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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    eddiec said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    eddiec said:
    Indifference71 said:
    eddiec said:


    bbiggs said:
    It’s funny that Brooks is so good. He’s a meat head. Dude looks like a linebacker. I know all these guys are in excellent shape and the training regimens are off the charts, but he’s bulky. Not your typical golfer’s physique. 
    Could prove to be his achilles heel in the future. 

    LOL.  Guy is about to win his 4th major out of the last 8 and people still love to talk about how he's in too good of shape!  You must love listening to Brandel Chamblee.
    Not at all. 
    Just pointing out that it would be difficult to maintain that physique and stay injury free over a long period of time. 
    Why?
    For one, the torque of the golf swing. Obviously time will tell, but there is a big difference between swinging the club when you're 28 compared to 38 and the stress it puts on the upper body. There was always the belief by many that Tiger had become too muscular. If you look at guys who have had long careers, they tend to be in great shape but not overly muscular. Els is a good example, as is Michelson- long fluid swings. Vijay would be another. Again, I'm talking about longevity over 10+ years, not just 5 years, because that is what it would take to win 10+ majors.

    Edit: By long careers I also mean still being relevant into their older age.
    I agree with all this.
    So obviously it got close at the end, but this was a real snoozer of a major. I went out and cut the grass right at the time when he built the lead back up to 6 strokes with 7 or so to play.

    I'm tired of Brooks winning all the time. I think Pebble will be a lot more interesting..
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    Golf is the only sport where being fit and in shape is criticized...

  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    Have we really seen a good sample size of muscular, fit golfers and how they are in their late 30’s and 40’s?  Tiger was really the first and I would argue his injuries are more self inflicted because he wanted to be a Navy Seal, but also overdoing the training.    Otherwise,
    we need to wait another 10 years to see how Koepka, DJ, McIlroy, etc... fare.   The violent swing will be the culprit over fitness.  
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    bootlegger10 said:
    Have we really seen a good sample size of muscular, fit golfers and how they are in their late 30’s and 40’s?  Tiger was really the first and I would argue his injuries are more self inflicted because he wanted to be a Navy Seal, but also overdoing the training.    Otherwise,
    we need to wait another 10 years to see how Koepka, DJ, McIlroy, etc... fare.   The violent swing will be the culprit over fitness.  
    This
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited May 2019
    bootlegger10 said:
    Have we really seen a good sample size of muscular, fit golfers and how they are in their late 30’s and 40’s?  Tiger was really the first and I would argue his injuries are more self inflicted because he wanted to be a Navy Seal, but also overdoing the training.    Otherwise,
    we need to wait another 10 years to see how Koepka, DJ, McIlroy, etc... fare.   The violent swing will be the culprit over fitness.  
    Golf has been around for how many years though? If it was an advantage for longevity, don't you think we would've seen it by now?  I think you're making Eddie's point here. Also, I would not say DJ and Rory have the same body type as Brooks. They're definitely in great shape but not overly muscular, especially DJ. Guess we won't know the answer to this for another decade or so. 

    And Hank Haney disagrees with you on Tiger, by the way. 
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    The Juggler said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Have we really seen a good sample size of muscular, fit golfers and how they are in their late 30’s and 40’s?  Tiger was really the first and I would argue his injuries are more self inflicted because he wanted to be a Navy Seal, but also overdoing the training.    Otherwise,
    we need to wait another 10 years to see how Koepka, DJ, McIlroy, etc... fare.   The violent swing will be the culprit over fitness.  
    Golf has been around for how many years though? If it was an advantage for longevity, don't you think we would've seen it by now?  I think you're making Eddie's point here. Also, I would not say DJ and Rory have the same body type as Brooks. They're definitely in great shape but not overly muscular, especially DJ. Guess we won't know the answer to this for another decade or so. 

    And Hank Haney disagrees with you on Tiger, by the way. 
    I think we are seeing a lot of change in sport due to technology and changes in thinking.  NBA is dominated by guards and forwards versus centers.  Baseball players are swinging up on the ball now versus down with more pitchers throwing 95mph +.  Sacrificing batting average to the point of the stat not even being important.   

    Tiger was really the first one to focus on the weight room.  I think it is just a complete paradigm shift that hadn’t been tested before by golfers in the past.   Technology allows for all sorts of analysis on ball speed, spin, etc... Players see the results that added strength and flexibility has on these metrics.  

    I agree that DJ is more lean than muscular.  I think he is genetically predisposed to be a great golfer based on his flexibility.  Others have to rely more on strength training.  
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    The most dominate golfer of all time concentrates on strength/flexibility

    Rory, who while under achieving, has one of the better A games out there, concentrates on strength/flexibility

    The guy who who 4 out of the last 8 majors, concentrates....
     
    These guys are just athletes.  Why not be stronger than everyone else?

    Also, I don't think people are going to care nearly as much about longevity as they once did with the money out there.  Dominate for 10 years, make tens of millions on winnings, and untold more on sponsorship's and go do your thing.  The Champion's Tour is going to be in rough shape when people don't need to play it to feed their families/pay alimony 

    Who gives a shit what Hank Haney has to say...
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    Also, funny that people are doing the HE'S TOO STRONG!*@(!( takes after Brooks lays waste to everyone....again.

    Who cares...
  • JojoRice
    JojoRice Kennesaw, GA Posts: 4,553

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    I just finished reading Paper Tiger.  Pretty solid book and a Philly native, so recommended.  Not my favorite golf book by any stretch, but still good and I digress

    What he talks about in the mental game is exactly the kind of stuff that Brooks talks about.  How people are already in their heads and out of it before they tee off.  How you should be completely in the zone, one shot at a time and envision that shot exactly as you want it hit thinking about nothing else

    I think there is a lot too this with Brooks.  He talks about how he just blacks out.  He has one focus and it works.  I do think his mental game right now is so far and away better than everyone else.  Tiger like.
  • The Juggler
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    Cliffy6745 said:
    The most dominate golfer of all time concentrates on strength/flexibility

    Rory, who while under achieving, has one of the better A games out there, concentrates on strength/flexibility

    The guy who who 4 out of the last 8 majors, concentrates....
     
    These guys are just athletes.  Why not be stronger than everyone else?

    Also, I don't think people are going to care nearly as much about longevity as they once did with the money out there.  Dominate for 10 years, make tens of millions on winnings, and untold more on sponsorship's and go do your thing.  The Champion's Tour is going to be in rough shape when people don't need to play it to feed their families/pay alimony 

    Who gives a shit what Hank Haney has to say...
    Yeah, well, we're not talking about people who are just strong and in shape. There is nothing wrong with concentrating on strength and flexibility. We're talking, specifically, about a guy like Brooks' bulkier body type (at least that is the impression I got from Eddie saying he's built like a linebacker). And I specifically said I would not put Rory in Brooks' category anyway...

    I guess I agree with your second point....but longevity was the whole point of Eddie's initial post. 

    And regarding Tiger, Hank knows his game better than just about anyone in the world. So I definitely care what he has to say about that subject.
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  • bootlegger10
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    JojoRice said:


    I was okay with the cart initially, but in this case I think he just needs to see the writing on the wall.  It is either a tournament or an exhibition.  I know not everyone has a chance to win, but Daly had no chance on this course and in his condition.  Needs to hang it up on the PGA tour. 
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    The Juggler said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The most dominate golfer of all time concentrates on strength/flexibility

    Rory, who while under achieving, has one of the better A games out there, concentrates on strength/flexibility

    The guy who who 4 out of the last 8 majors, concentrates....
     
    These guys are just athletes.  Why not be stronger than everyone else?

    Also, I don't think people are going to care nearly as much about longevity as they once did with the money out there.  Dominate for 10 years, make tens of millions on winnings, and untold more on sponsorship's and go do your thing.  The Champion's Tour is going to be in rough shape when people don't need to play it to feed their families/pay alimony 

    Who gives a shit what Hank Haney has to say...
    Yeah, well, we're not talking about people who are just strong and in shape. There is nothing wrong with concentrating on strength and flexibility. We're talking, specifically, about a guy like Brooks' bulkier body type (at least that is the impression I got from Eddie saying he's built like a linebacker). And I specifically said I would not put Rory in Brooks' category anyway...

    I guess I agree with your second point....but longevity was the whole point of Eddie's initial post. 

    And regarding Tiger, Hank knows his game better than just about anyone in the world. So I definitely care what he has to say about that subject.
    I just don't get why the day after a dude wins his 4th major in the last 8 tries, there is talk about his physique.  Granted, the tournament was about as compelling as paint drying, but that's what happens when a dude goes 63-65 on a brutal course.  I am not Koepka's biggest fan. I think the has the personality of my desk, but it works for him and who cares how long he plays.  I have asked this question before and I wonder if yesterday changes it.  Would you rather have DJ or Koepka's career to date? I think I take the latter after yesterday?

    Does he though?  Haney is a whore and has made more money off the celebrity of "coaching" the best player in the world (who probably didn't even need a coach) than he has off of anything else.  If I were listing the people who know Tigers game the most it goes.  

    Tiger
    MASSIVE, MASSIVE, MASSIVE, MASSIVE GAP
    Notah
    Butch
    Maybe some other random people close to him
    MASSIVE GAP
    Haney
    Other Tiger coaches
    GAP
    Random analysts
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    bootlegger10 said:
    JojoRice said:


    I was okay with the cart initially, but in this case I think he just needs to see the writing on the wall.  It is either a tournament or an exhibition.  I know not everyone has a chance to win, but Daly had no chance on this course and in his condition.  Needs to hang it up on the PGA tour. 
    Yeah, F this.  He has no business in a cart.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    And point being on the Haney front, I'd take Butch's resume a million times out of a million over Haney's and he clearly doesn't have a problem with the muscles given his stable (including Tiger).  The muscle stuff seemed like an excuse from Haney for Tiger not winning more under him.
  • CROJAM95
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    If anyone is near Bethpage, I just passed by

    50% off all merch til 4pm
    lot C

    i knew they were gonna do this like 2002 US Open...but forgot while drinking and bought my merch Saturday
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    edited May 2019
    the parts I saw the NY fans really came across as total d-bags.  classy yelling out 'choke' to Koepka.  
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    pjhawks said:
    the parts I saw the NY fans really came across as total d-bags.  classy yelling out 'choke' to Koepka.  
    You do realize lot of out of towners? 

    But yes Northeasterners are assholes are a look at me asshole bunch
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    CROJAM95 said:
    pjhawks said:
    the parts I saw the NY fans really came across as total d-bags.  classy yelling out 'choke' to Koepka.  
    You do realize lot of out of towners? 

    But yes Northeasterners are assholes are a look at me asshole bunch
    stop. you don't really believe it was the out of towners acting that way do you?

    and they are going to have the Ryder Cup there. that will get ugly.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    pjhawks said:
    the parts I saw the NY fans really came across as total d-bags.  classy yelling out 'choke' to Koepka.  
    They wear being d-bags like a badge of honor. Treated by the media like annoying toddlers whose parents think they are “being cute” but every other self-respecting adult would have taught their kids not to act like that.

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