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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,001
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.

    my2hands said:
    11 over the course of a year, due to very special/difficult circumstances, is much different than zero tolerance with 2000 in 2 months 
    Like my2hands pointed out RoleModels, there's a HUGE difference between what Trump did and what Canada has done a few times.  Are you trying to argue that what Trump did was OK because Canada did the same thing on a much smaller scale?  That's almost like saying iit was OK for Jeffry Dahmer to eat people because some other people chew finger nails.
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    brianlux said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.

    my2hands said:
    11 over the course of a year, due to very special/difficult circumstances, is much different than zero tolerance with 2000 in 2 months 
    Like my2hands pointed out RoleModels, there's a HUGE difference between what Trump did and what Canada has done a few times.  Are you trying to argue that what Trump did was OK because Canada did the same thing on a much smaller scale?  That's almost like saying iit was OK for Jeffry Dahmer to eat people because some other people chew finger nails.
    lol
    I don't know what made me say that, lol.  Now I must leave here and go have breakfast and try to think about something else.  :lol:
    Fingernails for breakfast or other parts?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,655
    LongestRoad said:
    Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.
    I really can't figure out if you're seriously that delusional or in that much denial or if you're just kind of fucking with us.
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  • tbergs
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    Sounds like Melania is on her way down to the border to see first hand what's going on. Do you think the conditions will look a lot better than they have been to ease the criticisms?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    PJ_Soul said:
    LongestRoad said:
    Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.
    I really can't figure out if you're seriously that delusional or in that much denial or if you're just kind of fucking with us.
    It's pretty Orwellian actually. It really is.
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  • PJ_Soul
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    tbergs said:
    Sounds like Melania is on her way down to the border to see first hand what's going on. Do you think the conditions will look a lot better than they have been to ease the criticisms?
    Of course. She's going to get the "North Korea official visitor" treatment down there.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    tbergs said:
    Sounds like Melania is on her way down to the border to see first hand what's going on. Do you think the conditions will look a lot better than they have been to ease the criticisms?
    Well, seeing how her Team Trump Treason husband's administration had 14 different explanations, why wouldn't she want to go down and see for herself? Can't possibly believe her husband and can't possibly believe the fake news, particularly CNN, so away she goes. What's a First Ladt to do? I wonder what that little sojourn cost the American tax payers because the FLOTUS cant get staright answers in the White House? The White House is a circus tent and Team Trump Treason is its ring master. Fucking idiots.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,655

    Border Patrol will stop referring migrant parents who cross into the U.S. illegally with children for prosecution, official says

    This story has been updated to clarify how migrant parents will be processed going forward. An earlier version incorrectly stated the Trump administration was suspending prosecutions for parents of migrant children. The senior Customs and Border Protection official quoted below was describing how the agency’s operations would change to no longer refer parents of migrant children for prosecution. Decisions whether or not to prosecute are the purview of the Department of Justice.

    The U.S. Border Patrol will no longer refer migrant parents who cross into the United States illegally with children to federal courthouses to face criminal charges, a senior U.S. Customs and Border Protection official told The Washington Post on Thursday.

    The about-face comes just one day after President Trump signed an executive order ending his administration’s widely denounced practice of separating parents and children apprehended for illegally crossing the Mexico border. Trump’s order said the government would maintain a “zero tolerance” policy toward those who break the law, but the senior U.S. official, asked to explain how the government would change enforcement practices, said Border Patrol agents were instructed Wednesday evening to stop sending parents with children to federal courthouses for prosecution.

    A Justice Department spokesperson denied changes to the zero tolerance policy and said prosecutions would continue.

    But the decision to refer migrants for criminal charges after crossing illegally rests with the U.S. Border Patrol, and the senior CBP official said the agency will no longer send parents who arrive with children to federal courts.

    “We’re suspending prosecutions of adults who are members of family units until ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) can accelerate resource capability to allow us to maintain custody,” the official said.

    The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to explain how enforcement operations will change to comply with Trump’s order.

    A spokeswoman for the Justice Department, Sarah Isgur Flores, said “zero tolerance” remained in effect.

    “There has been no change to the Department’s zero tolerance policy to prosecute adults who cross our border illegally instead of claiming asylum at any port of entry at the border,” she said.

    Because ICE lacks the detention capacity to increase the number of families it holds in detention, the official acknowledged that many migrant parents and children will likely be released from custody while they await court hearings.

    Top CBP officials did not know what the executive order would ask them to do until its release Wednesday, the official said. The decision to cease prosecutions of parents with children was made by the Department of Homeland Security for logistical purposes because the official said it would not be “feasible” to bring children to federal courtrooms while their parents go before a judge.

    Adults who cross illegally will continue to face misdemeanor charges under the zero tolerance policy implemented six weeks ago, the official said.

    Most adults who enter illegally through the busiest span of the border — the Rio Grande Valley in South Texas — are sentenced to time served. But the official said the criminal prosecution of adults would ensure that lawbreakers face consequences.

    “When a consequence is applied, it makes a difference on recidivism and illegal activity at the border,” the official said.

    In recent weeks the number of migrants arrested along the Mexico border has declined slightly, according to the latest enforcement data. “It’s nothing we could call a trend,” the official said.

    CBP officials will monitor migration patterns at the border to see if the policy change leads to an increase in illegal crossings by family groups, the official said. “We’re going to watch closely and do what we need to do.”



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  • tempo_n_groove
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:


    Does this sum it up?
    Sums up stupid. I guess you don’t recall Obama’s nickname, Deporter in Chief and the outrage by the left directed at him for his enforcement of immigration law? Not surprising.
    Bush and Clinton deported more people than Obama.  I had never heard Obama called that?
    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2014/02/08/barack-obama-deporter-in-chief

    https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/upfront/2017/01/barack-obama-deporter-chief-170113105930345.html

    https://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/national-council-of-la-raza-janet-murguia-barack-obama-deporter-in-chief-immigration-104217
    Ya!  I never heard that before. 
  • LongestRoad
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    tbergs said:
    LongestRoad said:
    Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.
    Happy? Not how I would describe it I guess. It's unfortunate no matter what, but non-separation is better. As for your second question, no. You don't get credit for an issue you created. Forgiveness could be a possibility if there was ever any indication a mistake was made, but we all know that's never going to happen.

    How about you, happy? Do you think he deserves kudos?

    You've spent most of your time the last few posts just poking at the hornet nest for fun. Maybe a serious response this time?
    If you actually read what i've posted in the past you would've seen that I've already talked about my feelings towards the issues that are going on with immigration. this has been going on for years it didn't just start with this administration. It has been going on through all the administrations.  and like I said before they only let the immigrants into this country when they need them and that's a sad situation. I'm glad he made the change in policy. I do agree there has to be a vetting process to keep criminals, terrorists and traffickers from getting in. I hope that they're making sure all that are being detained are safe from any criminals that may be awaiting the process.
    It seems when it's getting close to election time, the party in office suddenly starts to change their immigration policies to get the votes for their party like the past administration for example. That doesn't make them a great president or senator or congressman, it just makes them a politician just like all before them. It's wrong to use these people as your political stepping stone. It's election time and the politicians are coming out in force to investigate the issue and "help" that's why all this is being brought up. They were seperating children from parents in the past administration. Once politicians get elected it'll back to the same. 
    Immigrants should be welcome in this country as long as they don't expect a free ride. Come here to work and spend your money here, not to get in and then collect benefits that aren't available to the people here. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,001
    LongestRoad said:
    tbergs said:
    LongestRoad said:
    Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.
    Happy? Not how I would describe it I guess. It's unfortunate no matter what, but non-separation is better. As for your second question, no. You don't get credit for an issue you created. Forgiveness could be a possibility if there was ever any indication a mistake was made, but we all know that's never going to happen.

    How about you, happy? Do you think he deserves kudos?

    You've spent most of your time the last few posts just poking at the hornet nest for fun. Maybe a serious response this time?
    If you actually read what i've posted in the past you would've seen that I've already talked about my feelings towards the issues that are going on with immigration. this has been going on for years it didn't just start with this administration. It has been going on through all the administrations.  and like I said before they only let the immigrants into this country when they need them and that's a sad situation. I'm glad he made the change in policy. I do agree there has to be a vetting process to keep criminals, terrorists and traffickers from getting in. I hope that they're making sure all that are being detained are safe from any criminals that may be awaiting the process.
    It seems when it's getting close to election time, the party in office suddenly starts to change their immigration policies to get the votes for their party like the past administration for example. That doesn't make them a great president or senator or congressman, it just makes them a politician just like all before them. It's wrong to use these people as your political stepping stone. It's election time and the politicians are coming out in force to investigate the issue and "help" that's why all this is being brought up. They were seperating children from parents in the past administration. Once politicians get elected it'll back to the same. 
    Immigrants should be welcome in this country as long as they don't expect a free ride. Come here to work and spend your money here, not to get in and then collect benefits that aren't available to the people here. 
    Please enumerate the benefits that immigrants get that aren’t available to the people here.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,655
    LongestRoad said:
    tbergs said:
    LongestRoad said:
    Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.
    Happy? Not how I would describe it I guess. It's unfortunate no matter what, but non-separation is better. As for your second question, no. You don't get credit for an issue you created. Forgiveness could be a possibility if there was ever any indication a mistake was made, but we all know that's never going to happen.

    How about you, happy? Do you think he deserves kudos?

    You've spent most of your time the last few posts just poking at the hornet nest for fun. Maybe a serious response this time?
    If you actually read what i've posted in the past you would've seen that I've already talked about my feelings towards the issues that are going on with immigration. this has been going on for years it didn't just start with this administration. It has been going on through all the administrations.  and like I said before they only let the immigrants into this country when they need them and that's a sad situation. I'm glad he made the change in policy. I do agree there has to be a vetting process to keep criminals, terrorists and traffickers from getting in. I hope that they're making sure all that are being detained are safe from any criminals that may be awaiting the process.
    It seems when it's getting close to election time, the party in office suddenly starts to change their immigration policies to get the votes for their party like the past administration for example. That doesn't make them a great president or senator or congressman, it just makes them a politician just like all before them. It's wrong to use these people as your political stepping stone. It's election time and the politicians are coming out in force to investigate the issue and "help" that's why all this is being brought up. They were seperating children from parents in the past administration. Once politicians get elected it'll back to the same. 
    Immigrants should be welcome in this country as long as they don't expect a free ride. Come here to work and spend your money here, not to get in and then collect benefits that aren't available to the people here. 
    Why are you continuing to refuse acknowledgment of how what started happening in April is completely different from what was happening before that? I don't understand it.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Would anyone like to research the corporate and ownership political donations or check to see which Team Trump Treason family or cabinet members are investors? Unsung? More swamp drainage, I’m sure.

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  • PJ_Soul
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    House rejects hard-line immigration bill with deep cuts to legal immigration, only temporary protection for ‘dreamers’

    by Washington Post Staff June 21 at 2:41 PM

    The bill failed in the Republican-led House as moderate GOP lawmakers sided with Democrats to scuttle the measure. Conservatives had pushed for months to get a vote on the legislation written by House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.)

    The defeat came as House Republican leaders abruptly postponed a high-stakes vote on a GOP compromise bill that was backed by leadership. That vote is expected on Friday.

    The votes on immigration legislation came against the backdrop of President Trump bowing to pressure and reversing his policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the border.
    This is a developing story. It will be updated.



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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,655
    I feel so sorry for the decent Americans (so those who didn't vote Trump and don't still support him), having a POTUS who will only stop being as evil as he wants to be (Evil evil too, not the figurative kind) when the public and political backlash undeniably threatens his next campaign run PLUS when his own wife and daughter has to beg him to walk it back.

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  • Ledbetterman10
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    PJ_Soul said:
    I feel so sorry for the decent Americans (so those who didn't vote Trump and don't still support him), having a POTUS who will only stop being as evil as he wants to be (Evil evil too, not the figurative kind) when the public and political backlash undeniably threatens his next campaign run PLUS when his own wife and daughter has to beg him to walk it back.

    I feel more sorry for those that did vote for him and still support him. Talk about "they know not what they do."
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,655
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I feel so sorry for the decent Americans (so those who didn't vote Trump and don't still support him), having a POTUS who will only stop being as evil as he wants to be (Evil evil too, not the figurative kind) when the public and political backlash undeniably threatens his next campaign run PLUS when his own wife and daughter has to beg him to walk it back.

    I feel more sorry for those that did vote for him and still support him. Talk about "they know not what they do."
    Wow, I think you're giving them way too much credit. I think they do what they do because they are simply stupid, racist and/or xenophobic and/or gun-toting and/or bible thumping hypocrites and/or greedy, selfish assholes.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,398
    LongestRoad said:
    tbergs said:
    LongestRoad said:
    Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.
    Happy? Not how I would describe it I guess. It's unfortunate no matter what, but non-separation is better. As for your second question, no. You don't get credit for an issue you created. Forgiveness could be a possibility if there was ever any indication a mistake was made, but we all know that's never going to happen.

    How about you, happy? Do you think he deserves kudos?

    You've spent most of your time the last few posts just poking at the hornet nest for fun. Maybe a serious response this time?
    If you actually read what i've posted in the past you would've seen that I've already talked about my feelings towards the issues that are going on with immigration. this has been going on for years it didn't just start with this administration. It has been going on through all the administrations.  and like I said before they only let the immigrants into this country when they need them and that's a sad situation. I'm glad he made the change in policy. I do agree there has to be a vetting process to keep criminals, terrorists and traffickers from getting in. I hope that they're making sure all that are being detained are safe from any criminals that may be awaiting the process.
    It seems when it's getting close to election time, the party in office suddenly starts to change their immigration policies to get the votes for their party like the past administration for example. That doesn't make them a great president or senator or congressman, it just makes them a politician just like all before them. It's wrong to use these people as your political stepping stone. It's election time and the politicians are coming out in force to investigate the issue and "help" that's why all this is being brought up. They were seperating children from parents in the past administration. Once politicians get elected it'll back to the same. 
    Immigrants should be welcome in this country as long as they don't expect a free ride. Come here to work and spend your money here, not to get in and then collect benefits that aren't available to the people here. 
    Sorry, I wasn't specifically able to recall what your initial opinions were because your most recent posts seemed to ignore the fact that something did change from prior administrations and that this is new so to me it seemed that you were downplaying it and thinking this was just faux outrage by the other side. I think that there is a political side to a lot of situations, but in this case, the party in power was the one politicizing it and twisting the reality of how much control they had over the actions being taken. It wasn't just some random left wing conspiracy that had been ignored for years under Obama or even Bush. I'm not sure why you keep ignoring the information that has been discussed and shared here many times in the past few days. Do you think it's lies or made up?

    Anyway, as I stated yesterday, I think the border issue is being blown way out of proportion and I would not be opposed to way less restrictions and even an open border with any of our land locked neighbors. Mind you, I live about as far from Mexico as you can get so I may be full of hot air on this. Honestly, people are going to continue to cross our borders illegally, both criminals and decent people looking for a better life. I look at it this way though, are the criminals of this country, who can wander across any state border they want and live among you, any worse than those that cross the imaginary line we drew on a map and say no you aren't allowed? If the businesses would quit employing those who have not taken the legal steps necessary to become citizens than we should be cracking down there first. We worry so much about "bad" people crossing that we turn away thousands of good people and spend millions (maybe billions?) doing so. Break the cycle.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • LongestRoad
    LongestRoad Posts: 477
    PJ_Soul said:
    LongestRoad said:
    tbergs said:
    LongestRoad said:
    Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.
    Happy? Not how I would describe it I guess. It's unfortunate no matter what, but non-separation is better. As for your second question, no. You don't get credit for an issue you created. Forgiveness could be a possibility if there was ever any indication a mistake was made, but we all know that's never going to happen.

    How about you, happy? Do you think he deserves kudos?

    You've spent most of your time the last few posts just poking at the hornet nest for fun. Maybe a serious response this time?
    If you actually read what i've posted in the past you would've seen that I've already talked about my feelings towards the issues that are going on with immigration. this has been going on for years it didn't just start with this administration. It has been going on through all the administrations.  and like I said before they only let the immigrants into this country when they need them and that's a sad situation. I'm glad he made the change in policy. I do agree there has to be a vetting process to keep criminals, terrorists and traffickers from getting in. I hope that they're making sure all that are being detained are safe from any criminals that may be awaiting the process.
    It seems when it's getting close to election time, the party in office suddenly starts to change their immigration policies to get the votes for their party like the past administration for example. That doesn't make them a great president or senator or congressman, it just makes them a politician just like all before them. It's wrong to use these people as your political stepping stone. It's election time and the politicians are coming out in force to investigate the issue and "help" that's why all this is being brought up. They were seperating children from parents in the past administration. Once politicians get elected it'll back to the same. 
    Immigrants should be welcome in this country as long as they don't expect a free ride. Come here to work and spend your money here, not to get in and then collect benefits that aren't available to the people here. 
    Why are you continuing to refuse acknowledgment of how what started happening in April is completely different from what was happening before that? I don't understand it.
    Why are you continuing to not acknowledge that it was happening in the past.  Children have been seperated from their parents in the past, lots of people have been deported. I've seen links posted right here that talk about it. I'm on the side of right not on the rights side or the lefts side. I try to process it all not like the far right and far left choose to do. I think the "news" stations shouldn't be called news anymore. They should be Fox Opinion and CNN Opinion. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    LongestRoad said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    LongestRoad said:
    tbergs said:
    LongestRoad said:
    Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.
    Happy? Not how I would describe it I guess. It's unfortunate no matter what, but non-separation is better. As for your second question, no. You don't get credit for an issue you created. Forgiveness could be a possibility if there was ever any indication a mistake was made, but we all know that's never going to happen.

    How about you, happy? Do you think he deserves kudos?

    You've spent most of your time the last few posts just poking at the hornet nest for fun. Maybe a serious response this time?
    If you actually read what i've posted in the past you would've seen that I've already talked about my feelings towards the issues that are going on with immigration. this has been going on for years it didn't just start with this administration. It has been going on through all the administrations.  and like I said before they only let the immigrants into this country when they need them and that's a sad situation. I'm glad he made the change in policy. I do agree there has to be a vetting process to keep criminals, terrorists and traffickers from getting in. I hope that they're making sure all that are being detained are safe from any criminals that may be awaiting the process.
    It seems when it's getting close to election time, the party in office suddenly starts to change their immigration policies to get the votes for their party like the past administration for example. That doesn't make them a great president or senator or congressman, it just makes them a politician just like all before them. It's wrong to use these people as your political stepping stone. It's election time and the politicians are coming out in force to investigate the issue and "help" that's why all this is being brought up. They were seperating children from parents in the past administration. Once politicians get elected it'll back to the same. 
    Immigrants should be welcome in this country as long as they don't expect a free ride. Come here to work and spend your money here, not to get in and then collect benefits that aren't available to the people here. 
    Why are you continuing to refuse acknowledgment of how what started happening in April is completely different from what was happening before that? I don't understand it.
    Why are you continuing to not acknowledge that it was happening in the past.  Children have been seperated from their parents in the past, lots of people have been deported. I've seen links posted right here that talk about it. I'm on the side of right not on the rights side or the lefts side. I try to process it all not like the far right and far left choose to do. I think the "news" stations shouldn't be called news anymore. They should be Fox Opinion and CNN Opinion. 
    -past admins separated children from their parents if the children were deemed at risk (same thing Canada has done a few times)
    -this admin is separating children from their parents in all cases, and clearly using it as a bargaining chip for the Wall. 

    you think those are the same?
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    LongestRoad said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    LongestRoad said:
    tbergs said:
    LongestRoad said:
    Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.
    Happy? Not how I would describe it I guess. It's unfortunate no matter what, but non-separation is better. As for your second question, no. You don't get credit for an issue you created. Forgiveness could be a possibility if there was ever any indication a mistake was made, but we all know that's never going to happen.

    How about you, happy? Do you think he deserves kudos?

    You've spent most of your time the last few posts just poking at the hornet nest for fun. Maybe a serious response this time?
    If you actually read what i've posted in the past you would've seen that I've already talked about my feelings towards the issues that are going on with immigration. this has been going on for years it didn't just start with this administration. It has been going on through all the administrations.  and like I said before they only let the immigrants into this country when they need them and that's a sad situation. I'm glad he made the change in policy. I do agree there has to be a vetting process to keep criminals, terrorists and traffickers from getting in. I hope that they're making sure all that are being detained are safe from any criminals that may be awaiting the process.
    It seems when it's getting close to election time, the party in office suddenly starts to change their immigration policies to get the votes for their party like the past administration for example. That doesn't make them a great president or senator or congressman, it just makes them a politician just like all before them. It's wrong to use these people as your political stepping stone. It's election time and the politicians are coming out in force to investigate the issue and "help" that's why all this is being brought up. They were seperating children from parents in the past administration. Once politicians get elected it'll back to the same. 
    Immigrants should be welcome in this country as long as they don't expect a free ride. Come here to work and spend your money here, not to get in and then collect benefits that aren't available to the people here. 
    Why are you continuing to refuse acknowledgment of how what started happening in April is completely different from what was happening before that? I don't understand it.
    Why are you continuing to not acknowledge that it was happening in the past.  Children have been seperated from their parents in the past, lots of people have been deported. I've seen links posted right here that talk about it. I'm on the side of right not on the rights side or the lefts side. I try to process it all not like the far right and far left choose to do. I think the "news" stations shouldn't be called news anymore. They should be Fox Opinion and CNN Opinion. 
    Interesting. Very very interesting.
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