Great point. Obama has no f'n clue when you take him out of campaign mode. It is quite comical to watch this guy. Spike Lee actually said on CNN that Obama really has a lot on his plate and should find someone to oversee this whole mess for him. Imagine him saying that if a Repub. was in the WH. I am sick and tired of people saying he was handed such a mess. All presidents have crap to deal with. Put on your big boy pants and man up.
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Let's go backwards...
What 'mess' was handed to George W. Bush? Remember, he (and Republicans) blamed 8 years of Clinton for September 11, 2001.
What about Clinton... what mess was he handed? Other than a large deficit, what did he have to deal with?
How about George H.W. Bush? Please, tell me the mess handed to him by Ronald Reagan?
Yeah... Reagan picked up a weak ecomomy and a hostage situation in Iran.
Carter got the stagflation handed to him by the 'W.I.N.' campaign of Nixon/Ford... but, that was nothing like the economic mess of today.
Ford got handed the stigma of Watergate...
Nixon inherited Vietnam...
Johnson was handed Vietnam and the Civil Rights Movement...
Kennedy got the Cold War...
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What did Bush pass on?
War in Iraq.
Neglected War in Afghanistan.
Meltdown of an unregulated financial system that might have lead to full scale depression.
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Hail, Hail!!!
I do find it interesting that Bush was figuratively nailed to a cross for Katrina (natural disaster to a city built below sea level) while Obama has been able to deflect most criticism for the gulf spill (man-made disaster influenced by both administrations). I'm sure Ed would have had a field-day on this last tour if Bush was still in office.
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If you recall... it was the lapse in response to the after effects of Hurricane Katrina that Bush was criticised for... no one except the psycho nutcase/conspiracy theorists with the military weather creating machines stories blamed Bush for the hurricane. The Bush excuse of, "We weren't informed of the scale of the disaster"... three days after, while the rest of us had been watching 3 days of misery on our televisions was what made people angry. It wasn't the hurricane itself... it was the appearance that there wasn't a television in the White House or they didn't care... oblivious or indifferent... that was the problem.
With the BP mess... BP initial reported it as a 'spill'. Then it stated it was a leak... like that dripping faucet in the kitchen. It wasn't til the governemnt forced BP to make the underwated video public that we... the American people... were able to SEE what we were facing. It wasn't a spill or a leak... it was a gusher. What we were being told by BP public relations was it was a leak, like your kitchen faucet, that they were working on... but it turns out... it's a fire hose of oil that's loose and out of control in your kitchen.
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Two completely different events... natural disaster, man made. One being unavoidable, the other avoidable.
Just because they both happen in the same region, doesn't mean you can compare the two.
I agree that they are two completely different events. I was just reflecting upon the media coverage of each event and how public anger was directed. I also agree that the biggest difference between the two was the proximity in media coverage and our ability to view images. Bush waited three days to take action while everyone witnessed the devastation and his image is still paying for it.
Although we didn’t know how devastating the initial leak was, we have had the video of the oil leaks for a while now and Obama is acting like it is time to play hardball after almost two months. In my mind, he is about four weeks late. By now, we should all be informed on the possible options, time frames, success rates, and feasibility of stopping this leak. Instead, we hear new words like “Top Kill” and other very childless names every two weeks and half-promises to maybe stop the leak next month. We (Americans) don’t have any control over BP, but our government sure does. Obama should have had his steel-toed boots strapped up last month.
SO please do tell exactly how hasn’t he manned up?
by doing a complete 180 on many campaign pledges and when being called on it saying he guesses he got carried away with his rhetoric at campaign time
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
When will our government start being proactive instead of reactive?
has it ever been...
it's almost impossible to govern proactively. unless something is a glaring need, the opposing party will fight it tooth and nail as wasteful spending.
Look at airline safety... if the Bush administration had connected the dots prior to 9/11 and asked for $500 billion to completely overhaul and beef up airport security, you think the dems would have went along with it?
was the AZ bill proactive or recative ? and if AZ did this 30 years ago would they be called racisit then ?
I'm using that for a example, the US has been very proactive through out our history in different areas
IMO.
I agree that they are two completely different events. I was just reflecting upon the media coverage of each event and how public anger was directed. I also agree that the biggest difference between the two was the proximity in media coverage and our ability to view images. Bush waited three days to take action while everyone witnessed the devastation and his image is still paying for it.
Although we didn’t know how devastating the initial leak was, we have had the video of the oil leaks for a while now and Obama is acting like it is time to play hardball after almost two months. In my mind, he is about four weeks late. By now, we should all be informed on the possible options, time frames, success rates, and feasibility of stopping this leak. Instead, we hear new words like “Top Kill” and other very childless names every two weeks and half-promises to maybe stop the leak next month. We (Americans) don’t have any control over BP, but our government sure does. Obama should have had his steel-toed boots strapped up last month.
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I see what you are saying... but, come at it from a logical perspective...
Who is BEST qualified to assess and repair the damage? The people whose job it is to drill for oil... or politicians? Where does the expertise lie in the knowledge of pipline and well pressure and relief... engineers and roughnecks who understand oil rigs and off-shore drilling or senators and congressmen?
The American people don't know... I'm a database administrator... I have no clue on how to stop a gusher of oil a mile below the surface. The best people to deal with events are the ones with the best training.... which is why we send firefighters instead of database administrators to fight forrest fires... and have database administrators instead of firefighters recover corrupted databases.
All the government can do is hold BP, TransOcean and Halliburton responsible for the costs of the cleanup and liable for the damages they causes.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
When will our government start being proactive instead of reactive?
has it ever been...
it's almost impossible to govern proactively. unless something is a glaring need, the opposing party will fight it tooth and nail as wasteful spending.
Look at airline safety... if the Bush administration had connected the dots prior to 9/11 and asked for $500 billion to completely overhaul and beef up airport security, you think the dems would have went along with it?
was the AZ bill proactive or recative ? and if AZ did this 30 years ago would they be called racisit then ?
I'm using that for a example, the US has been very proactive through out our history in different areas
IMO.
Godfather.
The AZ law is completely reactive. The problem has been a hot button issue for the last decade and AZ seems to be stepping over the line (up for debate, I guess) in reaction to it.
I really can't think of any major legislation or gov't action that hasn't been reactive.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
well he went after the job and got it knowing what he was in for right ?, also the great depression lasted ..what 10 + years ? and that was Teddy I think,how long where term limits back then,more than 8 ?
if not did the next pres, follow in to that mess ?
I think everybody who voted for nobama was using that for an excuse to cover up any bad calls he may have had or will make, everybody makes mistakes even presidents.
Godfather.
Look first off yes I am an Obama defender....admitting is the first step right . I just want more meat that is all. If you (general term) can bash with distain why can’t I defend. I took the stance that Obama was a centrist during the campaign. Am I disappoint, sure I am there are many things that he could have done better, just as many of you keep pointing out it is part of being president.
Now Godfater. FDR took office in ’33 (I think) so yes it was during the Great Depression but no conflicts that I know of. FDR served like 12 years and died in office. Had he lived he would have pushed for what he called the second bill of rights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwUL9tJmypI&feature=player_embedded
I think you will like his ideas
He must have heard what Spike lee said about him.
IMO he didn't sound to presidential.More like a Chicago thug.
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Really? Are you being serious... or just your typically politically partisan self?
Because the term 'kick-ass' is pretty fucking mild. So mild, I would think that only a mother fuckin' pussy would find it offensive. And if 'kick ass' is what Chicago thugs are all about, then Chicago thugs must be the pussies on the pussies whose virgin fucking ears hurt when some says, 'kick ass'.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
"how man presidents have taken office during two wars and a recession? I really don’t think there is one though I could be wrong. Now add on top of that the mess that unabated incompetence for 8 years creates. I include the belief of faith over science, and an all encompassing view of free market economics in with unabated incompetence. Well I know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate."
I could be misunderstanding you, but aren't you defending Obamessiah with the standard lib talking points of :
-"but he inherited a Great Depression" and "2 wars" and " Bush, Bush" and now you've pointed out that the poor guy had to deal with Americans of faith (bout %90-%95 believe in a God) and of course "the free market".
To recap: You said that we should cut The One some slack b/c of war, bad economy, religion, and capitalism?
Again, because you "know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate."
When will our government start being proactive instead of reactive?
has it ever been...
it's almost impossible to govern proactively. unless something is a glaring need, the opposing party will fight it tooth and nail as wasteful spending.
Look at airline safety... if the Bush administration had connected the dots prior to 9/11 and asked for $500 billion to completely overhaul and beef up airport security, you think the dems would have went along with it?
was the AZ bill proactive or recative ? and if AZ did this 30 years ago would they be called racisit then ?
I'm using that for a example, the US has been very proactive through out our history in different areas
IMO.
Godfather.
that law is extremely reactive. But no government anywhere can anticipate every problem and solve them before they happen. It more or less needs to be reactive
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
To recap: You said that we should cut The One some slack b/c of war, bad economy, religion, and capitalism?
Again, because you "know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate."
Plaese tell me I'm misunderstanding you.....
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I don't think anyone is cutting President Obama slack... we are just saying, place the responsibility where the responsibility lays. Bush passed on the situations he created... why do you feel he should not be held responsible?
Place responsibility on Obama for HIS decisions and actions... If the Health Care bill does, indeed, destroy America, then blame him for that. But, trying to shovel all of the shit someone else created is... well, against that Conservative cornerstone of 'Personal Responsibility'... doncha think?
Trying to place blame on Obama for the mess BP created... how does that fit in to personal responsibility? Would you blame the mayor of your town if the kid next door burned down your garage?
Didn't think so.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
These libs may forgive away your shortcomings and praise you all the way to the end of your first term, but it will be your ONLY term, if you don't own this fkn thing.
These libs may forgive away your shortcomings and praise you all the way to the end of your first term, but it will be your ONLY term, if you don't own this fkn thing.
Blaming Bush will get you trounced in November.
If memory serves me right, during the bush years, everything was Clinton's fault...
that law is extremely reactive. But no government anywhere can anticipate every problem and solve them before they happen. It more or less needs to be reactive
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I'm trying to think of a pro-active law... even the law of murder must have been created after one Neolithic man killed another for his food.
About the only pro-active law I can think of would be to make it illegal to eat used kitty litter because... gosh, I HOPE no one has done THAT, yet.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Although we didn’t know how devastating the initial leak was, we have had the video of the oil leaks for a while now and Obama is acting like it is time to play hardball after almost two months. In my mind, he is about four weeks late. By now, we should all be informed on the possible options, time frames, success rates, and feasibility of stopping this leak. Instead, we hear new words like “Top Kill” and other very childless names every two weeks and half-promises to maybe stop the leak next month. We (Americans) don’t have any control over BP, but our government sure does. Obama should have had his steel-toed boots strapped up last month.
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I see what you are saying... but, come at it from a logical perspective...
Who is BEST qualified to assess and repair the damage? The people whose job it is to drill for oil... or politicians? Where does the expertise lie in the knowledge of pipline and well pressure and relief... engineers and roughnecks who understand oil rigs and off-shore drilling or senators and congressmen?
The American people don't know... I'm a database administrator... I have no clue on how to stop a gusher of oil a mile below the surface. The best people to deal with events are the ones with the best training.... which is why we send firefighters instead of database administrators to fight forrest fires... and have database administrators instead of firefighters recover corrupted databases.
All the government can do is hold BP, TransOcean and Halliburton responsible for the costs of the cleanup and liable for the damages they causes.
I don't think we have all of the best qualified people working on it due to the fact that only an insane person would want to kick BP out and take over getting the job done. The White House is struggling with this Catch-22. If they kick BP out or begin a joint-venture to help out, then they will have to share responsibility. So for now it is easier to talk tough and wag fingers rather then joining the fight.
At this point, the whole effort has become maddening.
To recap: You said that we should cut The One some slack b/c of war, bad economy, religion, and capitalism?
Again, because you "know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate."
Plaese tell me I'm misunderstanding you.....
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I don't think anyone is cutting President Obama slack... we are just saying, place the responsibility where the responsibility lays. Bush passed on the situations he created... why do you feel he should not be held responsible?
Place responsibility on Obama for HIS decisions and actions... If the Health Care bill does, indeed, destroy America, then blame him for that. But, trying to shovel all of the shit someone else created is... well, against that Conservative cornerstone of 'Personal Responsibility'... doncha think?
Trying to place blame on Obama for the mess BP created... how does that fit in to personal responsibility? Would you blame the mayor of your town if the kid next door burned down your garage?
Didn't think so.
And yes it is against the idea of personal responsibility...
because blame game never ends. there is always a reason for something happening. What I am more interested in is solving the problems. I really don't care what caused them while the problems are happening, just that they are getting worked on as soon as they are found to be problems. Sitting around pointing fingers doesn't help... Holding people accountable once we are out of the woods is perfectly legitimate however. But GW won't be president again and blaming him doesn't solve any problems. I just want a president who solves problems and THEN gives explanations for why they occured and what we are now DOING to stop it in the future and how we are holding someone resposible (if necessary). I would vote for that person no matter what his political affliation or lack there of...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
that law is extremely reactive. But no government anywhere can anticipate every problem and solve them before they happen. It more or less needs to be reactive
...
I'm trying to think of a pro-active law... even the law of murder must have been created after one Neolithic man killed another for his food.
About the only pro-active law I can think of would be to make it illegal to eat used kitty litter because... gosh, I HOPE no one has done THAT, yet.
environmentalists are always trying to push pro-active laws ... but we all know where that goes ...
These libs may forgive away your shortcomings and praise you all the way to the end of your first term, but it will be your ONLY term, if you don't own this fkn thing.
Blaming Bush will get you trounced in November.
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So, when President Palin takes over in 2012... you're not going to hold Obama responsible for anything that happened between 2009 and 2013, right?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
that law is extremely reactive. But no government anywhere can anticipate every problem and solve them before they happen. It more or less needs to be reactive
...
I'm trying to think of a pro-active law... even the law of murder must have been created after one Neolithic man killed another for his food.
About the only pro-active law I can think of would be to make it illegal to eat used kitty litter because... gosh, I HOPE no one has done THAT, yet.
Keep your laws out of my personal LIFE!!!!!!!
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
To recap: You said that we should cut The One some slack b/c of war, bad economy, religion, and capitalism?
Again, because you "know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate."
Plaese tell me I'm misunderstanding you.....
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I don't think anyone is cutting President Obama slack... we are just saying, place the responsibility where the responsibility lays. Bush passed on the situations he created... why do you feel he should not be held responsible?
Place responsibility on Obama for HIS decisions and actions... If the Health Care bill does, indeed, destroy America, then blame him for that. But, trying to shovel all of the shit someone else created is... well, against that Conservative cornerstone of 'Personal Responsibility'... doncha think?
Trying to place blame on Obama for the mess BP created... how does that fit in to personal responsibility? Would you blame the mayor of your town if the kid next door burned down your garage?
Didn't think so.
it's too bad but nobama will be graded on his ability to correct what ever problems bush left for him to clean up
as is the deal with every president.
it's too bad but nobama will be graded on his ability to correct what ever problems bush left for him to clean up
as is the deal with every president.
Godfather.
and no matter what Obama does, folks will blame him for everything and anything...damn, he could cure cancer, and someone would bitch about folks in the Cancer research industry losing their jobs...
Well yes you’re missing the post that this was in response to a post. If you look I think you will find a question mark somewhere as I was asking a question followed by some thoughts on that question. So to answer your question yes you are missing something, context I believe
Someone said something about all presidents’ have crap to deal with when they take office. So I came back with the question and my thoughts about it. I am hopping repetition helps here.
I guess in a round about way you could say it sounds like Liberal dibble. I’m of the mind frame that a spade is only a spade when it’s a spade. So when a situation occurs and it has never happened at any other point in history it is then its own unique thing. I think history dictates facts and talking points are mostly spin. So while it may sound like just another talking point history supports the facts. The fact is no one else has ever faced this much turmoil from so many fronts in the history of the US. Now I hardly know everything and that statement could be a pile of steamy shit but it will take actual facts to get me to stop defending it.
Now if you would like to talk issue to issue we could bash Obama together in many areas but not as a general overall theme. I don’t think you could even make a compelling argument based on facts as to why he is so bad.
If you response is going to include another attempt at spinning my words all around or calling me out as some rubberstamp lib, or include the following born in Kenya, socialist, Zars, basically anything that would come out of Glen Becks mouth, why bother?
These libs may forgive away your shortcomings and praise you all the way to the end of your first term, but it will be your ONLY term, if you don't own this fkn thing.
Blaming Bush will get you trounced in November.
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So, when President Palin takes over in 2012... you're not going to hold Obama responsible for anything that happened between 2009 and 2013, right?
it's too bad but nobama will be graded on his ability to correct what ever problems bush left for him to clean up
as is the deal with every president.
Godfather.
YES! not for the actual problems for his ability to solve those problems. With 48% of congress trying to block his every move he has still gotten some shit done, but will any of you conservatives acknowledge that? I think we all know your answer
Cool. My head is spinning anyway. I'll probably get fired this week for all the time Ive spent on this site.
I could make a great case, based on facts, that I believe support the claim that B.O. is the worst president since Carter, which pretty much puts him in the running for worst president ever.
But honestly, I just don't care. We're all fucked here, and arguing about which millionaire bastard lying politician did it this time, well I just dont see the point today.
Maybe tomorrow.
Oh, but to COSMO: I know liberals are worried, but I'll put u at ease. Palin will NOT be the (R) Nominee for President. Relax. Conservatives know she cant win (too polarizing), and despite having more executive experience than Obama, she is still underqualified.
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Let's go backwards...
What 'mess' was handed to George W. Bush? Remember, he (and Republicans) blamed 8 years of Clinton for September 11, 2001.
What about Clinton... what mess was he handed? Other than a large deficit, what did he have to deal with?
How about George H.W. Bush? Please, tell me the mess handed to him by Ronald Reagan?
Yeah... Reagan picked up a weak ecomomy and a hostage situation in Iran.
Carter got the stagflation handed to him by the 'W.I.N.' campaign of Nixon/Ford... but, that was nothing like the economic mess of today.
Ford got handed the stigma of Watergate...
Nixon inherited Vietnam...
Johnson was handed Vietnam and the Civil Rights Movement...
Kennedy got the Cold War...
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What did Bush pass on?
War in Iraq.
Neglected War in Afghanistan.
Meltdown of an unregulated financial system that might have lead to full scale depression.
Hail, Hail!!!
Although we didn’t know how devastating the initial leak was, we have had the video of the oil leaks for a while now and Obama is acting like it is time to play hardball after almost two months. In my mind, he is about four weeks late. By now, we should all be informed on the possible options, time frames, success rates, and feasibility of stopping this leak. Instead, we hear new words like “Top Kill” and other very childless names every two weeks and half-promises to maybe stop the leak next month. We (Americans) don’t have any control over BP, but our government sure does. Obama should have had his steel-toed boots strapped up last month.
by doing a complete 180 on many campaign pledges and when being called on it saying he guesses he got carried away with his rhetoric at campaign time
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
was the AZ bill proactive or recative ? and if AZ did this 30 years ago would they be called racisit then ?
I'm using that for a example, the US has been very proactive through out our history in different areas
IMO.
Godfather.
I see what you are saying... but, come at it from a logical perspective...
Who is BEST qualified to assess and repair the damage? The people whose job it is to drill for oil... or politicians? Where does the expertise lie in the knowledge of pipline and well pressure and relief... engineers and roughnecks who understand oil rigs and off-shore drilling or senators and congressmen?
The American people don't know... I'm a database administrator... I have no clue on how to stop a gusher of oil a mile below the surface. The best people to deal with events are the ones with the best training.... which is why we send firefighters instead of database administrators to fight forrest fires... and have database administrators instead of firefighters recover corrupted databases.
All the government can do is hold BP, TransOcean and Halliburton responsible for the costs of the cleanup and liable for the damages they causes.
Hail, Hail!!!
A: Reactive.
Hail, Hail!!!
The AZ law is completely reactive. The problem has been a hot button issue for the last decade and AZ seems to be stepping over the line (up for debate, I guess) in reaction to it.
I really can't think of any major legislation or gov't action that hasn't been reactive.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Look first off yes I am an Obama defender....admitting is the first step right
Now Godfater. FDR took office in ’33 (I think) so yes it was during the Great Depression but no conflicts that I know of. FDR served like 12 years and died in office. Had he lived he would have pushed for what he called the second bill of rights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwUL9tJmypI&feature=player_embedded
I think you will like his ideas
Hi :wave: thanks for the love...
Did you have a point to go along with this out of context quote?
Really? Are you being serious... or just your typically politically partisan self?
Because the term 'kick-ass' is pretty fucking mild. So mild, I would think that only a mother fuckin' pussy would find it offensive. And if 'kick ass' is what Chicago thugs are all about, then Chicago thugs must be the pussies on the pussies whose virgin fucking ears hurt when some says, 'kick ass'.
Hail, Hail!!!
I was paraphrasing your comments:
"how man presidents have taken office during two wars and a recession? I really don’t think there is one though I could be wrong. Now add on top of that the mess that unabated incompetence for 8 years creates. I include the belief of faith over science, and an all encompassing view of free market economics in with unabated incompetence. Well I know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate."
I could be misunderstanding you, but aren't you defending Obamessiah with the standard lib talking points of :
-"but he inherited a Great Depression" and "2 wars" and " Bush, Bush" and now you've pointed out that the poor guy had to deal with Americans of faith (bout %90-%95 believe in a God) and of course "the free market".
To recap: You said that we should cut The One some slack b/c of war, bad economy, religion, and capitalism?
Again, because you "know that no one has ever taken over the office with all that on their plate."
Plaese tell me I'm misunderstanding you.....
that law is extremely reactive. But no government anywhere can anticipate every problem and solve them before they happen. It more or less needs to be reactive
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I don't think anyone is cutting President Obama slack... we are just saying, place the responsibility where the responsibility lays. Bush passed on the situations he created... why do you feel he should not be held responsible?
Place responsibility on Obama for HIS decisions and actions... If the Health Care bill does, indeed, destroy America, then blame him for that. But, trying to shovel all of the shit someone else created is... well, against that Conservative cornerstone of 'Personal Responsibility'... doncha think?
Trying to place blame on Obama for the mess BP created... how does that fit in to personal responsibility? Would you blame the mayor of your town if the kid next door burned down your garage?
Didn't think so.
Hail, Hail!!!
It's so tired.
Obama: It's YOUR presidency. Own it. Wear it.
These libs may forgive away your shortcomings and praise you all the way to the end of your first term, but it will be your ONLY term, if you don't own this fkn thing.
Blaming Bush will get you trounced in November.
If memory serves me right, during the bush years, everything was Clinton's fault...
own that...
I'm trying to think of a pro-active law... even the law of murder must have been created after one Neolithic man killed another for his food.
About the only pro-active law I can think of would be to make it illegal to eat used kitty litter because... gosh, I HOPE no one has done THAT, yet.
Hail, Hail!!!
At this point, the whole effort has become maddening.
because blame game never ends. there is always a reason for something happening. What I am more interested in is solving the problems. I really don't care what caused them while the problems are happening, just that they are getting worked on as soon as they are found to be problems. Sitting around pointing fingers doesn't help... Holding people accountable once we are out of the woods is perfectly legitimate however. But GW won't be president again and blaming him doesn't solve any problems. I just want a president who solves problems and THEN gives explanations for why they occured and what we are now DOING to stop it in the future and how we are holding someone resposible (if necessary). I would vote for that person no matter what his political affliation or lack there of...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
environmentalists are always trying to push pro-active laws ... but we all know where that goes ...
So, when President Palin takes over in 2012... you're not going to hold Obama responsible for anything that happened between 2009 and 2013, right?
Hail, Hail!!!
Keep your laws out of my personal LIFE!!!!!!!
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
it's too bad but nobama will be graded on his ability to correct what ever problems bush left for him to clean up
as is the deal with every president.
Godfather.
and no matter what Obama does, folks will blame him for everything and anything...damn, he could cure cancer, and someone would bitch about folks in the Cancer research industry losing their jobs...
why are some so blinded by hate...?
Well yes you’re missing the post that this was in response to a post. If you look I think you will find a question mark somewhere as I was asking a question followed by some thoughts on that question. So to answer your question yes you are missing something, context I believe
Someone said something about all presidents’ have crap to deal with when they take office. So I came back with the question and my thoughts about it. I am hopping repetition helps here.
I guess in a round about way you could say it sounds like Liberal dibble. I’m of the mind frame that a spade is only a spade when it’s a spade. So when a situation occurs and it has never happened at any other point in history it is then its own unique thing. I think history dictates facts and talking points are mostly spin. So while it may sound like just another talking point history supports the facts. The fact is no one else has ever faced this much turmoil from so many fronts in the history of the US. Now I hardly know everything and that statement could be a pile of steamy shit but it will take actual facts to get me to stop defending it.
Now if you would like to talk issue to issue we could bash Obama together in many areas but not as a general overall theme. I don’t think you could even make a compelling argument based on facts as to why he is so bad.
If you response is going to include another attempt at spinning my words all around or calling me out as some rubberstamp lib, or include the following born in Kenya, socialist, Zars, basically anything that would come out of Glen Becks mouth, why bother?
YES! not for the actual problems for his ability to solve those problems. With 48% of congress trying to block his every move he has still gotten some shit done, but will any of you conservatives acknowledge that? I think we all know your answer
Cool. My head is spinning anyway. I'll probably get fired this week for all the time Ive spent on this site.
I could make a great case, based on facts, that I believe support the claim that B.O. is the worst president since Carter, which pretty much puts him in the running for worst president ever.
But honestly, I just don't care. We're all fucked here, and arguing about which millionaire bastard lying politician did it this time, well I just dont see the point today.
Maybe tomorrow.
Oh, but to COSMO: I know liberals are worried, but I'll put u at ease. Palin will NOT be the (R) Nominee for President. Relax. Conservatives know she cant win (too polarizing), and despite having more executive experience than Obama, she is still underqualified.
You're right about that. "SHIT" is the word.
Ha.
what does this mean...?
and do you understand the function of the quote button..?
Why am I "blinded by hate" b/c I disagree w/ Obamessiah?
I assume you would be real quick to call me a racist also, wouldn't ya?
I must be a racist if I disagree with a president.
stupid.