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I agree with every part of this.cblock4life said:
I know you don’t. I was just commenting to you for the same reason you commented to tempo, lol. We could go round and round for days, weeks, months but the bottom line is every president who didn’t fix this issue is to blame. They've been ignoring it for decades. I believe in legal immigration. How we get there and stay there is anyones guess.mace1229 said:
I wasn’t blaming the child. And I understand the home life many of them go home to. I was just commenting on a similar situation tempo described. Parents who wouldn’t provide for their kids somehow still affording $800 phone for every kid and the newest shoes every month. I find it ironic to live that lifestyle and claim to be unable to feed the family. But I don’t blame the kids at all.cblock4life said:
Ok let me tell you what happens when they go home. They don’t eat. It’s happening right now to the players my husband is coaching. There’s nothing in the house. Yes they have cell phones and nice shoes but no food. Pretty messed up way to live/grow up don’t you think?mace1229 said:
When I taught in LA when the iPhone was new. Most of the teachers had flip phones and most of the kids got the newest iPhone.tempo_n_groove said:So, how can you make people hate immigrants even more? You tell the public that you have to make budget cuts to pay for the influx of migrants coming to your city/state.
It's good that Mayor Adams announced this as to hold the US govt accountable but, it's doing nothing to help the plight of the people whom aren't happy they are here in the first place.
Amazingly enough the migrants on the scooters all have cell phones. I find this interesting too.
Our school was at 98% for reduced/free lunch. Can’t afford food, but got the newest phone and $200 shoes.Blame the parents, not the child.0 -
OK my bolded statement isn't off base. He literally said in an interview that NYC will be making budget cuts because the US govt has not pitched in and that the city will have to pay for the migrants. Said it on TV. In him doing so, saying this, it has done nothing to help these people whom got shipped here with the US govt. I'm trying to figure out what's off base still?Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, your own bolded statement is off-base. Democrat Mayor Adams and his administration proposed increasing minimum wage for those food delivery workers you're so curious about. Who's fighting it? The tech industry. But the mayor paid for and received a comprehensive study of how to make their lives better, instead of setting them up for failure as you stated. But I know, bothsidesism, nobody's doing nothing. Its all the same.tempo_n_groove said:
I'm not mad "yet" that they are here. I'm also not mad about the scooters and phones. I made a statement that it is amazing that they acquired these things already. If you've read anything I've written I'm upset that we are setting them up for failure.cblock4life said:
And where exactly can they find a pay phone? Nowadays cellphones are necessities, not luxuries. You’re pissed at the immigrants who were sent there by POS republicans. god, do we really believe people want to walk and walk and walk, etc. with children and the little belongings they have if not for freedom from fear? What reason other than freedom would you walk for? Food and shelter for your family? Yes we all would. Put yourself in their shoes, their mindset. We are clueless.tempo_n_groove said:So, how can you make people hate immigrants even more? You tell the public that you have to make budget cuts to pay for the influx of migrants coming to your city/state.
It's good that Mayor Adams announced this as to hold the US govt accountable but, it's doing nothing to help the plight of the people whom aren't happy they are here in the first place.
Amazingly enough the migrants on the scooters all have cell phones. I find this interesting too.How many of us spent thousands to see Pearl Jam the last couple weeks. Please don’t be mad about a scooter and phone.
I wish NPR would do a story on them next like the Ecuadorian women that sell candy in the subways.
Basically I am reporting on what is happening here and what I see with my own two eyes.
This is mad? It's good that Mayor Adams announced this as to hold the US govt accountable but, it's doing nothing to help the plight of the people whom aren't happy they are here in the first place.
I'll also fathom that there isn't a secondary market in NYC for e-bikes or cell phones and that all of those delivery workers are "fresh off the boat" and purchased brandy new e-bikes and cell phones with taxpayer dollars. They couldn't possibly be working a second job to supplement their other work, say in construction or restaurants, right? Nah, lazy fucks want to work two, not just one, of the most dangerous jobs in NYC for the hell of it, right?
Here's Mayor Adams' report:
A Minimum Pay Rate for App-Based Restaurant Delivery Workers in NYC | November 2022
Here's an article that summarizes it:
NYC App-Based Restaurant Delivery Workers Receive a Minimum Pay Rate (nycfoodpolicy.org)
And another full report (scroll down the article to see the report):
Report: New York's Essential Delivery Workers are Underpaid, Underappreciated, Victimized - Streetsblog New York City
So, the second paragraph just gets ridiculous. I love how you call be lazy fucks. No one uses that language but you, lol.
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I assume nothing, if anything you assume what I think because of the questions you ask.Halifax2TheMax said:
Based on your posts, I have no idea what the fuck you think, particularly since your thoughts are based upon assumptions, often times incorrect.tempo_n_groove said:
We can go back and forth all day on this. I know the repubs do nothing, that is not without question. The dems giving a dtailed proposal now when they don't have power anymore is playing politics. "look at what we are trying to do but we can't get it voted in" Has been happening for years and you still buy into they are trying to do something. When they had the power they should have rammed as much as they could when they could. That's the only way Obamacare got passed.Halifax2TheMax said:
But it’s not. That’s where you’re wrong. The Brandon crime family has concrete proposals, policies and funding requests for same. Your bothsidesism is what the repubs want you to believe and it appears they’ve been successful.tempo_n_groove said:
Whataboutisms all over. I don't see anyone doing dick about it at all. I do see NY scrambling to make room for people. Why? It's written into law that we do so.Halifax2TheMax said:
The bolded part of your statement is a mis-characterization. Again, I’ll ask, where and what is the repub plan for addressing the immigration “crisis?” The repubs control the house and thus the purse strings. The Brandon Crime Family submitted a budget with specific funding requests. Where is the repub counter proposal or solution? Or even a debate for the American people to see where the parties stand? What’s Kevy or Maggie Three Names doing about it? Oh yea, authorizing an impeachment inquiry and threatening to shut down the gubmint at the end of the month.tempo_n_groove said:
Again I see you are taking your own liberties at what people say...cblock4life said:
“A team of CNN journalists made the nearly 70-mile journey by foot in February, interviewing migrants, guides, locals and officials about why so many are taking the risk, braving unforgiving terrain, extortion and violence.”nicknyr15 said:There’s no immigration problem. NYC is doing just fine. Nothing to see here. 15% budget to agencies across the board? Ppfffffttt. No biggie.Maybe one day Mayor Adams will try something other than begging the federal government for help. It’s getting old. Also pretty funny how quickly hypocrites change their tune about this issue when a migrant shelter is planned right near them. You have to hear some of these people. Hilarious.These migrants are coming here with a false sense of hope. I feel terrible for them because no amount of scooters or phones are gonna help them. This city is ruthless and unaffordable to people who have waaaay more at their fingertips than these poor people. I don’t know how this is helping anyone involved. There has to be a better way
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/americas/darien-gap-migrants-colombia-panama-whole-story-cmd-intl/index.htmlI worked with immigration parents and children for 11 years. They want to be here. They want to work, feed their families, have homes, access to medical care. Don’t think for one second they didn’t walk across countries because they don’t want to be here. It’s a piss poor excuse to just wash away the truth.We don’t really own the land, the country, the air. The lack of empathy and entitlement around here shouldn’t surprise me but it does.Who sent those immigrants to NY? Blame them.
Yes they want to be here but NOT HERE. They didn't plan on coming to NY. Nobody thinks they walked here or paid a coyote for no reason... They wanted to get over the border. Having come here like Nick said is not doing them any favors, I have said this too.
If they want to live 10 people to a room and that's ok with them, fine. I've seen migrants do that for years. It used to be to send money back home but now it's the drug and war torn countries that want to be here.
We have extended family in Peru. One in a wheelchair was robbed of his ipad. Who does that? Yeah, i'd want out too. We as a country need to handle the whole influx situation better. Just letting people in and figuring it out later is not the way to go about it.
The dems when they had control did nothing. We know the repubs will do nothing. It's one big circle...
Did you ever think to go ask those food delivery folks how long they’ve been in NYC and how is it they’re able to afford a cell phone and a scooter or e-bike, seeing how you’re so interested?
Are you pissed at Abbott & Costello and Deathsantis for “doing nothing” or bussing them to NYC? If not, why not?
I'll do so next time. I'll ask a few of them and do interviews as I am quite curious.
Who's not pissed?!? When they sent people to Marthas vineyard I thought that was absurd.
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This is why schools have breakfast and lunches for free in the city. This may be their only meals. Schools don't like to close down either in knowing this.cblock4life said:
Ok let me tell you what happens when they go home. They don’t eat. It’s happening right now to the players my husband is coaching. There’s nothing in the house. Yes they have cell phones and nice shoes but no food. Pretty messed up way to live/grow up don’t you think?mace1229 said:
When I taught in LA when the iPhone was new. Most of the teachers had flip phones and most of the kids got the newest iPhone.tempo_n_groove said:So, how can you make people hate immigrants even more? You tell the public that you have to make budget cuts to pay for the influx of migrants coming to your city/state.
It's good that Mayor Adams announced this as to hold the US govt accountable but, it's doing nothing to help the plight of the people whom aren't happy they are here in the first place.
Amazingly enough the migrants on the scooters all have cell phones. I find this interesting too.
Our school was at 98% for reduced/free lunch. Can’t afford food, but got the newest phone and $200 shoes.Blame the parents, not the child.
They have extended it into summer too.
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It’s a great program. Just look what some districts did during the height of virtual learning, still delivering lunch and breakfast. The most important part of a child’s day is food (well love too). Without it they’re just taking up space in school. Unfortunately I’m an expert in this unbelievable part of America.tempo_n_groove said:
This is why schools have breakfast and lunches for free in the city. This may be their only meals. Schools don't like to close down either in knowing this.cblock4life said:
Ok let me tell you what happens when they go home. They don’t eat. It’s happening right now to the players my husband is coaching. There’s nothing in the house. Yes they have cell phones and nice shoes but no food. Pretty messed up way to live/grow up don’t you think?mace1229 said:
When I taught in LA when the iPhone was new. Most of the teachers had flip phones and most of the kids got the newest iPhone.tempo_n_groove said:So, how can you make people hate immigrants even more? You tell the public that you have to make budget cuts to pay for the influx of migrants coming to your city/state.
It's good that Mayor Adams announced this as to hold the US govt accountable but, it's doing nothing to help the plight of the people whom aren't happy they are here in the first place.
Amazingly enough the migrants on the scooters all have cell phones. I find this interesting too.
Our school was at 98% for reduced/free lunch. Can’t afford food, but got the newest phone and $200 shoes.Blame the parents, not the child.
They have extended it into summer too.
It's a good program.
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You “assumed” that all workers on a construction site are semi-skilled or skilled, then made it about union and non-union. You also “assume” that the immigrants you see in NYC don’t want to be there, that “nobody” is helping them out and that they’re being set up to fail. I guess you’ve interviewed these folks seeing how you walk around construction sites and drive around NYC everyday and don’t assume anything, it’s all “fact?” Do I have that right?tempo_n_groove said:
I assume nothing, if anything you assume what I think because of the questions you ask.Halifax2TheMax said:
Based on your posts, I have no idea what the fuck you think, particularly since your thoughts are based upon assumptions, often times incorrect.tempo_n_groove said:
We can go back and forth all day on this. I know the repubs do nothing, that is not without question. The dems giving a dtailed proposal now when they don't have power anymore is playing politics. "look at what we are trying to do but we can't get it voted in" Has been happening for years and you still buy into they are trying to do something. When they had the power they should have rammed as much as they could when they could. That's the only way Obamacare got passed.Halifax2TheMax said:
But it’s not. That’s where you’re wrong. The Brandon crime family has concrete proposals, policies and funding requests for same. Your bothsidesism is what the repubs want you to believe and it appears they’ve been successful.tempo_n_groove said:
Whataboutisms all over. I don't see anyone doing dick about it at all. I do see NY scrambling to make room for people. Why? It's written into law that we do so.Halifax2TheMax said:
The bolded part of your statement is a mis-characterization. Again, I’ll ask, where and what is the repub plan for addressing the immigration “crisis?” The repubs control the house and thus the purse strings. The Brandon Crime Family submitted a budget with specific funding requests. Where is the repub counter proposal or solution? Or even a debate for the American people to see where the parties stand? What’s Kevy or Maggie Three Names doing about it? Oh yea, authorizing an impeachment inquiry and threatening to shut down the gubmint at the end of the month.tempo_n_groove said:
Again I see you are taking your own liberties at what people say...cblock4life said:
“A team of CNN journalists made the nearly 70-mile journey by foot in February, interviewing migrants, guides, locals and officials about why so many are taking the risk, braving unforgiving terrain, extortion and violence.”nicknyr15 said:There’s no immigration problem. NYC is doing just fine. Nothing to see here. 15% budget to agencies across the board? Ppfffffttt. No biggie.Maybe one day Mayor Adams will try something other than begging the federal government for help. It’s getting old. Also pretty funny how quickly hypocrites change their tune about this issue when a migrant shelter is planned right near them. You have to hear some of these people. Hilarious.These migrants are coming here with a false sense of hope. I feel terrible for them because no amount of scooters or phones are gonna help them. This city is ruthless and unaffordable to people who have waaaay more at their fingertips than these poor people. I don’t know how this is helping anyone involved. There has to be a better way
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/americas/darien-gap-migrants-colombia-panama-whole-story-cmd-intl/index.htmlI worked with immigration parents and children for 11 years. They want to be here. They want to work, feed their families, have homes, access to medical care. Don’t think for one second they didn’t walk across countries because they don’t want to be here. It’s a piss poor excuse to just wash away the truth.We don’t really own the land, the country, the air. The lack of empathy and entitlement around here shouldn’t surprise me but it does.Who sent those immigrants to NY? Blame them.
Yes they want to be here but NOT HERE. They didn't plan on coming to NY. Nobody thinks they walked here or paid a coyote for no reason... They wanted to get over the border. Having come here like Nick said is not doing them any favors, I have said this too.
If they want to live 10 people to a room and that's ok with them, fine. I've seen migrants do that for years. It used to be to send money back home but now it's the drug and war torn countries that want to be here.
We have extended family in Peru. One in a wheelchair was robbed of his ipad. Who does that? Yeah, i'd want out too. We as a country need to handle the whole influx situation better. Just letting people in and figuring it out later is not the way to go about it.
The dems when they had control did nothing. We know the repubs will do nothing. It's one big circle...
Did you ever think to go ask those food delivery folks how long they’ve been in NYC and how is it they’re able to afford a cell phone and a scooter or e-bike, seeing how you’re so interested?
Are you pissed at Abbott & Costello and Deathsantis for “doing nothing” or bussing them to NYC? If not, why not?
I'll do so next time. I'll ask a few of them and do interviews as I am quite curious.
Who's not pissed?!? When they sent people to Marthas vineyard I thought that was absurd.
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There is a lot of skilled non union labor out there...some maybe even better than the union folks. I've never correlated skilled labor/unskilled labor as union non union before. Or are you trying to make a different point?Halifax2TheMax said:
You “assumed” that all workers on a construction site are semi-skilled or skilled, then made it about union and non-union. You also “assume” that the immigrants you see in NYC don’t want to be there, that “nobody” is helping them out and that they’re being set up to fail. I guess you’ve interviewed these folks seeing how you walk around construction sites and drive around NYC everyday and don’t assume anything, it’s all “fact?” Do I have that right?tempo_n_groove said:
I assume nothing, if anything you assume what I think because of the questions you ask.Halifax2TheMax said:
Based on your posts, I have no idea what the fuck you think, particularly since your thoughts are based upon assumptions, often times incorrect.tempo_n_groove said:
We can go back and forth all day on this. I know the repubs do nothing, that is not without question. The dems giving a dtailed proposal now when they don't have power anymore is playing politics. "look at what we are trying to do but we can't get it voted in" Has been happening for years and you still buy into they are trying to do something. When they had the power they should have rammed as much as they could when they could. That's the only way Obamacare got passed.Halifax2TheMax said:
But it’s not. That’s where you’re wrong. The Brandon crime family has concrete proposals, policies and funding requests for same. Your bothsidesism is what the repubs want you to believe and it appears they’ve been successful.tempo_n_groove said:
Whataboutisms all over. I don't see anyone doing dick about it at all. I do see NY scrambling to make room for people. Why? It's written into law that we do so.Halifax2TheMax said:
The bolded part of your statement is a mis-characterization. Again, I’ll ask, where and what is the repub plan for addressing the immigration “crisis?” The repubs control the house and thus the purse strings. The Brandon Crime Family submitted a budget with specific funding requests. Where is the repub counter proposal or solution? Or even a debate for the American people to see where the parties stand? What’s Kevy or Maggie Three Names doing about it? Oh yea, authorizing an impeachment inquiry and threatening to shut down the gubmint at the end of the month.tempo_n_groove said:
Again I see you are taking your own liberties at what people say...cblock4life said:
“A team of CNN journalists made the nearly 70-mile journey by foot in February, interviewing migrants, guides, locals and officials about why so many are taking the risk, braving unforgiving terrain, extortion and violence.”nicknyr15 said:There’s no immigration problem. NYC is doing just fine. Nothing to see here. 15% budget to agencies across the board? Ppfffffttt. No biggie.Maybe one day Mayor Adams will try something other than begging the federal government for help. It’s getting old. Also pretty funny how quickly hypocrites change their tune about this issue when a migrant shelter is planned right near them. You have to hear some of these people. Hilarious.These migrants are coming here with a false sense of hope. I feel terrible for them because no amount of scooters or phones are gonna help them. This city is ruthless and unaffordable to people who have waaaay more at their fingertips than these poor people. I don’t know how this is helping anyone involved. There has to be a better way
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/americas/darien-gap-migrants-colombia-panama-whole-story-cmd-intl/index.htmlI worked with immigration parents and children for 11 years. They want to be here. They want to work, feed their families, have homes, access to medical care. Don’t think for one second they didn’t walk across countries because they don’t want to be here. It’s a piss poor excuse to just wash away the truth.We don’t really own the land, the country, the air. The lack of empathy and entitlement around here shouldn’t surprise me but it does.Who sent those immigrants to NY? Blame them.
Yes they want to be here but NOT HERE. They didn't plan on coming to NY. Nobody thinks they walked here or paid a coyote for no reason... They wanted to get over the border. Having come here like Nick said is not doing them any favors, I have said this too.
If they want to live 10 people to a room and that's ok with them, fine. I've seen migrants do that for years. It used to be to send money back home but now it's the drug and war torn countries that want to be here.
We have extended family in Peru. One in a wheelchair was robbed of his ipad. Who does that? Yeah, i'd want out too. We as a country need to handle the whole influx situation better. Just letting people in and figuring it out later is not the way to go about it.
The dems when they had control did nothing. We know the repubs will do nothing. It's one big circle...
Did you ever think to go ask those food delivery folks how long they’ve been in NYC and how is it they’re able to afford a cell phone and a scooter or e-bike, seeing how you’re so interested?
Are you pissed at Abbott & Costello and Deathsantis for “doing nothing” or bussing them to NYC? If not, why not?
I'll do so next time. I'll ask a few of them and do interviews as I am quite curious.
Who's not pissed?!? When they sent people to Marthas vineyard I thought that was absurd.
I don't know why you ask obvious questions to answers you already know and how I get sucked up into answering them...Scio me nihil scire
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Tempo assumed all labor on construction sites in nyc is semi or skilled. I disagreed so he said it was either non union or union. Contractors in either category don’t pay semi or skilled prevailing wages for the labor that hauls materials or demo debris. And, you’d be hard pressed to find native born folks to do that work. It’s typically unskilled and entry level work to prove yourself and show you know your way around a job site and are worthy of a contractor taking you in an apprenticeship type program.static111 said:
There is a lot of skilled non union labor out there...some maybe even better than the union folks. I've never correlated skilled labor/unskilled labor as union non union before. Or are you trying to make a different point?Halifax2TheMax said:
You “assumed” that all workers on a construction site are semi-skilled or skilled, then made it about union and non-union. You also “assume” that the immigrants you see in NYC don’t want to be there, that “nobody” is helping them out and that they’re being set up to fail. I guess you’ve interviewed these folks seeing how you walk around construction sites and drive around NYC everyday and don’t assume anything, it’s all “fact?” Do I have that right?tempo_n_groove said:
I assume nothing, if anything you assume what I think because of the questions you ask.Halifax2TheMax said:
Based on your posts, I have no idea what the fuck you think, particularly since your thoughts are based upon assumptions, often times incorrect.tempo_n_groove said:
We can go back and forth all day on this. I know the repubs do nothing, that is not without question. The dems giving a dtailed proposal now when they don't have power anymore is playing politics. "look at what we are trying to do but we can't get it voted in" Has been happening for years and you still buy into they are trying to do something. When they had the power they should have rammed as much as they could when they could. That's the only way Obamacare got passed.Halifax2TheMax said:
But it’s not. That’s where you’re wrong. The Brandon crime family has concrete proposals, policies and funding requests for same. Your bothsidesism is what the repubs want you to believe and it appears they’ve been successful.tempo_n_groove said:
Whataboutisms all over. I don't see anyone doing dick about it at all. I do see NY scrambling to make room for people. Why? It's written into law that we do so.Halifax2TheMax said:
The bolded part of your statement is a mis-characterization. Again, I’ll ask, where and what is the repub plan for addressing the immigration “crisis?” The repubs control the house and thus the purse strings. The Brandon Crime Family submitted a budget with specific funding requests. Where is the repub counter proposal or solution? Or even a debate for the American people to see where the parties stand? What’s Kevy or Maggie Three Names doing about it? Oh yea, authorizing an impeachment inquiry and threatening to shut down the gubmint at the end of the month.tempo_n_groove said:
Again I see you are taking your own liberties at what people say...cblock4life said:
“A team of CNN journalists made the nearly 70-mile journey by foot in February, interviewing migrants, guides, locals and officials about why so many are taking the risk, braving unforgiving terrain, extortion and violence.”nicknyr15 said:There’s no immigration problem. NYC is doing just fine. Nothing to see here. 15% budget to agencies across the board? Ppfffffttt. No biggie.Maybe one day Mayor Adams will try something other than begging the federal government for help. It’s getting old. Also pretty funny how quickly hypocrites change their tune about this issue when a migrant shelter is planned right near them. You have to hear some of these people. Hilarious.These migrants are coming here with a false sense of hope. I feel terrible for them because no amount of scooters or phones are gonna help them. This city is ruthless and unaffordable to people who have waaaay more at their fingertips than these poor people. I don’t know how this is helping anyone involved. There has to be a better way
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/americas/darien-gap-migrants-colombia-panama-whole-story-cmd-intl/index.htmlI worked with immigration parents and children for 11 years. They want to be here. They want to work, feed their families, have homes, access to medical care. Don’t think for one second they didn’t walk across countries because they don’t want to be here. It’s a piss poor excuse to just wash away the truth.We don’t really own the land, the country, the air. The lack of empathy and entitlement around here shouldn’t surprise me but it does.Who sent those immigrants to NY? Blame them.
Yes they want to be here but NOT HERE. They didn't plan on coming to NY. Nobody thinks they walked here or paid a coyote for no reason... They wanted to get over the border. Having come here like Nick said is not doing them any favors, I have said this too.
If they want to live 10 people to a room and that's ok with them, fine. I've seen migrants do that for years. It used to be to send money back home but now it's the drug and war torn countries that want to be here.
We have extended family in Peru. One in a wheelchair was robbed of his ipad. Who does that? Yeah, i'd want out too. We as a country need to handle the whole influx situation better. Just letting people in and figuring it out later is not the way to go about it.
The dems when they had control did nothing. We know the repubs will do nothing. It's one big circle...
Did you ever think to go ask those food delivery folks how long they’ve been in NYC and how is it they’re able to afford a cell phone and a scooter or e-bike, seeing how you’re so interested?
Are you pissed at Abbott & Costello and Deathsantis for “doing nothing” or bussing them to NYC? If not, why not?
I'll do so next time. I'll ask a few of them and do interviews as I am quite curious.
Who's not pissed?!? When they sent people to Marthas vineyard I thought that was absurd.
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https://apnews.com/article/immigration-daca-dreamers-51ba8c941993ffa26e1251aef84b0284 Federal judge again declares that DACA is illegal with issue likely to be decided by Supreme CourtFederal judge again declares that DACA is illegal with issue likely to be decided by Supreme CourtBy JUAN A. LOZANOYesterday
HOUSTON (AP) — While a federal judge on Wednesday declared illegal a revised version of a federal policy that prevents the deportation of hundreds of thousands of immigrants brought to the U.S. as children, he declined to order an immediate end to the program and the protections it offers to recipients.
U.S. District Judge Andrew Hanen agreed with Texas and eight other states suing to stop the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program. The judge’s ruling was ultimately expected to be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, sending the program’s fate before the high court for a third time.
“While sympathetic to the predicament of DACA recipients and their families, this Court has expressed its concerns about the legality of the program for some time,” Hanen wrote in his 40-page ruling. “The solution for these deficiencies lies with the legislature, not the executive or judicial branches. Congress, for any number of reasons, has decided not to pass DACA-like legislation ... The Executive Branch cannot usurp the power bestowed on Congress by the Constitution — even to fill a void.”
Hanen’s order extended the current injunction that had been in place against DACA, which barred the government from approving any new applications, but left the program intact for existing recipients during the ongoing legal review.
Hanen also declined a request by the states to order the program's end within two years. Hanen said his order does not require the federal government to take any actions against DACA recipients, who are known as “Dreamers.”
Thomas Saenz, president and general counsel of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, or MALDEF, which is representing DACA recipients in the lawsuit, said it will ultimately be up to higher courts, including the Supreme Court, to rule on DACA's legality and whether Texas proved it had been harmed by the program.
“Judge Hanen has consistently erred in resolving both of these issues, and today’s ruling is more of the same flawed analysis. We look forward to continuing to defend the lawful and much-needed DACA program on review in higher courts,” Saenz said.
The Biden administration criticized the judge's ruling.
"We are deeply disappointed in today’s DACA ruling from the District Court in Southern Texas," press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said in a statement Wednesday night. “... As we have long maintained, we disagree with the District Court’s conclusion that DACA is unlawful, and will continue to defend this critical policy from legal challenges. While we do so, consistent with the court’s order, DHS will continue to process renewals for current DACA recipients and DHS (the Department of Homeland Security) may continue to accept DACA applications.”
The Texas Attorney General's Office, which represented the states in the lawsuit, and the U.S. Department of Justice, which represented the federal government, didn't immediately return emails or calls seeking comment.
The states have argued the Obama administration didn’t have the authority to first create the program in 2012 because it circumvented Congress.
In 2021, Hanen had declared the program illegal, ruling it had not been subject to public notice and comment periods required under the federal Administrative Procedures Act.
The Biden administration tried to satisfy Hanen’s concerns with a new version of DACA that took effect in October 2022 and was subject to public comments as part of a formal rule-making process.
But Hanen, who was appointed by then-President George W. Bush in 2002, ruled the updated version of DACA was still illegal as the Biden administration's new version was essentially the same as the old version, started under the Obama administration. Hanen had previously said DACA was unconstitutional.
Hanen also had previously ruled the states had standing to file their lawsuit because they had been harmed by the program.
The states have claimed they incur hundreds of millions of dollars in health care, education and other costs when immigrants are allowed to remain in the country illegally. The states that sued are Texas, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Nebraska, South Carolina, West Virginia, Kansas and Mississippi.
Those defending the program — the federal government, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund and the state of New Jersey — had argued the states failed to present evidence that any of the costs they allege they have incurred have been tied to DACA recipients. They also argued Congress has given the Department of Homeland Security the legal authority to set immigration enforcement policies.
There were 578,680 people enrolled in DACA at the end of March, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.
The program has faced a roller coaster of court challenges over the years.
In 2016, the Supreme Court deadlocked 4-4 over an expanded DACA and a version of the program for parents of DACA recipients. In 2020, the high court ruled 5-4 that the Trump administration improperly ended DACA, allowing it to stay in place.
In 2022, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans upheld Hanen’s earlier ruling declaring DACA illegal, but sent the case back to him to review changes made to the program by the Biden administration.
President Joe Biden and advocacy groups have called on Congress to pass permanent protections for “ dreamers.” Congress has failed multiple times to pass proposals called the DREAM Act to protect DACA recipients.
“We continue to urge Congress and President Biden to create permanent solutions for all immigrants to ensure none are left in the perilous road DACA has been on for the past decade,” Veronica Garcia, an attorney with the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, an advocacy organization, said in a statement.
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Not what I said at all...Halifax2TheMax said:
Tempo assumed all labor on construction sites in nyc is semi or skilled. I disagreed so he said it was either non union or union. Contractors in either category don’t pay semi or skilled prevailing wages for the labor that hauls materials or demo debris. And, you’d be hard pressed to find native born folks to do that work. It’s typically unskilled and entry level work to prove yourself and show you know your way around a job site and are worthy of a contractor taking you in an apprenticeship type program.static111 said:
There is a lot of skilled non union labor out there...some maybe even better than the union folks. I've never correlated skilled labor/unskilled labor as union non union before. Or are you trying to make a different point?Halifax2TheMax said:
You “assumed” that all workers on a construction site are semi-skilled or skilled, then made it about union and non-union. You also “assume” that the immigrants you see in NYC don’t want to be there, that “nobody” is helping them out and that they’re being set up to fail. I guess you’ve interviewed these folks seeing how you walk around construction sites and drive around NYC everyday and don’t assume anything, it’s all “fact?” Do I have that right?tempo_n_groove said:
I assume nothing, if anything you assume what I think because of the questions you ask.Halifax2TheMax said:
Based on your posts, I have no idea what the fuck you think, particularly since your thoughts are based upon assumptions, often times incorrect.tempo_n_groove said:
We can go back and forth all day on this. I know the repubs do nothing, that is not without question. The dems giving a dtailed proposal now when they don't have power anymore is playing politics. "look at what we are trying to do but we can't get it voted in" Has been happening for years and you still buy into they are trying to do something. When they had the power they should have rammed as much as they could when they could. That's the only way Obamacare got passed.Halifax2TheMax said:
But it’s not. That’s where you’re wrong. The Brandon crime family has concrete proposals, policies and funding requests for same. Your bothsidesism is what the repubs want you to believe and it appears they’ve been successful.tempo_n_groove said:
Whataboutisms all over. I don't see anyone doing dick about it at all. I do see NY scrambling to make room for people. Why? It's written into law that we do so.Halifax2TheMax said:
The bolded part of your statement is a mis-characterization. Again, I’ll ask, where and what is the repub plan for addressing the immigration “crisis?” The repubs control the house and thus the purse strings. The Brandon Crime Family submitted a budget with specific funding requests. Where is the repub counter proposal or solution? Or even a debate for the American people to see where the parties stand? What’s Kevy or Maggie Three Names doing about it? Oh yea, authorizing an impeachment inquiry and threatening to shut down the gubmint at the end of the month.tempo_n_groove said:
Again I see you are taking your own liberties at what people say...cblock4life said:
“A team of CNN journalists made the nearly 70-mile journey by foot in February, interviewing migrants, guides, locals and officials about why so many are taking the risk, braving unforgiving terrain, extortion and violence.”nicknyr15 said:There’s no immigration problem. NYC is doing just fine. Nothing to see here. 15% budget to agencies across the board? Ppfffffttt. No biggie.Maybe one day Mayor Adams will try something other than begging the federal government for help. It’s getting old. Also pretty funny how quickly hypocrites change their tune about this issue when a migrant shelter is planned right near them. You have to hear some of these people. Hilarious.These migrants are coming here with a false sense of hope. I feel terrible for them because no amount of scooters or phones are gonna help them. This city is ruthless and unaffordable to people who have waaaay more at their fingertips than these poor people. I don’t know how this is helping anyone involved. There has to be a better way
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/americas/darien-gap-migrants-colombia-panama-whole-story-cmd-intl/index.htmlI worked with immigration parents and children for 11 years. They want to be here. They want to work, feed their families, have homes, access to medical care. Don’t think for one second they didn’t walk across countries because they don’t want to be here. It’s a piss poor excuse to just wash away the truth.We don’t really own the land, the country, the air. The lack of empathy and entitlement around here shouldn’t surprise me but it does.Who sent those immigrants to NY? Blame them.
Yes they want to be here but NOT HERE. They didn't plan on coming to NY. Nobody thinks they walked here or paid a coyote for no reason... They wanted to get over the border. Having come here like Nick said is not doing them any favors, I have said this too.
If they want to live 10 people to a room and that's ok with them, fine. I've seen migrants do that for years. It used to be to send money back home but now it's the drug and war torn countries that want to be here.
We have extended family in Peru. One in a wheelchair was robbed of his ipad. Who does that? Yeah, i'd want out too. We as a country need to handle the whole influx situation better. Just letting people in and figuring it out later is not the way to go about it.
The dems when they had control did nothing. We know the repubs will do nothing. It's one big circle...
Did you ever think to go ask those food delivery folks how long they’ve been in NYC and how is it they’re able to afford a cell phone and a scooter or e-bike, seeing how you’re so interested?
Are you pissed at Abbott & Costello and Deathsantis for “doing nothing” or bussing them to NYC? If not, why not?
I'll do so next time. I'll ask a few of them and do interviews as I am quite curious.
Who's not pissed?!? When they sent people to Marthas vineyard I thought that was absurd.
I don't know why you ask obvious questions to answers you already know and how I get sucked up into answering them...Immigrants, legal or otherwise have to start somewhere and they typically start in jobs Muricans don’t want or won’t do. Farming and slaughter houses come to mind.
I said exploitable labor is also becoming semi-skilled and skilled, NOT just unskilled or unwanted jobs. I was agreeing with you on a point u missed as usual.
They didn't want to be here was from the articles of migrants being put on a bus against their will and sent here. They were literally articles posted on these threads! Not assuming.
The Nobody wants to help was actually referring to the US govt. Mayor Adams has said as much and so has our Governor so no, not assuming that either.
You aren't in NY construction or any construction for that manner so I'll explain a few things clearer.
On union sites you are allowed 1 truck from out of state to come "haul debris". Those trucks require a CDL. A CDL is skilled labor. The other trucks that come in are Teamsters, those are Union, also skilled workers. They pay union rates. The out of state truck? Not sure but he needs a CDL to get in that truck.
The people on the union sites that are laborer's that pick up the trash are union. If they weren't they would be thrown off the job unless there is a PLA. A laborer gets paid a good wage to push a broom and sweep up trash on a site like that.
A shop/business might be able to get you in the door for an apprenticeship but it isn't guaranteed.
The scaffolding company that was non-union all immigrant was an example I was trying making that the work for semi-skilled and skilled was becoming exploitable. Wanting to take you to Queensbridge where they are rebuilding the projects is where the more shady things I've seen go down. It's like a Home Depot there. This was a point I actually agreed with you on but your contrarian self just wants to see it another way...
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Maybe had you explained it this way the first time and not mix up your terminology? I’m supposed to “assume” that when you reference semi and skilled it equates to “exploitable?” Or that union versus nonunion equates to skilled? The guy pushing a broom or hauling materials and debris isn’t a licensed trade, skilled, or even an apprentice, semi-skilled, right? Nobody said anything about “good” wages in the construction industry other than I’ll bet you don’t see a lot of native born pushing those brooms and hauling debris, despite “good” wages, because it’s union, not skilled.tempo_n_groove said:
Not what I said at all...Halifax2TheMax said:
Tempo assumed all labor on construction sites in nyc is semi or skilled. I disagreed so he said it was either non union or union. Contractors in either category don’t pay semi or skilled prevailing wages for the labor that hauls materials or demo debris. And, you’d be hard pressed to find native born folks to do that work. It’s typically unskilled and entry level work to prove yourself and show you know your way around a job site and are worthy of a contractor taking you in an apprenticeship type program.static111 said:
There is a lot of skilled non union labor out there...some maybe even better than the union folks. I've never correlated skilled labor/unskilled labor as union non union before. Or are you trying to make a different point?Halifax2TheMax said:
You “assumed” that all workers on a construction site are semi-skilled or skilled, then made it about union and non-union. You also “assume” that the immigrants you see in NYC don’t want to be there, that “nobody” is helping them out and that they’re being set up to fail. I guess you’ve interviewed these folks seeing how you walk around construction sites and drive around NYC everyday and don’t assume anything, it’s all “fact?” Do I have that right?tempo_n_groove said:
I assume nothing, if anything you assume what I think because of the questions you ask.Halifax2TheMax said:
Based on your posts, I have no idea what the fuck you think, particularly since your thoughts are based upon assumptions, often times incorrect.tempo_n_groove said:
We can go back and forth all day on this. I know the repubs do nothing, that is not without question. The dems giving a dtailed proposal now when they don't have power anymore is playing politics. "look at what we are trying to do but we can't get it voted in" Has been happening for years and you still buy into they are trying to do something. When they had the power they should have rammed as much as they could when they could. That's the only way Obamacare got passed.Halifax2TheMax said:
But it’s not. That’s where you’re wrong. The Brandon crime family has concrete proposals, policies and funding requests for same. Your bothsidesism is what the repubs want you to believe and it appears they’ve been successful.tempo_n_groove said:
Whataboutisms all over. I don't see anyone doing dick about it at all. I do see NY scrambling to make room for people. Why? It's written into law that we do so.Halifax2TheMax said:
The bolded part of your statement is a mis-characterization. Again, I’ll ask, where and what is the repub plan for addressing the immigration “crisis?” The repubs control the house and thus the purse strings. The Brandon Crime Family submitted a budget with specific funding requests. Where is the repub counter proposal or solution? Or even a debate for the American people to see where the parties stand? What’s Kevy or Maggie Three Names doing about it? Oh yea, authorizing an impeachment inquiry and threatening to shut down the gubmint at the end of the month.tempo_n_groove said:
Again I see you are taking your own liberties at what people say...cblock4life said:
“A team of CNN journalists made the nearly 70-mile journey by foot in February, interviewing migrants, guides, locals and officials about why so many are taking the risk, braving unforgiving terrain, extortion and violence.”nicknyr15 said:There’s no immigration problem. NYC is doing just fine. Nothing to see here. 15% budget to agencies across the board? Ppfffffttt. No biggie.Maybe one day Mayor Adams will try something other than begging the federal government for help. It’s getting old. Also pretty funny how quickly hypocrites change their tune about this issue when a migrant shelter is planned right near them. You have to hear some of these people. Hilarious.These migrants are coming here with a false sense of hope. I feel terrible for them because no amount of scooters or phones are gonna help them. This city is ruthless and unaffordable to people who have waaaay more at their fingertips than these poor people. I don’t know how this is helping anyone involved. There has to be a better way
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/americas/darien-gap-migrants-colombia-panama-whole-story-cmd-intl/index.htmlI worked with immigration parents and children for 11 years. They want to be here. They want to work, feed their families, have homes, access to medical care. Don’t think for one second they didn’t walk across countries because they don’t want to be here. It’s a piss poor excuse to just wash away the truth.We don’t really own the land, the country, the air. The lack of empathy and entitlement around here shouldn’t surprise me but it does.Who sent those immigrants to NY? Blame them.
Yes they want to be here but NOT HERE. They didn't plan on coming to NY. Nobody thinks they walked here or paid a coyote for no reason... They wanted to get over the border. Having come here like Nick said is not doing them any favors, I have said this too.
If they want to live 10 people to a room and that's ok with them, fine. I've seen migrants do that for years. It used to be to send money back home but now it's the drug and war torn countries that want to be here.
We have extended family in Peru. One in a wheelchair was robbed of his ipad. Who does that? Yeah, i'd want out too. We as a country need to handle the whole influx situation better. Just letting people in and figuring it out later is not the way to go about it.
The dems when they had control did nothing. We know the repubs will do nothing. It's one big circle...
Did you ever think to go ask those food delivery folks how long they’ve been in NYC and how is it they’re able to afford a cell phone and a scooter or e-bike, seeing how you’re so interested?
Are you pissed at Abbott & Costello and Deathsantis for “doing nothing” or bussing them to NYC? If not, why not?
I'll do so next time. I'll ask a few of them and do interviews as I am quite curious.
Who's not pissed?!? When they sent people to Marthas vineyard I thought that was absurd.
I don't know why you ask obvious questions to answers you already know and how I get sucked up into answering them...Immigrants, legal or otherwise have to start somewhere and they typically start in jobs Muricans don’t want or won’t do. Farming and slaughter houses come to mind.
I said exploitable labor is also becoming semi-skilled and skilled, NOT just unskilled or unwanted jobs. I was agreeing with you on a point u missed as usual.
They didn't want to be here was from the articles of migrants being put on a bus against their will and sent here. They were literally articles posted on these threads! Not assuming.
The Nobody wants to help was actually referring to the US govt. Mayor Adams has said as much and so has our Governor so no, not assuming that either.
You aren't in NY construction or any construction for that manner so I'll explain a few things clearer.
On union sites you are allowed 1 truck from out of state to come "haul debris". Those trucks require a CDL. A CDL is skilled labor. The other trucks that come in are Teamsters, those are Union, also skilled workers. They pay union rates. The out of state truck? Not sure but he needs a CDL to get in that truck.
The people on the union sites that are laborer's that pick up the trash are union. If they weren't they would be thrown off the job unless there is a PLA. A laborer gets paid a good wage to push a broom and sweep up trash on a site like that.
A shop/business might be able to get you in the door for an apprenticeship but it isn't guaranteed.
The scaffolding company that was non-union all immigrant was an example I was trying making that the work for semi-skilled and skilled was becoming exploitable. Wanting to take you to Queensbridge where they are rebuilding the projects is where the more shady things I've seen go down. It's like a Home Depot there. This was a point I actually agreed with you on but your contrarian self just wants to see it another way...
It's funny that a person that lives and does this for a living and tries to give a big picture gets scrutinized because I didn't give you interviews? Experience goes along with talking to people. I will talk to the scooter people though when I have a chance.
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Nobody’s doing nothing to help? Did you assume to say “nobody’s doing nothing to help” when you really meant, “the gubmint isn’t doing enough to help,” or “the gubmint needs to do more to help?”
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Again. On a union site the guy hauling the debris and pushing a broom IS A LICENSED TRADE. They are native born, foreign and other...Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe had you explained it this way the first time and not mix up your terminology? I’m supposed to “assume” that when you reference semi and skilled it equates to “exploitable?” Or that union versus nonunion equates to skilled? The guy pushing a broom or hauling materials and debris isn’t a licensed trade, skilled, or even an apprentice, semi-skilled, right? Nobody said anything about “good” wages in the construction industry other than I’ll bet you don’t see a lot of native born pushing those brooms and hauling debris, despite “good” wages, because it’s union, not skilled.tempo_n_groove said:
Not what I said at all...Halifax2TheMax said:
Tempo assumed all labor on construction sites in nyc is semi or skilled. I disagreed so he said it was either non union or union. Contractors in either category don’t pay semi or skilled prevailing wages for the labor that hauls materials or demo debris. And, you’d be hard pressed to find native born folks to do that work. It’s typically unskilled and entry level work to prove yourself and show you know your way around a job site and are worthy of a contractor taking you in an apprenticeship type program.static111 said:
There is a lot of skilled non union labor out there...some maybe even better than the union folks. I've never correlated skilled labor/unskilled labor as union non union before. Or are you trying to make a different point?Halifax2TheMax said:
You “assumed” that all workers on a construction site are semi-skilled or skilled, then made it about union and non-union. You also “assume” that the immigrants you see in NYC don’t want to be there, that “nobody” is helping them out and that they’re being set up to fail. I guess you’ve interviewed these folks seeing how you walk around construction sites and drive around NYC everyday and don’t assume anything, it’s all “fact?” Do I have that right?ume what I think because of the questions you ask.Immigrants, legal or otherwise have to start somewhere and they typically start in jobs Muricans don’t want or won’t do. Farming and slaughter houses come to mind.
I said exploitable labor is also becoming semi-skilled and skilled, NOT just unskilled or unwanted jobs. I was agreeing with you on a point u missed as usual.
They didn't want to be here was from the articles of migrants being put on a bus against their will and sent here. They were literally articles posted on these threads! Not assuming.
The Nobody wants to help was actually referring to the US govt. Mayor Adams has said as much and so has our Governor so no, not assuming that either.
You aren't in NY construction or any construction for that manner so I'll explain a few things clearer.
On union sites you are allowed 1 truck from out of state to come "haul debris". Those trucks require a CDL. A CDL is skilled labor. The other trucks that come in are Teamsters, those are Union, also skilled workers. They pay union rates. The out of state truck? Not sure but he needs a CDL to get in that truck.
The people on the union sites that are laborer's that pick up the trash are union. If they weren't they would be thrown off the job unless there is a PLA. A laborer gets paid a good wage to push a broom and sweep up trash on a site like that.
A shop/business might be able to get you in the door for an apprenticeship but it isn't guaranteed.
The scaffolding company that was non-union all immigrant was an example I was trying making that the work for semi-skilled and skilled was becoming exploitable. Wanting to take you to Queensbridge where they are rebuilding the projects is where the more shady things I've seen go down. It's like a Home Depot there. This was a point I actually agreed with you on but your contrarian self just wants to see it another way...
It's funny that a person that lives and does this for a living and tries to give a big picture gets scrutinized because I didn't give you interviews? Experience goes along with talking to people. I will talk to the scooter people though when I have a chance.
Im not being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, I’m disagreeing with your assumptions based on how YOU express them, as usual. And you have no clue what my experience is in and around the construction industry. None. Another assumption on your part. Just think, you could have driven to the show last night and taken some unhappy migrants with you? There’s still time for Austin.
If it's on a prevailing wage job that broom pusher isn't in a trade but he is making a hell of a wage.
On other sites, sure those guys are most likely low man on the totem pole and sometimes not. I once hired a good worker to clean up because he was good at it and an asset to the work environment.
The sum of what I say should hold some weight but you'll pick apart little bits that you misread and totally contrarian. I got sucked into it again... We both believe in labor is being exploited but you found a grand way to disagree...
You don't talk like you are around them much, I'll say that.
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This is good because and because you are inept at reading what i write... The governor of NY wasn't helping out with funds and Mayor of NY said they will be budget cuts to offset the costs.Halifax2TheMax said:Nobody’s doing nothing to help? Did you assume to say “nobody’s doing nothing to help” when you really meant, “the gubmint isn’t doing enough to help,” or “the gubmint needs to do more to help?”
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/20/omnibus-spending-bill-migrants-00074785
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2023/08/21/dhs-announces-distribution-more-77-million-congressional-funding-communities
Now they can change their tunes.
I did say the government wasn't doing enough to help but you missed that too. I'm exhausted from you. I'm taking a break.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
This is good because and because you are inept at reading what i write... The governor of NY wasn't helping out with funds and Mayor of NY said they will be budget cuts to offset the costs.Halifax2TheMax said:Nobody’s doing nothing to help? Did you assume to say “nobody’s doing nothing to help” when you really meant, “the gubmint isn’t doing enough to help,” or “the gubmint needs to do more to help?”
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/20/omnibus-spending-bill-migrants-00074785
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2023/08/21/dhs-announces-distribution-more-77-million-congressional-funding-communities
Now they can change their tunes.
I did say the government wasn't doing enough to help but you missed that too. I'm exhausted from you. I'm taking a break.All from your posts. I disagree with your assumptions. Get some beauty rest.Whataboutisms all over. I don't see anyone doing dick about it at all.The dems when they had control did nothing.The dems giving a dtailed proposal now when they don't have power anymore is playing politics. "look at what we are trying to do but we can't get it voted in"
OK my bolded statement isn't off base. He literally said in an interview that NYC will be making budget cuts because the US govt has not pitched in and that the city will have to pay for the migrants. Said it on TV. In him doing so, saying this, it has done nothing to help these people whom got shipped here with the US govt. I'm trying to figure out what's off base still?
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1-When you have more space being occupied and no permanent housing for the people coming in, that to me is doing nothing.
2- Assuming that when Dems had power they did nothing...2013 — With President Barack Obama in the White House, a bipartisan group of senators, nicknamed the Gang of 8, negotiated an immigration reform bill that was approved in the Senate. The bill included a path to legal status and eventual citizenship, and it established “goals,” such as putting up 700 miles of border fencing and getting an employment verification system up and running before people who were in the country illegally could apply for legalization. It also would have added as many as 40,000 Border Patrol agents. A less celebrated bipartisan group of eight members was working on a bill in the House, but it disintegrated without having introduced a bill. House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, announced that there would be no movement on immigration.
3- Assuming the Dems had a detailed proposal. Dignity Act. If it gets passed I'll say I was wrong but it's going on like 3 years now.
4-Assuming that Mayor adams said he would have to make budget cuts...
https://subscriber.politicopro.com/article/2023/09/nyc-eric-adams-migrant-crisis-00114879
5- With Mayor Adams saying the above, assuming it does no favors to the migrants, I started my statement with how this would make more NYers at odds with the migrants if it effected certain budget cuts, assuming of course.
6-If government really gave a shit they would have this fixed. It's not an assumption either. See below.
Heres a new article. Migrants are now requesting to come here from Texas.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/nyc-migrant-crisis-explained.html
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All a far cry from “nobody did nothing.” And despite dems trying to do the most, including Obama with DACA, they’ve been singled out by you as “having done nothing “ and, was it, “not giving a shit.”tempo_n_groove said:1-When you have more space being occupied and no permanent housing for the people coming in, that to me is doing nothing.
2- Assuming that when Dems had power they did nothing...2013 — With President Barack Obama in the White House, a bipartisan group of senators, nicknamed the Gang of 8, negotiated an immigration reform bill that was approved in the Senate. The bill included a path to legal status and eventual citizenship, and it established “goals,” such as putting up 700 miles of border fencing and getting an employment verification system up and running before people who were in the country illegally could apply for legalization. It also would have added as many as 40,000 Border Patrol agents. A less celebrated bipartisan group of eight members was working on a bill in the House, but it disintegrated without having introduced a bill. House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, announced that there would be no movement on immigration.
3- Assuming the Dems had a detailed proposal. Dignity Act. If it gets passed I'll say I was wrong but it's going on like 3 years now.
4-Assuming that Mayor adams said he would have to make budget cuts...
https://subscriber.politicopro.com/article/2023/09/nyc-eric-adams-migrant-crisis-00114879
5- With Mayor Adams saying the above, assuming it does no favors to the migrants, I started my statement with how this would make more NYers at odds with the migrants if it effected certain budget cuts, assuming of course.
6-If government really gave a shit they would have this fixed. It's not an assumption either. See below.
Heres a new article. Migrants are now requesting to come here from Texas.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/nyc-migrant-crisis-explained.html
And you didn’t mention what Governor Houchle, as a dem, has done to deal with migrants, including setting up a way for employers to find labourers through job/skill matching in all parts of the state, not just NYC. Guess that’s “doing nothing” and “not giving a shit” too?
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I'm glad you feel that enough is being done for them, bless you heart.Halifax2TheMax said:
All a far cry from “nobody did nothing.” And despite dems trying to do the most, including Obama with DACA, they’ve been singled out by you as “having done nothing “ and, was it, “not giving a shit.”tempo_n_groove said:1-When you have more space being occupied and no permanent housing for the people coming in, that to me is doing nothing.
2- Assuming that when Dems had power they did nothing...2013 — With President Barack Obama in the White House, a bipartisan group of senators, nicknamed the Gang of 8, negotiated an immigration reform bill that was approved in the Senate. The bill included a path to legal status and eventual citizenship, and it established “goals,” such as putting up 700 miles of border fencing and getting an employment verification system up and running before people who were in the country illegally could apply for legalization. It also would have added as many as 40,000 Border Patrol agents. A less celebrated bipartisan group of eight members was working on a bill in the House, but it disintegrated without having introduced a bill. House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, announced that there would be no movement on immigration.
3- Assuming the Dems had a detailed proposal. Dignity Act. If it gets passed I'll say I was wrong but it's going on like 3 years now.
4-Assuming that Mayor adams said he would have to make budget cuts...
https://subscriber.politicopro.com/article/2023/09/nyc-eric-adams-migrant-crisis-00114879
5- With Mayor Adams saying the above, assuming it does no favors to the migrants, I started my statement with how this would make more NYers at odds with the migrants if it effected certain budget cuts, assuming of course.
6-If government really gave a shit they would have this fixed. It's not an assumption either. See below.
Heres a new article. Migrants are now requesting to come here from Texas.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/nyc-migrant-crisis-explained.html
And you didn’t mention what Governor Houchle, as a dem, has done to deal with migrants, including setting up a way for employers to find labourers through job/skill matching in all parts of the state, not just NYC. Guess that’s “doing nothing” and “not giving a shit” too?
Which is it? They don’t want to be here or they do want to be in NY? Can’t keep up with your assumptions.
So I show you that I assume nothing with where I get information with articles and it's just not good enough. Can't say, ok I see that or take the high road? Wow...
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Good article out yesterday in the Times. Give it a read or don't.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/nyc-migrant-crisis-explained.html
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