But you see, that's the point. The world does hear from moderate Muslims, all the time. Remember, just because you don't hear them doesn't mean they do not exist.
I know you're right, BUT if they don't speak up they will be consider part of fundamentalist, like a crime from omission, those who stand by the side without doing something are just as part of the problem as the fundamentalist.
Yeah that's true. I suppose the point I was making, long winded I know, was that the OP was saying that all muslims must be tared with the same brush, I was just trying to throw out some perspective. I agree with you though, more can and should be done by the majority, however, I think everyone has a part to play in that, and the whole religion cloak of convinience needs to be removed and proper dialogue opened. The news also has to begin reporting the truth.
First, I respect your thoughtful tone in this discussion, but I must disagree w/ you on a couple of things.
You said:
"This whole religion thing gets played out way too much in the media, and unfortunatly, opinions like this seem to be the end result. It is much easier for FOX and the rest of the news networks to refer to Muslim terrorists rather than actually report why these people are so disenfrancished (i suppose that doesn't fit into the 30 second blurb). It's when the viewer takes no responsibility for their own further learning on the subject that leads to these sweeping and dangerous generalities."
-You stated that my opinion is the result of biased news-media. Its not the media "playing the whole religion thing" out. Suicide bombers and vehicle-born IED's are real, and it is Muslims killing not just Jews and Christians, but other Muslims as well. The violence is real, and it must be stopped.
-You seem to think that if American news would report how "disenfranchised" these people are, we would understand their feelings better, and what? then the terrorists would just leave us alone? B/C now somebody "feels" their pain? Being dienfranchised, by a real or perceived enemy, is NO excuse for murder- and the Koran says so.
-Finally, b/c you disagree w/ my opinion, you said I come across as bigoted and uninformed. I have studied the Middle East, I have served in the military, and I have trained our soldiers and airmen how to survive IED and suicide attacks. I am well acquainted with the global crisis, and no, the complete collapse of the Middle Eastern Empires, the rise of Islamic states and the economic, social, and political fallout that, as a result, still still plagues those states today cannot be covered in a 30 second news blurb.
I have yet to hear a Muslim say, "There are Muslims who are hijacking our faith, and killing innocents. The Koran says murder is wrong, and as a Muslim I condemn it."
All I hear is justifications (disenfranchised), excuses (we're misunderstood), and blame of others (fox news).
"There are Muslims who are hijacking our faith, and killing innocents. The Koran says murder is wrong, and as a Muslim I condemn it."
I borrowed your quote and I'll say it OUTLOUD!!!
Now that you ate your wheaties, can you answer my question I asked YOU? And please dnt say what question. It's the question about your Torah I asked you earlier. Please, take your time, maybe you're out to lunch now???
I have yet to hear a Muslim say, "There are Muslims who are hijacking our faith, and killing innocents. The Koran says murder is wrong, and as a Muslim I condemn it."
Then nothing that anyone here says will change your thoughts... there HAVE been MANY Muslims who have said the exact same things over and over again.... just because you didn't hear it (or pay attention to it), doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.
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I'd like to hear it from some of the Muslims I'm discussing it with on this site.
JB'sMomisinmybed,
Ok, the one Muslim in this thread has condemned it, and go to youtube and search for Muslims condemning violence or terrorism or whatever, and you will see lots of other Muslims condemning in on really every media outlet known to man... what more do you really want? It's obvious that you have a misguided opinion about Islam, and no matter what anyone says or does will change it.
Do you think all Christians believe in what the Westboro Baptist Church believes in?
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Great posts here, even by JB, the guy/gal everyone seems to be fighting with, at least he is strong in his/her opinions, as all of you are.
I am not sure if this is relevant or not, but I feel compelled to type it out:
I have been with the FDNY for 10 years now, and on 9/11/01, there were Muslims CELEBRATING in the streets of Brooklyn as the towers came down. Now of course, at the time, I wanted to beat everyone of them. How can people who claim to love America celebrate this heinous act in our own backyard? It's been almost 9 years now, the anger has naturally faded away. I'd like to think I am a little older and wiser, well I am definetly older, but I am only 29, lol, anyway. What I am trying to say is that I agree with a lot of posts here. Religion is what you make of it, it's what you want it to be for you. Sadly, through the course of history we have seen how horrible people can be in the name of religion, as they were on 9/11. Let's not be as ignorant as them. Yes, it is a fact that most terrorists are Muslims, it is a fact. Of course, we have our McVeighs and such too. For the people who use it correctly, for the people who are peaceful and understand their religion, then religion is a beautiful thing. That includes all religions, Christianity to Muslim and everything in between. It doesn't come down to religion, it comes down to the individual, and some people want to see the world burn. Be better than them. Most terrorists being Muslim in todays world is not an opinion or stereotype. It is a fact. But, don't be ignorant to believe all muslims are terrorist. The Koran rejects violence, and yes that has been said in the media. Living in NYC, needless to say, we have a large diversity of people, and we have plenty of Muslims here, hardworking and peaceful Muslims. Let's all do the best we can. Ok, if anyone see's my point in this post, please let me know. Thx
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Great posts here, even by JB, the guy/gal everyone seems to be fighting with, at least he is strong in his/her opinions, as all of you are.
I am not sure if this is relevant or not, but I feel compelled to type it out:
I have been with the FDNY for 10 years now, and on 9/11/01, there were Muslims CELEBRATING in the streets of Brooklyn as the towers came down. Now of course, at the time, I wanted to beat everyone of them. How can people who claim to love America celebrate this heinous act in our own backyard? It's been almost 9 years now, the anger has naturally faded away. I'd like to think I am a little older and wiser, well I am definetly older, but I am only 29, lol, anyway. What I am trying to say is that I agree with a lot of posts here. Religion is what you make of it, it's what you want it to be for you. Sadly, through the course of history we have seen how horrible people can be in the name of religion, as they were on 9/11. Let's not be as ignorant as them. Yes, it is a fact that most terrorists are Muslims, it is a fact. Of course, we have our McVeighs and such too. For the people who use it correctly, for the people who are peaceful and understand their religion, then religion is a beautiful thing. That includes all religions, Christianity to Muslim and everything in between. It doesn't come down to religion, it comes down to the individual, and some people want to see the world burn. Be better than them. Most terrorists being Muslim in todays world is not an opinion or stereotype. It is a fact. But, don't be ignorant to believe all muslims are terrorist. The Koran rejects violence, and yes that has been said in the media. Living in NYC, needless to say, we have a large diversity of people, and we have plenty of Muslims here, hardworking and peaceful Muslims. Let's all do the best we can. Ok, if anyone see's my point in this post, please let me know. Thx
Good posts....
While we are complaining about stereotyping religions and such, one HUGE pet peeve of mine is people who make the connection of middle eastern looking people = muslim = terrorist...
You see/hear comments all of the time about terrorist/bin Laden/9-11/Iraq, etc... directed at Indian people, Sikhs (turban = terrorist), etc.
It often amazes me how ignorant people are in their hatred.
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I am an honorary member of the Brown Mafia.
My best friend for 20 yrs is Sri Lankan, and i hung out w/ a large group of them in HSchool. They all called themselves the Brown Mafia.
To the point: I was suprised to learn as a teenager that Indians (Sri Lanka is an island off India) and Pakistanis (?) hated eachother. Now they both got the bomb and feelings haven't much changed.
Like most other kids, I couldn't tell a Paki from and Indian, but if you made the mistake- THEY let you know it!
point: A turban does not a terrorist make. (but Im still hurt that you called me a moron.)
But you see, that's the point. The world does hear from moderate Muslims, all the time. Remember, just because you don't hear them doesn't mean they do not exist.
I know you're right, BUT if they don't speak up they will be consider part of fundamentalist, like a crime from omission, those who stand by the side without doing something are just as part of the problem as the fundamentalist.
muslims DO speak out against these things, it's just not that newsworthy and doesn't fit in with their agenda.
for example - how many here know that when 9/11 happened there were candlelight vigils in Gaza and other parts of the occupied territories? how many know that before Iran played a soccer game in Tehran they had a moment of silence for the victims?
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for example - how many here know that when 9/11 happened there were candlelight vigils in Gaza and other parts of the occupied territories? how many know that before Iran played a soccer game in Tehran they had a moment of silence for the victims?[/quote]
There ya go, I didn't know it, but I believe it. My point exactly is that it comes down to the individual, we all choose our paths in life, religion is just the excuse to be evil. Religion can be beautiful and peaceful, but like everything else, it is what you make of it and how you decide to use it.
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What about the Torah? Founding reilgious document of Judaism, and also the first group (5 or 6) of Old Testament books- i think- it's been a while.
What about it?
I can speak for myself as I'm reading through the bible currently.
But the first 6 books of the bible is a big hodge podge of different sources. "God" is a complete bastard who constantly seeks blood sacrifice and total obedience on the threat of death. And massacring other peoples are just a matter of them being "in the way". (Funny how stuff can be "in the way" for God)
All in all a ragtag collection of myths, old (mostly harsh) hebrew laws and a mythology that justifies murdering your neighbours as they are infringing on your "granted lands". (Says the book they wrote.) If you go on to Joshua, it's actually even worse.
Almost done with the OT now, and I am personally gonna scoff at just about any verse thrown at me from that part part of the book as it is for the most part vile if you factor in the context in which things are said.
Haven't read the Koran, but expect it to be slightly better, since it comes 1-2000 years later. It will still be 1400 years old and filled with vile stuff too, to be fair.
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This happened in Turkey a couple months ago. The 16 yr old girl was buried by her family b/c she talked to a boy!!
Why are Jews vilified on this site by young people in my generation, while in Muslim countries these kind of atrocities toward women occur daily, and are NEVER mentioned? These people are barbaric!!!
Where's the ladies on this?
By 'these people' are you generalizing all Muslims? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say you did not intend to put such a negative stereotype on one whole group.
This happened in Turkey a couple months ago. The 16 yr old girl was buried by her family b/c she talked to a boy!!
Why are Jews vilified on this site by young people in my generation, while in Muslim countries these kind of atrocities toward women occur daily, and are NEVER mentioned? These people are barbaric!!!
Where's the ladies on this?
Such killings are barbaric, and the people who carry them out are fucked in the head.
Although whether such things occur on a daily basis is debatable.
Also, when you say 'these people', who are you referring to? The fanatics who kill their children for talking to the wrong people/sex, all Muslims, or all brown skinned people?
BUT- if you are not, and you really do adhere to the TRUE tenets, the 5 Pillars, and are a person of peace and faith, then BE A VOICE for Islam- a voice that CONDEMNS these radical ideologists that have hijacked your peaceful faith.
The world need to hear from those that, like you say, practice "True Islam".
But why is it so quiet?
Why are you so quiet about the crimes of your own government?
I have been with the FDNY for 10 years now, and on 9/11/01, there were Muslims CELEBRATING in the streets of Brooklyn as the towers came down.
Just as there were Americans celebrating when Afghanistan and Iraq were being obliterated. And just as there were Americans celebrating when U.S-supplied Israeli bombs were landing on Gaza.
Vomikus wrote:
Yes, it is a fact that most terrorists are Muslims, it is a fact.
Dude, that's a flat out insult. Are you fucking kidding me? Really? Let me tell you this Einstein, the us military made up of MOSTLY Christians have killed, no terrorized, more humans in this world than muslims. Of course that was on the orders of the government, but you know what I mean. Our government has killed more inocent people in Iraq then we can count. And that's a FACT. But who cares about Iraqi people right, I mean shit they're only Muslims so fuck them...... :roll:
Vomikus wrote:
Yes, it is a fact that most terrorists are Muslims, it is a fact.
Dude, that's a flat out insult. Are you fucking kidding me? Really? Let me tell you this Einstein, the us military made up of MOSTLY Christians have killed, no terrorized, more humans in this world than muslims. Of course that was on the orders of the government, but you know what I mean. Our government has killed more inocent people in Iraq then we can count. And that's a FACT. But who cares about Iraqi people right, I mean shit they're only Muslims so fuck them...... :roll:
hes talking about 'real' terrorists. not those that hide behind the cloke of democracy and freedom BB.
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Vomikus wrote:
Yes, it is a fact that most terrorists are Muslims, it is a fact.
Dude, that's a flat out insult. Are you fucking kidding me? Really? Let me tell you this Einstein, the us military made up of MOSTLY Christians have killed, no terrorized, more humans in this world than muslims. Of course that was on the orders of the government, but you know what I mean. Our government has killed more inocent people in Iraq then we can count. And that's a FACT. But who cares about Iraqi people right, I mean shit they're only Muslims so fuck them...... :roll:
But don't you know that anyone who represents U.S. interests cannot, by definition, be a terrorist? :roll:
Yes, it is a fact that most terrorists are Muslims, it is a fact.
All terrorists are Muslims except the 94% that aren't.
CNN recently published an article entitled Study: Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated; according to a study released by Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, “the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.”
Yet, Americans continue to live in mortal fear of radical Islam, a fear propagated and inflamed by right wing Islamophobes. If one follows the cable news networks, it seems as if all terrorists are Muslims. It has even become axiomatic in some circles to chant: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” Muslims and their “leftist dhimmi allies” respond feebly, mentioning Waco as the one counter example, unwittingly affirming the belief that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims.”
But perception is not reality. The data simply does not support such a hasty conclusion. On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on U.S. soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005. That list can be accessed here (scroll down all the way to the bottom). http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/ ... 2_2005.htm
According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.
Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two. It would indeed be very interesting to construct a corresponding pie chart that depicted the level of media coverage of each group. The reason that Muslim apologists and their “leftist dhimmi allies” cannot recall another non-Islamic act of terrorism other than Waco is due to the fact that the media gives menial (if any) coverage to such events. If a terrorist attack does not fit the “Islam is the perennial and existential threat of our times” narrative, it is simply not paid much attention to, which in a circuitous manner reinforces and “proves” the preconceived narrative. It is to such an extent that the average American cannot remember any Jewish or Latino terrorist; why should he when he has never even heard of the Jewish Defense League or the Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros? Surely what he does not know does not exist!
The Islamophobes claim that Islam is intrinsically a terrorist religion. The proof? Well, just about every terrorist attack is Islamic, they retort. Unfortunately for them, that’s not quite true. More like six percent. Using their defunct logic, these right wingers ought now to conclude that nearly all acts of terrorism are committed by Latinos (or Jews). Let them dare say it…they couldn’t; it would be political and social suicide to say such a thing. Most Americans would shut down such talk as bigoted; yet, similar statements continue to be said of Islam, without any repercussions.
The Islamophobes live in a fantasy world where everyone is supposedly too “politically correct” to criticize Islam and Muslims. Yet, the reality is the exact opposite: you can get away with saying anything against the crescent. Can you imagine the reaction if I said that Latinos should be profiled because after all they are the ones who commit the most terrorism in the country? (For the record: I don’t believe in such profiling, because I am–unlike the right wing nutters–a believer in American ideals.)
Nobody is saying that Islamic terrorism is not a matter of concern, but it’s grossly exaggerated.
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
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Yeah that's true. I suppose the point I was making, long winded I know, was that the OP was saying that all muslims must be tared with the same brush, I was just trying to throw out some perspective. I agree with you though, more can and should be done by the majority, however, I think everyone has a part to play in that, and the whole religion cloak of convinience needs to be removed and proper dialogue opened. The news also has to begin reporting the truth.
First, I respect your thoughtful tone in this discussion, but I must disagree w/ you on a couple of things.
You said:
"This whole religion thing gets played out way too much in the media, and unfortunatly, opinions like this seem to be the end result. It is much easier for FOX and the rest of the news networks to refer to Muslim terrorists rather than actually report why these people are so disenfrancished (i suppose that doesn't fit into the 30 second blurb). It's when the viewer takes no responsibility for their own further learning on the subject that leads to these sweeping and dangerous generalities."
-You stated that my opinion is the result of biased news-media. Its not the media "playing the whole religion thing" out. Suicide bombers and vehicle-born IED's are real, and it is Muslims killing not just Jews and Christians, but other Muslims as well. The violence is real, and it must be stopped.
-You seem to think that if American news would report how "disenfranchised" these people are, we would understand their feelings better, and what? then the terrorists would just leave us alone? B/C now somebody "feels" their pain? Being dienfranchised, by a real or perceived enemy, is NO excuse for murder- and the Koran says so.
-Finally, b/c you disagree w/ my opinion, you said I come across as bigoted and uninformed. I have studied the Middle East, I have served in the military, and I have trained our soldiers and airmen how to survive IED and suicide attacks. I am well acquainted with the global crisis, and no, the complete collapse of the Middle Eastern Empires, the rise of Islamic states and the economic, social, and political fallout that, as a result, still still plagues those states today cannot be covered in a 30 second news blurb.
I have yet to hear a Muslim say, "There are Muslims who are hijacking our faith, and killing innocents. The Koran says murder is wrong, and as a Muslim I condemn it."
All I hear is justifications (disenfranchised), excuses (we're misunderstood), and blame of others (fox news).
I am standing "over" my point, as you put it.
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I borrowed your quote and I'll say it OUTLOUD!!!
Now that you ate your wheaties, can you answer my question I asked YOU? And please dnt say what question. It's the question about your Torah I asked you earlier. Please, take your time, maybe you're out to lunch now???
Then nothing that anyone here says will change your thoughts... there HAVE been MANY Muslims who have said the exact same things over and over again.... just because you didn't hear it (or pay attention to it), doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.
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I'd like to hear it from some of the Muslims I'm discussing it with on this site.
I JUST SAID IT, what are you blind now too?????
Oh and you still haven't answered my question???? I'll check back after you've had dinner... :roll:
JB'sMomisinmybed,
Ok, the one Muslim in this thread has condemned it, and go to youtube and search for Muslims condemning violence or terrorism or whatever, and you will see lots of other Muslims condemning in on really every media outlet known to man... what more do you really want? It's obvious that you have a misguided opinion about Islam, and no matter what anyone says or does will change it.
Do you think all Christians believe in what the Westboro Baptist Church believes in?
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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I am not sure if this is relevant or not, but I feel compelled to type it out:
I have been with the FDNY for 10 years now, and on 9/11/01, there were Muslims CELEBRATING in the streets of Brooklyn as the towers came down. Now of course, at the time, I wanted to beat everyone of them. How can people who claim to love America celebrate this heinous act in our own backyard? It's been almost 9 years now, the anger has naturally faded away. I'd like to think I am a little older and wiser, well I am definetly older, but I am only 29, lol, anyway. What I am trying to say is that I agree with a lot of posts here. Religion is what you make of it, it's what you want it to be for you. Sadly, through the course of history we have seen how horrible people can be in the name of religion, as they were on 9/11. Let's not be as ignorant as them. Yes, it is a fact that most terrorists are Muslims, it is a fact. Of course, we have our McVeighs and such too. For the people who use it correctly, for the people who are peaceful and understand their religion, then religion is a beautiful thing. That includes all religions, Christianity to Muslim and everything in between. It doesn't come down to religion, it comes down to the individual, and some people want to see the world burn. Be better than them. Most terrorists being Muslim in todays world is not an opinion or stereotype. It is a fact. But, don't be ignorant to believe all muslims are terrorist. The Koran rejects violence, and yes that has been said in the media. Living in NYC, needless to say, we have a large diversity of people, and we have plenty of Muslims here, hardworking and peaceful Muslims. Let's all do the best we can. Ok, if anyone see's my point in this post, please let me know. Thx
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Ok, badbrains, I hear you.
What about the Torah? Founding reilgious document of Judaism, and also the first group (5 or 6) of Old Testament books- i think- it's been a while.
What about it?
Good posts....
While we are complaining about stereotyping religions and such, one HUGE pet peeve of mine is people who make the connection of middle eastern looking people = muslim = terrorist...
You see/hear comments all of the time about terrorist/bin Laden/9-11/Iraq, etc... directed at Indian people, Sikhs (turban = terrorist), etc.
It often amazes me how ignorant people are in their hatred.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I am an honorary member of the Brown Mafia.
My best friend for 20 yrs is Sri Lankan, and i hung out w/ a large group of them in HSchool. They all called themselves the Brown Mafia.
To the point: I was suprised to learn as a teenager that Indians (Sri Lanka is an island off India) and Pakistanis (?) hated eachother. Now they both got the bomb and feelings haven't much changed.
Like most other kids, I couldn't tell a Paki from and Indian, but if you made the mistake- THEY let you know it!
point: A turban does not a terrorist make. (but Im still hurt that you called me a moron.)
muslims DO speak out against these things, it's just not that newsworthy and doesn't fit in with their agenda.
for example - how many here know that when 9/11 happened there were candlelight vigils in Gaza and other parts of the occupied territories? how many know that before Iran played a soccer game in Tehran they had a moment of silence for the victims?
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when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
There ya go, I didn't know it, but I believe it. My point exactly is that it comes down to the individual, we all choose our paths in life, religion is just the excuse to be evil. Religion can be beautiful and peaceful, but like everything else, it is what you make of it and how you decide to use it.
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I can speak for myself as I'm reading through the bible currently.
But the first 6 books of the bible is a big hodge podge of different sources. "God" is a complete bastard who constantly seeks blood sacrifice and total obedience on the threat of death. And massacring other peoples are just a matter of them being "in the way". (Funny how stuff can be "in the way" for God)
All in all a ragtag collection of myths, old (mostly harsh) hebrew laws and a mythology that justifies murdering your neighbours as they are infringing on your "granted lands". (Says the book they wrote.) If you go on to Joshua, it's actually even worse.
Almost done with the OT now, and I am personally gonna scoff at just about any verse thrown at me from that part part of the book as it is for the most part vile if you factor in the context in which things are said.
Haven't read the Koran, but expect it to be slightly better, since it comes 1-2000 years later. It will still be 1400 years old and filled with vile stuff too, to be fair.
Peace
Dan
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By 'these people' are you generalizing all Muslims? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say you did not intend to put such a negative stereotype on one whole group.
Must mean all Christians are as despicable.
Such killings are barbaric, and the people who carry them out are fucked in the head.
Although whether such things occur on a daily basis is debatable.
Also, when you say 'these people', who are you referring to? The fanatics who kill their children for talking to the wrong people/sex, all Muslims, or all brown skinned people?
One of the most ignorant posts I've read in four years on this message board.
As for reading a book, I doubt you even know what a book looks like.
Why are you so quiet about the crimes of your own government?
And what do you really know about Islam? Nothing.
Just as there were Americans celebrating when Afghanistan and Iraq were being obliterated. And just as there were Americans celebrating when U.S-supplied Israeli bombs were landing on Gaza.
This from someone who's every other post is an insult.
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Yes, it is a fact that most terrorists are Muslims, it is a fact.
Dude, that's a flat out insult. Are you fucking kidding me? Really? Let me tell you this Einstein, the us military made up of MOSTLY Christians have killed, no terrorized, more humans in this world than muslims. Of course that was on the orders of the government, but you know what I mean. Our government has killed more inocent people in Iraq then we can count. And that's a FACT. But who cares about Iraqi people right, I mean shit they're only Muslims so fuck them...... :roll:
hes talking about 'real' terrorists. not those that hide behind the cloke of democracy and freedom BB.
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But don't you know that anyone who represents U.S. interests cannot, by definition, be a terrorist? :roll:
The IDF and MOSSAD are also not Muslims.
Very good ladies. I love it, see, they'res a few ladies on this board who aren't of the sheep type!!! Thanks ladies, awesome replies....
You have zero understanding of American history.
It was only a matter of time before you and the likes of Brynzie the Bigot hijack this thread for your hateful propaganda.
Later Haters.
Later!
All terrorists are Muslims except the 94% that aren't.
CNN recently published an article entitled Study: Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated; according to a study released by Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, “the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.”
Yet, Americans continue to live in mortal fear of radical Islam, a fear propagated and inflamed by right wing Islamophobes. If one follows the cable news networks, it seems as if all terrorists are Muslims. It has even become axiomatic in some circles to chant: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” Muslims and their “leftist dhimmi allies” respond feebly, mentioning Waco as the one counter example, unwittingly affirming the belief that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims.”
But perception is not reality. The data simply does not support such a hasty conclusion. On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on U.S. soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005. That list can be accessed here (scroll down all the way to the bottom).
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/ ... 2_2005.htm
According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.
Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two. It would indeed be very interesting to construct a corresponding pie chart that depicted the level of media coverage of each group. The reason that Muslim apologists and their “leftist dhimmi allies” cannot recall another non-Islamic act of terrorism other than Waco is due to the fact that the media gives menial (if any) coverage to such events. If a terrorist attack does not fit the “Islam is the perennial and existential threat of our times” narrative, it is simply not paid much attention to, which in a circuitous manner reinforces and “proves” the preconceived narrative. It is to such an extent that the average American cannot remember any Jewish or Latino terrorist; why should he when he has never even heard of the Jewish Defense League or the Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros? Surely what he does not know does not exist!
The Islamophobes claim that Islam is intrinsically a terrorist religion. The proof? Well, just about every terrorist attack is Islamic, they retort. Unfortunately for them, that’s not quite true. More like six percent. Using their defunct logic, these right wingers ought now to conclude that nearly all acts of terrorism are committed by Latinos (or Jews). Let them dare say it…they couldn’t; it would be political and social suicide to say such a thing. Most Americans would shut down such talk as bigoted; yet, similar statements continue to be said of Islam, without any repercussions.
The Islamophobes live in a fantasy world where everyone is supposedly too “politically correct” to criticize Islam and Muslims. Yet, the reality is the exact opposite: you can get away with saying anything against the crescent. Can you imagine the reaction if I said that Latinos should be profiled because after all they are the ones who commit the most terrorism in the country? (For the record: I don’t believe in such profiling, because I am–unlike the right wing nutters–a believer in American ideals.)
Nobody is saying that Islamic terrorism is not a matter of concern, but it’s grossly exaggerated.
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-al ... e-muslims/