Mosque at Ground Zero

badbrains

vomikus39 wrote:

I live in NYC and from what I have been hearing and reading is that many people are concerned about who the person is running the Mosque. Apparently there seems to be a feeling of terrorist ties and funding. I don't know the whole story, and of course do not take the newspaper literally, especially the New York Post, but thought I'd share that info.

The post is soo anti-Muslim it's not even funny. It's pretty sad. The best part is that the muslim writers on that paper seem to me like they're full blown Zionists. That papers been spewing hate for as long as I've been reading it, always adding fuel to the fire. Thank god I moved to Cali so I dnt have to have Zionism shoved down my throat from all the ny papers. Honestly, sometimes I felt like I was in Israel reading there paper. That's how crazy there paper is. Suicide bomber blows up a bus with 4 dead would be front page news with a 4 page spread. Yet Israel will drop a bomb on a school killi g 20+ children gets a 2in X 3in little paragraph in the middle of the classified section. Serious, no bullshit. Yup, our media is so unbiased. They report the TRUTH! :roll:

keeponrockin

Godfather. wrote:

has anybody studied the koran (spelling ?) or muslim bible ? I have not but keep hearing stories about Americans being the bad people of this world , anybody know anything about it ?

Godfather.

One thing interesting.. According to SOME of the Koran, people 'of the book' are blessed people, meaning Jews and Christians...

keeponrockin

Godfather. wrote:

cool that's what I was looking for ! how do people go about finding this info ?

Godfather.

I took a class comparing Judaism to Christianity to Islam. Interesting shit.

(sorry for the double post)

acoustic guy

Your Mom Is Sleeping Over wrote:

Don't you mean your "Don't talk to people with opposing viewpoints" sign?

I believe B.O. is a Muslim, and I acknowledge that it would hard to prove he is or isn't- and that at this point it is irrelevant.

However, the post is regarding 9/11 Ground Zero site- which is considered a burial site b/c of the people that died there, and the fact that many remains were unrecoverable there.

I submit that anyone who cannot, at the least, understand why that might be offensive to families of murdered Americans is not discussing the subject open-mindedly.

Not a troll, just diferent than you. Where's your compassionate inclusiveness?

Very very well said.....Its about fucking respect.

acoustic guy

TriumphantAngel wrote:

vomikus39 wrote:

I live in NYC and from what I have been hearing and reading is that many people are concerned about who the person is running the Mosque. Apparently there seems to be a feeling of terrorist ties and funding. I don't know the whole story, and of course do not take the newspaper literally, especially the New York Post, but thought I'd share that info.

and this is exactly the point i was trying to make the other day when i posted the information from the FBI site, to which no one other than Byrnzie and Pepe commented on.

it is not acceptable to me that someone can just make all sorts of accusations based on 'feelings' when they do not have evidence of what they are talking about. why even say that? why repeat it? that's so wrong on every level.

facts are are different story. provide proof of terrorist ties and funding and then we can have a discussion.

Dont you think its at least cause to research the matter further? How stupid would you feel if it turned out the terrorist ties were true?

TriumphantAngel

acoustic guy wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

vomikus39 wrote:

I live in NYC and from what I have been hearing and reading is that many people are concerned about who the person is running the Mosque. Apparently there seems to be a feeling of terrorist ties and funding. I don't know the whole story, and of course do not take the newspaper literally, especially the New York Post, but thought I'd share that info.

and this is exactly the point i was trying to make the other day when i posted the information from the FBI site, to which no one other than Byrnzie and Pepe commented on.

it is not acceptable to me that someone can just make all sorts of accusations based on 'feelings' when they do not have evidence of what they are talking about. why even say that? why repeat it? that's so wrong on every level.

facts are are different story. provide proof of terrorist ties and funding and then we can have a discussion.

Dont you think its at least cause to research the matter further? How stupid would you feel if it turned out the terrorist ties were true?

why would i feel stupid? i said it's not acceptable to me to make accusations based on feelings alone without evidence. it's nothing but fearmongering. if it was me i would research the matter before making statements i can't back up. but hey, that's just me.

what i did say was provide proof of terrorist ties and funding and then when can have a discussion.

i don't feel the slightest bit stupid about saying that. not at all.

vomikus39

and this is exactly the point i was trying to make the other day when i posted the information from the FBI site, to which no one other than Byrnzie and Pepe commented on.

it is not acceptable to me that someone can just make all sorts of accusations based on 'feelings' when they do not have evidence of what they are talking about. why even say that? why repeat it? that's so wrong on every level.

facts are are different story. provide proof of terrorist ties and funding and then we can have a discussion.[/quote]
Dont you think its at least cause to research the matter further? How stupid would you feel if it turned out the terrorist ties were true?[/quote]

Exactly. I didnt say that I felt this way, but that seems to be the overall feeling for people who are involved in promoting this Mosque and those opposed to it. They want to know who this guy is and where this money is coming from. How the hell would I know who he is, I don't even know his name. I was just sharing what's going on at The World Trade Center. Someone mentioned how the NY Post is Anti-Muslim, uhhh, yes that is very true.

haffajappa

TriumphantAngel wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

and this is exactly the point i was trying to make the other day when i posted the information from the FBI site, to which no one other than Byrnzie and Pepe commented on.

it is not acceptable to me that someone can just make all sorts of accusations based on 'feelings' when they do not have evidence of what they are talking about. why even say that? why repeat it? that's so wrong on every level.

facts are are different story. provide proof of terrorist ties and funding and then we can have a discussion.

Dont you think its at least cause to research the matter further? How stupid would you feel if it turned out the terrorist ties were true?

why would i feel stupid? i said it's not acceptable to me to make accusations based on feelings alone without evidence. it's nothing but fearmongering. if it was me i would research the matter before making statements i can't back up. but hey, that's just me.

what i did say was provide proof of terrorist ties and funding and then when can have a discussion.

i don't feel the slightest bit stupid about saying that. not at all.

which would also beg the question, how stupid might we feel if the accusations were in fact not true?
i'm with TA, need more than assumptions and then maybe I can form a bit more of an opinion

vomikus39

Read between the lines my friend. Anyone can say anyones connected to terrorists. Shit, the other day someone on here was talking about HIV bombs he read in the sun paper. HIV bombs? Really? Thank god they're was enough people here who already know how to read between the lines.[/quote]

Learn how to understand my friend. I was sharing what the feeling in NYC is, according to the media. I honestly don't know who even wants to build a Mosque there. To be totally honest, I don't really care much if they do or not.

acoustic guy

I would rather question it then apologize later if needed. I could never be a part of a religion that has followers who kill innocent people in this day in age, then try to put up a place of prayer there....thats just fucking wrong on so many levels. Like it or not this country was founded on christianity and its a slap in the faces of the founders and the people killed there. Like it or not its my opinion...

haffajappa

acoustic guy wrote:

I would rather question it then apologize later if needed. I could never be a part of a religion that has followers who kill innocent people in this day in age, then try to put up a place of prayer there....thats just fucking wrong on so many levels. Like it or not this country was founded on christianity and its a slap in the faces of the founders and the people killed there. Like it or not its my opinion...

I think you're late to this thread...
If you condemn an entire religion for killing because of extremist then you should condemn all religions for doing it... and in doing so you're just generalizing an entire mass of people which isn't really fair.

vomikus39

I think you're late to this thread...
If you condemn an entire religion for killing because of extremist then you should condemn all religions for doing it... and in doing so you're just generalizing an entire mass of people which isn't really fair.[/quote]

Gotta know your history and if we are going to condemn an entire religion for murder, atrocities and the such, then we should say good bye to Christianity, Crusades anyone? All religions can be beautiful if practiced correctly, individuals murder and carry out suicide attacks. Individuals decided to murder and pillage the holy cities in 1099 in the "name of God." There are countless examples from all religions. People are bad, religions are not. Religion is just an excuse that bad people use to do bad things. From what I know of Islam, it is a beautiful faith. Although I am not Mr. Bible, the fundamentals of Christianity and what Jesus preached are beautiful. Behave morally, that's the ultimate message of all religions. I don't think if Jesus were around today (and that's if he even existed) he would approve of the Crusades, 9/11, the mess in the Mid-East, and how people use faith to do bad things. Just my thoughts.

fuck

acoustic guy wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

vomikus39 wrote:

I live in NYC and from what I have been hearing and reading is that many people are concerned about who the person is running the Mosque. Apparently there seems to be a feeling of terrorist ties and funding. I don't know the whole story, and of course do not take the newspaper literally, especially the New York Post, but thought I'd share that info.

and this is exactly the point i was trying to make the other day when i posted the information from the FBI site, to which no one other than Byrnzie and Pepe commented on.

it is not acceptable to me that someone can just make all sorts of accusations based on 'feelings' when they do not have evidence of what they are talking about. why even say that? why repeat it? that's so wrong on every level.

facts are are different story. provide proof of terrorist ties and funding and then we can have a discussion.

Dont you think its at least cause to research the matter further? How stupid would you feel if it turned out the terrorist ties were true?

by that logic, and mind you it is some dumb fucking logic, should we investigate every muslim who tries to open a mosque? or just the ones who do it close enough to ground zero?

fuck

acoustic guy wrote:

I would rather question it then apologize later if needed. I could never be a part of a religion that has followers who kill innocent people in this day in age, then try to put up a place of prayer there....

i find your use of "in this day in age" (i assume you mean "day and age" but whatever) strange. are you implying that crimes committed in the name of religion centuries ago, such as the crusades, are not as bad as crimes committed now? second, as obvious as this is and i cringe at the fact that I have to explain it, you're insulting an ideology. just as that one other dude said, the long list of crimes in the name of christianity (which far exceeds that of Islam) still does not make me hate the religion. i'm not stupid enough for that. there are well over 1 billion muslims in this world, do you know how few of these people actually believe in the killing of innocent people? do you not know the point of these people being labeled as RADICAL, or EXTREMIST.

in fact, i'm glad you're not muslim. if you were, you'd probably be just as racist but as a muslim, i.e. you're no better than the people you condemn. of course you haven't killed anyone (that i know of) but it doesn't excuse the hate you spew - you would do nothing but make the problem worse.

i feel bad for the muslim families who lost relatives in 9/11, because you do know that muslim-americans were killed in the attacks as well. their memories were disgraced by people like you who simply ignore them.

thats just fucking wrong on so many levels. Like it or not this country was founded on christianity and its a slap in the faces of the founders and the people killed there. Like it or not its my opinion...

you know some of our founding fathers carried Qurans with them? unless they're secret jihadists, i'm sure they'd be very disappointed in you. and you do know how similar Islam and Christianity are right?

also this forum needs to fucking learn the difference between an opinion and being simply WRONG: an opinion is liking chocolate ice cream over vanilla ice cream. but when you try to paint this country as some christian society, then you're fucking WRONG. and when you preach intolerance as you do, it's not an opinion, it's a morally wrong thing to do.

jesus christ, i'm probably half your age and i'm lecturing you!

Cosmo

acoustic guy wrote:

I would rather question it then apologize later if needed. I could never be a part of a religion that has followers who kill innocent people in this day in age, then try to put up a place of prayer there....thats just fucking wrong on so many levels. Like it or not this country was founded on christianity and its a slap in the faces of the founders and the people killed there. Like it or not its my opinion...

...
I have a 'feeling'... that you might be a child molestor.
I have no proof of it... but, I feel you need to be investigated.
You're okay with that, right?

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_outlaw wrote:

in fact, i'm glad you're not muslim. if you were, you'd probably be just as racist but as a muslim, i.e. you're no better than the people you condemn. of course you haven't killed anyone (that i know of) but it doesn't excuse the hate you spew - you would do nothing but make the problem worse.

Exactly. As long as people continue to believe what has been said in some of the posts here, there will never be peace in this world. :(

also this forum needs to fucking learn the difference between an opinion and being simply WRONG: an opinion is liking chocolate ice cream over vanilla ice cream. but when you try to paint this country as some christian society, then you're fucking WRONG. and when you preach intolerance as you do, it's not an opinion, it's a morally wrong thing to do.

Gary Carter

acoustic guy wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

vomikus39 wrote:

I live in NYC and from what I have been hearing and reading is that many people are concerned about who the person is running the Mosque. Apparently there seems to be a feeling of terrorist ties and funding. I don't know the whole story, and of course do not take the newspaper literally, especially the New York Post, but thought I'd share that info.

and this is exactly the point i was trying to make the other day when i posted the information from the FBI site, to which no one other than Byrnzie and Pepe commented on.

it is not acceptable to me that someone can just make all sorts of accusations based on 'feelings' when they do not have evidence of what they are talking about. why even say that? why repeat it? that's so wrong on every level.

facts are are different story. provide proof of terrorist ties and funding and then we can have a discussion.

Dont you think its at least cause to research the matter further? How stupid would you feel if it turned out the terrorist ties were true?

i'd hope buttberg and his buddies are looking into this cause i for one think its sick. this just spits in the face of 3,000 people that are dead and all new yorkers. ground zero is a burial ground and its bad enough they are building another one ontop of it.