Outrage against BP is ridiculous.

puremagic

Just because there is a demand for a product (oil) doesn’t mean the users expect oil companies to break the rules, find loopholes to bypass the laws or bribe State, local, and Federal officials to look the other way. I deliberately left out our politicians because they are the worst of the whores in this whole, protect the corporate machine. Just like you, they feel the uneducated public is being too hard on BP, when the real bad guy in this disaster is ‘the greedy public” with its demand for cheap gas prices.

No one is saying WTF as BP and its public affairs office and its political cronies have started threatening the American public with $10 at the gas pumps if off shore drilling doesn’t resume shortly.

BP is at fault because ‘they knew’ the potential of such a disaster and took the ‘gamble’ that it wouldn’t happen, especially, off the U.S. coastal waters. You’re well come to spread the blame wherever you wish, but the fault of this disaster lies squarely at the feet of BP. The public didn’t set in motion the events that killed 11 people, BP did this.

chadwick

MrSmith wrote:

the future is... unclear on this. the force is clouded.

i'm not sure what will come of this.

i can promise you something.
it'll be huge & for a longtime.
do you all realize how bad we fucked up?
we're in deep shit.
that i can promise you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMeVgJA4Ey0 michio kaku
@ 2:20 michio comes on.

blenderman69

2010 Watch It Go To Fire wrote:

Dude, first off, learn to write in a more coherent fashion. Half of what you wrote is unreadable. Second, there should be outrage, not only at people and there consumption of oil, but at BP and the other companies involved, the government agency that turned a blind eye and allowed this to happen, and the government itself for its inaction. BP, Haliburton and the other companies involved should pay for the clean up and containment, The US government needs to come up with a solution and fix this problem. People should consume less oil (I do my part by taking a regional rail to work everyday). Your arguments are weak and don't do anything constructive. Try reading a book on how to form a coherent argument you moron.

companies and governments are abstract constructs. The gulf of Mexico however is a major part of the eco system ! Its time to stop blaming and start fixing!

blenderman69

As for consumption , well I guess we could all just stay home and watch Pearl Jam on T.V. i MEAN FOLLOWING SOME BAND AROUND NOW THATS UNNECESARY CONSUMPTION

FiveB247x

I don't necessarily agree with your premise. Yes BP should have accountability and are responsible, but at the same time, it's impractical and unrealistic to have expectations of companies, government or whomever which will never fulfill them. That is merely asking for blood from a stone.

puremagic wrote:

Just because there is a demand for a product (oil) doesn’t mean the users expect oil companies to break the rules, find loopholes to bypass the laws or bribe State, local, and Federal officials to look the other way. I deliberately left out our politicians because they are the worst of the whores in this whole, protect the corporate machine. Just like you, they feel the uneducated public is being too hard on BP, when the real bad guy in this disaster is ‘the greedy public” with its demand for cheap gas prices.

No one is saying WTF as BP and its public affairs office and its political cronies have started threatening the American public with $10 at the gas pumps if off shore drilling doesn’t resume shortly.

BP is at fault because ‘they knew’ the potential of such a disaster and took the ‘gamble’ that it wouldn’t happen, especially, off the U.S. coastal waters. You’re well come to spread the blame wherever you wish, but the fault of this disaster lies squarely at the feet of BP. The public didn’t set in motion the events that killed 11 people, BP did this.

puremagic

FiveB247x wrote:

I don't necessarily agree with your premise. Yes BP should have accountability and are responsible, but at the same time, it's impractical and unrealistic to have expectations of companies, government or whomever which will never fulfill them. That is merely asking for blood from a stone.

puremagic wrote:

Just because there is a demand for a product (oil) doesn’t mean the users expect oil companies to break the rules, find loopholes to bypass the laws or bribe State, local, and Federal officials to look the other way. I deliberately left out our politicians because they are the worst of the whores in this whole, protect the corporate machine. Just like you, they feel the uneducated public is being too hard on BP, when the real bad guy in this disaster is ‘the greedy public” with its demand for cheap gas prices.

No one is saying WTF as BP and its public affairs office and its political cronies have started threatening the American public with $10 at the gas pumps if off shore drilling doesn’t resume shortly.

BP is at fault because ‘they knew’ the potential of such a disaster and took the ‘gamble’ that it wouldn’t happen, especially, off the U.S. coastal waters. You’re well come to spread the blame wherever you wish, but the fault of this disaster lies squarely at the feet of BP. The public didn’t set in motion the events that killed 11 people, BP did this.

BP is in the business of ‘extracting oil’ and in BP’s eyes by accomplishing this – it has fulfilled its corporate expectation. BP would not be in the oil business or have been as successful at ‘extracting oil’ if it were impractical, unrealistic, or more importantly unprofitable. Even as we discuss this, BP makes money on every barrel of oil they collect in those tankers, again, proving that ‘extracting oil’ is neither impractical nor unrealistic.

I find your logic skewed because BP is under pressure for its procedures – procedures that BP never had in place – procedures that BP never thought they would have to engage.

I find your logic skewed because the failure of expectation - was the failure of BP to ‘gamble’ that no major incident would ever happen and, thereby, not be prepared to handle such a disaster.

I find your logic skewed by the failure of expectation - whereas no other oil company has stepped forward with a viable solution to cap this oil well- which clearly demonstrates that the oil industry, as a whole, has been ‘gambling’ and remains unprepared to handle such a disaster.

I find your logic skewed based on its implication that corporate rights should outweigh the right of the public’s expectations. That’s not asking for blood from a stone, it’s asking the public to give up its right of free will and allow corporate entities to stand in judgement of the people as the victims of our own making for buying their products.

FiveB247x

The logic that is skewed is the fact that what BP deems as needed, worthy or mandatory does not coincide with the public's view (by law or expectation). As I said previously, don't look to a dog and expect to hear a meow. BP is irresponsible and wrong for "gambling", but the public is dim for even ever having expectations and believing BP is accountable or a responsible entity out there "doing the right thing". That's basically the crux of the discussion. We can live in the real world and view it in a practical, realistic manner (doesn't mean we like it or don't want to change it), or we can do what many in society are doing now, living in illusion of empty expectations and pretending what should be is either feasible or realistic even though no one actually does anything to maintain or ensure such a level of outcome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog

puremagic wrote:

BP is in the business of ‘extracting oil’ and in BP’s eyes by accomplishing this – it has fulfilled its corporate expectation. BP would not be in the oil business or have been as successful at ‘extracting oil’ if it were impractical, unrealistic, or more importantly unprofitable. Even as we discuss this, BP makes money on every barrel of oil they collect in those tankers, again, proving that ‘extracting oil’ is neither impractical nor unrealistic.

I find your logic skewed because BP is under pressure for its procedures – procedures that BP never had in place – procedures that BP never thought they would have to engage.

I find your logic skewed because the failure of expectation - was the failure of BP to ‘gamble’ that no major incident would ever happen and, thereby, not be prepared to handle such a disaster.

I find your logic skewed by the failure of expectation - whereas no other oil company has stepped forward with a viable solution to cap this oil well- which clearly demonstrates that the oil industry, as a whole, has been ‘gambling’ and remains unprepared to handle such a disaster.

I find your logic skewed based on its implication that corporate rights should outweigh the right of the public’s expectations. That’s not asking for blood from a stone, it’s asking the public to give up its right of free will and allow corporate entities to stand in judgement of the people as the victims of our own making for buying their products.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

FiveB247x wrote:

The logic that is skewed is the fact that what BP deems as needed, worthy or mandatory does not coincide with the public's view (by law or expectation). As I said previously, don't look to a dog and expect to hear a meow. BP is irresponsible and wrong for "gambling", but the public is dim for even ever having expectations and believing BP is accountable or a responsible entity out there "doing the right thing". That's basically the crux of the discussion. We can live in the real world and view it in a practical, realistic manner (doesn't mean we like it or don't want to change it), or we can do what many in society are doing now, living in illusion of empty expectations and pretending what should be is either feasible or realistic even though no one actually does anything to maintain or ensure such a level of outcome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog

I cannot for one minute understand the logic behind this premise. It seems cleverly disguised as "meh, let's do nothing, cause it won't do anything anyway". It all starts grassroots. Outrage begets action. Action begets progress. Progress begets a plausible solution.

Why is it so impractical of humans to expect the best out of business? We elect government to oversee such things, so things of this nature won't happen, or at least won't happen again. We might as well not have government if we go by your logic. Why elect anyone if we "know" they won't do anything moral? As a society is our duty to have expectations, and high ones. When they are not met, it is our job to make it known.

With your attitude, Rosa Parks would still be sitting at the back of the bus.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

2010 Watch It Go To Fire wrote:

Dude, first off, learn to write in a more coherent fashion. Half of what you wrote is unreadable. Second, there should be outrage, not only at people and there consumption of oil, but at BP and the other companies involved, the government agency that turned a blind eye and allowed this to happen, and the government itself for its inaction. BP, Haliburton and the other companies involved should pay for the clean up and containment, The US government needs to come up with a solution and fix this problem. People should consume less oil (I do my part by taking a regional rail to work everyday). Your arguments are weak and don't do anything constructive. Try reading a book on how to form a coherent argument you moron.

how constructive. by posting such nonsense you are making yourself look worse than any bad grammar or sentence structure possibly could.

And I actually found nothing unreadable about the OP. Maybe you need some glasses? :geek:

Drowned Out

FiveB247x wrote:

The logic that is skewed is the fact that what BP deems as needed, worthy or mandatory does not coincide with the public's view (by law or expectation). As I said previously, don't look to a dog and expect to hear a meow. BP is irresponsible and wrong for "gambling", but the public is dim for even ever having expectations and believing BP is accountable or a responsible entity out there "doing the right thing". That's basically the crux of the discussion. We can live in the real world and view it in a practical, realistic manner (doesn't mean we like it or don't want to change it), or we can do what many in society are doing now, living in illusion of empty expectations and pretending what should be is either feasible or realistic even though no one actually does anything to maintain or ensure such a level of outcome.

Is the underlined excerpt not exactly what you are doing with your "change your habits" idealism?
You're standing on your soapbox again, telling us that we're all 'ridiculous' for using oil while expressing outrage at BP. Us silly mortals.
I don't know if I'm understanding your premise correctly....reads like you're saying 'don't blame BP for this, they're just doing their jobs. Why would we have any expectations of them to do anything but turn a profit?....YOU are to blame for driving a car and not changing your habits'....am I reading that right?
Am I the only one who likens this to blaming a sex assault on the victim for being provocative? I mean...we're taking part in the immoral act of consuming oil....so we should just shut up and recognize our own role in the problem when something goes wrong.....???
It's unrealistic to expect alternative energy sources to be implemented over night....so, in the interim...what's the answer? "Change your habits" is an impractical response, and in practice, often impossible. Outrage has spurred the 'what's next' discussion, which is good...not ridiculous.

FiveB247x

Striving for change is great and I feel we should never aim for anything but constant improvement in all areas of life, but with that if you lose sight of reality and practical limitations, at some point you're merely selling yourself a pipe dream. And this is what our society has become. It is not bad to hope BP should use proper environmental practices and similar, but losing sight in the fact that they have little interest in doing so, negates such an idea. Without recognition of the nature, purpose, intent and action of things in life, you're not properly seeing them. BP didn't just decide to ignore regulations in hope it wouldn't come to this point, it was their intent and calculated risk not to care as it is not in their nature or purpose to care about the environment, it's ours. And in terms of "outrage", our society doesn't do much unless it effects them directly, so I'd more commonly call people's yammering - misguided anger compared to outrage. People are mad at BP but don't fully grasp or acknowledge the full picture in which they are involved and help enable. It's actually more a sign of scapegoating than "outrage leading to action". When people alter their habits in terms of oil consumption, I will wholeheartedly and thoroughly discredit everything I've said here, but the practical reality is people show a brief moment of emotion then go about their business. It's the same reason why we don't have legitimate, long last 3rd parties in America. The grass roots efforts doesn't last because the people do not stick with it for the long term.. same exact mindset in practice. Show of brief emotion, then back to daily life. And in terms of why elect anyone at all, I say one main reason, people live in an illusion... like I said before a pipe dream of what they'd hope is, compared to what actually is.

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

I cannot for one minute understand the logic behind this premise. It seems cleverly disguised as "meh, let's do nothing, cause it won't do anything anyway". It all starts grassroots. Outrage begets action. Action begets progress. Progress begets a plausible solution.

Why is it so impractical of humans to expect the best out of business? We elect government to oversee such things, so things of this nature won't happen, or at least won't happen again. We might as well not have government if we go by your logic. Why elect anyone if we "know" they won't do anything moral? As a society is our duty to have expectations, and high ones. When they are not met, it is our job to make it known.

With your attitude, Rosa Parks would still be sitting at the back of the bus.

FiveB247x

No I'm not saying that.. what I am saying is BP is wrong, but the main problem is not soley to blame BP, without actually fixing the cycle of why it occurred, all that alleged outrage is merely useless and pointless.

People in our culture don't want to curb their behavior or participate but expect results and accountability from others. If that's not a case of the elephant in the room, I don't know what is. As I said previously, just as it was Exxon many years ago in Alaska, now it's BP, which one will be next?? And it won't be solely occur because some greedy, uncaring company caused it, it will be the decades of inaction by the citizens, government and general apathy in our nation. Call it what is is - we don't want to fix symptoms but expect diseases to go away. All we do is band-aid problems and this is no different. Without the significant altering of practice and habits, by companies, people and government (all of them), we're merely just preparing for the next disaster.

Drowned Out wrote:

Is the underlined excerpt not exactly what you are doing with your "change your habits" idealism?
You're standing on your soapbox again, telling us that we're all 'ridiculous' for using oil while expressing outrage at BP. Us silly mortals.
I don't know if I'm understanding your premise correctly....reads like you're saying 'don't blame BP for this, they're just doing their jobs. Why would we have any expectations of them to do anything but turn a profit?....YOU are to blame for driving a car and not changing your habits'....am I reading that right?
Am I the only one who likens this to blaming a sex assault on the victim for being provocative? I mean...we're taking part in the immoral act of consuming oil....so we should just shut up and recognize our own role in the problem when something goes wrong.....???
It's unrealistic to expect alternative energy sources to be implemented over night....so, in the interim...what's the answer? "Change your habits" is an impractical response, and in practice, often impossible. Outrage has spurred the 'what's next' discussion, which is good...not ridiculous.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

FiveB247x wrote:

No I'm not saying that.. what I am saying is BP is wrong, but the main problem is not soley to blame BP, without actually fixing the cycle of why it occurred, all that alleged outrage is merely useless and pointless.

People in our culture don't want to curb their behavior or participate but expect results and accountability from others. If that's not a case of the elephant in the room, I don't know what is. As I said previously, just as it was Exxon many years ago in Alaska, now it's BP, which one will be next?? And it won't be solely occur because some greedy, uncaring company caused it, it will be the decades of inaction by the citizens, government and general apathy in our nation. Call it what is is - we don't want to fix symptoms but expect diseases to go away. All we do is band-aid problems and this is no different. Without the significant altering of practice and habits, by companies, people and government (all of them), we're merely just preparing for the next disaster.

Drowned Out wrote:

Is the underlined excerpt not exactly what you are doing with your "change your habits" idealism?
You're standing on your soapbox again, telling us that we're all 'ridiculous' for using oil while expressing outrage at BP. Us silly mortals.
I don't know if I'm understanding your premise correctly....reads like you're saying 'don't blame BP for this, they're just doing their jobs. Why would we have any expectations of them to do anything but turn a profit?....YOU are to blame for driving a car and not changing your habits'....am I reading that right?
Am I the only one who likens this to blaming a sex assault on the victim for being provocative? I mean...we're taking part in the immoral act of consuming oil....so we should just shut up and recognize our own role in the problem when something goes wrong.....???
It's unrealistic to expect alternative energy sources to be implemented over night....so, in the interim...what's the answer? "Change your habits" is an impractical response, and in practice, often impossible. Outrage has spurred the 'what's next' discussion, which is good...not ridiculous.

so basically what you are saying is that I should stop eating Snickers because the kid down the street is allergic to peanuts, instead of asking Snickers to get rid of the peanuts? that's ludicrous. what you are arguing is a pipe dream. accountability and improvement IS possible through awareness and law-making. to say that I'm partially responsible for this crisis because I drive a car is simply mental.

maybe you should be blaming Nikolaus August Otto for inventing the internal combustion engine.

FiveB247x

You basically prove my point with your comments. Your denial that America is not only oil dependent, but on a destructive path and can't see the tree from the forest. Also, not to mention all the economic, political and environmental issues it causes as a result of our dependency. As I stated earlier, it's easier to live in an illusion than deal with reality. It's no different from the big health-care debate recently, everyone hems and haws about this and that, did anyone mention the fact that Americans don't take good care of themselves and that is the main factor why we need so much health-care and it's so costly? Our nation has it's head in the sand cause it doesn't want to look up. And a good part of that is solely do to being too comfortable and not wanting to change or be bothered... so you'll have to excuse me if I don't chuckle at your snickers correlation.

Here's a basic graph of US crude production compared to our consumption.
The chart shows US crude oil production (blue) and consumption (red) and shows that the USA has been living well beyond its means for over 40 years. This lies at the heart of current global problems creating economic, social, political and environmental imbalance on an unprecedented scale.
http://www.theoildrum.com/files/US_crude_production_0.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consumption

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

so basically what you are saying is that I should stop eating Snickers because the kid down the street is allergic to peanuts, instead of asking Snickers to get rid of the peanuts? that's ludicrous. what you are arguing is a pipe dream. accountability and improvement IS possible through awareness and law-making. to say that I'm partially responsible for this crisis because I drive a car is simply mental.

maybe you should be blaming Nikolaus August Otto for inventing the internal combustion engine.

badbrains

Electric_Delta wrote:

I worry less about grammatical errors and more about the marshes of coastal Louisiana.

There has to be a forum on which the American people can speak their voices concerning this crisis.

I remember back when we had something called "Congress" which used to represent us, our fears, and our concerns. :?

You got congress wrong. Its used to represent "corporations", feeds us fear, and doesn't give 2 shits about ANY of us.... Sorry, but I had to correct you my friend...

Hugh Freaking Dillon

FiveB247x wrote:

You basically prove my point with your comments. Your denial that America is not only oil dependent, but on a destructive path and can't see the tree from the forest. Also, not to mention all the economic, political and environmental issues it causes as a result of our dependency. As I stated earlier, it's easier to live in an illusion than deal with reality. It's no different from the big health-care debate recently, everyone hems and haws about this and that, did anyone mention the fact that Americans don't take good care of themselves and that is the main factor why we need so much health-care and it's so costly? Our nation has it's head in the sand cause it doesn't want to look up. And a good part of that is solely do to being too comfortable and not wanting to change or be bothered... so you'll have to excuse me if I don't chuckle at your snickers correlation.

Here's a basic graph of US crude production compared to our consumption.
The chart shows US crude oil production (blue) and consumption (red) and shows that the USA has been living well beyond its means for over 40 years. This lies at the heart of current global problems creating economic, social, political and environmental imbalance on an unprecedented scale.

I'm not sure how I proved your point that the US is oil dependent. Show me my so-called "denial"! Your point was that it was society's fault as much or more than BP's for this disaster. I'm not really sure what you'd have society do about this problem. I am a middle class father of two little girls, and I can't afford a hybrid car. So I'm at the mercy of invention. Is that an excuse? Maybe. I could probably ride my bike to work, and take the bus everywhere else (even though it's difficult with two little ones).

But this doesn't take away from the fact that I didn't drill that fucking hole. BP did. I didn't cause that leak. BP did. Supply and demand argument all you want, but the fact is they were responsible for their product and how they got it. They make billions a day off the demand for their product, so they can afford to take proper precautions. They didn't. IT'S THEIR FAULT.

If a Wal Mart exploded with 2000 people in it, would you blame Wal Mart, or blame the people who died for shopping there?

And your health care point; I couldn't agree more. However, if the state doesn't do something about it in the meantime, then things will go to hell. But they also need to do more in making physical education mandatory up until kids graduate. Or at the very least until high school. I am disgusted, even up in Canada, when I walk around the city and I see 10 year olds that weigh 150 pounds. It's sickening.

FiveB247x

In your comments you drastically take the onus of responsibility out of the government and citizen's hands and solely blame the industry instead. Industries obviously have their own interests, but will do what the market, government and law dictates. So basically, because people continue to keep paying at the pump or not pressure government to force the necessary changes or the government not buckling down on laws, the industry runs a muck. Yet in this scenario, you make the average person seem powerless and unable to do such, yet want to solely blame the company involved. Fact is we live in a representative democracy and if people don't participate, these are the types of things that occur. It shouldn't be unexpected or a shock to anyone in any manner. We expect others to be accountable and responsible, yet don't hold up to our end of the bargain, and somehow expect different results? Not realistic or practical. Also, and not to mock or insult you, but since you gave yourself as example, I'll elaborate. You state a very typical scenario, just a middle class family trying to make their way, but at what point does our responsibility to be participants in government for the betterment of society in some form become lax or acceptable to check in and out due to other things (whether it's legitimate or not)? Seems like so many in our nation don't pay attention or participate or stay informed, yet we expect results? My point is the public simply talks out of both sides of their mouth and the problems we have are all mostly systematic, not solely the issue being too complex to fix. Oil dependency is a perfect example of such. We have alternatives available but instead we setup, enable and participate in a system/process in which cost and industry decide policy and what's available in the market for the public. And now we want to complain when the results aren't to our liking, but we fully set it forth in motion. A big mantra in our nation is that people don't want to be talked too or treated like children by the government, yet when you see our nation at work, it's very obvious to see the people actually are like spoiled children. Want everything for nothing with no accountability and responsibility. So you and others can whine about BP or the next disaster in the environment or economy and banking industry or similar, I'll call it for what it is, hypocrisy by spoiled people who do not want to bother and are too comfortable to make the effort. Reap what you sow.

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

I'm not sure how I proved your point that the US is oil dependent. Show me my so-called "denial"! Your point was that it was society's fault as much or more than BP's for this disaster. I'm not really sure what you'd have society do about this problem. I am a middle class father of two little girls, and I can't afford a hybrid car. So I'm at the mercy of invention. Is that an excuse? Maybe. I could probably ride my bike to work, and take the bus everywhere else (even though it's difficult with two little ones).

But this doesn't take away from the fact that I didn't drill that fucking hole. BP did. I didn't cause that leak. BP did. Supply and demand argument all you want, but the fact is they were responsible for their product and how they got it. They make billions a day off the demand for their product, so they can afford to take proper precautions. They didn't. IT'S THEIR FAULT.

If a Wal Mart exploded with 2000 people in it, would you blame Wal Mart, or blame the people who died for shopping there?

And your health care point; I couldn't agree more. However, if the state doesn't do something about it in the meantime, then things will go to hell. But they also need to do more in making physical education mandatory up until kids graduate. Or at the very least until high school. I am disgusted, even up in Canada, when I walk around the city and I see 10 year olds that weigh 150 pounds. It's sickening.

Stypo420

Interesting thread and I agree with a lot of the different points being thrown around. I do however think the OP suffers from terrible timing, our dependents on oil are a problem and it needs to be addressed. However with the oil still flowing at 40k barrels a day because a large company chooses to take short cuts that would maximize profits by limiting expenses. So I think it will be difficult to find a receptive ear until the oil has stopped flowing until then the conversation is stuck on stopping the oil.

In fact I don’t really agree that we (consumers) are at fault at all, I actually think you could draw a line from the Free Market concept right to this disaster. Grab as much profit as you can as quick as you can, Safety is a profit killer…no return for the money spent on it. Safety equipment is only worth while if something goes wrong, and these arrogant fucks didn’t think anything could go wrong. So while consumption is a huge problem in this country….This is nobodies fault but BP’s!

FiveB247x

Obviously the cleanup is important, but to me, it means very little if we don't fix the underlying cause of it, not solely band-aid the after result/ effect of it.

And in terms of timing, with any addiction in life, there's never a model/good time to address it... which is why we're in the boat we're in.

lgoose420 wrote:

Interesting thread and I agree with a lot of the different points being thrown around. I do however think the OP suffers from terrible timing, our dependents on oil are a problem and it needs to be addressed. However with the oil still flowing at 40k barrels a day because a large company chooses to take short cuts that would maximize profits by limiting expenses. So I think it will be difficult to find a receptive ear until the oil has stopped flowing until then the conversation is stuck on stopping the oil.

In fact I don’t really agree that we (consumers) are at fault at all, I actually think you could draw a line from the Free Market concept right to this disaster. Grab as much profit as you can as quick as you can, Safety is a profit killer…no return for the money spent on it. Safety equipment is only worth while if something goes wrong, and these arrogant fucks didn’t think anything could go wrong. So while consumption is a huge problem in this country….This is nobodies fault but BP’s!

youngster

I find it hilarious that within the last year, millions of people have been protesting at Tea parties about "LESS GOVERNMENT" and "KEEP THE GOVT OUT OF OUR LIVES"

Now that this spill happens and the same people, and even the politicians, that supported the teabaggers all along, are criticizing the president for not doing anything. This is what they wanted for the last 12 months. What. Do they just want him to do something so they can say he did it wrong?