14 years and counting...

haffajappa

scb wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

Hey speaking of immigration i forgot to mention,
i read in the paper a couple weeks ago about an El Salvadorian man being deported from Canada (from my neighbourhood) but didn't really understand why because the article didn't say many details as it was an editorial or something. One of my customers came in to the store yesterday and asked me if I'd sign the petition for him... She didn't really explain it well either which I feel is unfortunate because if she had made it clear what's happening i think she could get a lot more signatures. Well I signed it anyways (even though i generally try to be a bit more educated when i do sign petitions) but I'm glad I did because it looks like the federal gov't is deporting him because of his "terrorist" ties 20 years ago during the civil war...

here's a part of the article:

Figueroa has been told by the immigration board that his involvement in the “terrorist” political organization ‘FMLN’ 20 years ago is the reason he must be sent away.

As a university student, he was part of a student group trying to gain support for the FMLN in the late 1980s.

He never participated in any fighting. The strangest twist is that in 2009, the FMLN was democratically elected as El Salvador’s government — one which is recognized by both the UN and the Canadian government as a legitimate political party.

At the time Figueroa got involved with the FMLN he was a young man who had grown up watching the extreme violence perpetrated on his people by the then-government regime.

Death squads shot into crowds at a funeral of an archbishop.

The Salvadoran Civil War went from 1980 to 1992 when a peace agreement was signed and has been upheld ever since.

The government at the time was responsible for 85 per cent of the violence in the civil war. The FMLN was considered the leftist group.

I know that a trust fund is set up for him because his family can't afford legal help...
Our stupid MP Mark Warawa (Conservative Party) says "“The immigration board is an independent tribunal who decides who can stay and who must go. They’ve decided he needs to leave Canada and he will,” What a jerk!

Oh you have got to be fucking kidding! That's total bullshit!! :evil:

This happened to a former KGB officer a little while ago as well.
Although he wasn't here legally...

cincybearcat

haffajappa wrote:

Well I signed it anyways (even though i generally try to be a bit more educated when i do sign petitions)

This is why petitions are often worthless...well, they are worth whatever a recycler will give you for the paper I guess.

I know nothing more than what you typed about the situation, so not saying anything about the particular situation, but people often sign petitions without knowing anything about it. At least you had some idea.

haffajappa

cincybearcat wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

Well I signed it anyways (even though i generally try to be a bit more educated when i do sign petitions)

This is why petitions are often worthless...well, they are worth whatever a recycler will give you for the paper I guess.

I know nothing more than what you typed about the situation, so not saying anything about the particular situation, but people often sign petitions without knowing anything about it. At least you had some idea.

yeah it actually bothered me a bit, because when i asked the lady she couldn't quite explain it.
you'ren not going to get very may signatures that way, and at least you're not going to get people very educated on the issue. I only signed because like i said i had read a bit about it a few weeks ago just didn't know the entire situation as much as i'd liked. she just said he was being deported... but why? (I asked)
I mean, if he's a sex predator or murderer or something i'm not going to sign a petition for him to stay just because he goes to your church (the only thing she could conjure up).

MoonTurtle

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/nyreg ... ig.html?hp

unsung

That link has a story with a very misleading title.

haffajappa

unsung wrote:

That link has a story with a very misleading title.

how?

MoonTurtle

yea, how?

haffajappa wrote:

unsung wrote:

That link has a story with a very misleading title.

how?

unsung

He is not a legal immigrant instead he is one that has defied deportation orders, therefore he is in the country illegally. There is a difference between legal and illegal, yet these LW newspapers are trying to make it sound like people who are against illegal immigration are against all immigration. They act as if we want all immigrants removed, which is not the case. They need to define his status instead of making a generalization. The title is vague.

MoonTurtle

the title does not state whether he has proper docs or not, therefore it is not misleading. also,I think there must be a grace period or something if you are appealing because the article states he will be granted a work visa in July.

unsung wrote:

He is not a legal immigrant instead he is one that has defied deportation orders, therefore he is in the country illegally. There is a difference between legal and illegal, yet these LW newspapers are trying to make it sound like people who are against illegal immigration are against all immigration. They act as if we want all immigrants removed, which is not the case. They need to define his status instead of making a generalization. The title is vague.

haffajappa

but he's married to an American so whats the biggie?

josevolution

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/world/americas/us-un-migrant-children-families.amp.html
Despicable administration , the harm being done to these kids is a crime there has to be a better way to deal with this problem...

HughFreakingDillon

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes said:

Build a wall.

Citizenship for all that are already here.

But it has to be in that order.

Donald?

tbergs

Ghosts of PJ forums past in this thread, except for one...

josevolution

11thousand kids separated form their parents and counting being stored as if they are unused boxes surely not treated like kids should be treated ! it's a miserable situation for these kids and this administration doesn't give a damn about them that goes for all of congress & senate they are standing by this idiot of a president they are violating human rights but who cares right .....I'm ashamed to be living in this country ...

josevolution

Kids being taken form their parents is a human rights violation, what has this country become?

cincybearcat

josevolution said:

Kids being taken form their parents is a human rights violation, what has this country become?

Yeah....I'm all for real immigration reform.  I'm for strengthening the security of the borders, not likely a physical wall.  I'm for some deportation, but this is crazy.  But you do get crazy when you neglect your laws for soooooo long and then start to try and enforce them with no plan.

josevolution

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

Kids being taken form their parents is a human rights violation, what has this country become?

Yeah....I'm all for real immigration reform.  I'm for strengthening the security of the borders, not likely a physical wall.  I'm for some deportation, but this is crazy.  But you do get crazy when you neglect your laws for soooooo long and then start to try and enforce them with no plan.

I hear you I’m also for logical immigration reform heck I was thinking about this issue last night when me my mother & two siblings walked thru customs at JFK airport in 1971 how it would of felt for the agents to take her away from us would of been traumatic to us ! Now I know it’s not the same as sneaking across the southern border but for them to be taken from their parents is a crime and it has to stop !

cincybearcat

josevolution said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

Kids being taken form their parents is a human rights violation, what has this country become?

Yeah....I'm all for real immigration reform.  I'm for strengthening the security of the borders, not likely a physical wall.  I'm for some deportation, but this is crazy.  But you do get crazy when you neglect your laws for soooooo long and then start to try and enforce them with no plan.

I hear you I’m also for logical immigration reform heck I was thinking about this issue last night when me my mother & two siblings walked thru customs at JFK airport in 1971 how it would of felt for the agents to take her away from us would of been traumatic to us ! Now I know it’s not the same as sneaking across the southern border but for them to be taken from their parents is a crime and it has to stop !

Agree.  

mcgruff10

josevolution said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

Kids being taken form their parents is a human rights violation, what has this country become?

Yeah....I'm all for real immigration reform.  I'm for strengthening the security of the borders, not likely a physical wall.  I'm for some deportation, but this is crazy.  But you do get crazy when you neglect your laws for soooooo long and then start to try and enforce them with no plan.

I hear you I’m also for logical immigration reform heck I was thinking about this issue last night when me my mother & two siblings walked thru customs at JFK airport in 1971 how it would of felt for the agents to take her away from us would of been traumatic to us ! Now I know it’s not the same as sneaking across the southern border but for them to be taken from their parents is a crime and it has to stop !

Jose I'm not trying to sound rude at all but I am genuinely curious, did you come here legally?  And if you did what was the procedure?
And I totally agree, separating kids from their families is insane and needs to stop.  I get why they are doing it but I definitely don't agree with it.  

josevolution

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

Kids being taken form their parents is a human rights violation, what has this country become?

Yeah....I'm all for real immigration reform.  I'm for strengthening the security of the borders, not likely a physical wall.  I'm for some deportation, but this is crazy.  But you do get crazy when you neglect your laws for soooooo long and then start to try and enforce them with no plan.

I hear you I’m also for logical immigration reform heck I was thinking about this issue last night when me my mother & two siblings walked thru customs at JFK airport in 1971 how it would of felt for the agents to take her away from us would of been traumatic to us ! Now I know it’s not the same as sneaking across the southern border but for them to be taken from their parents is a crime and it has to stop !

Jose I'm not trying to sound rude at all but I am genuinely curious, did you come here legally?  And if you did what was the procedure?
And I totally agree, separating kids from their families is insane and needs to stop.  I get why they are doing it but I definitely don't agree with it.  

as legal as it needed to be with vacationing visas from what i remember and yes we did the illegal thing by overstaying here but what did i know i was only 10 and didn't have a choice in the matter but i do know seeing my father for the 1st time in 4 yrs was the greates thing to us kids ...But as illegal immigrants till 83 when we finally received legal status as a family we followed all the rules my parents payed there  taxes and we never got in trouble at all with the law i've never been arrested nor has anyone in my family ....and now we are all American citizens carying American passports ...Not rude at all ....