Yes, it is a fact that most terrorists are Muslims, it is a fact.
All terrorists are Muslims except the 94% that aren't.
CNN recently published an article entitled Study: Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated; according to a study released by Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, “the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.”
Yet, Americans continue to live in mortal fear of radical Islam, a fear propagated and inflamed by right wing Islamophobes. If one follows the cable news networks, it seems as if all terrorists are Muslims. It has even become axiomatic in some circles to chant: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” Muslims and their “leftist dhimmi allies” respond feebly, mentioning Waco as the one counter example, unwittingly affirming the belief that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims.”
But perception is not reality. The data simply does not support such a hasty conclusion. On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on U.S. soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005. That list can be accessed here (scroll down all the way to the bottom). http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/ ... 2_2005.htm
According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.
Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two. It would indeed be very interesting to construct a corresponding pie chart that depicted the level of media coverage of each group. The reason that Muslim apologists and their “leftist dhimmi allies” cannot recall another non-Islamic act of terrorism other than Waco is due to the fact that the media gives menial (if any) coverage to such events. If a terrorist attack does not fit the “Islam is the perennial and existential threat of our times” narrative, it is simply not paid much attention to, which in a circuitous manner reinforces and “proves” the preconceived narrative. It is to such an extent that the average American cannot remember any Jewish or Latino terrorist; why should he when he has never even heard of the Jewish Defense League or the Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros? Surely what he does not know does not exist!
The Islamophobes claim that Islam is intrinsically a terrorist religion. The proof? Well, just about every terrorist attack is Islamic, they retort. Unfortunately for them, that’s not quite true. More like six percent. Using their defunct logic, these right wingers ought now to conclude that nearly all acts of terrorism are committed by Latinos (or Jews). Let them dare say it…they couldn’t; it would be political and social suicide to say such a thing. Most Americans would shut down such talk as bigoted; yet, similar statements continue to be said of Islam, without any repercussions.
The Islamophobes live in a fantasy world where everyone is supposedly too “politically correct” to criticize Islam and Muslims. Yet, the reality is the exact opposite: you can get away with saying anything against the crescent. Can you imagine the reaction if I said that Latinos should be profiled because after all they are the ones who commit the most terrorism in the country? (For the record: I don’t believe in such profiling, because I am–unlike the right wing nutters–a believer in American ideals.)
Nobody is saying that Islamic terrorism is not a matter of concern, but it’s grossly exaggerated.
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
To say that most terrorists are Muslim (wow by the way), shows a lack of understanding, depth, and education. You harbour a very scary outlook on life. Get out there and read up on what is going on, educate yourself, I mean, it's just astounding to actually stand over a comment like that.
I fear for the future if that is the level of thinking that passes for knowledge. Looks like all those messages by these hate mongers are really taking hold, and I'm on about some of the media figures in America, the "we love GOD and his message so much, that we're gonna wipe out anyone who gets in our way", brigade.
Forget looking up books, you're already using a tool that can help you - Google that bad boy and get started now.
To say that most terrorists are Muslim (wow by the way), shows a lack of understanding, depth, and education. You harbour a very scary outlook on life. Get out there and read up on what is going on, educate yourself, I mean, it's just astounding to actually stand over a comment like that.
I fear for the future if that is the level of thinking that passes for knowledge. Looks like all those messages by these hate mongers are really taking hold, and I'm on about some of the media figures in America, the "we love GOD and his message so much, that we're gonna wipe out anyone who gets in our way", brigade.
Forget looking up books, you're already using a tool that can help you - Google that bad boy and get started now.
To say that most terrorists are Muslim (wow by the way), shows a lack of understanding, depth, and education. You harbour a very scary outlook on life. Get out there and read up on what is going on, educate yourself, I mean, it's just astounding to actually stand over a comment like that.
I fear for the future if that is the level of thinking that passes for knowledge. Looks like all those messages by these hate mongers are really taking hold, and I'm on about some of the media figures in America, the "we love GOD and his message so much, that we're gonna wipe out anyone who gets in our way", brigade.
Forget looking up books, you're already using a tool that can help you - Google that bad boy and get started now.
To say that most terrorists are Muslim (wow by the way), shows a lack of understanding, depth, and education. You harbour a very scary outlook on life. Get out there and read up on what is going on, educate yourself, I mean, it's just astounding to actually stand over a comment like that.
I fear for the future if that is the level of thinking that passes for knowledge. Looks like all those messages by these hate mongers are really taking hold, and I'm on about some of the media figures in America, the "we love GOD and his message so much, that we're gonna wipe out anyone who gets in our way", brigade.
Forget looking up books, you're already using a tool that can help you - Google that bad boy and get started now.
the OP is really getting quite exhausting...
i'm guessing he's on a break now ...
Captain America never takes a break in the fight for liberty and justice, and freedom for all.
Yes, it is a fact that most terrorists are Muslims, it is a fact.
All terrorists are Muslims except the 94% that aren't.
CNN recently published an article entitled Study: Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated; according to a study released by Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, “the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.”
Yet, Americans continue to live in mortal fear of radical Islam, a fear propagated and inflamed by right wing Islamophobes. If one follows the cable news networks, it seems as if all terrorists are Muslims. It has even become axiomatic in some circles to chant: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” Muslims and their “leftist dhimmi allies” respond feebly, mentioning Waco as the one counter example, unwittingly affirming the belief that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims.”
But perception is not reality. The data simply does not support such a hasty conclusion. On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on U.S. soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005. That list can be accessed here (scroll down all the way to the bottom). http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/ ... 2_2005.htm
According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.
Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two. It would indeed be very interesting to construct a corresponding pie chart that depicted the level of media coverage of each group. The reason that Muslim apologists and their “leftist dhimmi allies” cannot recall another non-Islamic act of terrorism other than Waco is due to the fact that the media gives menial (if any) coverage to such events. If a terrorist attack does not fit the “Islam is the perennial and existential threat of our times” narrative, it is simply not paid much attention to, which in a circuitous manner reinforces and “proves” the preconceived narrative. It is to such an extent that the average American cannot remember any Jewish or Latino terrorist; why should he when he has never even heard of the Jewish Defense League or the Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros? Surely what he does not know does not exist!
The Islamophobes claim that Islam is intrinsically a terrorist religion. The proof? Well, just about every terrorist attack is Islamic, they retort. Unfortunately for them, that’s not quite true. More like six percent. Using their defunct logic, these right wingers ought now to conclude that nearly all acts of terrorism are committed by Latinos (or Jews). Let them dare say it…they couldn’t; it would be political and social suicide to say such a thing. Most Americans would shut down such talk as bigoted; yet, similar statements continue to be said of Islam, without any repercussions.
The Islamophobes live in a fantasy world where everyone is supposedly too “politically correct” to criticize Islam and Muslims. Yet, the reality is the exact opposite: you can get away with saying anything against the crescent. Can you imagine the reaction if I said that Latinos should be profiled because after all they are the ones who commit the most terrorism in the country? (For the record: I don’t believe in such profiling, because I am–unlike the right wing nutters–a believer in American ideals.)
Nobody is saying that Islamic terrorism is not a matter of concern, but it’s grossly exaggerated.
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
pretty interesting there was more acts of terrorism on us soil by jewish extremists than islamic but surely they were the victims in those....
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
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when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I have been with the FDNY for 10 years now, and on 9/11/01, there were Muslims CELEBRATING in the streets of Brooklyn as the towers came down.
Just as there were Americans celebrating when Afghanistan and Iraq were being obliterated. And just as there were Americans celebrating when U.S-supplied Israeli bombs were landing on Gaza.
Just speaking from my own experience, I believe what you say about Americans celebrating when Iraq was being bombed. Trust me, I don't bleed red white and blue. I know that America is no angel. Like I said, just sharing how I felt at the time.
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Vomikus wrote:
Yes, it is a fact that most terrorists are Muslims, it is a fact.
Dude, that's a flat out insult. Are you fucking kidding me? Really? Let me tell you this Einstein, the us military made up of MOSTLY Christians have killed, no terrorized, more humans in this world than muslims. Of course that was on the orders of the government, but you know what I mean. Our government has killed more inocent people in Iraq then we can count. And that's a FACT. But who cares about Iraqi people right, I mean shit they're only Muslims so fuck them...... :roll:
Sadly it is difficult to truly express how you feel on a blog. I re-read my post and can understand how I sounded ignorant, uneducated, foolish and rascist. Of course you don't know me, but those words DO NOT describe me. I am totally aware of what our gov't has done, the atrocities it has committed. There are so many more that we do not know about. I certainly do not like the state of affairs this world is in. I am aware of the US' past, Christian past (crusades) and the such. I am aware of the evil of the catholic church. I am not a history major, but I know how this country was founded, how we basically took a country away from the Native Americans, and well, we were too lazy to work, so we had African slaves do it. I DO NOT have a false sense of patriotism. I am not naive' and believe that everything the US gov't does is right, far from it. In my last post I was trying to convey a personal experience, being that I was there on 9/11. If you read the whole post you will see that I know that their are peaceful and moral Muslims. I do not categorize ALL Muslims as terrorist, I am not that ignorant. My point was to say that in our world today, RADICAL Muslim Extremeist are killing countless innocents and want to see the world burn. Please don't respond on the innocent civilians that the US military has killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, and everywhere else. I am fully aware of it and I do not choose to ignore it. I do not condone violence of any kind. I sincerely apologize to anyone here I may have offended by my words.
Who the f*ck goes around skinning cats~~Ed
It all comes down to changing your head~~John Lennon
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Yes, it is a fact that most terrorists are Muslims, it is a fact.
All terrorists are Muslims except the 94% that aren't.
CNN recently published an article entitled Study: Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated; according to a study released by Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, “the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.”
Yet, Americans continue to live in mortal fear of radical Islam, a fear propagated and inflamed by right wing Islamophobes. If one follows the cable news networks, it seems as if all terrorists are Muslims. It has even become axiomatic in some circles to chant: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” Muslims and their “leftist dhimmi allies” respond feebly, mentioning Waco as the one counter example, unwittingly affirming the belief that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims.”
But perception is not reality. The data simply does not support such a hasty conclusion. On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on U.S. soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005. That list can be accessed here (scroll down all the way to the bottom). http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/ ... 2_2005.htm
According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.
Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two. It would indeed be very interesting to construct a corresponding pie chart that depicted the level of media coverage of each group. The reason that Muslim apologists and their “leftist dhimmi allies” cannot recall another non-Islamic act of terrorism other than Waco is due to the fact that the media gives menial (if any) coverage to such events. If a terrorist attack does not fit the “Islam is the perennial and existential threat of our times” narrative, it is simply not paid much attention to, which in a circuitous manner reinforces and “proves” the preconceived narrative. It is to such an extent that the average American cannot remember any Jewish or Latino terrorist; why should he when he has never even heard of the Jewish Defense League or the Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros? Surely what he does not know does not exist!
The Islamophobes claim that Islam is intrinsically a terrorist religion. The proof? Well, just about every terrorist attack is Islamic, they retort. Unfortunately for them, that’s not quite true. More like six percent. Using their defunct logic, these right wingers ought now to conclude that nearly all acts of terrorism are committed by Latinos (or Jews). Let them dare say it…they couldn’t; it would be political and social suicide to say such a thing. Most Americans would shut down such talk as bigoted; yet, similar statements continue to be said of Islam, without any repercussions.
The Islamophobes live in a fantasy world where everyone is supposedly too “politically correct” to criticize Islam and Muslims. Yet, the reality is the exact opposite: you can get away with saying anything against the crescent. Can you imagine the reaction if I said that Latinos should be profiled because after all they are the ones who commit the most terrorism in the country? (For the record: I don’t believe in such profiling, because I am–unlike the right wing nutters–a believer in American ideals.)
Nobody is saying that Islamic terrorism is not a matter of concern, but it’s grossly exaggerated.
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
pretty interesting there was more acts of terrorism on us soil by jewish extremists than islamic but surely they were the victims in those....
You can post this CNN circle graph 20 more times if you like. Read my post and you will see I am not the Islamaphobe you may think I am. Like I have said, I sincerely apologize to anyone I may have offended, including you. My words were wrong, and I honestly didn't mean for it to sound rascist, ignorant, or uneducated. I am none of those things, read the above post. I was trying to share a personal experience from 9/11. I DO NOT think all Muslims are terrorist, as I know many hardworking and peaceful Muslims who practice their faith the way it should be. I was specifically speaking about Muslim Extremeist who have attacked or are planning to attack the US. Please do not respond with graphs and percentages on how horrible the US gov't is, or the atrocities of the Catholic church, or the state of affairs in the Mid-East. I am fully aware of these subjects and YES, it bothers me. I am not ignorant to say that the US gov't is peaceful, fighting for freedom and the rights of all those oppresed in the world, that is NOT the case at all. I am fully aware of the countless innocents the US has killed. Too many people have a false and naive sense of patriotism in our country, I am not one of them. Once again, I do apologize if I offended anyone here. I was specifically speaking about Muslim radicalism. If you would like to discuss any of the above topics, I would be glad too.
Who the f*ck goes around skinning cats~~Ed
It all comes down to changing your head~~John Lennon
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You can post this CNN circle graph 20 more times if you like. Read my post and you will see I am not the Islamaphobe you may think I am. Like I have said, I sincerely apologize to anyone I may have offended, including you. My words were wrong, and I honestly didn't mean for it to sound rascist, ignorant, or uneducated. I am none of those things, read the above post. I was trying to share a personal experience from 9/11. I DO NOT think all Muslims are terrorist, as I know many hardworking and peaceful Muslims who practice their faith the way it should be. I was specifically speaking about Muslim Extremeist who have attacked or are planning to attack the US. Please do not respond with graphs and percentages on how horrible the US gov't is, or the atrocities of the Catholic church, or the state of affairs in the Mid-East. I am fully aware of these subjects and YES, it bothers me. I am not ignorant to say that the US gov't is peaceful, fighting for freedom and the rights of all those oppresed in the world, that is NOT the case at all. I am fully aware of the countless innocents the US has killed. Too many people have a false and naive sense of patriotism in our country, I am not one of them. Once again, I do apologize if I offended anyone here. I was specifically speaking about Muslim radicalism. If you would like to discuss any of the above topics, I would be glad too.
In the line of work you are in and what you have had to experience during 9/11 its easy to see how you can get riled up in the heat of things and say things you probably don't mean, its understandable.
I think what you've said right now is classy - and not just because it falls more in line with my beliefs.
Unfortunately I think there have been other posters on the MT lately (or specifically the last few days) that have shown some really ignorant, tasteless, and insulting mindsets which has probably got people a little testy when it comes to these subjects.
To say that most terrorists are Muslim (wow by the way), shows a lack of understanding, depth, and education. You harbour a very scary outlook on life. Get out there and read up on what is going on, educate yourself, I mean, it's just astounding to actually stand over a comment like that.
I fear for the future if that is the level of thinking that passes for knowledge. Looks like all those messages by these hate mongers are really taking hold, and I'm on about some of the media figures in America, the "we love GOD and his message so much, that we're gonna wipe out anyone who gets in our way", brigade.
Forget looking up books, you're already using a tool that can help you - Google that bad boy and get started now.
My choice of words were bad, I admit. Please read my post to see how I feel. What you call me in this post is the exact opposite of who and what I am. You were very quick to call me a hate monger. My point was that Muslim Extremeist fly planes into buildings, and blow themselves up in subways. It is in no way a reflection upon Islam as a whole. I am fully aware of the atrocities the catholic church, the US gov't, Israel, etc.. have committed. Yes, I am aware of the IRA and the terroist attacks they have carried out. I DO NOT hold the opinion that the US should bomb the world cause we have the power to do so. I hate the phrase "God Bless America". I was speaking personally about 9/11. Don't judge a person by one sentence. I do apologize if I offended you or anyone, that was not my intent. Do you have an opinion? Have you personally experienced terrorism? Do you have friends who died on 9/11? Probably not. Just sharing my personal story, that's all. I know how to read and use a computer, thank you. Where are you from if you don't mind my asking?
Who the f*ck goes around skinning cats~~Ed
It all comes down to changing your head~~John Lennon
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alright guys, i think we all can take a break, maybe even go to the ocean and have a smoke in a tree...vomikus, ive accepted your apology. as should everyone else. the man sounds like he's speaking from his heart. lets all relax, including myself, and try to take it easy on each other. i know how hard that can be at times. trust me on this, i know. it isnt easy reading some of the hate thrown at my religion. and i THANK YOU ALL for defending my religion and showing us all that theyre are great humans in the world who educate themselves. wouldnt it be great if they all chose peace over war????? imagine that.......i do EVERYDAY....
great to have it all play out on here. I don't know many people who would feel comfortable talking freely the way we do. Sadly I know a lot of people who have a one track mind about the US, about Christianity, etc... Many people I know choose not to learn the truth, but only to hate and prejudge. I have even heard people blame the oil spill on environmentalists, lol. Many of these people lost many friends and loved ones on 9/11, so I choose not to debate them. It's so easy to hate, so much more difficult to forgive and accept. Anyway, it's nice to hear open minded opinions.
Who the f*ck goes around skinning cats~~Ed
It all comes down to changing your head~~John Lennon
MSG 6-24-08/MSG 5-21-10/Philly MIA 9-2-12/Chicago Wrigley Field 7-19-13/Brooklyn NY 1&2 10-2013/Philly 1&2 10-2013
alright guys, i think we all can take a break, maybe even go to the ocean and have a smoke in a tree...vomikus, ive accepted your apology. as should everyone else. the man sounds like he's speaking from his heart. lets all relax, including myself, and try to take it easy on each other. i know how hard that can be at times. trust me on this, i know. it isnt easy reading some of the hate thrown at my religion. and i THANK YOU ALL for defending my religion and showing us all that theyre are great humans in the world who educate themselves. wouldnt it be great if they all chose peace over war????? imagine that.......i do EVERYDAY....
i have no need to accept anyones apology.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
great to have it all play out on here. I don't know many people who would feel comfortable talking freely the way we do. Sadly I know a lot of people who have a one track mind about the US, about Christianity, etc... Many people I know choose not to learn the truth, but only to hate and prejudge. I have even heard people blame the oil spill on environmentalists, lol. Many of these people lost many friends and loved ones on 9/11, so I choose not to debate them. It's so easy to hate, so much more difficult to forgive and accept. Anyway, it's nice to hear open minded opinions.
dude ... gotta give you props for not only apologizing but doing so with everyone individually ...
To say that most terrorists are Muslim (wow by the way), shows a lack of understanding, depth, and education. You harbour a very scary outlook on life. Get out there and read up on what is going on, educate yourself, I mean, it's just astounding to actually stand over a comment like that.
I fear for the future if that is the level of thinking that passes for knowledge. Looks like all those messages by these hate mongers are really taking hold, and I'm on about some of the media figures in America, the "we love GOD and his message so much, that we're gonna wipe out anyone who gets in our way", brigade.
Forget looking up books, you're already using a tool that can help you - Google that bad boy and get started now.
My choice of words were bad, I admit. Please read my post to see how I feel. What you call me in this post is the exact opposite of who and what I am. You were very quick to call me a hate monger. My point was that Muslim Extremeist fly planes into buildings, and blow themselves up in subways. It is in no way a reflection upon Islam as a whole. I am fully aware of the atrocities the catholic church, the US gov't, Israel, etc.. have committed. Yes, I am aware of the IRA and the terroist attacks they have carried out. I DO NOT hold the opinion that the US should bomb the world cause we have the power to do so. I hate the phrase "God Bless America". I was speaking personally about 9/11. Don't judge a person by one sentence. I do apologize if I offended you or anyone, that was not my intent. Do you have an opinion? Have you personally experienced terrorism? Do you have friends who died on 9/11? Probably not. Just sharing my personal story, that's all. I know how to read and use a computer, thank you. Where are you from if you don't mind my asking?
Firstly, I agree with the sentiments of most here when they say fair play for the apology, really shows character. You didn't offend me at all, it was more of a shock to read what you wrote, and I get that you feel I shouldn't judge you by one sentence, I understand, however when all we have to go on here is what is written then it becomes hard to do otherwise.
To answer some of your questions,
1. Yes I do have an opinion on the subject matter.
2. I have been personally affected by terrorist acts (although i do use that term terrorism loosly as I always believe it's an incredibly subjective term to use, perspective and all that)
3. No I did not know anyone who died on 9/11, however, I do not believe having known anyone who did lose their life gives me anymore authority on the subject of terrorism.
4. I'm from the Republic of Ireland
Again, hats off on apologising, and I also apologise if I in any way offended you.
Firstly, I agree with the sentiments of most here when they say fair play for the apology, really shows character. You didn't offend me at all, it was more of a shock to read what you wrote, and I get that you feel I shouldn't judge you by one sentence, I understand, however when all we have to go on here is what is written then it becomes hard to do otherwise.
To answer some of your questions,
1. Yes I do have an opinion on the subject matter.
2. I have been personally affected by terrorist acts (although i do use that term terrorism loosly as I always believe it's an incredibly subjective term to use, perspective and all that)
3. No I did not know anyone who died on 9/11, however, I do not believe having known anyone who did lose their life gives me anymore authority on the subject of terrorism.
4. I'm from the Republic of Ireland
Again, hats off on apologising, and I also apologise if I in any way offended you.[/quote]
You didn't offend me at all. I was wrong in using the words that I did originally. You were not only right but obligated to respond the way you did. I just didn't want to portay a narrow minded individual. Ireland, great place!!
Who the f*ck goes around skinning cats~~Ed
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I look forward to reading how the right-wing Islamaphobes on this website try wriggling out of this one.
I fear for the future if that is the level of thinking that passes for knowledge. Looks like all those messages by these hate mongers are really taking hold, and I'm on about some of the media figures in America, the "we love GOD and his message so much, that we're gonna wipe out anyone who gets in our way", brigade.
Forget looking up books, you're already using a tool that can help you - Google that bad boy and get started now.
i'm guessing he's on a break now ...
Well....I'm still ok with this. I wish it was the same for radical jewish, radical christians, radical "insert religion here"...too though.
Interesting article. Thanks.
+1
:roll:
pretty interesting there was more acts of terrorism on us soil by jewish extremists than islamic but surely they were the victims in those....
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
once again ive got to say...
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Just speaking from my own experience, I believe what you say about Americans celebrating when Iraq was being bombed. Trust me, I don't bleed red white and blue. I know that America is no angel. Like I said, just sharing how I felt at the time.
It all comes down to changing your head~~John Lennon
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Sadly it is difficult to truly express how you feel on a blog. I re-read my post and can understand how I sounded ignorant, uneducated, foolish and rascist. Of course you don't know me, but those words DO NOT describe me. I am totally aware of what our gov't has done, the atrocities it has committed. There are so many more that we do not know about. I certainly do not like the state of affairs this world is in. I am aware of the US' past, Christian past (crusades) and the such. I am aware of the evil of the catholic church. I am not a history major, but I know how this country was founded, how we basically took a country away from the Native Americans, and well, we were too lazy to work, so we had African slaves do it. I DO NOT have a false sense of patriotism. I am not naive' and believe that everything the US gov't does is right, far from it. In my last post I was trying to convey a personal experience, being that I was there on 9/11. If you read the whole post you will see that I know that their are peaceful and moral Muslims. I do not categorize ALL Muslims as terrorist, I am not that ignorant. My point was to say that in our world today, RADICAL Muslim Extremeist are killing countless innocents and want to see the world burn. Please don't respond on the innocent civilians that the US military has killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, and everywhere else. I am fully aware of it and I do not choose to ignore it. I do not condone violence of any kind. I sincerely apologize to anyone here I may have offended by my words.
It all comes down to changing your head~~John Lennon
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You can post this CNN circle graph 20 more times if you like. Read my post and you will see I am not the Islamaphobe you may think I am. Like I have said, I sincerely apologize to anyone I may have offended, including you. My words were wrong, and I honestly didn't mean for it to sound rascist, ignorant, or uneducated. I am none of those things, read the above post. I was trying to share a personal experience from 9/11. I DO NOT think all Muslims are terrorist, as I know many hardworking and peaceful Muslims who practice their faith the way it should be. I was specifically speaking about Muslim Extremeist who have attacked or are planning to attack the US. Please do not respond with graphs and percentages on how horrible the US gov't is, or the atrocities of the Catholic church, or the state of affairs in the Mid-East. I am fully aware of these subjects and YES, it bothers me. I am not ignorant to say that the US gov't is peaceful, fighting for freedom and the rights of all those oppresed in the world, that is NOT the case at all. I am fully aware of the countless innocents the US has killed. Too many people have a false and naive sense of patriotism in our country, I am not one of them. Once again, I do apologize if I offended anyone here. I was specifically speaking about Muslim radicalism. If you would like to discuss any of the above topics, I would be glad too.
It all comes down to changing your head~~John Lennon
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I think what you've said right now is classy - and not just because it falls more in line with my beliefs.
Unfortunately I think there have been other posters on the MT lately (or specifically the last few days) that have shown some really ignorant, tasteless, and insulting mindsets which has probably got people a little testy when it comes to these subjects.
My choice of words were bad, I admit. Please read my post to see how I feel. What you call me in this post is the exact opposite of who and what I am. You were very quick to call me a hate monger. My point was that Muslim Extremeist fly planes into buildings, and blow themselves up in subways. It is in no way a reflection upon Islam as a whole. I am fully aware of the atrocities the catholic church, the US gov't, Israel, etc.. have committed. Yes, I am aware of the IRA and the terroist attacks they have carried out. I DO NOT hold the opinion that the US should bomb the world cause we have the power to do so. I hate the phrase "God Bless America". I was speaking personally about 9/11. Don't judge a person by one sentence. I do apologize if I offended you or anyone, that was not my intent. Do you have an opinion? Have you personally experienced terrorism? Do you have friends who died on 9/11? Probably not. Just sharing my personal story, that's all. I know how to read and use a computer, thank you. Where are you from if you don't mind my asking?
It all comes down to changing your head~~John Lennon
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It all comes down to changing your head~~John Lennon
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i have no need to accept anyones apology.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
dude ... gotta give you props for not only apologizing but doing so with everyone individually ...
Firstly, I agree with the sentiments of most here when they say fair play for the apology, really shows character. You didn't offend me at all, it was more of a shock to read what you wrote, and I get that you feel I shouldn't judge you by one sentence, I understand, however when all we have to go on here is what is written then it becomes hard to do otherwise.
To answer some of your questions,
1. Yes I do have an opinion on the subject matter.
2. I have been personally affected by terrorist acts (although i do use that term terrorism loosly as I always believe it's an incredibly subjective term to use, perspective and all that)
3. No I did not know anyone who died on 9/11, however, I do not believe having known anyone who did lose their life gives me anymore authority on the subject of terrorism.
4. I'm from the Republic of Ireland
Again, hats off on apologising, and I also apologise if I in any way offended you.
To answer some of your questions,
1. Yes I do have an opinion on the subject matter.
2. I have been personally affected by terrorist acts (although i do use that term terrorism loosly as I always believe it's an incredibly subjective term to use, perspective and all that)
3. No I did not know anyone who died on 9/11, however, I do not believe having known anyone who did lose their life gives me anymore authority on the subject of terrorism.
4. I'm from the Republic of Ireland
Again, hats off on apologising, and I also apologise if I in any way offended you.[/quote]
You didn't offend me at all. I was wrong in using the words that I did originally. You were not only right but obligated to respond the way you did. I just didn't want to portay a narrow minded individual. Ireland, great place!!
It all comes down to changing your head~~John Lennon
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