obama looking for ass to kick....

Godfather.

lgoose420 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

do you really think it matters ? but if you must know I would have been kickin ass on day 1....to protect my investment....

Godfather.

So do you think that would have stopped the leak? "to protect my investment" do you mean America? if so I refer back to my first question do you think kicking ass on day 1 would have stopped the leak? I also agree that it doesn't matter but you’re critical at every turn so it just seems like your hating to hate and not for an actual reason.

not so, I honestly don't "hate" but I do think this whole thing was a accident and all the finger pointing will not fix the hole any faster,I don't think nobama has done anything wrong as far as this oil leek goes,I'm sure he's doing all he can..maybe another president would have done something different I don't know, I also think stating in a news confrence "I know who's ass to kick" was a little boo boo but to be honest with ya I got a kick out of it..kinda reminded me of Reagen and the Berlin wall thing,IMO fix the freakin leek and then kick some ass's.

Godfather.

Godfather.

Pats54 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I guess when Obama stated he was going to use every available resource to fight the spill he wasn't kidding. Too bad it took him almost two months to find his foot.

I do find it interesting that Bush was figuratively nailed to a cross for Katrina (natural disaster to a city built below sea level) while Obama has been able to deflect most criticism for the gulf spill (man-made disaster influenced by both administrations). I'm sure Ed would have had a field-day on this last tour if Bush was still in office.

Great point. Obama has no f'n clue when you take him out of campaign mode. It is quite comical to watch this guy. Spike Lee actually said on CNN that Obama really has a lot on his plate and should find someone to oversee this whole mess for him. Imagine him saying that if a Repub. was in the WH. I am sick and tired of people saying he was handed such a mess. All presidents have crap to deal with. Put on your big boy pants and man up.

YESSS !!! buy this man a beer !.

Godfather.

Stypo420

Pats54 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I guess when Obama stated he was going to use every available resource to fight the spill he wasn't kidding. Too bad it took him almost two months to find his foot.

I do find it interesting that Bush was figuratively nailed to a cross for Katrina (natural disaster to a city built below sea level) while Obama has been able to deflect most criticism for the gulf spill (man-made disaster influenced by both administrations). I'm sure Ed would have had a field-day on this last tour if Bush was still in office.

Great point. Obama has no f'n clue when you take him out of campaign mode. It is quite comical to watch this guy. Spike Lee actually said on CNN that Obama really has a lot on his plate and should find someone to oversee this whole mess for him. Imagine him saying that if a Repub. was in the WH. I am sick and tired of people saying he was handed such a mess. All presidents have crap to deal with. Put on your big boy pants and man up.

Really all presidents have crap to deal with, wow I feel enlightened. Just for arguments sake how man presidents have taken office during two wars and a recession? I really don’t think there is one though I could be wrong. Now add on top of that the mess that unabated incompetence for 8 years creates. I include the belief of faith over science, and an all encompassing view of free market economics in with unabated incompetence. Well I know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate.

SO please do tell exactly how hasn’t he manned up?

Cosmo

Jason P wrote:

I guess when Obama stated he was going to use every available resource to fight the spill he wasn't kidding. Too bad it took him almost two months to find his foot.

I do find it interesting that Bush was figuratively nailed to a cross for Katrina (natural disaster to a city built below sea level) while Obama has been able to deflect most criticism for the gulf spill (man-made disaster influenced by both administrations). I'm sure Ed would have had a field-day on this last tour if Bush was still in office.

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If you recall... it was the lapse in response to the after effects of Hurricane Katrina that Bush was criticised for... no one except the psycho nutcase/conspiracy theorists with the military weather creating machines stories blamed Bush for the hurricane. The Bush excuse of, "We weren't informed of the scale of the disaster"... three days after, while the rest of us had been watching 3 days of misery on our televisions was what made people angry. It wasn't the hurricane itself... it was the appearance that there wasn't a television in the White House or they didn't care... oblivious or indifferent... that was the problem.
With the BP mess... BP initial reported it as a 'spill'. Then it stated it was a leak... like that dripping faucet in the kitchen. It wasn't til the governemnt forced BP to make the underwated video public that we... the American people... were able to SEE what we were facing. It wasn't a spill or a leak... it was a gusher. What we were being told by BP public relations was it was a leak, like your kitchen faucet, that they were working on... but it turns out... it's a fire hose of oil that's loose and out of control in your kitchen.
...
Two completely different events... natural disaster, man made. One being unavoidable, the other avoidable.
Just because they both happen in the same region, doesn't mean you can compare the two.

polaris_x

Cosmo wrote:

[Two completely different events... natural disaster, man made. One being unavoidable, the other avoidable.
Just because they both happen in the same region, doesn't mean you can compare the two.

that's what happens when you let partisanship dictate your thoughts ... it should be noted - he was also criticized for appointing brown as head of fema when that guy was grossly unqualified in an act of cronyism ...

Godfather.

lgoose420 wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I guess when Obama stated he was going to use every available resource to fight the spill he wasn't kidding. Too bad it took him almost two months to find his foot.

I do find it interesting that Bush was figuratively nailed to a cross for Katrina (natural disaster to a city built below sea level) while Obama has been able to deflect most criticism for the gulf spill (man-made disaster influenced by both administrations). I'm sure Ed would have had a field-day on this last tour if Bush was still in office.

Great point. Obama has no f'n clue when you take him out of campaign mode. It is quite comical to watch this guy. Spike Lee actually said on CNN that Obama really has a lot on his plate and should find someone to oversee this whole mess for him. Imagine him saying that if a Repub. was in the WH. I am sick and tired of people saying he was handed such a mess. All presidents have crap to deal with. Put on your big boy pants and man up.

well he went after the job and got it knowing what he was in for right ?, also the great depression lasted ..what 10 + years ? and that was Teddy I think,how long where term limits back then,more than 8 ?
if not did the next pres, follow in to that mess ?

I think everybody who voted for nobama was using that for an excuse to cover up any bad calls he may have had or will make, everybody makes mistakes even presidents.

Godfather.

Godfather.


Really all presidents have crap to deal with, wow I feel enlightened. Just for arguments sake how man presidents have taken office during two wars and a recession? I really don’t think there is one though I could be wrong. Now add on top of that the mess that unabated incompetence for 8 years creates. I include the belief of faith over science, and an all encompassing view of free market economics in with unabated incompetence. Well I know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate.

SO please do tell exactly how hasn’t he manned up?

Godfather.

well he went after the job and got it knowing what he was in for right ?, also the great depression lasted ..what 10 + years ? and that was Teddy I think,how long where term limits back then,more than 8 ?
if not did the next pres, follow in to that mess ?

I think everybody who voted for nobama was using that for an excuse to cover up any bad calls he may have had or will make, everybody makes mistakes even presidents.

Godfather.

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

I love lgoose420:

"Poor Obamessiah took office in hard economic times, and with a bunch of Christians running around- in a Capitalist society no less!!!"


Ha. Ha.

James Carville said it: It's ok to bash Obama. He sucks. The honeymoon's over.

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

Pats54- First round's on me.

blackredyellow

know1 wrote:

When will our government start being proactive instead of reactive?

has it ever been...

it's almost impossible to govern proactively. unless something is a glaring need, the opposing party will fight it tooth and nail as wasteful spending.

Look at airline safety... if the Bush administration had connected the dots prior to 9/11 and asked for $500 billion to completely overhaul and beef up airport security, you think the dems would have went along with it?

Cosmo

Pats54 wrote:

Great point. Obama has no f'n clue when you take him out of campaign mode. It is quite comical to watch this guy. Spike Lee actually said on CNN that Obama really has a lot on his plate and should find someone to oversee this whole mess for him. Imagine him saying that if a Repub. was in the WH. I am sick and tired of people saying he was handed such a mess. All presidents have crap to deal with. Put on your big boy pants and man up.

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Let's go backwards...
What 'mess' was handed to George W. Bush? Remember, he (and Republicans) blamed 8 years of Clinton for September 11, 2001.
What about Clinton... what mess was he handed? Other than a large deficit, what did he have to deal with?
How about George H.W. Bush? Please, tell me the mess handed to him by Ronald Reagan?
Yeah... Reagan picked up a weak ecomomy and a hostage situation in Iran.
Carter got the stagflation handed to him by the 'W.I.N.' campaign of Nixon/Ford... but, that was nothing like the economic mess of today.
Ford got handed the stigma of Watergate...
Nixon inherited Vietnam...
Johnson was handed Vietnam and the Civil Rights Movement...
Kennedy got the Cold War...
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What did Bush pass on?
War in Iraq.
Neglected War in Afghanistan.
Meltdown of an unregulated financial system that might have lead to full scale depression.

Jason P

Cosmo wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I do find it interesting that Bush was figuratively nailed to a cross for Katrina (natural disaster to a city built below sea level) while Obama has been able to deflect most criticism for the gulf spill (man-made disaster influenced by both administrations). I'm sure Ed would have had a field-day on this last tour if Bush was still in office.

...
If you recall... it was the lapse in response to the after effects of Hurricane Katrina that Bush was criticised for... no one except the psycho nutcase/conspiracy theorists with the military weather creating machines stories blamed Bush for the hurricane. The Bush excuse of, "We weren't informed of the scale of the disaster"... three days after, while the rest of us had been watching 3 days of misery on our televisions was what made people angry. It wasn't the hurricane itself... it was the appearance that there wasn't a television in the White House or they didn't care... oblivious or indifferent... that was the problem.
With the BP mess... BP initial reported it as a 'spill'. Then it stated it was a leak... like that dripping faucet in the kitchen. It wasn't til the governemnt forced BP to make the underwated video public that we... the American people... were able to SEE what we were facing. It wasn't a spill or a leak... it was a gusher. What we were being told by BP public relations was it was a leak, like your kitchen faucet, that they were working on... but it turns out... it's a fire hose of oil that's loose and out of control in your kitchen.
...
Two completely different events... natural disaster, man made. One being unavoidable, the other avoidable.
Just because they both happen in the same region, doesn't mean you can compare the two.

I agree that they are two completely different events. I was just reflecting upon the media coverage of each event and how public anger was directed. I also agree that the biggest difference between the two was the proximity in media coverage and our ability to view images. Bush waited three days to take action while everyone witnessed the devastation and his image is still paying for it.

Although we didn’t know how devastating the initial leak was, we have had the video of the oil leaks for a while now and Obama is acting like it is time to play hardball after almost two months. In my mind, he is about four weeks late. By now, we should all be informed on the possible options, time frames, success rates, and feasibility of stopping this leak. Instead, we hear new words like “Top Kill” and other very childless names every two weeks and half-promises to maybe stop the leak next month. We (Americans) don’t have any control over BP, but our government sure does. Obama should have had his steel-toed boots strapped up last month.

Pepe Silvia

lgoose420 wrote:

SO please do tell exactly how hasn’t he manned up?

by doing a complete 180 on many campaign pledges and when being called on it saying he guesses he got carried away with his rhetoric at campaign time

Godfather.

blackredyellow wrote:

know1 wrote:

When will our government start being proactive instead of reactive?

has it ever been...

it's almost impossible to govern proactively. unless something is a glaring need, the opposing party will fight it tooth and nail as wasteful spending.

Look at airline safety... if the Bush administration had connected the dots prior to 9/11 and asked for $500 billion to completely overhaul and beef up airport security, you think the dems would have went along with it?

was the AZ bill proactive or recative ? and if AZ did this 30 years ago would they be called racisit then ?
I'm using that for a example, the US has been very proactive through out our history in different areas
IMO.

Godfather.

Cosmo

Jason P wrote:

I agree that they are two completely different events. I was just reflecting upon the media coverage of each event and how public anger was directed. I also agree that the biggest difference between the two was the proximity in media coverage and our ability to view images. Bush waited three days to take action while everyone witnessed the devastation and his image is still paying for it.

Although we didn’t know how devastating the initial leak was, we have had the video of the oil leaks for a while now and Obama is acting like it is time to play hardball after almost two months. In my mind, he is about four weeks late. By now, we should all be informed on the possible options, time frames, success rates, and feasibility of stopping this leak. Instead, we hear new words like “Top Kill” and other very childless names every two weeks and half-promises to maybe stop the leak next month. We (Americans) don’t have any control over BP, but our government sure does. Obama should have had his steel-toed boots strapped up last month.

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I see what you are saying... but, come at it from a logical perspective...
Who is BEST qualified to assess and repair the damage? The people whose job it is to drill for oil... or politicians? Where does the expertise lie in the knowledge of pipline and well pressure and relief... engineers and roughnecks who understand oil rigs and off-shore drilling or senators and congressmen?
The American people don't know... I'm a database administrator... I have no clue on how to stop a gusher of oil a mile below the surface. The best people to deal with events are the ones with the best training.... which is why we send firefighters instead of database administrators to fight forrest fires... and have database administrators instead of firefighters recover corrupted databases.
All the government can do is hold BP, TransOcean and Halliburton responsible for the costs of the cleanup and liable for the damages they causes.

Cosmo

Godfather. wrote:

was the AZ bill proactive or recative ?

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A: Reactive.

blackredyellow

Godfather. wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

know1 wrote:

When will our government start being proactive instead of reactive?

has it ever been...

it's almost impossible to govern proactively. unless something is a glaring need, the opposing party will fight it tooth and nail as wasteful spending.

Look at airline safety... if the Bush administration had connected the dots prior to 9/11 and asked for $500 billion to completely overhaul and beef up airport security, you think the dems would have went along with it?

was the AZ bill proactive or recative ? and if AZ did this 30 years ago would they be called racisit then ?
I'm using that for a example, the US has been very proactive through out our history in different areas
IMO.

Godfather.

The AZ law is completely reactive. The problem has been a hot button issue for the last decade and AZ seems to be stepping over the line (up for debate, I guess) in reaction to it.

I really can't think of any major legislation or gov't action that hasn't been reactive.

Stypo420

Godfather. wrote:

well he went after the job and got it knowing what he was in for right ?, also the great depression lasted ..what 10 + years ? and that was Teddy I think,how long where term limits back then,more than 8 ?
if not did the next pres, follow in to that mess ?

I think everybody who voted for nobama was using that for an excuse to cover up any bad calls he may have had or will make, everybody makes mistakes even presidents.

Godfather.

Look first off yes I am an Obama defender....admitting is the first step right . I just want more meat that is all. If you (general term) can bash with distain why can’t I defend. I took the stance that Obama was a centrist during the campaign. Am I disappoint, sure I am there are many things that he could have done better, just as many of you keep pointing out it is part of being president.

Now Godfater. FDR took office in ’33 (I think) so yes it was during the Great Depression but no conflicts that I know of. FDR served like 12 years and died in office. Had he lived he would have pushed for what he called the second bill of rights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwUL9tJmypI&feature=player_embedded
I think you will like his ideas

Your Mom Is Sleeping Over wrote:

I love lgoose420:

"Poor Obamessiah took office in hard economic times, and with a bunch of Christians running around- in a Capitalist society no less!!!"

Hi :wave: thanks for the love...
Did you have a point to go along with this out of context quote?

Cosmo

prfctlefts wrote:

He must have heard what Spike lee said about him.
IMO he didn't sound to presidential.More like a Chicago thug.

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Really? Are you being serious... or just your typically politically partisan self?
Because the term 'kick-ass' is pretty fucking mild. So mild, I would think that only a mother fuckin' pussy would find it offensive. And if 'kick ass' is what Chicago thugs are all about, then Chicago thugs must be the pussies on the pussies whose virgin fucking ears hurt when some says, 'kick ass'.

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

lgoose420:

I was paraphrasing your comments:

"how man presidents have taken office during two wars and a recession? I really don’t think there is one though I could be wrong. Now add on top of that the mess that unabated incompetence for 8 years creates. I include the belief of faith over science, and an all encompassing view of free market economics in with unabated incompetence. Well I know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate."

I could be misunderstanding you, but aren't you defending Obamessiah with the standard lib talking points of :
-"but he inherited a Great Depression" and "2 wars" and " Bush, Bush" and now you've pointed out that the poor guy had to deal with Americans of faith (bout %90-%95 believe in a God) and of course "the free market".


To recap: You said that we should cut The One some slack b/c of war, bad economy, religion, and capitalism?

Again, because you "know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate."

Plaese tell me I'm misunderstanding you.....