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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    I haven’t dreamed of playing the Masters and worked hard at golf my whole life.  

    But, for the aging veterans that have played in ten Masters they are probably okay giving it up for the time and $$$.  The younger players on tour know how difficult it can be to win and get to the Masters and be okay taking the $$$ from LIV and letting go of the Masters.  

    I just don’t think the majors are going to be as big of a draw as we think to keep people in the PGA. We will see.  If the Majors don’t have all the greats in the game then I don’t know how interested I will be in watching. 
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,906
    Cliffy6745 said:
    This is all so troubling and just sucks for the sport.  At the end of the day, we are just going to end up with 2 mediocre products.

    LIV isn't supposed to make money and it's not going to.  There is no business model because it's purpose is clearly not to make money from golf directly.  There were 3k people watching the stream earlier today, the novelty didn't last 24 hours. I don't plan to watch one second.  Will there ever be any advertisers?

    The PGA can't compete with these dollars, so people are going to trickle away.  Bryson is the only one that truly hurts so far, but there will be others, a bunch of which we know and while none of them truly hurt, it's just going to create weaker fields for the PGA.

    Listening to No Laying Up and the PGA should have teamed up with the PGL to do something like this, but they were ignorant.  Hopefully the Netflix doc catches on like it did for F1 and something happens to change things up and bring attention.
    I've been listening to the all the NLU podcasts about this and it's all just kinda sad.  The Tour will never be able to compete with the Saudi money.  Everyone rips on the Tour and says it needs to change but what type of changes do people want?  This team stuff? Smaller fields?  They tried the team event with Zurich and the WGCs which don't get much traction.  By no means am I saying the Tour is perfect but I just don't know what the answer is.     

    And holy shit I kinda forgot about the Netflix show....what a year for a behind the scenes look on the tour!
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,794
    bootlegger10 said:
    I haven’t dreamed of playing the Masters and worked hard at golf my whole life.  

    But, for the aging veterans that have played in ten Masters they are probably okay giving it up for the time and $$$.  The younger players on tour know how difficult it can be to win and get to the Masters and be okay taking the $$$ from LIV and letting go of the Masters.  

    I just don’t think the majors are going to be as big of a draw as we think to keep people in the PGA. We will see.  If the Majors don’t have all the greats in the game then I don’t know how interested I will be in watching. 


    The majors should rework its entrance requirement to focus on rewarding the full tours, the players that play 72 holes 20+ times per year, and start limiting the future exclusions for winning majors. The majors should be a reward for full time golfers. They need the Masters to do something like changing the lifetime exclusion for future winners being dependent upon full time tour membership (US, Euro,Asia, etc) , and an 8 event tour simply is not an elite level tour, whether or not the super greedy players like Bryson or Reed crap on the tour that gave them the opportunity to be successful. Give the Saudi tour winners some points, but there should be no way to get enough points on an 54 hole 8 event tour to qualify for a major.

    Not doing this would be like MLB  allowing the winner of a beer league to qualify for the playoffs.
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,906
    Just incredible.  Is there a bigger asshole out there than Greg Norman???  Such a clown.


  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    edited June 2022
    Indifference71 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    This is all so troubling and just sucks for the sport.  At the end of the day, we are just going to end up with 2 mediocre products.

    LIV isn't supposed to make money and it's not going to.  There is no business model because it's purpose is clearly not to make money from golf directly.  There were 3k people watching the stream earlier today, the novelty didn't last 24 hours. I don't plan to watch one second.  Will there ever be any advertisers?

    The PGA can't compete with these dollars, so people are going to trickle away.  Bryson is the only one that truly hurts so far, but there will be others, a bunch of which we know and while none of them truly hurt, it's just going to create weaker fields for the PGA.

    Listening to No Laying Up and the PGA should have teamed up with the PGL to do something like this, but they were ignorant.  Hopefully the Netflix doc catches on like it did for F1 and something happens to change things up and bring attention.
    I've been listening to the all the NLU podcasts about this and it's all just kinda sad.  The Tour will never be able to compete with the Saudi money.  Everyone rips on the Tour and says it needs to change but what type of changes do people want?  This team stuff? Smaller fields?  They tried the team event with Zurich and the WGCs which don't get much traction.  By no means am I saying the Tour is perfect but I just don't know what the answer is.     

    And holy shit I kinda forgot about the Netflix show....what a year for a behind the scenes look on the tour!
    Netflix is going to be wild.  Have to figure at least some of these guys were involved with the Netflix stuff.

    Yeah, I've been listening to as much as I can and they are on point and on top of it.  Agreed.  I remember them talking to that PGL guy and it was a good conversation and they seemed pretty in on that.  Maybe take some of that money and do a secondary side by side "tour" that's more along the lines of LIV and runs parallel to the standard PGA stuff?

    But agreed, sad for golf and unfortunate.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    When does the Netflix show start?
    www.myspace.com
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    bootlegger10 said:
    I haven’t dreamed of playing the Masters and worked hard at golf my whole life.  

    But, for the aging veterans that have played in ten Masters they are probably okay giving it up for the time and $$$.  The younger players on tour know how difficult it can be to win and get to the Masters and be okay taking the $$$ from LIV and letting go of the Masters.  

    I just don’t think the majors are going to be as big of a draw as we think to keep people in the PGA. We will see.  If the Majors don’t have all the greats in the game then I don’t know how interested I will be in watching. 
    Right? All the old Euro guys were never going to win a major again, so I get that.

    I do think the majors will continue to hold relevance with younger players, maybe not all, but Rahm, JT, etc. all clearly hold them in high regard and I don't think that will diminish
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    edited June 2022
    Cliffy6745 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I haven’t dreamed of playing the Masters and worked hard at golf my whole life.  

    But, for the aging veterans that have played in ten Masters they are probably okay giving it up for the time and $$$.  The younger players on tour know how difficult it can be to win and get to the Masters and be okay taking the $$$ from LIV and letting go of the Masters.  

    I just don’t think the majors are going to be as big of a draw as we think to keep people in the PGA. We will see.  If the Majors don’t have all the greats in the game then I don’t know how interested I will be in watching. 
    Right? All the old Euro guys were never going to win a major again, so I get that.

    I do think the majors will continue to hold relevance with younger players, maybe not all, but Rahm, JT, etc. all clearly hold them in high regard and I don't think that will diminish
    Agree. It will be different for everyone.  JT seems pretty motivated to win Majors.  But I could see a star like Rahm saying I've played in the PGA for ten years and won one major (and barely did at that), so is playing 10 more years for the PGA and potentially winning 2-4 Majors a big enough incentive to say no to a massive pay day and an easier lifestyle with LIV?   If we see more big names leave, then the Majors could be less important to the current PGA stars as they could view the competition being less strong than in the past (is a PGA Championship as big a deal if 15 of the top 50 in the world aren't playing, for example).   
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,874
    got lucky


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Nice!  
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    Reed talking about how the team golf aspect of LIV is refreshing. Dude, your college teammates accused you of cheating and everyone on the Ryder/presidents cup teams hate you 
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    Here is an article about how difficult Brookline will be:  https://golf.com/travel/the-country-club-us-open-host-wicked-good/?amp=1

    Will be interesting to see if this article is another in a long line of wishful thinking.  
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Reed talking about how the team golf aspect of LIV is refreshing. Dude, your college teammates accused you of cheating and everyone on the Ryder/presidents cup teams hate you 
    Hilarious.  These guys will do and say anything for money.  Like Mickelson not having the guts to state specific human rights.
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,906
    Shit like this is why it will be hard to take LIV seriously.


  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    Haha.  This is all pretty crazy.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    Cool to see a woman win a Euro tour event.  Granted the tees were closer for the ladies but still to win by nine shots is impressive. 
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    Tour couldn’t get luckier with this weekend leaderboard 
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    What a final group this was today.   Nice win for Rory and being able to hold off JT and Tony for 18 holes.  

    And he still wins about 30% of what Charl won playing 54 holes against a bunch of nobodies.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    “One more than someone else”
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    edited June 2022
    Great comment. Ironic that JT and Rory were there at the end being the biggest champions (i.e., proponents) for the PGA right now.

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