obama looking for ass to kick....

mikepegg44

Godfather. wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

know1 wrote:

When will our government start being proactive instead of reactive?

has it ever been...

it's almost impossible to govern proactively. unless something is a glaring need, the opposing party will fight it tooth and nail as wasteful spending.

Look at airline safety... if the Bush administration had connected the dots prior to 9/11 and asked for $500 billion to completely overhaul and beef up airport security, you think the dems would have went along with it?

was the AZ bill proactive or recative ? and if AZ did this 30 years ago would they be called racisit then ?
I'm using that for a example, the US has been very proactive through out our history in different areas
IMO.

Godfather.

that law is extremely reactive. But no government anywhere can anticipate every problem and solve them before they happen. It more or less needs to be reactive

Cosmo

Your Mom Is Sleeping Over wrote:

To recap: You said that we should cut The One some slack b/c of war, bad economy, religion, and capitalism?

Again, because you "know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate."

Plaese tell me I'm misunderstanding you.....

...
I don't think anyone is cutting President Obama slack... we are just saying, place the responsibility where the responsibility lays. Bush passed on the situations he created... why do you feel he should not be held responsible?
Place responsibility on Obama for HIS decisions and actions... If the Health Care bill does, indeed, destroy America, then blame him for that. But, trying to shovel all of the shit someone else created is... well, against that Conservative cornerstone of 'Personal Responsibility'... doncha think?
Trying to place blame on Obama for the mess BP created... how does that fit in to personal responsibility? Would you blame the mayor of your town if the kid next door burned down your garage?
Didn't think so.

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

Bush, Bush, Bush.....

It's so tired.

Obama: It's YOUR presidency. Own it. Wear it.

These libs may forgive away your shortcomings and praise you all the way to the end of your first term, but it will be your ONLY term, if you don't own this fkn thing.

Blaming Bush will get you trounced in November.

inmytree

Your Mom Is Sleeping Over wrote:

Bush, Bush, Bush.....

It's so tired.

Obama: It's YOUR presidency. Own it. Wear it.

These libs may forgive away your shortcomings and praise you all the way to the end of your first term, but it will be your ONLY term, if you don't own this fkn thing.

Blaming Bush will get you trounced in November.

If memory serves me right, during the bush years, everything was Clinton's fault...

own that...

Cosmo

mikepegg44 wrote:

that law is extremely reactive. But no government anywhere can anticipate every problem and solve them before they happen. It more or less needs to be reactive

...
I'm trying to think of a pro-active law... even the law of murder must have been created after one Neolithic man killed another for his food.
About the only pro-active law I can think of would be to make it illegal to eat used kitty litter because... gosh, I HOPE no one has done THAT, yet.

Jason P

Cosmo wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Although we didn’t know how devastating the initial leak was, we have had the video of the oil leaks for a while now and Obama is acting like it is time to play hardball after almost two months. In my mind, he is about four weeks late. By now, we should all be informed on the possible options, time frames, success rates, and feasibility of stopping this leak. Instead, we hear new words like “Top Kill” and other very childless names every two weeks and half-promises to maybe stop the leak next month. We (Americans) don’t have any control over BP, but our government sure does. Obama should have had his steel-toed boots strapped up last month.

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I see what you are saying... but, come at it from a logical perspective...
Who is BEST qualified to assess and repair the damage? The people whose job it is to drill for oil... or politicians? Where does the expertise lie in the knowledge of pipline and well pressure and relief... engineers and roughnecks who understand oil rigs and off-shore drilling or senators and congressmen?
The American people don't know... I'm a database administrator... I have no clue on how to stop a gusher of oil a mile below the surface. The best people to deal with events are the ones with the best training.... which is why we send firefighters instead of database administrators to fight forrest fires... and have database administrators instead of firefighters recover corrupted databases.
All the government can do is hold BP, TransOcean and Halliburton responsible for the costs of the cleanup and liable for the damages they causes.

I don't think we have all of the best qualified people working on it due to the fact that only an insane person would want to kick BP out and take over getting the job done. The White House is struggling with this Catch-22. If they kick BP out or begin a joint-venture to help out, then they will have to share responsibility. So for now it is easier to talk tough and wag fingers rather then joining the fight.

At this point, the whole effort has become maddening.

mikepegg44

Cosmo wrote:

Your Mom Is Sleeping Over wrote:

To recap: You said that we should cut The One some slack b/c of war, bad economy, religion, and capitalism?

Again, because you "know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate."

Plaese tell me I'm misunderstanding you.....

...
I don't think anyone is cutting President Obama slack... we are just saying, place the responsibility where the responsibility lays. Bush passed on the situations he created... why do you feel he should not be held responsible?
Place responsibility on Obama for HIS decisions and actions... If the Health Care bill does, indeed, destroy America, then blame him for that. But, trying to shovel all of the shit someone else created is... well, against that Conservative cornerstone of 'Personal Responsibility'... doncha think?
Trying to place blame on Obama for the mess BP created... how does that fit in to personal responsibility? Would you blame the mayor of your town if the kid next door burned down your garage?
Didn't think so.

And yes it is against the idea of personal responsibility...

because blame game never ends. there is always a reason for something happening. What I am more interested in is solving the problems. I really don't care what caused them while the problems are happening, just that they are getting worked on as soon as they are found to be problems. Sitting around pointing fingers doesn't help... Holding people accountable once we are out of the woods is perfectly legitimate however. But GW won't be president again and blaming him doesn't solve any problems. I just want a president who solves problems and THEN gives explanations for why they occured and what we are now DOING to stop it in the future and how we are holding someone resposible (if necessary). I would vote for that person no matter what his political affliation or lack there of...

polaris_x

Cosmo wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

that law is extremely reactive. But no government anywhere can anticipate every problem and solve them before they happen. It more or less needs to be reactive

...
I'm trying to think of a pro-active law... even the law of murder must have been created after one Neolithic man killed another for his food.
About the only pro-active law I can think of would be to make it illegal to eat used kitty litter because... gosh, I HOPE no one has done THAT, yet.

environmentalists are always trying to push pro-active laws ... but we all know where that goes ...

Cosmo

Your Mom Is Sleeping Over wrote:

Bush, Bush, Bush.....

It's so tired.

Obama: It's YOUR presidency. Own it. Wear it.

These libs may forgive away your shortcomings and praise you all the way to the end of your first term, but it will be your ONLY term, if you don't own this fkn thing.

Blaming Bush will get you trounced in November.

...
So, when President Palin takes over in 2012... you're not going to hold Obama responsible for anything that happened between 2009 and 2013, right?

mikepegg44

Cosmo wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

that law is extremely reactive. But no government anywhere can anticipate every problem and solve them before they happen. It more or less needs to be reactive

...
I'm trying to think of a pro-active law... even the law of murder must have been created after one Neolithic man killed another for his food.
About the only pro-active law I can think of would be to make it illegal to eat used kitty litter because... gosh, I HOPE no one has done THAT, yet.

Keep your laws out of my personal LIFE!!!!!!!

Godfather.

Cosmo wrote:

Your Mom Is Sleeping Over wrote:

To recap: You said that we should cut The One some slack b/c of war, bad economy, religion, and capitalism?

Again, because you "know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate."

Plaese tell me I'm misunderstanding you.....

...
I don't think anyone is cutting President Obama slack... we are just saying, place the responsibility where the responsibility lays. Bush passed on the situations he created... why do you feel he should not be held responsible?
Place responsibility on Obama for HIS decisions and actions... If the Health Care bill does, indeed, destroy America, then blame him for that. But, trying to shovel all of the shit someone else created is... well, against that Conservative cornerstone of 'Personal Responsibility'... doncha think?
Trying to place blame on Obama for the mess BP created... how does that fit in to personal responsibility? Would you blame the mayor of your town if the kid next door burned down your garage?
Didn't think so.

it's too bad but nobama will be graded on his ability to correct what ever problems bush left for him to clean up
as is the deal with every president.

Godfather.

inmytree

Godfather. wrote:

it's too bad but nobama will be graded on his ability to correct what ever problems bush left for him to clean up
as is the deal with every president.

Godfather.

and no matter what Obama does, folks will blame him for everything and anything...damn, he could cure cancer, and someone would bitch about folks in the Cancer research industry losing their jobs...

why are some so blinded by hate...?

Stypo420

YMISO

Well yes you’re missing the post that this was in response to a post. If you look I think you will find a question mark somewhere as I was asking a question followed by some thoughts on that question. So to answer your question yes you are missing something, context I believe

Someone said something about all presidents’ have crap to deal with when they take office. So I came back with the question and my thoughts about it. I am hopping repetition helps here.

I guess in a round about way you could say it sounds like Liberal dibble. I’m of the mind frame that a spade is only a spade when it’s a spade. So when a situation occurs and it has never happened at any other point in history it is then its own unique thing. I think history dictates facts and talking points are mostly spin. So while it may sound like just another talking point history supports the facts. The fact is no one else has ever faced this much turmoil from so many fronts in the history of the US. Now I hardly know everything and that statement could be a pile of steamy shit but it will take actual facts to get me to stop defending it.

Now if you would like to talk issue to issue we could bash Obama together in many areas but not as a general overall theme. I don’t think you could even make a compelling argument based on facts as to why he is so bad.

If you response is going to include another attempt at spinning my words all around or calling me out as some rubberstamp lib, or include the following born in Kenya, socialist, Zars, basically anything that would come out of Glen Becks mouth, why bother?

Stypo420

Cosmo wrote:

Your Mom Is Sleeping Over wrote:

Bush, Bush, Bush.....

It's so tired.

Obama: It's YOUR presidency. Own it. Wear it.

These libs may forgive away your shortcomings and praise you all the way to the end of your first term, but it will be your ONLY term, if you don't own this fkn thing.

Blaming Bush will get you trounced in November.

...
So, when President Palin takes over in 2012... you're not going to hold Obama responsible for anything that happened between 2009 and 2013, right?

:thumbup:

Stypo420

Godfather. wrote:

it's too bad but nobama will be graded on his ability to correct what ever problems bush left for him to clean up
as is the deal with every president.

Godfather.

YES! not for the actual problems for his ability to solve those problems. With 48% of congress trying to block his every move he has still gotten some shit done, but will any of you conservatives acknowledge that? I think we all know your answer

Jason P

Cosmo wrote:

...So, when President Palin takes over in 2012... you're not going to hold Obama responsible for anything that happened between 2009 and 2013, right?

If this country takes a Obama / Palin combo over eight years, then I'm moving to Vancouver to grow hemp out of school buses buried underground.

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

lgoosy420:

Cool. My head is spinning anyway. I'll probably get fired this week for all the time Ive spent on this site.

I could make a great case, based on facts, that I believe support the claim that B.O. is the worst president since Carter, which pretty much puts him in the running for worst president ever.

But honestly, I just don't care. We're all fucked here, and arguing about which millionaire bastard lying politician did it this time, well I just dont see the point today.

Maybe tomorrow.

Oh, but to COSMO: I know liberals are worried, but I'll put u at ease. Palin will NOT be the (R) Nominee for President. Relax. Conservatives know she cant win (too polarizing), and despite having more executive experience than Obama, she is still underqualified.

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

"got some shit done."

You're right about that. "SHIT" is the word.

Ha.

inmytree

Your Mom Is Sleeping Over wrote:

"got some shit done."

You're right about that. "SHIT" is the word.

Ha.

what does this mean...?

and do you understand the function of the quote button..?

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

INMYTREE:

Why am I "blinded by hate" b/c I disagree w/ Obamessiah?

I assume you would be real quick to call me a racist also, wouldn't ya?

I must be a racist if I disagree with a president.

stupid.