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Excellent show boys. Worst crowd ever.

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    Dissident67Dissident67 Posts: 565
    MikeSig wrote:
    Couple of things: I've been to over 400 shows at my young age of 27, and I have come to realize that the crowd IS important to the overall quality of a show for two reasons. First, the band feeds off of the energy of the crowd: this cannot be denied as tons of artists have said it, and we've all witnessed it. Second, it is tough to rock out when the people around you are either sitting or standing as if posing for a statue - without a lot of alcohol, it just makes you feel awkward.

    Also, the crowd last night did suck, and unfortunately this is not surprising for NJ. I was born, raised, and still live in Jersey, so it really pains me to say this, but outside of Bruce shows, NJ crowds are hit-or-miss at best. I've seen people in the pit standing still while the Foo Fighters played "Monkey Wrench." I've seen people sitting in the pit (mind you there were no seats) during Green Day playing "Basket Case." I could go on and on, but those are just two examples. It pains me to say this, but NYC and Philly crowds generally blow NJ crowds away.

    In the end, it was still a great show last night, but the crowd kept it from getting to the next level. I don't think we'll have that same problem at MSG, as I am expecting an epic couple of nights.

    yeah I think this sums up jersey crowds pretty well, unfortunately. The other bad thing about jersey crowds that has always stuck out to me is there are so many drunk asshole screaming things the whole time.
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    Chris DesiChris Desi Posts: 19
    People who check their e-mail during a PJ show should be brought out to the sewamps and flogged!
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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    Don't forget the Posting Guidelines during a discussion...abusive posts not ok.

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    PJaddictedPJaddicted Posts: 1,432
    I was in section 18 and it rocked! I am 50 years old, and didn't stop moving the entire show! Thanks PJ for an awesome show....and THANK YOU 10C for GREAT seats again!
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    nycratsnycrats Posts: 1,348
    the moderator sent us here from the review of the show but i would respectfully disagree that the crowd is part of the show experience. was the crowd singing, jumping, etc does impact the feel of the show, hence the feel of the music. pearl jam are feeding off the crowd energy. now i had a great time last night and did not let the crowd affect me, but i do always look for the lottery winners, and these people do have a duty to rock the fuk out - otherwise they wont do the lottery again. its an honor and carries a duty!
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    ragejoeragejoe Agawam Mass Posts: 1,413
    MrSmith wrote:
    get rid of seniority!


    wo wo wo... calm down on that request hahahaha... Not all of us have turned LAME... me and my buddys still ROCK OUT 100% of the time... ok, we breaking during the encore breaks... But thats it!
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    Red LukinRed Lukin Canada Posts: 2,994
    How was the crowd in Boston - still loud and crazy like prior years?
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    our right side stage section and the ones next were rocking out hard- mustve been a different show?
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    BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,292
    Red Lukin wrote:
    How was the crowd in Boston - still loud and crazy like prior years?


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    Bathgate66Bathgate66 Posts: 15,813
    JL19851 wrote:
    Same thing happened when I went to see Springsteen at Giants Stadium. My fiance went to the bathroom and some chick tried to take her seat, and I told her the seat was taken. When she didn't want to move, I told her I was calling for security, she then moved.

    That crowd (for Bruce!) was also dead, and on a Saturday night...only singing along to Born to Run and Glory Days...they didn't even get excited for Born in the USA.

    Jersey crowds are not particularly great crowds. Hopefully the energy will be much better tomorrow and Friday, when I will be there. :-)


    Youre opening up a different can of worms here by mentioning names ( especially Bruce ) ,

    -- it just might be you were in the middle of a 10 night run , everyone of which was sold out .

    The crowd makes or breaks the night very little to me,

    I'm only worried about enjoying the band and reacting myself .

    If I'm tired, or in pain, I sit down for a song or two .


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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    nycrats wrote:
    the moderator sent us here from the review of the show but i would respectfully disagree that the crowd is part of the show experience. was the crowd singing, jumping, etc does impact the feel of the show, hence the feel of the music. pearl jam are feeding off the crowd energy. now i had a great time last night and did not let the crowd affect me, but i do always look for the lottery winners, and these people do have a duty to rock the fuk out - otherwise they wont do the lottery again. its an honor and carries a duty!

    There's a line...if the Fanview contains a crowd comment, that's absolutely the way a Fanview should go but to focus post after post on the crowd isn't what the Fanview threads are about. :) okey dokey?

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    MikeSigMikeSig Posts: 74
    our right side stage section and the ones next were rocking out hard- mustve been a different show?

    Actually, I have to give credit to the sections right next to the stage on the left and right sides (the "wings," so to speak). They were rocking the fuck out, and were captivated during the mellow songs as well. Whenever I felt bummed out by the people on the floor, I looked to those sections for some fun.

    The bottom line is that when Eddie Vedder makes a comment about the crowd being quiet, you know that there was a problem. We're just lucky it didn't affect the band.
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    pjpitt89pjpitt89 Posts: 1,821
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    The lady behind me asked me to sit down for a few, 1st time that's happened to me

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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,901
    edited May 2010
    Who spends their time, their money on ticket & food & merchandise to go to a rock show & look, listen & focus on the crowd? You are there for one thing .. the music. The band that is working on stage. You are paying to see them. That is why you are there .. right? If you are paying to only see the crowd, what they wear, what perfume they are wearing, searching for stars and long lost friends & just there trying to pick up chicks, then you are in the wrong planet. It's a rock show. You do know Pearl Jam is on stage right? You do know you payed 80 something plus bucks to see this band. You do like Pearl Jam right? You do know they are a rock band? Know what they look like right? And so there you are with your reserved seat! What are you to do for 3 hour's when the band is on stage? No, you don't sit down. It's not an opera! You turn your eyes to the stage & rock the fuck out. That's why you are there, right?

    Know how things can change? How everybody will be happy? Know how each & every 10club member can score 10club ticket's & not get shut out? There should be no pair ticket's. That's right. Only one 10club ticket per 10club paying member per show. And no lottery @ all. Let it be seniroty for life! Don't like it, head to Europe for their festival show's. How would that feel? Sad each day everybody comes here & get's mad & climb the walls over little things. Let the guy's on stage worry about the crowd. Let them suprise you. You shouldn't care if the guy next to you is a zombie or the girl in front of you is twiling & twiling half naked! It's a rock show. Go fucking crazy!!!

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    i don't get these threads..


    i was 1st row section 18 and my row and the 2 behind me were crazy

    but really who cares... if you're at the show rock yourself and forget the rest


    WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF ...THAT''S ALL THAT MATTERS


    jeez do u even watch the band ????????



    MAKE YOUR OWN ENERGY !!!!!!!! or just complain :roll:
    seriously...who even watches the crowd the whole show unless they are boring and sitting themselves...? i rocked out the whole show- and when i glanced around it seemed chaotic. the band was on fire..saw no one sitting or standing there with arms folded- not one...this thread is baffling....?
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    mustbechrismustbechris Posts: 228
    I mentioned this on the fanview as well. This isn't generic crowd bitching, it was just dead, and yall gotta trust us on that cause we're mostly in agreement here. Section 18 sounds well-represented and that's good for them, but I was up in 228 and that was an okay section all things considered, but 227 next to me was absolutely dead. At least (probably more than) 90% of them were sitting. My buddy who was in 227 got asked to sit down because the people behind him couldn't see. I mean, it's not about jumping around. I didn't jump around at all. You don't need to know all the songs or be excited for all the songs because I know that not everyone is going to know all the rare stuff - especially on a night where they played a LOT of rare stuff. I know that everyone isn't a hardcore fan, either. But please, stand up and show interest. Don't sit and text the whole time. I don't care about drunk people screaming over things or couples kissing the whole time or people talking because all of that is expected at a show. Just show some interest and stand up. That's it. You paid plenty of money. Too many people were sitting (and asking people to sit so they can see), plain and simple.

    The crowd didn't ruin it for me because the show was still great. I wasn't there for the crowd, I was there for the show. But it's still a valid observation to make, so don't blast us for making the observation. If nobody mentioned the crowd, people would be asking how the crowd was, so don't act like we're all just bitching for the sake of bitching. Again, maybe I'm just spoiled by the shows I've seen at the Spectrum or the Center or the Tweeter or the Electric Factory in Philly which all have incredible crowds no matter what the band or type of show is, but there was something about this crowd that was lacking, and it was a shame to see.
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    bobasfeetbobasfeet Posts: 1,066
    MrSmith wrote:
    get rid of seniority!


    please go back to the old way...only seniority for the members living in the state they are playing
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    T-Bone 82T-Bone 82 Posts: 398
    I thought the crowd was OK, not terrible, not great.

    People have to realize a few things that contributed to the crowd being kind of tame:

    1) This was a Tuesday night. People have jobs. Many attending had to work yesterday and today. You're rarely going to get a pheonomenal crowd on a Tuesday night.

    2) This show was added late and with MSG coming up, people weren't DYING to see this show. It's like playing an exhibition game before the season opener. It's just not going to be a wild, crazy environment.

    3) The weather was God-awful yesterday. 50 degrees and rainy in mid-May. Had it been 80 and sunny, I think you would have had a lot more tailgaiting and a generally more pleasant mood. It also contributed to traffic getting there.

    Having said all that, I really think the crowd was okay. It wasn't nuts, but people cheered and reacted really well to quite a few songs including almost everything they played off Backspacer.

    People need to manage their expectations. The band was great, the crowd was okay, and just about everyone had fun. You're not going to get an epic show every time out, and certainly not when there are all the mitigating factors I mentioned.
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    London BridgeLondon Bridge USA Posts: 4,733
    Maybe playing Newark on a rainy Tuesday night isn't a good thing to do :lol:

    I took note of the lack of enthusiasm and moved on. It was a very nice setlist, and I enjoyed the show.

    It would be interesting to know the number of people from each of these states that attended the show.
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    yellowporchyellowporch Posts: 510
    I wasn't at this show but the set list looks great! I think it's kind of unfair to say that just because it was Tuesday and rainy the crowd wasn't energized. Monday night in Boston was overcast and that's the shittiest day of the week. It doesn't even matter, I didn't come in here to compare shows at all. I just wanted to say that you guys got immortality, in hiding, alone, indifference, footsteps! Be pumped and be proud of the songs you were able to see :) and get ready for MSG :D
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    lockedlocked Boston Posts: 4,000
    as eddie once said to another NJ crowd in 2006..

    "Boston was louder.... that's all I'm sayin"...

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    TheLongingTheLonging Posts: 2
    It's really not fair to blame NJ. If MSG crowds are awesome, you have to consider how many people in the audience are not New Yorkers. Sure, plenty of locals - but TONS of fans are in the mix from the Tri-State and all around the US and the world, because we love this band (wish I had the money to catch more shows!).

    I was at both MSG shows last year and on night 2, almost everyone in my section was sitting and/or texting, so it's not without its share. The Newark floor was indeed sadly lacking in energy last night and I felt bad for the band, who were giving it there all. But targeting NJ is too easy. I like to think we PJ fans are a better bunch than that.
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    over bendsover bends Posts: 1,568
    edited May 2010
    I don't get why people don't realize that some people enjoy a show significantly less by jumping up and down, shaking their heads around, and worrying if people on the 10c forums will consider their fan behavior acceptable crowd participation. Everyone enjoys a show differently, and not everyone has to know the words to Alone and Brother.
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    AndoAndo Denver Posts: 410
    Everyone is missing the point of this thread. People arent complaining about the crowd because it ruined the show or the night in general. They are complaining because they have been to shows in Boston, NYC and PHilly and knows the crowd does effect the band, the atmosphere and the feel of a concert. when the crowd is into a show (into meaning standing, cheering, clapping, smiling,bopping around) the atmosphere changes. It simply does. It becomes and event in your life not just a concert. It not only means something to you it means something to Pearl Jam. When Ed looked out to a crowd that knew and screamed every word of Betterman in Philly last year do you think that is something hes ever going to forget? No the crowd means alot to the band not just us in the crowd.

    its a good thing im going to MSG tomorrow so i know the crowd is goign to be at a different level. No worries here!
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    nycratsnycrats Posts: 1,348
    Kat wrote:
    nycrats wrote:
    the moderator sent us here from the review of the show but i would respectfully disagree that the crowd is part of the show experience. was the crowd singing, jumping, etc does impact the feel of the show, hence the feel of the music. pearl jam are feeding off the crowd energy. now i had a great time last night and did not let the crowd affect me, but i do always look for the lottery winners, and these people do have a duty to rock the fuk out - otherwise they wont do the lottery again. its an honor and carries a duty!

    There's a line...if the Fanview contains a crowd comment, that's absolutely the way a Fanview should go but to focus post after post on the crowd isn't what the Fanview threads are about. :) okey dokey?

    x


    ok fair enough... youre right it was harping way too much on the crowd... it was a bit overkill.. well the people around me were pretty cool!
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    in eds treein eds tree Denver Posts: 539
    I usually don't even NOTICE the crowd, but I have to agree that it was weird that being in row 19 and getting all enthused but seeing most people in front of me standing still was just weird. Also, although it absolutely did not ruin the show, it was a little annoying to have to move every two seconds so someone could leave to go get beer, or having to deal with an inordinate amount of people pushing past me to try to get to the front and then being escorted back to their seats. Like 4 songs into the show people were just coming down to their seats (and I had seen them earlier at the bar upstairs). No skin off my nose, but it was just something I'd never experienced with the crowd. Still rocked my ass off :D
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    fanSince10fanSince10 Posts: 3
    We were in section 16, row 13, which were great seats btw, and we stood the whole time, singing and fumbling lyrics. my days of floor seats are over (my fiance is 5'2") but have been happy sitting stage right (or is it left?) for the last two shows Ive seen. Our section was really great, and all the sections around me seemed to be standing and singing.
    obviously not everyone knows every song so you'll always get some that just don't know what song is playing. People are always gonna come in wanting to hear songs from 10, VS, and vitalogy and I think that's the crowd that showed up yesterday. PJ made a difference in a lot of people's lives, especially in the 90's and I think some people had lost touch with them since them. now backspacer's commercial success has brought many of those fans back and going to concerts and I gurantee many are hearing songs for the first time. Which is is great, I think.
    To be critical of newark by saying the NJ crowds suck compared to NYC, Boston, Philly, etc is idiotic. NYC is only 10 miles away and many will be going to both venues. I think what happnd was it was a Tuesday night, and most people worked all day but still wanted to catch their fav band. but most of us still have to get up next day, drop kids off at school and head off to work.
    The band sounded great, Ed was energetic, albeit slightly condescending towards NJ, but he seemed to like the Pru Center venue. It wasn't my fav set ever, but loved hearing Footsteps, Do/Evolution. Great night still. great portuguese restaurants in Newark for those smart enough to enjoy the area....
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    Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    MrSmith wrote:
    get rid of seniority!

    I guess if my number sucked I would ask for this too. :roll:

    Get real. You do not have to jump around like a complete Jackass to enjoy a PJ show. For goodness sake. I was at on of the DC shows on th floor and jumping around, until I tripped on a chair, since they pack them in so tight, and knocked over a few people. I then realized that jumping on the floor might not be the best thing. On top of that there are some songs I like to pay attention to the band, so jumping is not a option.
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    curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,254
    I think t-bone 82 makes some good points. I also was underwhelmed by the crowd, and here are my thoughts:

    1) No, I'm not spending my time at the show wondering what people in other sections are doing. On the other hand, those of us not on the floor have a good view of the floor, and the floor was pretty quiet last night.

    2) The people on the floor or in the rafters don't affect my enjoyment of the show, but the people right around me do. When people around me are more focused on texting or following the hockey game or the baseball game, I start to feel as if I should not be jumping around and being loud, you know? I have a high number, and sometimes I wonder if the people around me are in the 10C or not. Some folks were busy texting, some were busy filming or taking pictures, some were rocking out, some were more interested in the hockey game being shown in the bar.

    I enjoyed the crowd around me much less than I have at other shows. Maybe it's because I was in a bad mood after getting completely soaked before the show, or maybe it was the crowd. I don't know.
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    fanSince10fanSince10 Posts: 3
    ran out of space on last post. just wanted to add some final thoughts...we were both too trashed last night to talk about concert but I just asked my fiance what she thought about crowd. she agreed our side was rocking (mike really fed off our energy and vice versa) but she did notice many sections sitting down like many of you. too bad I guess. but thats just bad luck I guess. still dont think its due to the entire state of NJ or Newark. obviously I'm quite defensive of NWK. I was born there and still live nearby. I just find it funny to hear American cities criticize each other about who's a better crowd.
    if you really want to hear a great crowd, go to LONDON where old and new generations still love to hear great rock bands of all kinds. I saw PJ at the 02 last summer and crowd was awesome. it's unfortunate that our great, unknown, American bands have to go to UK to make a living. but anyway, sorry going off on a whole other subject....
    I saw that Gone and Porch were on the original set list last night but scratched off. would've liked to hear them both but i'm sure i'll catch them another time.
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