Any company ripping natural resources from this planet (whatever these resources are: oil, minerals, etc) are destroying the earth.
So in essence, you, me and everyone else here continues to be a contributor to this destruction. Am I right?
In essence, you are right! But that's the way man has lived and evolved - more of a philosophical discussion!
Then I would say that the only way to avoid this destruction is to go back to the stone age. Don't use anything produced with plastic, discard all jewelery, get off the grid and generate your own solar or wind electricity (something I'm working on), don't use city water or sewage, grow and harvest your own food (I actually sincerely agree with this one), start traveling all over the world by foot, bicycle, or paddleboat, the list goes on and on. Doing anything other than what is listed, will involve the use of natural resources that some company is going to be responsible for providing, which therefore contributes to the destruction of the earth.
So in essence, you, me and everyone else here continues to be a contributor to this destruction. Am I right?
In essence, you are right! But that's the way man has lived and evolved - more of a philosophical discussion!
Then I would say that the only way to avoid this destruction is to go back to the stone age
Not exactly. As I said, it's the way we evolved. What we can do is try to minimize the damage we do. Use resources wisely, invest in less damaging ones. No need to mine ore until there is nothing left. No need to drain an oil reserve completely, then try to find the next one. Well.... the need is greed. It would seem that there is a wealth of minerals in Afghanistan that 'we' didn't know about. Did we miss it? No. Now that it's a possibility, big corporations are going to race to get there first and 'pillage', all of a sudden 'we' will need it.
I don't quite understand why the head guy at BP is getting so much heat either. He was just making a buck drilling oil, just like the rest of them are doing. All the companies that are drilling out there are doing it exactly the same way. They have just been lucky.
I do see BP going bankrupt and reforming under another name to avoid paying...then there's a reason to be pissed. But, it is our government who allowed these comapnies to drill without a shut off valve or anything to stop the oil should an accident like this happen. It is our conspumption that makes us need the stuff anyway.
We love to go to other countries and ruin their environment for oil...just don't ruin ours!!
We really need to look at wind power.
I am mad at Exxon, because they make such huge profits and are not ashamed to say they will not use any of it to look at other forms of energy, such as wind power.
If we boycott BP, it gives them even a more solid ground to go bankrupt and reform.
When anything bad happens we all want to place blame somewhere. Well, we can look at ourselves for this one.
I would had hoped we learned from that Exxon-Valdex accident, but we didn't. I certainly hope this one does force the other wells that are out there to become safe. I don't know how they are going to do it, but NOW they need to use their profits and make them safe.
This is real bad...worse than we realize, yet. It will take decades to fix, and even then, some things will be permanently damaged. In Alaska, the result of the Valdez accident is still an issue and oil is still being found on beaches, and the environment is still being damaged. Its been 21 years and they say it may be decades longer before all the effects are gone. Some species are forever gone. Many people never again were able to resume their livlihood.
I don't quite understand why the head guy at BP is getting so much heat either. He was just making a buck drilling oil, just like the rest of them are doing. All the companies that are drilling out there are doing it exactly the same way. They have just been lucky.
I do see BP going bankrupt and reforming under another name to avoid paying...then there's a reason to be pissed. But, it is our government who allowed these comapnies to drill without a shut off valve or anything to stop the oil should an accident like this happen. It is our conspumption that makes us need the stuff anyway.
We love to go to other countries and ruin their environment for oil...just don't ruin ours!!
We really need to look at wind power.
I am mad at Exxon, because they make such huge profits and are not ashamed to say they will not use any of it to look at other forms of energy, such as wind power.
If we boycott BP, it gives them even a more solid ground to go bankrupt and reform.
When anything bad happens we all want to place blame somewhere. Well, we can look at ourselves for this one.
I would had hoped we learned from that Exxon-Valdex accident, but we didn't. I certainly hope this one does force the other wells that are out there to become safe. I don't know how they are going to do it, but NOW they need to use their profits and make them safe.
This is real bad...worse than we realize, yet. It will take decades to fix, and even then, some things will be permanently damaged. In Alaska, the result of the Valdez accident is still an issue and oil is still being found on beaches, and the environment is still being damaged. Its been 21 years and they say it may be decades longer before all the effects are gone. Some species are forever gone. Many people never again were able to resume their livlihood.
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I don't quite understand why the head guy at BP is getting so much heat either. He was just making a buck drilling oil, just like the rest of them are doing. All the companies that are drilling out there are doing it exactly the same way. They have just been lucky.
I do see BP going bankrupt and reforming under another name to avoid paying...then there's a reason to be pissed. But, it is our government who allowed these comapnies to drill without a shut off valve or anything to stop the oil should an accident like this happen. It is our conspumption that makes us need the stuff anyway.
We love to go to other countries and ruin their environment for oil...just don't ruin ours!!
We really need to look at wind power.
I am mad at Exxon, because they make such huge profits and are not ashamed to say they will not use any of it to look at other forms of energy, such as wind power.
If we boycott BP, it gives them even a more solid ground to go bankrupt and reform.
When anything bad happens we all want to place blame somewhere. Well, we can look at ourselves for this one.
I would had hoped we learned from that Exxon-Valdex accident, but we didn't. I certainly hope this one does force the other wells that are out there to become safe. I don't know how they are going to do it, but NOW they need to use their profits and make them safe.
This is real bad...worse than we realize, yet. It will take decades to fix, and even then, some things will be permanently damaged. In Alaska, the result of the Valdez accident is still an issue and oil is still being found on beaches, and the environment is still being damaged. Its been 21 years and they say it may be decades longer before all the effects are gone. Some species are forever gone. Many people never again were able to resume their livlihood.
He is getting so much heat because of dumb comments like calling the gulf residents " the little people", also this was totally avoidable because of neglected maintenance, cost cutting so the bonus gets bigger and extremely poor response time.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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Yeah, I read this this morning. This news, bad as it is, didn't surprise me. The bottom line is, we're still burning fuel, all of us. These computers we're using are burning fuel. The solution isn't to blame BP (or Shell or Chevron or...). The solutions are:
Use less stuff, reuse more.
Use less energy.
Recycle everything you can.
Plant trees.
Ride a bike.
Work closer to home or visa versa.
Procreate at reasonable levels.
If you drive, do everything you can to increase your MPG.
And have a good time, stop bickering over petty details and instead, love somebody. Bad vibes also pollute.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
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In essence, you are right! But that's the way man has lived and evolved - more of a philosophical discussion!
Then I would say that the only way to avoid this destruction is to go back to the stone age. Don't use anything produced with plastic, discard all jewelery, get off the grid and generate your own solar or wind electricity (something I'm working on), don't use city water or sewage, grow and harvest your own food (I actually sincerely agree with this one), start traveling all over the world by foot, bicycle, or paddleboat, the list goes on and on. Doing anything other than what is listed, will involve the use of natural resources that some company is going to be responsible for providing, which therefore contributes to the destruction of the earth.
Not exactly. As I said, it's the way we evolved. What we can do is try to minimize the damage we do. Use resources wisely, invest in less damaging ones. No need to mine ore until there is nothing left. No need to drain an oil reserve completely, then try to find the next one. Well.... the need is greed. It would seem that there is a wealth of minerals in Afghanistan that 'we' didn't know about. Did we miss it? No. Now that it's a possibility, big corporations are going to race to get there first and 'pillage', all of a sudden 'we' will need it.
I do see BP going bankrupt and reforming under another name to avoid paying...then there's a reason to be pissed. But, it is our government who allowed these comapnies to drill without a shut off valve or anything to stop the oil should an accident like this happen. It is our conspumption that makes us need the stuff anyway.
We love to go to other countries and ruin their environment for oil...just don't ruin ours!!
We really need to look at wind power.
I am mad at Exxon, because they make such huge profits and are not ashamed to say they will not use any of it to look at other forms of energy, such as wind power.
If we boycott BP, it gives them even a more solid ground to go bankrupt and reform.
When anything bad happens we all want to place blame somewhere. Well, we can look at ourselves for this one.
I would had hoped we learned from that Exxon-Valdex accident, but we didn't. I certainly hope this one does force the other wells that are out there to become safe. I don't know how they are going to do it, but NOW they need to use their profits and make them safe.
This is real bad...worse than we realize, yet. It will take decades to fix, and even then, some things will be permanently damaged. In Alaska, the result of the Valdez accident is still an issue and oil is still being found on beaches, and the environment is still being damaged. Its been 21 years and they say it may be decades longer before all the effects are gone. Some species are forever gone. Many people never again were able to resume their livlihood.
http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=134769&start=75#p3055380
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
He is getting so much heat because of dumb comments like calling the gulf residents " the little people", also this was totally avoidable because of neglected maintenance, cost cutting so the bonus gets bigger and extremely poor response time.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Yeah, I read this this morning. This news, bad as it is, didn't surprise me. The bottom line is, we're still burning fuel, all of us. These computers we're using are burning fuel. The solution isn't to blame BP (or Shell or Chevron or...). The solutions are:
Use less stuff, reuse more.
Use less energy.
Recycle everything you can.
Plant trees.
Ride a bike.
Work closer to home or visa versa.
Procreate at reasonable levels.
If you drive, do everything you can to increase your MPG.
And have a good time, stop bickering over petty details and instead, love somebody. Bad vibes also pollute.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"