The Golf Thread

Wobbie

bootlegger10 said:

So is Tiger a one trick pony?   Masters or bust from here on out?   If he can't do well at Pebble then he is done on any U.S. Open course.

he’s a no trick pony.

bootlegger10

Who else but Wobbie?

Cliffy6745

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I think he’s being more realistic about what his body can handle knowing that regular tour wins don’t mean anything for his legacy. 

I think he he can compete in the masters and British for the next decade. The other two are going to be tough with the recent set ups 

I think it does means something to beat Snead’s record, though it’s probably a given at this point. 

Ask Tiger which record he cares about

Wow. Talk about stating the obvious.

He's most likely not breaking Jack's record at this point. But having the all-time wins record means something for his legacy though.

Obviously he cares more about the majors, as we do, than anything else. Thought everyone just assumed that. 

Don't see it.  He is either the best golfer ever or the 2nd best.  I think he's the best, but dude could go with the PR Open or John Deere and not one thing about his legacy is different. 

Cliffy6745

bootlegger10 said:

So is Tiger a one trick pony?   Masters or bust from here on out?   If he can't do well at Pebble then he is done on any U.S. Open course.

I think this is one he can win again, though he's gonna need to get lucky with weather.

He's not winning a US Open.  Looking at the PGA sites, Aronomink would be one, but he'll be old as dirt by then.  I think Master's and if he gets lucky, this one.

bootlegger10

Having the most wins though at least adds an accomplishment for the GOAT argument. 

I don't believe that Tiger could win a John Deere or PR Open.  Too easy of a course and there would be a lot of low scores even with a weaker field.  

Cliffy6745

bootlegger10 said:

Having the most wins though at least adds an accomplishment for the GOAT argument. 

I don't believe that Tiger could win a John Deere or PR Open.  Too easy of a course and there would be a lot of low scores even with a weaker field.  

True. Like the web.com or whatever it's called.

He's not beating Snead in the GOAT argument and already has more wins than Jack so don't see how it impacts it in the least.  Say he won the John Deere, would your opinion of TIger change one TIIIIIINNNNY bit?

eddiec

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Having the most wins though at least adds an accomplishment for the GOAT argument. 

I don't believe that Tiger could win a John Deere or PR Open.  Too easy of a course and there would be a lot of low scores even with a weaker field.  

True. Like the web.com or whatever it's called.

He's not beating Snead in the GOAT argument and already has more wins than Jack so don't see how it impacts it in the least.  Say he won the John Deere, would your opinion of TIger change one TIIIIIINNNNY bit?

No. But in a hundred years from now it will be an important stat for his legacy.

Cliffy6745

Why?

eddiec

Cliffy6745 said:

Why?

A hundred years from now, how many people, even golf fans, will sit and watch the 1997 masters on youtube (or some other platform)?
Probably not many, if any. But they will look at the numbers. Let's say Tiger finishes his career with 20 more PGA wins, (and the most of all time), but 2 less majors than Jack. I think that will be the argument in determining the GOAT in people's eyes. The fact that Tiger won 25% of the tournaments he entered in his prime will come second to that.

Edit: By 20 more PGA wins, I mean 20 more than Jack.

The Juggler

eddiec said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Why?

A hundred years from now, how many people, even golf fans, will sit and watch the 1997 masters on youtube (or some other platform)?
Probably not many, if any. But they will look at the numbers. Let's say Tiger finishes his career with 20 more PGA wins, (and the most of all time), but 2 less majors than Jack. I think that will be the argument in determining the GOAT in people's eyes. The fact that Tiger won 25% of the tournaments he entered in his prime will come second to that.

Edit: By 20 more PGA wins, I mean 20 more than Jack.

yep

Cliffy6745

But Sam Snead isn't even in the conversation, so what does breaking some record of his from the 40s and 50s matter?

Not that they will sit and watch, but every word that will be written will have Jack and Tiger as 1 and 2, one way or the other. I think the 25% number is much more powerful and at this point I just don't see what winning some random dumb tournament matters anymore.  The Masters cemented him to me as the best golfer ever, winning the John Deere is completely irrelevant.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

But Sam Snead isn't even in the conversation, so what does breaking some record of his from the 40s and 50s matter?

Not that they will sit and watch, but every word that will be written will have Jack and Tiger as 1 and 2, one way or the other. I think the 25% number is much more powerful and at this point I just don't see what winning some random dumb tournament matters anymore.  The Masters cemented him to me as the best golfer ever, winning the John Deere is completely irrelevant.

It's just a numbers game. Everyone knows Tiger is a better golfer than Sam Sneed. But if you think Tiger doesn't care, even a little bit, about finishing second to him you're crazy. 

bootlegger10

Cliffy6745 said:

Why?

I know Sneed’s name because he has the most wins.  Once tiger breaks that bye bye Sneed in 30 years.

if the GOAT debate is based on majors, then so be it.  But if not, you need to put a list of criteria together.  All time wins leader is a damn good stat to have in your column.

eddiec

Cliffy6745 said:

But Sam Snead isn't even in the conversation, so what does breaking some record of his from the 40s and 50s matter?

Not that they will sit and watch, but every word that will be written will have Jack and Tiger as 1 and 2, one way or the other. I think the 25% number is much more powerful and at this point I just don't see what winning some random dumb tournament matters anymore.  The Masters cemented him to me as the best golfer ever, winning the John Deere is completely irrelevant.

I agree with most of what you're saying. His cuts made streak and win percentage will never be touched. But I don't look at it as breaking Snead's record as a comparison to him vs Snead. It's about Tiger being on top of one win category and Jack another. At the end of the day, nobody is going to say, but it was the John Deere. It will just be known as a PGA win. (Side note- him winning the John Deere now would be a lot more impressive than most tournaments he won when he was younger.)

Ledbetterman10

eddiec said:

Cliffy6745 said:

But Sam Snead isn't even in the conversation, so what does breaking some record of his from the 40s and 50s matter?

Not that they will sit and watch, but every word that will be written will have Jack and Tiger as 1 and 2, one way or the other. I think the 25% number is much more powerful and at this point I just don't see what winning some random dumb tournament matters anymore.  The Masters cemented him to me as the best golfer ever, winning the John Deere is completely irrelevant.

I agree with most of what you're saying. His cuts made streak and win percentage will never be touched. But I don't look at it as breaking Snead's record as a comparison to him vs Snead. It's about Tiger being on top of one win category and Jack another. At the end of the day, nobody is going to say, but it was the John Deere. It will just be known as a PGA win. (Side note- him winning the John Deere now would be a lot more impressive than most tournaments he won when he was younger.)

Another record of his that will never be touched his time spent atop the world golf rankings. Two separate five year reigns? Incredible.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Tiger_Woods#Reign_as_World_No._1_Male_Golfer

JojoRice

Shot my lowest round ever today. 77

Cliffy6745

eddiec said:

Cliffy6745 said:

But Sam Snead isn't even in the conversation, so what does breaking some record of his from the 40s and 50s matter?

Not that they will sit and watch, but every word that will be written will have Jack and Tiger as 1 and 2, one way or the other. I think the 25% number is much more powerful and at this point I just don't see what winning some random dumb tournament matters anymore.  The Masters cemented him to me as the best golfer ever, winning the John Deere is completely irrelevant.

I agree with most of what you're saying. His cuts made streak and win percentage will never be touched. But I don't look at it as breaking Snead's record as a comparison to him vs Snead. It's about Tiger being on top of one win category and Jack another. At the end of the day, nobody is going to say, but it was the John Deere. It will just be known as a PGA win. (Side note- him winning the John Deere now would be a lot more impressive than most tournaments he won when he was younger.)

That’s fair and I’ll lean in on that a little. Any record is a good record. I just don’t think another (it’s one to tie, right?) regular win changes a damn thing. Majors are the only thing that matters at this point in my mind 

bootlegger10

It isn't easy to win any tournament let alone 81 of them.  Ask Jordan Spieth how easy it is to win right now?  Justin Thomas?   A great year for most players is two victories.  Three is player of the year stuff.  WGC's have better fields than majors and Tiger has cleaned up on those.  18 vs. 15 majors isn't a runaway in my opinion and isn't a big enough difference to proclaim one better than the other unless they played in the same era. 

bootlegger10

JojoRice said:

Shot my lowest round ever today. 77

That is awesome!   You can't have many hiccups to get that score.

I'm getting hopeful to break that 80 barrier sometime this year.  Got my handicap down to 11.6 today with an 85.   The short game is there.  Right now the 20 - 80 yard pitch shots are killing me.  Just need to go to a course when it isn't busy and bounce around and just hit those shots (a lot more fun than a range). Although you gotta fix all the ball marks.

Cliffy6745

Ugh, so I guess we're gonna get a lot of JB tomorrow, and hopefully just tomorrow...