Funny that that the "go Tiger" fans don't post much when than idol is doing average.
Makes me wonder if the "Tiger fans" are really a fan of golf or just a fan of someone that does great in sports.
How much longer do you think Tiger will be on the PGA tour?
I dont see him spending his 50's and beyond on the Champions circuit. Thats just not him.
So, he's 37 right now. 13 more years before he's eligible for the Champions.
I honestly dont see him spending his entire 40's on the tour.
Say, the drought continues. And it looks like it will. If it continues for several more years, does that make him want to continue or make him want to pack it in?
Him being so close to 18 and 19, could work either way. He's so close to the record, that he could want to push on. Yet, his lack of any headway at all I assume is getting to him.
Tigers like Jordan or Kobe. PGA tour wins mean nothing. 2nd place or top 10 or top 5 finishes mean nothing. Their success is measured by championshops. Tiger is no different. His main MO since birth essentially has been 19 majors. I think thats the only thing thats ever mattered to him.
Id say he retires at 45, without breaking the record. And thats pushing it. An older Tiger, 8 years from now. Thats going to be a radically slower and different Tiger.
Tiger isnt Jack. I dont see him improving with age.
No one in golf blinks when Tiger plays. You really think Rory or Adam or Phil give one damn about Tiger?
gee tiger is falling back ... does anyone still think he'll break Jack's major record? i'm not so sure now, he hasn't won since '98 and next year he'll be 39.
5 more majors. Thats asking alot. Whats funny is, in 1999 or 2000, you ask anyone, anywhere, and him winning 19, and possibly 20, or 30, or even 40. That seemed a given. No question.
In 2013, he's 5 plus years without, and he just seems unable to win things that count. Players no longer fear him. The field caught up.
And each year I think its harder and harder. The days of him winning multiple majors in a year are over and long gone. So even if he does win 5 more, its going to take YEARS. I dont see him next year winning 3 majors or something. That aint gonna happen.
gee tiger is falling back ... does anyone still think he'll break Jack's major record? i'm not so sure now, he hasn't won since '98 and next year he'll be 39.
Tiger last won a major in 2008, not 1998. (Torrey Pines)
Jack won his last Major at 46 years old. Between 1978 and 1986 Jack won 4 Majors. That's the equivalent of 30+ Majors.
I'm not sure Tiger plays competitively until 46, but if he is healthy I'd guess he'd show up for Majors.
Tiger has a long way to go this weekend, and most likely 10 shots is too much to make up...
So, to answer your question lukin2006 - will he break the record? I think he will. Can he win 4 or 5 of the next 30+ Majors he plays in? For his career, he's won 1 out of every 4 tourneys he's entered...(25.99%) the odds suggest he will.
Shall be a great watch to see, regardless...
So happy for Duff today...great guy...that short putt on 18 showed you the nerves creeped up on him...
I'd love to see him win it this week.
btw, GO TIGER
Jack and Tiger are wildly different. I dont see Tiger playing until hes 46, Even 45 is pushing it. Look at the tour in 2013 and how Tiger is versus the rest of the field. 8 years down the road, its not like Tigers going to gain power, speed, skills etc...
But thats the thing, we are in 2013. You are right he has to win 5 times in the next 30 majors. Thats without any injuries that force him out for who knows how long, thats also years worth of majors. Say he plays in 30 more majors and then retires. Is he more likely to win in the first 15 or the final 15? Do most injury plagued atheletes gain in skills and power as they age, or do they radically decline, and actually retire earlier than their cohorts?
jack won 4 in those 8 years. Tigers not trying to win 4. He's trying to win 5.
Funny that that the "go Tiger" fans don't post much when than idol is doing average.
Makes me wonder if the "Tiger fans" are really a fan of golf or just a fan of someone that does great in sports.
Makes me wonder of the non tiger fans are a fan of golf.
You are competing against 100+ of the best in the world at golf on some of the most difficult courses in the world. Not to mention dude is 37. I feel like the the tiger haters are much less golf fans.
Listen, tiger is going to play for a very long time. To think he is retiring at 40 is idiotic, there is way too much money to be made. That said, he is not likely to get 19. I have said it all along. He has to have Phil's major career at 37+. That is just not likely to happen. That said, he'll win 90 tournaments, which is absolutely insane
Jack and Tiger are wildly different.
8 years down the road, its not like Tigers going to gain power, speed, skills etc.
jack won 4 in those 8 years. Tigers not trying to win 4. He's trying to win 5.
When I mentioned he has to win 4 or 5, I was saying it simply in comparison to his current winning percentage as a point of emphasis...heck, it could be 7 - 10... Just going on the statistics of his entire body of work up to this point.
I look at recent majors of the last 5-7 years...who do we see on the leaderboards - high up on the leaderboards - continually at the Masters: Freddie Couples, Angel Cabrera...British Open: Mark O'Meara, Tom Watson...US Open: Ernie Els, Steve Stricker...PGA's: Scott Verplank, Stricker, etc...
Point = if those guys can make runs in their 40-late 40's and 50's, is in really unreasonable to think a man who is better than them all and in better physical conditioning can't do the same?
And finally, yes Jack and Tiger are different. Jack holds the edge in the majors, but Tiger is BY FAR the best player in PGA Tour history (Jack himself has even said so). He wins more often and scores better than Jack did by considerable margins. Remember, they never "Jack-proofed" any golf courses...and Tiger was won Majors on courses that have been "Tiger-proofed".
Jack's record of 18 Majors may never be broken in my lifetime. But Tiger Woods has had his focus (maybe to a fault) on breaking that record since he was knee high to a grasshopper, so I don't see him easing up on trying to accomplish it.
And even though its an unpopular viewpoint/opinion in most circles, if Tiger walks off of Oak Hill today, shoots 103 and never plays again, he is arguably still one of the best -if not the best, to ever play the game.
Apparently Tiger is still a draw, on the "featured pairing" this morning on channel 703 (Direct TV) we get to watch each and every single swing of his!
Imagine that, who else 10 shots off the lead , would be so fortunate?
GO TIGER!
Makes me wonder of the non tiger fans are a fan of golf.
they're not
pretty accurate, my friends.
fuck tiger
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Looks like Major # 18 is coming today for Tiger!!!...
18 majors in a row without a "W"... :(
12 back is too much for anyone to overcome, I think...
I blame Keegan Bradley
Watching that address would drive anyone batty
Pins are great today, not a lot of low scores out there so far
Should be an awesome afternoon!
Jack and Tiger are wildly different.
8 years down the road, its not like Tigers going to gain power, speed, skills etc.
jack won 4 in those 8 years. Tigers not trying to win 4. He's trying to win 5.
When I mentioned he has to win 4 or 5, I was saying it simply in comparison to his current winning percentage as a point of emphasis...heck, it could be 7 - 10... Just going on the statistics of his entire body of work up to this point.
I look at recent majors of the last 5-7 years...who do we see on the leaderboards - high up on the leaderboards - continually at the Masters: Freddie Couples, Angel Cabrera...British Open: Mark O'Meara, Tom Watson...US Open: Ernie Els, Steve Stricker...PGA's: Scott Verplank, Stricker, etc...
Point = if those guys can make runs in their 40-late 40's and 50's, is in really unreasonable to think a man who is better than them all and in better physical conditioning can't do the same?
And finally, yes Jack and Tiger are different. Jack holds the edge in the majors, but Tiger is BY FAR the best player in PGA Tour history (Jack himself has even said so). He wins more often and scores better than Jack did by considerable margins. Remember, they never "Jack-proofed" any golf courses...and Tiger was won Majors on courses that have been "Tiger-proofed".
Jack's record of 18 Majors may never be broken in my lifetime. But Tiger Woods has had his focus (maybe to a fault) on breaking that record since he was knee high to a grasshopper, so I don't see him easing up on trying to accomplish it.
And even though its an unpopular viewpoint/opinion in most circles, if Tiger walks off of Oak Hill today, shoots 103 and never plays again, he is arguably still one of the best -if not the best, to ever play the game.
Enjoy the PGA Championship today all!
GO TIGER :P
Times have changed. I became aware of golf because of Tiger, remember clearly how big a deal it was that an african american won the masters in 1997. And I remember how dominant he was during the early 2000's, and how it seemed like he would win every major he entered by an insane margin. Thats not what exists in 2013. New, more dominant players have emerged, Tiger isnt winning majors, and players in the field no longer fear the guy. A course doesnt need to be Tiger proofed in 2013, the players arent worried about him. Its the other way around.
Tiger isnt healthy, and never has been. He's been injury prone for YEARS. For him to even play 8 more years he needs to be healthy. And thats a big question mark.
His focus on winning 19 is meaningless now. As I said, we all were around during the early 2000's. If you asked a majority of players and fans if he was going to win 19, the response would have been unanimous that he was going to win MORE than 19. Not so much in 2013.
He can want the 19 more than anything in 2013, that doesnt change-his physical health and prone to injury, the aging process that a player at 37 and beyond will find it harder and harder to win, especially at majors and that it wont get easier. or that the field and the game has become more equal in terms of balance. You think Rory sits around and trembles when he see's Tiger on the course?
In 2000, Tiger was king. In 2013, I think even he would agree the game has a TON of amazing players, most of them younger than him.
Tiger isnt healthy, and never has been. He's been injury prone for YEARS. For him to even play 8 more years he needs to be healthy. And thats a big question mark.
In his 17 year career, Tiger has missed 6 Majors. 4 of which occurred after the 2008 US Open - the one he won with a torn ACL.
This years US Open his arm was shot, but a month later, he finished 6th at Muirfield.
I believe the big question mark is between his ears. Just my opinion. After the precipitous fall in his career, he doesn't strike fear into golfers the way he once did, for sure. But don't think for a second that when he has one of his charges, the course roars are a tad different and the other golfers know exactly whats happening.
He'll never be 2000 US Open Tiger Woods again. Ever.
He's still pretty damn good, and better than most...
5 victories this year - regained #1 player, short of Phil winning it all this weekend, will retain #1 - Tiger will win yet another Vardon trophy, money title and Player of The Year. Those young amazing players take notice, no?
Point = this look like a golfer getting worse to you? This look like a golfer fearing the field? Personally, and again strictly my opinion, unequivacally no.
Health is the x factor. Mental health maybe moreso than physical.
Tiger isnt healthy, and never has been. He's been injury prone for YEARS. For him to even play 8 more years he needs to be healthy. And thats a big question mark.
In his 17 year career, Tiger has missed 6 Majors. 4 of which occurred after the 2008 US Open - the one he won with a torn ACL.
This years US Open his arm was shot, but a month later, he finished 6th at Muirfield.
I believe the big question mark is between his ears. Just my opinion. After the precipitous fall in his career, he doesn't strike fear into golfers the way he once did, for sure. But don't think for a second that when he has one of his charges, the course roars are a tad different and the other golfers know exactly whats happening.
He'll never be 2000 US Open Tiger Woods again. Ever.
He's still pretty damn good, and better than most...
5 victories this year - regained #1 player, short of Phil winning it all this weekend, will retain #1 - Tiger will win yet another Vardon trophy, money title and Player of The Year. Those young amazing players take notice, no?
Point = this look like a golfer getting worse to you? This look like a golfer fearing the field? Personally, and again strictly my opinion, unequivacally no.
Health is the x factor. Mental health maybe moreso than physical.
Oh I think you are spot on. But ive been saying that stuff about his mental health since the scandal, and ive had few if anyone agree with me. Clearly, something changed in him since the scandal. Taking him at his words since the scandal, do I think winning 19 is still important to him? Sure, but I dont necessarily think its the driving force it once was to him. Tom Morello used to practice guitar for 8 hours a day. Every day. But the Tom Morello in 2013 has 2 kids, is married. and doesnt practice for 8 hours. I would assume he feels his family is more important than getting in those 8 hours. Thats not to say music. Does Jimmy Page practice guitar as much he used to?
I think something similar happened with Tiger, its just his realization was public and his demons came to haunt him. And i dont think he practices and obsesses over golf, near as much as he did pre scandal. And thats as it should be. He has kids. And he's publicly said he views time spent with them as more valuable than he once did.
With Tiger, I do think its mental. Something is causing him to be unable to win the majors. And in alot of them he seems to almost collapse. I mean, for a guy thats perenially the favorite to win any major he enters and is no 1 in the world, being tied for 34th isnt a validation of his current skill set.
I remember that major, what was it, The Masters a few years back and Tiger collapsing, and throwing his clubs. The announcers saying "this is one of the greatest golfers of all time, and he can't even figure out how to play golf right now".
I think the remnants of that still remain, even with the number 1 ranking and PGA tournament wins this year.
Funny that that the "go Tiger" fans don't post much when than idol is doing average.
Makes me wonder if the "Tiger fans" are really a fan of golf or just a fan of someone that does great in sports.
I don't post much, but I am a fan of golf and tiger. I also spent 15 years in the golf business. As Jack and Arnie did, he change the landscape of golf and brought much more interest in the game. You can't argue he is still the best since he has won 5 times this year. I do think he realizes his time to win majors is diminishing and is most likely putting more pressure on himself in the big events. The only person who really knows is Tiger. Jack Nicklaus didn't win every event and neither will Tiger. I do think in next couple years he'll figure it out and win a couple but not sure if he'll catch Jack's records. Only time will tell. As a golf fan it's hard not to appreciate the talent and what he has done on the golf course. I don't like his off course behavior. He should have followed in footsteps of Derek Jeter and not get married and date hot women and he probably would own the major records. Will shall see and I will continue to enjoy watching him play.
Btw, since first time seen this post I have been fortunate enough to play pebble beach, cypress point, oakmont, St. Andrews and quite a few others. If there are and PJ fans in Kentucky, maybe can hook up for a round. Currently, I live in lexington, ky.
Some interesting comments on whether Tiger will surpass Jack ... I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to golf, but the general consensus has always been that he was mentally better than anyone on the planet in his best years, doesn't seem the case anymore. I always thought he was the most intimidating golfer on the course (probably because mentally he was much more superior than others), other golfers don't seem to be as intimidated by him as they once were. The body ages, the mind ages you lose a little bit with age, he's probably no different in that sense. He only needs 4 to tie and 5 to surpass ... I think it's still possible but not a certainty like it once was. I would think with every passing major in which he doesn't win the pressure mounts and will definitely be tougher ... time will tell.
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Apparently Tiger is still a draw, on the "featured pairing" this morning on channel 703 (Direct TV) we get to watch each and every single swing of his!
Imagine that, who else 10 shots off the lead , would be so fortunate?
GO TIGER!
And I bet you loved all 73 of those "featured pairing" strokes.
Anyway, I hope Lee Westwood posts a really good score and hangs on to win.Not likely but....
To anyone out there.
Who's your pick for today?
"They don't give a shit Keith Moon is dead,
is that exactly what I thought I read."
It is Sunday at the PGA and we have a compelling tourney. Some of these pins are in WOW places, holy cow.
Does Furyk hold it together, shoot a 4th consecutive sub par round and hold on to win?
Does Dufner, Stenson, Stricker or Scott make a Sunday charge?
Who falters?
Does Jonas Blixt shock the world and win his first Major in his first PGA Championship, barely a month after winning the Greenbrier?
A deserving winner will emerge and be holding the Wanamaker at the end of the day. Personally, I'm rooting for Stenson and Dufner - they are good guys, great sticks and would be great champs - always fun to watch someone get their 1st Major.
Enjoy it all!
PS - for those of you who are wondering the every shot feature pairing this morning on channel 703 Direct TV: Our final-round Marquee Groups will be Tiger Woods and Brooks Koepka in the morning:
Tied for 48th
13 shots back
Must See TV
GO TIGER!!!
Apparently Tiger is still a draw, on the "featured pairing" this morning on channel 703 (Direct TV) we get to watch each and every single swing of his!
Imagine that, who else 10 shots off the lead , would be so fortunate?
GO TIGER!
That's the thing about Tiger. All of his shots are always shown despite where he is. How many times have you seen a golfer going into Sunday in the last pair and he starts to play bad and you don't see another shot on TV all day? Almost every tournament. You generally don't get to see every shot when a golfer is going through a rough patch. This makes Tiger the most scrutinized player in history.
It is Sunday at the PGA and we have a compelling tourney. Some of these pins are in WOW places, holy cow.
Does Furyk hold it together, shoot a 4th consecutive sub par round and hold on to win?
Does Dufner, Stenson, Stricker or Scott make a Sunday charge?
Who falters?
Does Jonas Blixt shock the world and win his first Major in his first PGA Championship, barely a month after winning the Greenbrier?
A deserving winner will emerge and be holding the Wanamaker at the end of the day. Personally, I'm rooting for Stenson and Dufner - they are good guys, great sticks and would be great champs - always fun to watch someone get their 1st Major.
Enjoy it all!
PS - for those of you who are wondering the every shot feature pairing this morning on channel 703 Direct TV: Our final-round Marquee Groups will be Tiger Woods and Brooks Koepka in the morning:
Tied for 48th
13 shots back
Must See TV
GO TIGER!!!
I absolutely love the final day of ay major championship - definitely will be dialed in to this one.
Really hoping that Jimmy Furyk holds on for the win today!
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Apparently Tiger is still a draw, on the "featured pairing" this morning on channel 703 (Direct TV) we get to watch each and every single swing of his!
Imagine that, who else 10 shots off the lead , would be so fortunate?
GO TIGER!
That's the thing about Tiger. All of his shots are always shown despite where he is. How many times have you seen a golfer going into Sunday in the last pair and he starts to play bad and you don't see another shot on TV all day? Almost every tournament. You generally don't get to see every shot when a golfer is going through a rough patch. This makes Tiger the most scrutinized player in history.
Its unheard of to show anyone's everyshot (this far back) in a Major, eddiec...thankfully there are 4 "channels" on the PGA Championship Mix so the other 3 won't show Tiger unless its a highlight. Heck, he'll be off the course by the time Furyk and Dufner hit a tee shot possibly...
But he is THE guy. Look at the galleries for him and Keegan yesterday. Still a draw. Like him or not, he "moves the needle".
I for one LOVE the featured pairing channel - there is something about watching every shot live and seeing him eat snacks and chat with Joe and sometimes the other guy I find compelling. Almost like you're walking alongside him. Without "Baba Booey" guy screaming after every shot directly in your ear.
And, I'd ask this - who in the heck wants to watch every single shot of Brooks Koepka? This young guy is playing in only his 3rd Major - missing the cut in the Open Championship and US Open last year. This will be a fun afternoon for him and quite the experience. Hope Tiger puts on a clinic
I'd love to see Ian Poulter this morning - birdied 5 of his first 8 holes...guys a stud on Sunday!
Brooks Koepka? This young guy is playing in only his 3rd Major - missing the cut in the Open Championship and US Open last year. This will be a fun afternoon for him and quite experience!
Lol
Or not
6 over thru 5 holes so far...just a tad nervous...not use to these galleries...no one has asked him "who's that guy you,re playing with, Brooksie?"
Brooks Koepka? This young guy is playing in only his 3rd Major - missing the cut in the Open Championship and US Open last year. This will be a fun afternoon for him and quite experience!
Lol
Or not
6 over thru 5 holes so far...just a tad nervous...not use to these galleries...no one has asked him "who's that guy you,re playing with, Brooksie?"
They're probably asking "who's the guy with the honours on the tee with tiger?"
How many fairways has tiger hit today?
I don't know about putting on a clinic.I think tiger should go to the clinic.
"They don't give a shit Keith Moon is dead,
is that exactly what I thought I read."
Brooks Koepka? This young guy is playing in only his 3rd Major - missing the cut in the Open Championship and US Open last year. This will be a fun afternoon for him and quite experience!
Lol
Or not
6 over thru 5 holes so far...just a tad nervous...not use to these galleries...no one has asked him "who's that guy you,re playing with, Brooksie?"
They're probably asking "who's the guy with the honours on the tee with tiger?"
How many fairways has tiger hit today?
I don't know about putting on a clinic.I think tiger should go to the clinic.
Brooks did get honors on 10 after going 8 over thru first 9, he's settled down to 1 over on back 9...hope he finishes 18 strong!
Tiger has hit maybe 3 fairways today...just a calamity with the driver, unreal. For a guy who hits a 5 wood so far and so straight, I don't get the driver pulls today - maybe working on the game?
Made 3 birdies in a 4 hole stretch to get back to even on the day and remain 4 over for the tourney.
Should be a great afternoon, RoughMix.
It will be a great afternoon.
You have to be able to move the ball both ways on this course.
Something tiger can't do anymore.
He's afraid of using the driver.When he hits something else sometimes he is to far back for his approach shot.
I think I saw him hitting 220 into one of the par four holes today.
I don't think he has had a sub seventy round in a major final round in some time.
You are the stats master.Any idea?
"They don't give a shit Keith Moon is dead,
is that exactly what I thought I read."
Yeah,a nice guy who lost his tour card a couple of times.
I think he won comeback player of the year twice! I still don't understand him skipping The Open for a wedding anniversary.But,to each his own I guess.
"They don't give a shit Keith Moon is dead,
is that exactly what I thought I read."
I don't think he has had a sub seventy round in a major final round in some time.
You are the stats master.Any idea?
For the year, he broke 70 once in 16 rounds of majors and hasn't broken 70 in 16 consecutive weekend rounds in majors. Putting = major nemesis in the last two rounds of majors for some time, this week the driver killed his chances.
This was Woods' 64th major as a professional. Nicklaus won his 15th major in his 67th start in a major as a pro.
This matchup today with Furyk and Dufner has been amazing thusfar. I honestly didn't think Duf's putting and iron play (approach shots) would be this clutch..could be his day!
The back 9 might be a nailbiter!
Is there anything better then Major golf drama???
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Makes me wonder if the "Tiger fans" are really a fan of golf or just a fan of someone that does great in sports.
How much longer do you think Tiger will be on the PGA tour?
I dont see him spending his 50's and beyond on the Champions circuit. Thats just not him.
So, he's 37 right now. 13 more years before he's eligible for the Champions.
I honestly dont see him spending his entire 40's on the tour.
Say, the drought continues. And it looks like it will. If it continues for several more years, does that make him want to continue or make him want to pack it in?
Him being so close to 18 and 19, could work either way. He's so close to the record, that he could want to push on. Yet, his lack of any headway at all I assume is getting to him.
Tigers like Jordan or Kobe. PGA tour wins mean nothing. 2nd place or top 10 or top 5 finishes mean nothing. Their success is measured by championshops. Tiger is no different. His main MO since birth essentially has been 19 majors. I think thats the only thing thats ever mattered to him.
Id say he retires at 45, without breaking the record. And thats pushing it. An older Tiger, 8 years from now. Thats going to be a radically slower and different Tiger.
Tiger isnt Jack. I dont see him improving with age.
No one in golf blinks when Tiger plays. You really think Rory or Adam or Phil give one damn about Tiger?
5 more majors. Thats asking alot. Whats funny is, in 1999 or 2000, you ask anyone, anywhere, and him winning 19, and possibly 20, or 30, or even 40. That seemed a given. No question.
In 2013, he's 5 plus years without, and he just seems unable to win things that count. Players no longer fear him. The field caught up.
And each year I think its harder and harder. The days of him winning multiple majors in a year are over and long gone. So even if he does win 5 more, its going to take YEARS. I dont see him next year winning 3 majors or something. That aint gonna happen.
Jack and Tiger are wildly different. I dont see Tiger playing until hes 46, Even 45 is pushing it. Look at the tour in 2013 and how Tiger is versus the rest of the field. 8 years down the road, its not like Tigers going to gain power, speed, skills etc...
But thats the thing, we are in 2013. You are right he has to win 5 times in the next 30 majors. Thats without any injuries that force him out for who knows how long, thats also years worth of majors. Say he plays in 30 more majors and then retires. Is he more likely to win in the first 15 or the final 15? Do most injury plagued atheletes gain in skills and power as they age, or do they radically decline, and actually retire earlier than their cohorts?
jack won 4 in those 8 years. Tigers not trying to win 4. He's trying to win 5.
Makes me wonder of the non tiger fans are a fan of golf.
You are competing against 100+ of the best in the world at golf on some of the most difficult courses in the world. Not to mention dude is 37. I feel like the the tiger haters are much less golf fans.
Love dufner
When I mentioned he has to win 4 or 5, I was saying it simply in comparison to his current winning percentage as a point of emphasis...heck, it could be 7 - 10... Just going on the statistics of his entire body of work up to this point.
I look at recent majors of the last 5-7 years...who do we see on the leaderboards - high up on the leaderboards - continually at the Masters: Freddie Couples, Angel Cabrera...British Open: Mark O'Meara, Tom Watson...US Open: Ernie Els, Steve Stricker...PGA's: Scott Verplank, Stricker, etc...
Point = if those guys can make runs in their 40-late 40's and 50's, is in really unreasonable to think a man who is better than them all and in better physical conditioning can't do the same?
And finally, yes Jack and Tiger are different. Jack holds the edge in the majors, but Tiger is BY FAR the best player in PGA Tour history (Jack himself has even said so). He wins more often and scores better than Jack did by considerable margins. Remember, they never "Jack-proofed" any golf courses...and Tiger was won Majors on courses that have been "Tiger-proofed".
Jack's record of 18 Majors may never be broken in my lifetime. But Tiger Woods has had his focus (maybe to a fault) on breaking that record since he was knee high to a grasshopper, so I don't see him easing up on trying to accomplish it.
And even though its an unpopular viewpoint/opinion in most circles, if Tiger walks off of Oak Hill today, shoots 103 and never plays again, he is arguably still one of the best -if not the best, to ever play the game.
Enjoy the PGA Championship today all!
GO TIGER :P
7.9.03~9.28.04~10.1.05~5.12.06~5.13.06~5.27.06~5.28.06
8.5.08(EV)~10.9.09~5.21.10~6.20.11(EV)~7.5.11(EV)~7.9.11(EV)
11.21.13~8.27.16(EV)~11.14.16(TOTD)~4.13.20~9.27.20~9.26.21~10.2.21
2.15.22 (EV)~2.25.22 (EV)~2.27.22 (EV)~5.3.22~5.7.22~9.17.24~9.29.24
Imagine that, who else 10 shots off the lead , would be so fortunate?
GO TIGER!
7.9.03~9.28.04~10.1.05~5.12.06~5.13.06~5.27.06~5.28.06
8.5.08(EV)~10.9.09~5.21.10~6.20.11(EV)~7.5.11(EV)~7.9.11(EV)
11.21.13~8.27.16(EV)~11.14.16(TOTD)~4.13.20~9.27.20~9.26.21~10.2.21
2.15.22 (EV)~2.25.22 (EV)~2.27.22 (EV)~5.3.22~5.7.22~9.17.24~9.29.24
they're not
pretty accurate, my friends.
fuck tiger
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
18 majors in a row without a "W"... :(
12 back is too much for anyone to overcome, I think...
I blame Keegan Bradley
Watching that address would drive anyone batty
Pins are great today, not a lot of low scores out there so far
Should be an awesome afternoon!
7.9.03~9.28.04~10.1.05~5.12.06~5.13.06~5.27.06~5.28.06
8.5.08(EV)~10.9.09~5.21.10~6.20.11(EV)~7.5.11(EV)~7.9.11(EV)
11.21.13~8.27.16(EV)~11.14.16(TOTD)~4.13.20~9.27.20~9.26.21~10.2.21
2.15.22 (EV)~2.25.22 (EV)~2.27.22 (EV)~5.3.22~5.7.22~9.17.24~9.29.24
Times have changed. I became aware of golf because of Tiger, remember clearly how big a deal it was that an african american won the masters in 1997. And I remember how dominant he was during the early 2000's, and how it seemed like he would win every major he entered by an insane margin. Thats not what exists in 2013. New, more dominant players have emerged, Tiger isnt winning majors, and players in the field no longer fear the guy. A course doesnt need to be Tiger proofed in 2013, the players arent worried about him. Its the other way around.
Tiger isnt healthy, and never has been. He's been injury prone for YEARS. For him to even play 8 more years he needs to be healthy. And thats a big question mark.
His focus on winning 19 is meaningless now. As I said, we all were around during the early 2000's. If you asked a majority of players and fans if he was going to win 19, the response would have been unanimous that he was going to win MORE than 19. Not so much in 2013.
He can want the 19 more than anything in 2013, that doesnt change-his physical health and prone to injury, the aging process that a player at 37 and beyond will find it harder and harder to win, especially at majors and that it wont get easier. or that the field and the game has become more equal in terms of balance. You think Rory sits around and trembles when he see's Tiger on the course?
In 2000, Tiger was king. In 2013, I think even he would agree the game has a TON of amazing players, most of them younger than him.
This years US Open his arm was shot, but a month later, he finished 6th at Muirfield.
I believe the big question mark is between his ears. Just my opinion. After the precipitous fall in his career, he doesn't strike fear into golfers the way he once did, for sure. But don't think for a second that when he has one of his charges, the course roars are a tad different and the other golfers know exactly whats happening.
He'll never be 2000 US Open Tiger Woods again. Ever.
He's still pretty damn good, and better than most...
5 victories this year - regained #1 player, short of Phil winning it all this weekend, will retain #1 - Tiger will win yet another Vardon trophy, money title and Player of The Year. Those young amazing players take notice, no?
Point = this look like a golfer getting worse to you? This look like a golfer fearing the field? Personally, and again strictly my opinion, unequivacally no.
Health is the x factor. Mental health maybe moreso than physical.
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8.5.08(EV)~10.9.09~5.21.10~6.20.11(EV)~7.5.11(EV)~7.9.11(EV)
11.21.13~8.27.16(EV)~11.14.16(TOTD)~4.13.20~9.27.20~9.26.21~10.2.21
2.15.22 (EV)~2.25.22 (EV)~2.27.22 (EV)~5.3.22~5.7.22~9.17.24~9.29.24
Oh I think you are spot on. But ive been saying that stuff about his mental health since the scandal, and ive had few if anyone agree with me. Clearly, something changed in him since the scandal. Taking him at his words since the scandal, do I think winning 19 is still important to him? Sure, but I dont necessarily think its the driving force it once was to him. Tom Morello used to practice guitar for 8 hours a day. Every day. But the Tom Morello in 2013 has 2 kids, is married. and doesnt practice for 8 hours. I would assume he feels his family is more important than getting in those 8 hours. Thats not to say music. Does Jimmy Page practice guitar as much he used to?
I think something similar happened with Tiger, its just his realization was public and his demons came to haunt him. And i dont think he practices and obsesses over golf, near as much as he did pre scandal. And thats as it should be. He has kids. And he's publicly said he views time spent with them as more valuable than he once did.
With Tiger, I do think its mental. Something is causing him to be unable to win the majors. And in alot of them he seems to almost collapse. I mean, for a guy thats perenially the favorite to win any major he enters and is no 1 in the world, being tied for 34th isnt a validation of his current skill set.
I remember that major, what was it, The Masters a few years back and Tiger collapsing, and throwing his clubs. The announcers saying "this is one of the greatest golfers of all time, and he can't even figure out how to play golf right now".
I think the remnants of that still remain, even with the number 1 ranking and PGA tournament wins this year.
I don't post much, but I am a fan of golf and tiger. I also spent 15 years in the golf business. As Jack and Arnie did, he change the landscape of golf and brought much more interest in the game. You can't argue he is still the best since he has won 5 times this year. I do think he realizes his time to win majors is diminishing and is most likely putting more pressure on himself in the big events. The only person who really knows is Tiger. Jack Nicklaus didn't win every event and neither will Tiger. I do think in next couple years he'll figure it out and win a couple but not sure if he'll catch Jack's records. Only time will tell. As a golf fan it's hard not to appreciate the talent and what he has done on the golf course. I don't like his off course behavior. He should have followed in footsteps of Derek Jeter and not get married and date hot women and he probably would own the major records. Will shall see and I will continue to enjoy watching him play.
Btw, since first time seen this post I have been fortunate enough to play pebble beach, cypress point, oakmont, St. Andrews and quite a few others. If there are and PJ fans in Kentucky, maybe can hook up for a round. Currently, I live in lexington, ky.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
And I bet you loved all 73 of those "featured pairing" strokes.
Anyway, I hope Lee Westwood posts a really good score and hangs on to win.Not likely but....
To anyone out there.
Who's your pick for today?
is that exactly what I thought I read."
Does Furyk hold it together, shoot a 4th consecutive sub par round and hold on to win?
Does Dufner, Stenson, Stricker or Scott make a Sunday charge?
Who falters?
Does Jonas Blixt shock the world and win his first Major in his first PGA Championship, barely a month after winning the Greenbrier?
A deserving winner will emerge and be holding the Wanamaker at the end of the day. Personally, I'm rooting for Stenson and Dufner - they are good guys, great sticks and would be great champs - always fun to watch someone get their 1st Major.
Enjoy it all!
PS - for those of you who are wondering the every shot feature pairing this morning on channel 703 Direct TV:
Our final-round Marquee Groups will be Tiger Woods and Brooks Koepka in the morning:
Tied for 48th
13 shots back
Must See TV
GO TIGER!!!
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8.5.08(EV)~10.9.09~5.21.10~6.20.11(EV)~7.5.11(EV)~7.9.11(EV)
11.21.13~8.27.16(EV)~11.14.16(TOTD)~4.13.20~9.27.20~9.26.21~10.2.21
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That's the thing about Tiger. All of his shots are always shown despite where he is. How many times have you seen a golfer going into Sunday in the last pair and he starts to play bad and you don't see another shot on TV all day? Almost every tournament. You generally don't get to see every shot when a golfer is going through a rough patch. This makes Tiger the most scrutinized player in history.
I absolutely love the final day of ay major championship - definitely will be dialed in to this one.
Really hoping that Jimmy Furyk holds on for the win today!
East Troy, WI - 9.3.11
East Troy, WI - 9.4.11
Atlanta, GA - 9.22.12
Las Vegas, NV - 10.31.12 (EV)
Las Vegas, NV - 11.1.12 (EV)
Chicago, IL - 7.19.13
Dallas, TX - 11.15.13
Oklahoma City, OK - 11.16.13
Seattle, WA - 12.6.13
Lincoln, NE - 10.9.14
Moline, IL - 10.17.14
St. Paul, MN - 10.19.14
Milwaukee, WI - 10.20.14
New York, NY - 5.1.16
New York, NY - 5.2.16
Boston, MA - 8.5.16
Boston, MA - 8.7.16
Chicago, IL - 8.20.16
Its unheard of to show anyone's everyshot (this far back) in a Major, eddiec...thankfully there are 4 "channels" on the PGA Championship Mix so the other 3 won't show Tiger unless its a highlight. Heck, he'll be off the course by the time Furyk and Dufner hit a tee shot possibly...
But he is THE guy. Look at the galleries for him and Keegan yesterday. Still a draw. Like him or not, he "moves the needle".
I for one LOVE the featured pairing channel - there is something about watching every shot live and seeing him eat snacks and chat with Joe and sometimes the other guy I find compelling. Almost like you're walking alongside him. Without "Baba Booey" guy screaming after every shot directly in your ear.
And, I'd ask this - who in the heck wants to watch every single shot of Brooks Koepka?
I'd love to see Ian Poulter this morning - birdied 5 of his first 8 holes...guys a stud on Sunday!
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8.5.08(EV)~10.9.09~5.21.10~6.20.11(EV)~7.5.11(EV)~7.9.11(EV)
11.21.13~8.27.16(EV)~11.14.16(TOTD)~4.13.20~9.27.20~9.26.21~10.2.21
2.15.22 (EV)~2.25.22 (EV)~2.27.22 (EV)~5.3.22~5.7.22~9.17.24~9.29.24
Or not
6 over thru 5 holes so far...just a tad nervous...not use to these galleries...no one has asked him "who's that guy you,re playing with, Brooksie?"
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8.5.08(EV)~10.9.09~5.21.10~6.20.11(EV)~7.5.11(EV)~7.9.11(EV)
11.21.13~8.27.16(EV)~11.14.16(TOTD)~4.13.20~9.27.20~9.26.21~10.2.21
2.15.22 (EV)~2.25.22 (EV)~2.27.22 (EV)~5.3.22~5.7.22~9.17.24~9.29.24
How many fairways has tiger hit today?
I don't know about putting on a clinic.I think tiger should go to the clinic.
is that exactly what I thought I read."
Tiger has hit maybe 3 fairways today...just a calamity with the driver, unreal. For a guy who hits a 5 wood so far and so straight, I don't get the driver pulls today - maybe working on the game?
Made 3 birdies in a 4 hole stretch to get back to even on the day and remain 4 over for the tourney.
Should be a great afternoon, RoughMix.
7.9.03~9.28.04~10.1.05~5.12.06~5.13.06~5.27.06~5.28.06
8.5.08(EV)~10.9.09~5.21.10~6.20.11(EV)~7.5.11(EV)~7.9.11(EV)
11.21.13~8.27.16(EV)~11.14.16(TOTD)~4.13.20~9.27.20~9.26.21~10.2.21
2.15.22 (EV)~2.25.22 (EV)~2.27.22 (EV)~5.3.22~5.7.22~9.17.24~9.29.24
Kind of amazing.
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8.5.08(EV)~10.9.09~5.21.10~6.20.11(EV)~7.5.11(EV)~7.9.11(EV)
11.21.13~8.27.16(EV)~11.14.16(TOTD)~4.13.20~9.27.20~9.26.21~10.2.21
2.15.22 (EV)~2.25.22 (EV)~2.27.22 (EV)~5.3.22~5.7.22~9.17.24~9.29.24
You have to be able to move the ball both ways on this course.
Something tiger can't do anymore.
He's afraid of using the driver.When he hits something else sometimes he is to far back for his approach shot.
I think I saw him hitting 220 into one of the par four holes today.
I don't think he has had a sub seventy round in a major final round in some time.
You are the stats master.Any idea?
is that exactly what I thought I read."
Yeah,a nice guy who lost his tour card a couple of times.
I think he won comeback player of the year twice! I still don't understand him skipping The Open for a wedding anniversary.But,to each his own I guess.
is that exactly what I thought I read."
For the year, he broke 70 once in 16 rounds of majors and hasn't broken 70 in 16 consecutive weekend rounds in majors. Putting = major nemesis in the last two rounds of majors for some time, this week the driver killed his chances.
This was Woods' 64th major as a professional. Nicklaus won his 15th major in his 67th start in a major as a pro.
This matchup today with Furyk and Dufner has been amazing thusfar. I honestly didn't think Duf's putting and iron play (approach shots) would be this clutch..could be his day!
The back 9 might be a nailbiter!
Is there anything better then Major golf drama???
7.9.03~9.28.04~10.1.05~5.12.06~5.13.06~5.27.06~5.28.06
8.5.08(EV)~10.9.09~5.21.10~6.20.11(EV)~7.5.11(EV)~7.9.11(EV)
11.21.13~8.27.16(EV)~11.14.16(TOTD)~4.13.20~9.27.20~9.26.21~10.2.21
2.15.22 (EV)~2.25.22 (EV)~2.27.22 (EV)~5.3.22~5.7.22~9.17.24~9.29.24