an excuse to break shit are not the same thing.

lukin2006

First of all, what do people expect, this seems to happen at every G8/G20 summit. However Toronto has no right to whine, they know this shit happens and could very easily said we don't want you here and if you insist on being here you'll get no help from us. But they want the money that all the people brought to the city these past few days.

Now as a Canadian citizen I am appalled at the cost of these 2 summits, that 1-2 billion could go along way toward solving some health care problems or helping Joe somebody who lost his job at auto plant or anywhere for that matter, but no, we got to spend billions on some dumb summit for a bunch of elite's politicians just so they can devise a way to spend more of my and other Canadians tax $$$$$ in Africa and other so called developing countries (who never seem to develop). As far as I'm concerned it's about time our tax $$$ get spent here to help Canadians first.

pandora

We will have much more of this, violence, because peaceful protests seem to do absolutely nothing to change anything and people are upset with that and the ways of the world. Emotions are running high and probably will only get worse as people feel more and more helpless. There is a conspiracy theory for everything and the lack of trust and faith is growing along with a lack of patience.

lukin2006

pandora wrote:

We will have much more of this, violence, because peaceful protests seem to do absolutely nothing to change anything and people are upset with that and the ways of the world. Emotions are running high and probably will only get worse as people feel more and more helpless. There is a conspiracy theory for everything and the lack of trust and faith is growing along with a lack of patience.

That's bullshit. I am sure most of these vandals aren't from Toronto, yet they are destroying property that the people in Toronto work hard to maintain. How do you figure people aren't trying, how many trillions has the west given to these developing countries over the years. Maybe these protesters need to head to these developing countries and protest the way they do things and start holding them accountable for their actions, like the fact that many African men refuse too wear condoms which continues the spread of HIV and other STD's and unwanted pregnancies.

Sorry I used to drink the Bono soup on Africa, but the west does more than it's fair share now it's time that these countries that receive this aid start taking responsibility and be accountable.

pandora

lukin2006 wrote:

pandora wrote:

We will have much more of this, violence, because peaceful protests seem to do absolutely nothing to change anything and people are upset with that and the ways of the world. Emotions are running high and probably will only get worse as people feel more and more helpless. There is a conspiracy theory for everything and the lack of trust and faith is growing along with a lack of patience.

That's bullshit. I am sure most of these vandals aren't from Toronto, yet they are destroying property that the people in Toronto work hard to maintain. How do you figure people aren't trying, how many trillions has the west given to these developing countries over the years. Maybe these protesters need to head to these developing countries and protest the way they do things and start holding them accountable for their actions, like the fact that many African men refuse too wear condoms which continues the spread of HIV and other STD's and unwanted pregnancies.

Sorry I used to drink the Bono soup on Africa, but the west does more than it's fair share now it's time that these countries that receive this aid start taking responsibility and be accountable.

Perhaps you misunderstood I didn't say it was right or that I was for or against anything, I said we will see much more of this in the future, violence. Not necessarily foreign aid related but all protests because people, all people are at their wits end .

lukin2006

pandora wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

pandora wrote:

We will have much more of this, violence, because peaceful protests seem to do absolutely nothing to change anything and people are upset with that and the ways of the world. Emotions are running high and probably will only get worse as people feel more and more helpless. There is a conspiracy theory for everything and the lack of trust and faith is growing along with a lack of patience.

That's bullshit. I am sure most of these vandals aren't from Toronto, yet they are destroying property that the people in Toronto work hard to maintain. How do you figure people aren't trying, how many trillions has the west given to these developing countries over the years. Maybe these protesters need to head to these developing countries and protest the way they do things and start holding them accountable for their actions, like the fact that many African men refuse too wear condoms which continues the spread of HIV and other STD's and unwanted pregnancies.

Sorry I used to drink the Bono soup on Africa, but the west does more than it's fair share now it's time that these countries that receive this aid start taking responsibility and be accountable.

Perhaps you misunderstood I didn't say it was right or that I was for or against anything, I said we will see much more of this in the future, violence. Not necessarily foreign aid related but all protests because people, all people are at their wits end .

Really the only things that frustrates me is that my taxes are constantly being given to these countries when their is plenty of folk here that needs help. Maybe it's time that everybody looks at how things are being done, just giving money is not the answer. Education and teaching them to do for themselves would be a far better solution, but who knows what the solution, but money is not solving very many of the problems.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
Chinese Proverb

MrMerkinball

ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:

Wow Morons trashed and looted some busineses today. 5 cop cars were vandalized (4 set on fire) at the biggest political event in the word (G8/G20)...and nobody is AWARE of it?? WOW
I'm told CNN covered it.

Well I'll say this...it's a small handful of douchebags who are NOT local btw using Black Bloc tactics and ruining things for everyone and making my beautiful unsafe to be in :(

I lost a shift of work today (At ACC) due to this bulllshit! Concert was cancelled (right decision to cancel it btw).

I REALLY hope these assclowns don't repeat this behaviour tomorrow.

What a day!!! They are going to repeat it again today. Only worse. There will be more police response.

Godfather.

MrMerkinball wrote:

ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:

Wow Morons trashed and looted some busineses today. 5 cop cars were vandalized (4 set on fire) at the biggest political event in the word (G8/G20)...and nobody is AWARE of it?? WOW
I'm told CNN covered it.

Well I'll say this...it's a small handful of douchebags who are NOT local btw using Black Bloc tactics and ruining things for everyone and making my beautiful unsafe to be in :(

I lost a shift of work today (At ACC) due to this bulllshit! Concert was cancelled (right decision to cancel it btw).

I REALLY hope these assclowns don't repeat this behaviour tomorrow.

What a day!!! They are going to repeat it again today. Only worse. There will be more police response.

Marshall law........

Godfather.

haffajappa

lukin2006 wrote:

First of all, what do people expect, this seems to happen at every G8/G20 summit. However Toronto has no right to whine, they know this shit happens and could very easily said we don't want you here and if you insist on being here you'll get no help from us. But they want the money that all the people brought to the city these past few days.

Now as a Canadian citizen I am appalled at the cost of these 2 summits, that 1-2 billion could go along way toward solving some health care problems or helping Joe somebody who lost his job at auto plant or anywhere for that matter, but no, we got to spend billions on some dumb summit for a bunch of elite's politicians just so they can devise a way to spend more of my and other Canadians tax $$$$$ in Africa and other so called developing countries (who never seem to develop). As far as I'm concerned it's about time our tax $$$ get spent here to help Canadians first.

Yeh, its not like we don't expect violence. They should just not announce to ANYONE that there will be a summit, have it in secret and then when it's done come out and say - hey we just has a summit and these are our goals. Might save us a few billion dollars and a fake lake. Fucking Harper!

The only thing I don't really agree with you is the Africa stuff - at least the condoms thing you mentioned... You know that has a LOT to do with the Catholic Church right? I see it as a bit of a problem when they are telling people there that condoms are lined with HIV... We're never going to solve the Aids crisis until we get the Pope to shut the fuck up...

lukin2006

Godfather. wrote:

MrMerkinball wrote:

ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:

Wow Morons trashed and looted some busineses today. 5 cop cars were vandalized (4 set on fire) at the biggest political event in the word (G8/G20)...and nobody is AWARE of it?? WOW
I'm told CNN covered it.

Well I'll say this...it's a small handful of douchebags who are NOT local btw using Black Bloc tactics and ruining things for everyone and making my beautiful unsafe to be in :(

I lost a shift of work today (At ACC) due to this bulllshit! Concert was cancelled (right decision to cancel it btw).

I REALLY hope these assclowns don't repeat this behaviour tomorrow.

What a day!!! They are going to repeat it again today. Only worse. There will be more police response.

Marshall law........

Godfather.

Sorry I don't want to see Marshall Law in my country.

lukin2006

haffajappa wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

First of all, what do people expect, this seems to happen at every G8/G20 summit. However Toronto has no right to whine, they know this shit happens and could very easily said we don't want you here and if you insist on being here you'll get no help from us. But they want the money that all the people brought to the city these past few days.

Now as a Canadian citizen I am appalled at the cost of these 2 summits, that 1-2 billion could go along way toward solving some health care problems or helping Joe somebody who lost his job at auto plant or anywhere for that matter, but no, we got to spend billions on some dumb summit for a bunch of elite's politicians just so they can devise a way to spend more of my and other Canadians tax $$$$$ in Africa and other so called developing countries (who never seem to develop). As far as I'm concerned it's about time our tax $$$ get spent here to help Canadians first.

Yeh, its not like we don't expect violence. They should just not announce to ANYONE that there will be a summit, have it in secret and then when it's done come out and say - hey we just has a summit and these are our goals. Might save us a few billion dollars and a fake lake. Fucking Harper!

The only thing I don't really agree with you is the Africa stuff - at least the condoms thing you mentioned... You know that has a LOT to do with the Catholic Church right? I see it as a bit of a problem when they are telling people there that condoms are lined with HIV... We're never going to solve the Aids crisis until we get the Pope to shut the fuck up...

If you must hold these meetings why not at a military base, probably great security, but better yet why not use modern technology like conference calls. Yes I know that has a lot to do with the church, and i have no use for the pope or the catholic church or any church for that matter. The catholic church is a whole new thread, lol.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

lukin2006 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Marshall law........

Godfather.

Sorry I don't want to see Marshall Law in my country.

who's this Marshall character?? oh, you mean MARTIAL. Sorry, just had to! :P

ACCBootlegGoddess

lukin2006 wrote:

First of all, what do people expect, this seems to happen at every G8/G20 summit. However Toronto has no right to whine, they know this shit happens and could very easily said we don't want you here and if you insist on being here you'll get no help from us. But they want the money that all the people brought to the city these past few days.

Now as a Canadian citizen I am appalled at the cost of these 2 summits, that 1-2 billion could go along way toward solving some health care problems or helping Joe somebody who lost his job at auto plant or anywhere for that matter, but no, we got to spend billions on some dumb summit for a bunch of elite's politicians just so they can devise a way to spend more of my and other Canadians tax $$$$$ in Africa and other so called developing countries (who never seem to develop). As far as I'm concerned it's about time our tax $$$ get spent here to help Canadians first.

Toronto has no right to whine??? None of those assholes who looted and vandalized my city were FROM my city!! We have protests here ALL THE TIME and NONE end up like this...NONE!
How can we say we don't want you here when a) We have something called the right to free speech and assembly and b) we don't know who these assholes engaging in black bloc tactics are until it HAPPENS. I'm not about limiting the movement of law abiding citizens whether they are Canadian Citizens or another countries citizens because something COULD happen.
There is footage of people smashing windows and cops just WATCHING them!! They could have arrested them and they didn't! Perhaps they were waiting for backup...I dunno.
Those people did NOT get help from Torontonians. In fact it was in fact the peaceful protesters who were going to those businesses and apologizing to the owners for the damage, telling them that those people were NOT part of their organization and their actions were NOT condoned by the other 99% of people on the street.

I agree with your second paragraph though. Despite what happened yesterday I totally think $1-2 billion was VERY excessive! The summit didn't need that small, ugly fake lake either!
I'm so glad this is almost over and these assholes can get the fuck out of my city! I want my city back. I want to go out at lunch on a workday and not have cops every 10 feet!!

ACCBootlegGoddess

MrMerkinball wrote:

ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:

Wow Morons trashed and looted some busineses today. 5 cop cars were vandalized (4 set on fire) at the biggest political event in the word (G8/G20)...and nobody is AWARE of it?? WOW
I'm told CNN covered it.

Well I'll say this...it's a small handful of douchebags who are NOT local btw using Black Bloc tactics and ruining things for everyone and making my beautiful unsafe to be in :(

I lost a shift of work today (At ACC) due to this bulllshit! Concert was cancelled (right decision to cancel it btw).

I REALLY hope these assclowns don't repeat this behaviour tomorrow.

What a day!!! They are going to repeat it again today. Only worse. There will be more police response.

Thank God today has been better. Dunno about the actions of some cops, but since I'm not there I can't comment on what I'm seeing on TV as I'm likely not seeing the whole story. Were you working yesterday?? I know your work was on lockdown and some of the damage was right near there. Hope you were nowhere near there.
One of the police cars that were lit on fire was near my work....dunno if my building was damanged (there is a small bank/machines on the main floor). I'll find out when I go in tomorrow.