Part of USA closed off to American citizens

Pats54

tonifig8 wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

The state i live in the pols were going to give illegals free in state college tuition. Makes a ton of sense. An illegal shows up in an emergency room in this country do they get services or Aid? Of course they do. I have no issue with people coming here legally and going through the proper channels to do so. This let anybody in mentality is nonsense. Once a kid is born here they are given full US aid regardless if the parent is legal or not because they are now a US citizen. That law makes a ton of sense. :roll:

We need a system in place that includes a guest worker program to meet our labor needs. With a system that is able to track these workers as they exit and leave country. Letting anyone in and out of the country is a huge national security issue. The Feds need to step up on this it should not be left to the states. States are reacting now b/c the feds have done and continue to do nothing (W as well as Barry)

Free state college tuition? Where sign me up.... show me where someone can receive free tuition -
Emergency Aid is provided to anyone regardless of legal status. Hospitals are designed to preserve life. If you went to a Hospital in Mexico would you want them to try and save your life or to check your papers?

If a kid is born here then he is a legal citizen - he is entitled to all of the benefits of this country- Do some of these same kids die in war defending the interest of this country? Is that fare?
Obama has deported more illegal immigrants then Bush's last year.... How is that not an improvement?

What's wrong with amnesty? Deport all the serious criminals, a fine of 10k, learn the language, 200hrs of community service, and start paying taxes!

Use the money from the fine to secure the boarder.... It's a more common sense approach ..... Or should they just round up brown people and put them on buses?

When your parents are illegal and you are coming here to have a couple kids so they can become US citizens then that is wrong. Not defending W record on immigration or Barry's for that matter. The fed govt has been a joke with this issue basically punting

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

ok, ok TONFIG. I yield.

Ive tried to watch MSNBC, but they make CNN look conservative! Let's just watch who we want.

To your suggestion on immigration. I see that you are from Cali. I too hail from SoCal- Lancaster/Palmdale, although work has brought me to the Bible Belt since '95. I know, I'm old.

You live w/ this issue daily, more than most who post here. It's hard for someone in Vermont or somewhere, to understand the severity of the border state's immigration problems.

You said give citizenship thru a process, 200hrs, 10k fine, and all that. (We're geting close to an agreement here- I can feel it.) Well as a conservative, I'm with you on one thing and it might suprise you. I would be all for granting US citizenship to ALL 12,000,000+ illegals at once- and with or w/out the fine and 200hrs, etc. I don't even care if they speak English (we've figured it out so far.)

All I, and I think most conservatives, want is to secure the border FIRST.

Build a wall, then give amnesty. Without border security, there can be no legalization.

Seriously. It's a compromise that I can live with. How bout you?

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

10 Songs? Thats a dynamic list- always changing, but here goes:

1 Black (always #1. love the sad ones.)
2 Immortality
3 The End (so sad it hurts to listen to)
4 Present Tense
5 Evenflow (mike...)
6 Go
7 Rearview M
8 Unthought Known
9 Got Some
10 Indifference

Albums?
1 Vitalogy
2 Backspacer (for now)


How bout you?

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Your Mom Made Me Pancakes wrote:

ok, ok TONFIG. I yield.

Ive tried to watch MSNBC, but they make CNN look conservative! Let's just watch who we want.

To your suggestion on immigration. I see that you are from Cali. I too hail from SoCal- Lancaster/Palmdale, although work has brought me to the Bible Belt since '95. I know, I'm old.

You live w/ this issue daily, more than most who post here. It's hard for someone in Vermont or somewhere, to understand the severity of the border state's immigration problems.

You said give citizenship thru a process, 200hrs, 10k fine, and all that. (We're geting close to an agreement here- I can feel it.) Well as a conservative, I'm with you on one thing and it might suprise you. I would be all for granting US citizenship to ALL 12,000,000+ illegals at once- and with or w/out the fine and 200hrs, etc. I don't even care if they speak English (we've figured it out so far.)

All I, and I think most conservatives, want is to secure the border FIRST.

Build a wall, then give amnesty. Without border security, there can be no legalization.

Seriously. It's a compromise that I can live with. How bout you?

Wow... .
Boarder security= #1 - totally agree
I prefer the fine, the community service, and deporting of serious criminals.
My parents were illegal immigrants ....and Reagan really gave them an opportunity. They have never asked anything of the GOV. and they have always worked and paid their taxes... of course not everyone is like that, but many are and many would give their children for this country...
My fiance', who also comes from illegal immigrant parents (who by the way are all US citizens now) Use to be a school psychologist in the Palm dale area... maybe you know her (if you're involved w/ the school dist) .

If i could suggest someone from MSNBC it would be Rachel Maddow - Other then that I agree most are extreme left....We'll Keith is definitely a smart guy and fun to watch....he provides some good laughs...no doubt...

I can't believe you listen to Levin.... wow... He seems evil sometimes.... but I really do listen to him about 2 or 3 times a week... I usually listen to John and Ken.... they get my blood boiling .... I love it!

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Your Mom Made Me Pancakes wrote:

10 Songs? Thats a dynamic list- always changing, but here goes:

1 Black (always #1. love the sad ones.)
2 Immortality
3 The End (so sad it hurts to listen to)
4 Present Tense
5 Evenflow (mike...)
6 Go
7 Rearview M
8 Unthought Known
9 Got Some
10 Indifference

Albums?
1 Vitalogy
2 Backspacer (for now)


How bout you?

Interesting ... you can tell a lot about a person by what PJ songs they like ....

Albums
Vitalogy
Yield

songs (order is random)
WMA
GO
Last Exit
Sometimes
Once
Hail Hail
Small town
Glorified G
light years
I got shit
..
..green disease
..tremor christ
..Corduroy...

etc

etc

etc

etc

etc

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

cool. good talkin w/ ya. good luck.

peace.

ed243421

Pats54 wrote:

Recently large demonstrations have taken place
Across the country protesting the fact that Arizona
Is addressing the issue of illegal immigration.

Certain people are angry that
The US might protect its own
Borders, might make it harder
To sneak into this country and,
Once here, to stay indefinitely.
Let me see if I correctly understand
The thinking behind these protests.
Let's say I break into your house.
Let's say that when you discover
Me in your house, you insist that I leave.
But I say, 'No! I like it here.
It's better than my house. I've made all
The beds and washed the
Dishes and did the laundry
And swept the floors. I've
Done all the things you don't
Like to do. I'm hard-working
And honest
(except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters:
You are Required to let me stay in your house
You are Required to feed me
You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan
You are Required to Educate my kids
You are Required to Provide other benefits to me & to my family
(my husband will do all of your yard work because
He is also hard-working and honest, except for that
Breaking in part).


If you try to call the police or force me out,
I will call my friends who will picket your
House carrying signs that proclaim my
RIGHT to be there.


It's only fair, after all, because you have
A nicer house than I do, and I'm just
Trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working
And honest, person, except for well,
You know, I did break into your house
And what a deal it is for me!!!


I live in your house, contributing only a
Fraction of the cost of my keep, and
There is nothing you can do about it
Without being accused of cold,

Uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and
Bigoted behavior.


Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you learn
MY LANGUAGE!!! So you can
Communicate with me.


Why can't people see how ridiculous
This is? Only in America .
If you agree, pass it on ( in English )..
Share it if you see the value of it.

If not blow it off.........
Along with your future Social Security
Funds, and a lot of other things.

you gotta be kiddin, right

1 question

have you ever broken a law?

if so, and you truly believe this, then you are a hypocrite.

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

Oh. Ok, ED.

Since we have all broken a law before, let's just let anyone that wants to come in and live for free.

Who are WE to want to protect our borders and economy? We're all law breakers, so let's just shut the F up.

You are a GENIUS, ed.


Holy Crap.

ed243421

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes wrote:

Oh. Ok, ED.

Since we have all broken a law before, let's just let anyone that wants to come in and live for free.

Who are WE to want to protect our borders and economy? We're all law breakers, so let's just shut the F up.

You are a GENIUS, ed.


Holy Crap.

read what i said
i never said i want anyone to come in and live for free, right?
but who has been letting them in illegally for the last 100+ years, giving them the handouts ?
not me
who?
why?
and though you may not want to hear it
you are a hypocrite if you condemn someone for breaking a law if you yourself break laws
and while that makes most people in america hypocrites
i try not to think that way

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

whatever that means.

cincybearcat

ed243421 wrote:

you are a hypocrite if you condemn someone for breaking a law if you yourself break laws
and while that makes most people in america hypocrites
i try not to think that way

So if all laws are equal, we should execute people for speeding. Or should we give a $100 fine for murder?

ed243421

cincybearcat wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

you are a hypocrite if you condemn someone for breaking a law if you yourself break laws
and while that makes most people in america hypocrites
i try not to think that way

So if all laws are equal, we should execute people for speeding. Or should we give a $100 fine for murder?

never said all laws are equal
why do people put words into others mouths?
execute for speeding?
i'd love to hear how you got there
i just said if you think that way you are a hypocrite
obviously, you think that way and do not want to call yourself one
so don't
i will

matabele

I first started coming to the UK in 1987 and have returned frequently so have had an opportunity to watch the place change with fresh eyes. There has been a huge influx of immigrants over the last 10-15 years and as it is a small island the change in population is very noticeable. There was the inevitable complaining from the born and bred Brits about the rise in immigrants, I myself thought it a bad thing for some time. What I have noticed lately is that it all seems to be settling down and becoming normal, it is almost like a new country is being born. It will all work out in the end, you'll see.

cincybearcat

ed243421 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

you are a hypocrite if you condemn someone for breaking a law if you yourself break laws
and while that makes most people in america hypocrites
i try not to think that way

So if all laws are equal, we should execute people for speeding. Or should we give a $100 fine for murder?

never said all laws are equal
why do people put words into others mouths?
execute for speeding?
i'd love to hear how you got there
i just said if you think that way you are a hypocrite
obviously, you think that way and do not want to call yourself one
so don't
i will

Talk about
putting words
in someones mouth
I just
asked
you a question
because it seemed like
you were saying that
all laws are equal
and that everyone is just as guilty
I guess I just
don't really understand
what your saying
I'm sure that's my fault
and not yours
despite your annoying post style

unsung

Hahaha

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unsung wrote:

Hahaha

I wait and wait for the day that you will actually have something good to say- Something original, something that actually has thought put into it, something that makes sense, something that will help bring about solutions......

but nothing......

unsung

Well I was just thinking about how I could bring a solution, and it dawned on me. So I donated.

http://www.keepazsafe.com/

arq

Well maybe people should keep their money and send her prayers only, that's her secret weapon,

"... I am humbled by the prayers and support...

Janice K. Brewer, Governor

Leviticus 19:33-34

“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Don't blame me i'm an atheist

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unsung wrote:

Well I was just thinking about how I could bring a solution, and it dawned on me. So I donated.

http://www.keepazsafe.com/

Solution? How exactly is your donation helping bring about a solution?

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arq wrote:

Well maybe people should keep their money and send her prayers only, that's her secret weapon,

"... I am humbled by the prayers and support...

Janice K. Brewer, Governor

Leviticus 19:33-34

“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Don't blame me i'm an atheist

Conservatives (heavy to the right) have their own God. Most of them are Fake Christians who use God as a way of promoting their causes....they use God as a tool..... at least in regards to politics.....or promoting an agenda ....

I do believe in Jesus Christ... .... .. and I know what his message is......



WHAT A JOKE!!! (unsung)