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  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    TONFIG says, "What is Social Security?"

    Black, Red, Yellow says, "Bush! Bush sucked too!"

    zzzzzzzzzzzz.............yawn..............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


    I never asked what SS was... can you quote me? Can we stay on the subject...
    thanks...
  • TONFIG said: "SS funds? What does that mean? "

    At the least, you don't understand how your SS fund will be broke- like all the states dealing w/ a border crisis, and how illegal immigration can affect that.

    Maybe you should START watching FOX, and then you wouldn't be asking conservatives to explain things to you all the time.

    I, very respectfully (b/c I'd hate for you to have to wake Kat), find your questions to be moronic.

    Note to Kat: I love everyone, blah blah blah.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    tonifig8 wrote:
    TONFIG says, "What is Social Security?"

    Black, Red, Yellow says, "Bush! Bush sucked too!"

    zzzzzzzzzzzz.............yawn..............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


    I never asked what SS was... can you quote me? Can we stay on the subject...
    thanks...

    and i never said "Bush sucked too"

    it's humorous to "debate" this guy's mom, because he ignores legitimate point, and either pulls out of context or just makes up points to argue against.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    tonifig8 wrote:
    Pats54 wrote:
    Pat54-

    Do you have plans in November?

    Got my vote.

    I could never be PC enough to run for anything, plus I bring too much common sense to the table. This fn niny nanny stated everyone wants pisses me off.


    Common Sense? Where what exactly are you saying? that illegal immigrants come to this land and ask for things?? The federal government doesn't hand anything out to illegal immigrants.... You must be a legal citizen to receive any type of aid from the USA.

    What solutions do you bring to the table?

    The state i live in the pols were going to give illegals free in state college tuition. Makes a ton of sense. An illegal shows up in an emergency room in this country do they get services or Aid? Of course they do. I have no issue with people coming here legally and going through the proper channels to do so. This let anybody in mentality is nonsense. Once a kid is born here they are given full US aid regardless if the parent is legal or not because they are now a US citizen. That law makes a ton of sense. :roll:

    We need a system in place that includes a guest worker program to meet our labor needs. With a system that is able to track these workers as they exit and leave country. Letting anyone in and out of the country is a huge national security issue. The Feds need to step up on this it should not be left to the states. States are reacting now b/c the feds have done and continue to do nothing (W as well as Barry)
  • BlackRedY said: "Funny there wasn't such an outrage when the last guy did that... But there was outrage over the guy before the guy before Obama, but not the 2 guys before that... A funny pattern."

    I stand corrected. You didn't say he sucked- yet. You were just starting the typical Bush-whine: the last bastion for liberals who have run out of talking points.

    Don't feel bad, Dem "leaders" do it everyday.
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    TONFIG said: "SS funds? What does that mean? "

    At the least, you don't understand how your SS fund will be broke- like all the states dealing w/ a border crisis, and how illegal immigration can affect that.

    Maybe you should START watching FOX, and then you wouldn't be asking conservatives to explain things to you all the time.

    I, very respectfully (b/c I'd hate for you to have to wake Kat), find your questions to be moronic.

    Note to Kat: I love everyone, blah blah blah.


    The truth is that I watch Foxnews on a daily bases. I also listen to John and Ken on a daily bases (conservative radio) -
    The states dealing with a boarder crises, like AZ are only digging themselves in a bigger hole. They cannot afford to make all of these arrest because they cannot house all of these illegal immigrants... One of the sheriffs from AZ said it himself... I sow him on FOX stating that his city cannot afford it, and why would they now start paying for these cost when they already arrest illegal immigrants and turn them over to the feds.

    Why don't you quote what I said about SS.
  • Turn them over to the Feds? a joke.


    here's your quote. AGAIN.
    TONFIG said: "SS funds? What does that mean? "

    If you like Conservative radio, check out Mark Levin.

    (but sshhhh... he's Jewish. I'd hate to wake up the anti-semites here.)
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    Pats54 wrote:
    The state i live in the pols were going to give illegals free in state college tuition. Makes a ton of sense. An illegal shows up in an emergency room in this country do they get services or Aid? Of course they do. I have no issue with people coming here legally and going through the proper channels to do so. This let anybody in mentality is nonsense. Once a kid is born here they are given full US aid regardless if the parent is legal or not because they are now a US citizen. That law makes a ton of sense. :roll:

    We need a system in place that includes a guest worker program to meet our labor needs. With a system that is able to track these workers as they exit and leave country. Letting anyone in and out of the country is a huge national security issue. The Feds need to step up on this it should not be left to the states. States are reacting now b/c the feds have done and continue to do nothing (W as well as Barry)

    Free state college tuition? Where sign me up.... show me where someone can receive free tuition -
    Emergency Aid is provided to anyone regardless of legal status. Hospitals are designed to preserve life. If you went to a Hospital in Mexico would you want them to try and save your life or to check your papers?

    If a kid is born here then he is a legal citizen - he is entitled to all of the benefits of this country- Do some of these same kids die in war defending the interest of this country? Is that fare?
    Obama has deported more illegal immigrants then Bush's last year.... How is that not an improvement?

    What's wrong with amnesty? Deport all the serious criminals, a fine of 10k, learn the language, 200hrs of community service, and start paying taxes!

    Use the money from the fine to secure the boarder.... It's a more common sense approach ..... Or should they just round up brown people and put them on buses?
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    Turn them over to the Feds? a joke.


    here's your quote. AGAIN.
    TONFIG said: "SS funds? What does that mean? "

    If you like Conservative radio, check out Mark Levin.

    (but sshhhh... he's Jewish. I'd hate to wake up the anti-semites here.)


    That guy is a complete nut job!! Are you serious? I listen to him about 2 times a week.... He is a joke... Always leaves out a lot of key factors.... Why don't you try watching a liberal show for a week and I'll listen to Levin for a week....
    Actually I listen and watch more conservative networks then I do liberal networks...

    Don't take my quote out of context.... post it completely, don't act a fool.
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    Turn them over to the Feds? a joke.


    here's your quote. AGAIN.
    TONFIG said: "SS funds? What does that mean? "

    If you like Conservative radio, check out Mark Levin.

    (but sshhhh... he's Jewish. I'd hate to wake up the anti-semites here.)


    Pancakes,
    may i ask...
    what are your top 10 favorite PJ songs?
    what are your top 2 PJ albums?

    Just curious ... be honest... thanks
  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    tonifig8 wrote:
    Pats54 wrote:
    The state i live in the pols were going to give illegals free in state college tuition. Makes a ton of sense. An illegal shows up in an emergency room in this country do they get services or Aid? Of course they do. I have no issue with people coming here legally and going through the proper channels to do so. This let anybody in mentality is nonsense. Once a kid is born here they are given full US aid regardless if the parent is legal or not because they are now a US citizen. That law makes a ton of sense. :roll:

    We need a system in place that includes a guest worker program to meet our labor needs. With a system that is able to track these workers as they exit and leave country. Letting anyone in and out of the country is a huge national security issue. The Feds need to step up on this it should not be left to the states. States are reacting now b/c the feds have done and continue to do nothing (W as well as Barry)

    Free state college tuition? Where sign me up.... show me where someone can receive free tuition -
    Emergency Aid is provided to anyone regardless of legal status. Hospitals are designed to preserve life. If you went to a Hospital in Mexico would you want them to try and save your life or to check your papers?

    If a kid is born here then he is a legal citizen - he is entitled to all of the benefits of this country- Do some of these same kids die in war defending the interest of this country? Is that fare?
    Obama has deported more illegal immigrants then Bush's last year.... How is that not an improvement?

    What's wrong with amnesty? Deport all the serious criminals, a fine of 10k, learn the language, 200hrs of community service, and start paying taxes!

    Use the money from the fine to secure the boarder.... It's a more common sense approach ..... Or should they just round up brown people and put them on buses?


    When your parents are illegal and you are coming here to have a couple kids so they can become US citizens then that is wrong. Not defending W record on immigration or Barry's for that matter. The fed govt has been a joke with this issue basically punting
  • ok, ok TONFIG. I yield.

    Ive tried to watch MSNBC, but they make CNN look conservative! Let's just watch who we want.

    To your suggestion on immigration. I see that you are from Cali. I too hail from SoCal- Lancaster/Palmdale, although work has brought me to the Bible Belt since '95. I know, I'm old.

    You live w/ this issue daily, more than most who post here. It's hard for someone in Vermont or somewhere, to understand the severity of the border state's immigration problems.

    You said give citizenship thru a process, 200hrs, 10k fine, and all that. (We're geting close to an agreement here- I can feel it.) Well as a conservative, I'm with you on one thing and it might suprise you. I would be all for granting US citizenship to ALL 12,000,000+ illegals at once- and with or w/out the fine and 200hrs, etc. I don't even care if they speak English (we've figured it out so far.)

    All I, and I think most conservatives, want is to secure the border FIRST.

    Build a wall, then give amnesty. Without border security, there can be no legalization.

    Seriously. It's a compromise that I can live with. How bout you?
  • 10 Songs? Thats a dynamic list- always changing, but here goes:

    1 Black (always #1. love the sad ones.)
    2 Immortality
    3 The End (so sad it hurts to listen to)
    4 Present Tense
    5 Evenflow (mike...)
    6 Go
    7 Rearview M
    8 Unthought Known
    9 Got Some
    10 Indifference

    Albums?
    1 Vitalogy
    2 Backspacer (for now)


    How bout you?
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    edited June 2010
    ok, ok TONFIG. I yield.

    Ive tried to watch MSNBC, but they make CNN look conservative! Let's just watch who we want.

    To your suggestion on immigration. I see that you are from Cali. I too hail from SoCal- Lancaster/Palmdale, although work has brought me to the Bible Belt since '95. I know, I'm old.

    You live w/ this issue daily, more than most who post here. It's hard for someone in Vermont or somewhere, to understand the severity of the border state's immigration problems.

    You said give citizenship thru a process, 200hrs, 10k fine, and all that. (We're geting close to an agreement here- I can feel it.) Well as a conservative, I'm with you on one thing and it might suprise you. I would be all for granting US citizenship to ALL 12,000,000+ illegals at once- and with or w/out the fine and 200hrs, etc. I don't even care if they speak English (we've figured it out so far.)

    All I, and I think most conservatives, want is to secure the border FIRST.

    Build a wall, then give amnesty. Without border security, there can be no legalization.

    Seriously. It's a compromise that I can live with. How bout you?


    Wow... .
    Boarder security= #1 - totally agree
    I prefer the fine, the community service, and deporting of serious criminals.
    My parents were illegal immigrants ....and Reagan really gave them an opportunity. They have never asked anything of the GOV. and they have always worked and paid their taxes... of course not everyone is like that, but many are and many would give their children for this country...
    My fiance', who also comes from illegal immigrant parents (who by the way are all US citizens now) Use to be a school psychologist in the Palm dale area... maybe you know her (if you're involved w/ the school dist) .

    If i could suggest someone from MSNBC it would be Rachel Maddow - Other then that I agree most are extreme left....We'll Keith is definitely a smart guy and fun to watch....he provides some good laughs...no doubt...

    I can't believe you listen to Levin.... wow... He seems evil sometimes.... but I really do listen to him about 2 or 3 times a week... I usually listen to John and Ken.... they get my blood boiling .... I love it!
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  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    10 Songs? Thats a dynamic list- always changing, but here goes:

    1 Black (always #1. love the sad ones.)
    2 Immortality
    3 The End (so sad it hurts to listen to)
    4 Present Tense
    5 Evenflow (mike...)
    6 Go
    7 Rearview M
    8 Unthought Known
    9 Got Some
    10 Indifference

    Albums?
    1 Vitalogy
    2 Backspacer (for now)


    How bout you?


    Interesting ... you can tell a lot about a person by what PJ songs they like .... ;)

    Albums
    Vitalogy
    Yield

    songs (order is random)
    WMA
    GO
    Last Exit
    Sometimes
    Once
    Hail Hail
    Small town
    Glorified G
    light years
    I got shit
    ..
    ..green disease
    ..tremor christ
    ..Corduroy...

    etc

    etc

    etc

    etc

    etc
  • cool. good talkin w/ ya. good luck.

    peace.
  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,673
    Pats54 wrote:
    Recently large demonstrations have taken place
    Across the country protesting the fact that Arizona
    Is addressing the issue of illegal immigration.

    Certain people are angry that
    The US might protect its own
    Borders, might make it harder
    To sneak into this country and,
    Once here, to stay indefinitely.
    Let me see if I correctly understand
    The thinking behind these protests.
    Let's say I break into your house.
    Let's say that when you discover
    Me in your house, you insist that I leave.
    But I say, 'No! I like it here.
    It's better than my house. I've made all
    The beds and washed the
    Dishes and did the laundry
    And swept the floors. I've
    Done all the things you don't
    Like to do. I'm hard-working
    And honest
    (except for when I broke into your house).

    According to the protesters:
    You are Required to let me stay in your house
    You are Required to feed me
    You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan
    You are Required to Educate my kids
    You are Required to Provide other benefits to me & to my family
    (my husband will do all of your yard work because
    He is also hard-working and honest, except for that
    Breaking in part).


    If you try to call the police or force me out,
    I will call my friends who will picket your
    House carrying signs that proclaim my
    RIGHT to be there.


    It's only fair, after all, because you have
    A nicer house than I do, and I'm just
    Trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working
    And honest, person, except for well,
    You know, I did break into your house
    And what a deal it is for me!!!


    I live in your house, contributing only a
    Fraction of the cost of my keep, and
    There is nothing you can do about it
    Without being accused of cold,

    Uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and
    Bigoted behavior.


    Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you learn
    MY LANGUAGE!!! So you can
    Communicate with me.


    Why can't people see how ridiculous
    This is? Only in America .
    If you agree, pass it on ( in English )..
    Share it if you see the value of it.

    If not blow it off.........
    Along with your future Social Security
    Funds, and a lot of other things.

    you gotta be kiddin, right

    1 question

    have you ever broken a law?

    if so, and you truly believe this, then you are a hypocrite.
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • Oh. Ok, ED.

    Since we have all broken a law before, let's just let anyone that wants to come in and live for free.

    Who are WE to want to protect our borders and economy? We're all law breakers, so let's just shut the F up.

    You are a GENIUS, ed.


    Holy Crap.
  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,673
    Oh. Ok, ED.

    Since we have all broken a law before, let's just let anyone that wants to come in and live for free.

    Who are WE to want to protect our borders and economy? We're all law breakers, so let's just shut the F up.

    You are a GENIUS, ed.


    Holy Crap.

    read what i said
    i never said i want anyone to come in and live for free, right?
    but who has been letting them in illegally for the last 100+ years, giving them the handouts ?
    not me
    who?
    why?
    and though you may not want to hear it
    you are a hypocrite if you condemn someone for breaking a law if you yourself break laws
    and while that makes most people in america hypocrites
    i try not to think that way
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • whatever that means.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    ed243421 wrote:

    you are a hypocrite if you condemn someone for breaking a law if you yourself break laws
    and while that makes most people in america hypocrites
    i try not to think that way

    So if all laws are equal, we should execute people for speeding. Or should we give a $100 fine for murder?
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,673
    ed243421 wrote:

    you are a hypocrite if you condemn someone for breaking a law if you yourself break laws
    and while that makes most people in america hypocrites
    i try not to think that way

    So if all laws are equal, we should execute people for speeding. Or should we give a $100 fine for murder?

    never said all laws are equal
    why do people put words into others mouths?
    execute for speeding?
    i'd love to hear how you got there
    i just said if you think that way you are a hypocrite
    obviously, you think that way and do not want to call yourself one
    so don't
    i will
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • matabelematabele Posts: 277
    I first started coming to the UK in 1987 and have returned frequently so have had an opportunity to watch the place change with fresh eyes. There has been a huge influx of immigrants over the last 10-15 years and as it is a small island the change in population is very noticeable. There was the inevitable complaining from the born and bred Brits about the rise in immigrants, I myself thought it a bad thing for some time. What I have noticed lately is that it all seems to be settling down and becoming normal, it is almost like a new country is being born. It will all work out in the end, you'll see.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    ed243421 wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:

    you are a hypocrite if you condemn someone for breaking a law if you yourself break laws
    and while that makes most people in america hypocrites
    i try not to think that way

    So if all laws are equal, we should execute people for speeding. Or should we give a $100 fine for murder?

    never said all laws are equal
    why do people put words into others mouths?
    execute for speeding?
    i'd love to hear how you got there
    i just said if you think that way you are a hypocrite
    obviously, you think that way and do not want to call yourself one
    so don't
    i will

    Talk about
    putting words
    in someones mouth
    I just
    asked
    you a question
    because it seemed like
    you were saying that
    all laws are equal
    and that everyone is just as guilty
    I guess I just
    don't really understand
    what your saying
    I'm sure that's my fault
    and not yours
    despite your annoying post style ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Hahaha
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    unsung wrote:
    Hahaha


    I wait and wait for the day that you will actually have something good to say- Something original, something that actually has thought put into it, something that makes sense, something that will help bring about solutions......

    but nothing...... :cry:
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Well I was just thinking about how I could bring a solution, and it dawned on me. So I donated.

    http://www.keepazsafe.com/
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    Well maybe people should keep their money and send her prayers only, that's her secret weapon,
    "... I am humbled by the prayers and support...

    Janice K. Brewer, Governor
    Leviticus 19:33-34

    “When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

    Don't blame me i'm an atheist ;)
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    unsung wrote:
    Well I was just thinking about how I could bring a solution, and it dawned on me. So I donated.

    http://www.keepazsafe.com/


    Solution? How exactly is your donation helping bring about a solution?
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    arq wrote:
    Well maybe people should keep their money and send her prayers only, that's her secret weapon,
    "... I am humbled by the prayers and support...

    Janice K. Brewer, Governor
    Leviticus 19:33-34

    “When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

    Don't blame me i'm an atheist ;)


    Conservatives (heavy to the right) have their own God. Most of them are Fake Christians who use God as a way of promoting their causes....they use God as a tool..... at least in regards to politics.....or promoting an agenda ....

    I do believe in Jesus Christ... .... .. and I know what his message is......



    WHAT A JOKE!!! (unsung)
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