14 years and counting...

Halifax2TheMax

LongestRoad said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

LongestRoad said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

LongestRoad said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

The Juggler said:

my2hands said:

Having several hundred trying to bum-rush the border sure doesn't help their cause... and certainly doesn't hurt Trump's message either

Trying to overwhelm and storm through the border by force might even be called an invasion by some 

nnnnnope.

Ok bud, tell that to the American public.

Things are a little more complicated than "orange man, bad" 

they're also a little more complicated than "brown man invasion"

No doubt, never said any different. 

Canada can hop in and help at any time 

help with what? y'all out of tear gas? maybe we could give some pointers on how to kick puppies or punch babies until they cry too. 

from what I've learned here from my canadian friends undocumented immigrants cant get a drivers license, attend school, or get medical care in Canada... even children

Whats that about kicking puppies?

My point is it's easy to Monday Morning QB when it's not your border and not your problem. You think its a bad thing Americans don't want hordes of people just rushing across the border? 

Nobody questions the adults that try to bum-rush the American border by force with children? Its just the evil Americans fault right? What are they supposed to do, high five everybody as they run past them? Lol

A VAST majority of America has no issue with immigration if done legitimately and legally,  but to even discuss it people are quick to label that person as "afraid of the other" or some dumb shit... there is some real Trump Derangement Syndrome going on now, it's either let everyone stampede in or you're a fucking nazi. Ridiculous. 

Keep it up, youre playing right into their hands, and there are more Trumps coming in the future, they will just be better politicians.

Team Trump Treason could have called a cabinet meeting and directed his SOS to work with the OAS and UN to head this off and offer up US aid and assistance.  That’s what a world leader would have done.

What has the Canadian leader offered?

They aren't at the Canadian border.

These guys should maybe sit the next few plays out.

What a stupid argument.

no, it's not

the central american failed states and ensuing crime is a hemispheric issue, not an American issue... the reason they are coming here is because they know America has generally lax laws and approach to immigration and undocumented immigrants compared to other wealthy nations in the hemisphere... in short, they know social benefits will be available to them and that they and their children can stay if they give birth... that coupled with the presence of a thriving Hispanic culture in America is why they are coming here, but that doesnt mean it should just be America's problem... 

I was honestly shocked to learn from my friends here how tight the Canadian system is compared to us... makes it seem like our sysytem is ripe for abuse and taking advantage of, because frankly it is 

What are the other leaders in the hemisphere doing to help in Central America? What are they doing about the migration crisis? Besides pointing the finger while we do all the heavy lifting, again

so what is america doing about the immigration issues in Europe right now? 

yeah, makes as much sense. 

Different continent in a different hemisphere. You guys are really struggling, because the point is obvious

how is legally processing a few thousand asylum seekers that difficult, and if the US is so bloody awesome at everything, why do you need canada's help? I thought we were useless little brothers to you folks who need constant protection?

The issue is a few thousand all at once in a single location. There aren't enough staff to process them, or places to shelter them while they wait. So then what happens? Either we let them in while we process them, most to never been properly processed after that, or make them wait weeks outside the boarder while we go through the thousands. Everything that TJ's mayor is complaining about is exactly what the problem would be wherever this caravan lands.
We do process thousands without issue, but that is spread over 2500 miles and a few weeks.

the US had weeks to prepare. Trump did nothing but stoke fears of an invasion. and then sent the military in (some say illegally). 

Here’s some Canadian info complete with a picture of what it looks like immigrating illegally.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

that article pretty much sums up what we're all stating: the US president is fucking this up big time and other countries are actually doing something to try to contain and help the issue. 

That is absolutely not what the article says... 

?????? It says, as HFD is attempting to point out, that Canada isn't fucking attacking women and children with force. It's saying that Canada is doing exactly what most here are calling for with the USA. Don't fucking treat the asylum seekers like an invading army. Treat them like people crossing the border illegally. I.e. don't attack them. Process them. NOBODY on these boards has called for just letting people walk freely across the border, and I can never understand why some keep pretending anyone is suggesting such a thing.

You don’t think throwing rocks assaulting border patrol is wrong or should be dealt with? Everything that you all are bitching about the US was comparable to what Canada does. Canada has a lot of room but still deports. 

And so does the US. 226,000 deportees last year.
 

PJ_Soul

LongestRoad said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

LongestRoad said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

The Juggler said

These guys should maybe sit the next few plays out.

What a stupid argument.

no, it's not

the central american failed states and ensuing crime is a hemispheric issue, not an American issue... the reason they are coming here is because they know America has generally lax laws and approach to immigration and undocumented immigrants compared to other wealthy nations in the hemisphere... in short, they know social benefits will be available to them and that they and their children can stay if they give birth... that coupled with the presence of a thriving Hispanic culture in America is why they are coming here, but that doesnt mean it should just be America's problem... 

I was honestly shocked to learn from my friends here how tight the Canadian system is compared to us... makes it seem like our sysytem is ripe for abuse and taking advantage of, because frankly it is 

What are the other leaders in the hemisphere doing to help in Central America? What are they doing about the migration crisis? Besides pointing the finger while we do all the heavy lifting, again

so what is america doing about the immigration issues in Europe right now? 

yeah, makes as much sense. 

Different continent in a different hemisphere. You guys are really struggling, because the point is obvious

how is legally processing a few thousand asylum seekers that difficult, and if the US is so bloody awesome at everything, why do you need canada's help? I thought we were useless little brothers to you folks who need constant protection?

The issue is a few thousand all at once in a single location. There aren't enough staff to process them, or places to shelter them while they wait. So then what happens? Either we let them in while we process them, most to never been properly processed after that, or make them wait weeks outside the boarder while we go through the thousands. Everything that TJ's mayor is complaining about is exactly what the problem would be wherever this caravan lands.
We do process thousands without issue, but that is spread over 2500 miles and a few weeks.

the US had weeks to prepare. Trump did nothing but stoke fears of an invasion. and then sent the military in (some say illegally). 

Here’s some Canadian info complete with a picture of what it looks like immigrating illegally.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

that article pretty much sums up what we're all stating: the US president is fucking this up big time and other countries are actually doing something to try to contain and help the issue. 

That is absolutely not what the article says... 

?????? It says, as HFD is attempting to point out, that Canada isn't fucking attacking women and children with force. It's saying that Canada is doing exactly what most here are calling for with the USA. Don't fucking treat the asylum seekers like an invading army. Treat them like people crossing the border illegally. I.e. don't attack them. Process them. NOBODY on these boards has called for just letting people walk freely across the border, and I can never understand why some keep pretending anyone is suggesting such a thing.

You don’t think throwing rocks assaulting border patrol is wrong or should be dealt with? Everything that you all are bitching about the US was comparable to what Canada does. Canada has a lot of room but still deports. 

Holy crap, it's like you're being deliberately obtuse. Don't you understand that Trump allowed that situation to occur? He did literally everything possible to ensure that this scenario would play out exactly like it did. What SHOULD have been done is for them to set up processing centres, inform the caravan about where they are, and dealt with it. That is what everyone has been saying this whole time. Instead they purposefully left these people with no options, because they were literally dying for a conflict like what happened yesterday morning, so that people like you could say, "See?!? They're throwing rocks and assaulting border patrol!!"

HughFreakingDillon

LongestRoad said:

You don’t think throwing rocks assaulting border patrol is wrong or should be dealt with? Everything that you all are bitching about the US was comparable to what Canada does. Canada has a lot of room but still deports. 

again, I'd like to see some actual undoctored/unedited footage of what happened. Of course if they were doing that and they were the instigators, of course they should be dealt with and the border patrol on the US should be able to defend itself. 

Given this admin and its policies and behaviours, my first suspicion is that the rock throwers were defending themselves. But if I'm wrong, yes, defend yourself. of course. 

yes, we deport. obama deported a shitload. who cares? no one is talking about deporting, if it's legitimate (and moral-i.e: not separating families). 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

^^^

I'm very sceptical of the story as well.

I'm supposed to believe the Honduran people trekked north to the US to engage in a rock fight with the border control? Like this was the big plan to be admitted to the country?

I don't know what happened, but I'm just not super eager to buy into the notion that- after an arduous journey- the Hondurans loaded up their pockets with rocks about a mile before the border and tried to rush it (as part of the plan).

PJ_Soul

Absolutely, one way or another that whole scene was COMPLETELY by design.

tempo_n_groove

PJ_Soul said:

Absolutely, one way or another that whole scene was COMPLETELY by design.

Mob mentality?  One runs we all run?

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Absolutely, one way or another that whole scene was COMPLETELY by design.

Mob mentality?  One runs we all run?

Team Trump Treason is just looking for an excuse to declare martial law and suspend freedoms so anyone can be stopped and detained while banning the press from covering it.

LongestRoad

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

LongestRoad said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

Different continent in a different hemisphere. You guys are really struggling, because the point is obvious

how is legally processing a few thousand asylum seekers that difficult, and if the US is so bloody awesome at everything, why do you need canada's help? I thought we were useless little brothers to you folks who need constant protection?

The issue is a few thousand all at once in a single location. There aren't enough staff to process them, or places to shelter them while they wait. So then what happens? Either we let them in while we process them, most to never been properly processed after that, or make them wait weeks outside the boarder while we go through the thousands. Everything that TJ's mayor is complaining about is exactly what the problem would be wherever this caravan lands.
We do process thousands without issue, but that is spread over 2500 miles and a few weeks.

the US had weeks to prepare. Trump did nothing but stoke fears of an invasion. and then sent the military in (some say illegally). 

Here’s some Canadian info complete with a picture of what it looks like immigrating illegally.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

that article pretty much sums up what we're all stating: the US president is fucking this up big time and other countries are actually doing something to try to contain and help the issue. 

That is absolutely not what the article says... 

?????? It says, as HFD is attempting to point out, that Canada isn't fucking attacking women and children with force. It's saying that Canada is doing exactly what most here are calling for with the USA. Don't fucking treat the asylum seekers like an invading army. Treat them like people crossing the border illegally. I.e. don't attack them. Process them. NOBODY on these boards has called for just letting people walk freely across the border, and I can never understand why some keep pretending anyone is suggesting such a thing.

Just to put in perspective what the difference in numbers are of people crossing between the US and Canada.

Canada saw an "influx" in border crossings and upped the avg daily crossing to 183 a day compared to the US 1000 per day.

There are more than 5000 in Tijuana right now.  That's how many people crossed in 30 days into all of Canada...

Everyone knows that. And the USA has 10 times the people. 10 times the people, 10 times the immigrants to deal with, WAY more money to spend on it, more resources, and MUCH larger government, a much larger pool of people who could help with it.... In any case, I'm not sure what your point is, besides some kind of pointless kind of pissing contest when it comes to Canada and the US, which is weird but keeps coming up.

This crisis is happening in AMERICA - what Canada might do if they were on the Mexican border is beyond irrelevant, since we do all understand what America's capabilities are either way. So is your point that 5000 people (only about 1/6 of the number of people who normally enter every month) justifies attacking women and children with military force (and having a true PLAN to do so ahead of time) instead of setting up a processing centres and other services to deal with them humanely? The USA has loads of prisons with that many prisoners, and they manage to feed, house, clothe, educate, and manage all the administration and paperwork for every single of one those prisoners on a constant basis. The entire US government can't manage that kind of work, even temporarily for one group of people?? We ALL know that the US could set up ways to process these people instead of assaulting children if they wanted to. Trump has very specifically chosen not to do that, and instead created another perceived enemy, for his own political benefit. And again, like his propaganda always seems to, it's working like a charm on a whole lot of people. Each time people find a way to somehow excuse this, I'm freshly flabbergasted.

lol, your whole point is to minimize the assault on law enforcement using woman and children as media shields and physical shields. 

tempo_n_groove

LongestRoad said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

LongestRoad said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

Different continent in a different hemisphere. You guys are really struggling, because the point is obvious

how is legally processing a few thousand asylum seekers that difficult, and if the US is so bloody awesome at everything, why do you need canada's help? I thought we were useless little brothers to you folks who need constant protection?

The issue is a few thousand all at once in a single location. There aren't enough staff to process them, or places to shelter them while they wait. So then what happens? Either we let them in while we process them, most to never been properly processed after that, or make them wait weeks outside the boarder while we go through the thousands. Everything that TJ's mayor is complaining about is exactly what the problem would be wherever this caravan lands.
We do process thousands without issue, but that is spread over 2500 miles and a few weeks.

the US had weeks to prepare. Trump did nothing but stoke fears of an invasion. and then sent the military in (some say illegally). 

Here’s some Canadian info complete with a picture of what it looks like immigrating illegally.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

that article pretty much sums up what we're all stating: the US president is fucking this up big time and other countries are actually doing something to try to contain and help the issue. 

That is absolutely not what the article says... 

?????? It says, as HFD is attempting to point out, that Canada isn't fucking attacking women and children with force. It's saying that Canada is doing exactly what most here are calling for with the USA. Don't fucking treat the asylum seekers like an invading army. Treat them like people crossing the border illegally. I.e. don't attack them. Process them. NOBODY on these boards has called for just letting people walk freely across the border, and I can never understand why some keep pretending anyone is suggesting such a thing.

Just to put in perspective what the difference in numbers are of people crossing between the US and Canada.

Canada saw an "influx" in border crossings and upped the avg daily crossing to 183 a day compared to the US 1000 per day.

There are more than 5000 in Tijuana right now.  That's how many people crossed in 30 days into all of Canada...

Everyone knows that. And the USA has 10 times the people. 10 times the people, 10 times the immigrants to deal with, WAY more money to spend on it, more resources, and MUCH larger government, a much larger pool of people who could help with it.... In any case, I'm not sure what your point is, besides some kind of pointless kind of pissing contest when it comes to Canada and the US, which is weird but keeps coming up.

This crisis is happening in AMERICA - what Canada might do if they were on the Mexican border is beyond irrelevant, since we do all understand what America's capabilities are either way. So is your point that 5000 people (only about 1/6 of the number of people who normally enter every month) justifies attacking women and children with military force (and having a true PLAN to do so ahead of time) instead of setting up a processing centres and other services to deal with them humanely? The USA has loads of prisons with that many prisoners, and they manage to feed, house, clothe, educate, and manage all the administration and paperwork for every single of one those prisoners on a constant basis. The entire US government can't manage that kind of work, even temporarily for one group of people?? We ALL know that the US could set up ways to process these people instead of assaulting children if they wanted to. Trump has very specifically chosen not to do that, and instead created another perceived enemy, for his own political benefit. And again, like his propaganda always seems to, it's working like a charm on a whole lot of people. Each time people find a way to somehow excuse this, I'm freshly flabbergasted.

lol, your whole point is to minimize the assault on law enforcement using woman and children as media shields and physical shields. 

I think this too but it's a losing battle either way you look at it.

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Absolutely, one way or another that whole scene was COMPLETELY by design.

Mob mentality?  One runs we all run?

Team Trump Treason is just looking for an excuse to declare martial law and suspend freedoms so anyone can be stopped and detained while banning the press from covering it.

The sky is falling hard today huh?

tbergs

There's a lot of misinformation being spewed on here and it's hard to even keep up to correct the gossip column this has become. I have seen no reports about the use of rubber bullets or women and children being "attacked". Everyone saw that now famous picture of the woman and her kids which is a far cry from depicting the entire situation at the port of entry that day. People actually were throwing rocks and rushing the fence, but it was mostly men and only a small contingent of less than 100. Some also were jumping the walls in place between areas. I think the border patrol agents did a pretty good job considering the amount of people in that area and the level of scrutiny they are being placed under all because Trump advertised this as an invasion. Things could have been handled better from the administration standpoint and they could do more to increase the number of asylum seekers they are processing, but it seems some are more interested in making this as difficult as possible, which is not safe to those seeking asylum or the border patrols agents tasked with making sure those reaching their breaking point don't do something that threatens that process and creates even more chaos than already exists.

What happened on Sunday?

It was a peaceful protest at first, says Fredrick, who witnessed the events in Tijuana. Mexican federal police attempted to contain the crowd, but some migrants were able to pass the Mexican police.

"They went down into this kind of riverbank, where there is not that giant steel fence that divides the U.S. and Mexico," he says. "It's a chain-link fence and barbed wire. A group of them started pushing up against that fence."

At that point, U.S. agents began firing tear gas into the crowd for the first time. Tear gas was used again several times.

It was a windy day, and the tear gas drifted at least half a mile, Fredrick reported Sunday. Families with children, including some far from the altercation at the fence, felt its effects.

Ninety-eight migrants were arrested by Mexican authorities south of the border.

Rodney Scott, chief patrol agent of the San Diego Sector Border Patrol, told CNN on Monday that about 42 people were arrested on the U.S. side of the border, including eight women and "a few children."

Some of the migrants threw rocks, and Border Patrol agents "deployed tear gas to protect themselves and to protect the border," Scott said.

He said several agents were struck by rocks but were not injured because they were wearing tactical gear, including helmets and bulletproof vests.

Many of the migrants say they want to seek asylum in the U.S., which is not illegal — in fact, the right to seek asylum is protected by both U.S. and international law.

What is asylum?

Seeking asylum means asking the U.S. to accept you — legally — because of persecution you are facing in your home country.

Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor; for a person who has already been deported once, it's a felony. Both types of crimes are currently being prosecuted with no exceptions, even if a person later requests asylum.

Seeking asylum at a port of entry, however, is not a crime at all.

However, authorities at legal border crossings have been limiting the number of people who can request asylum. Only 40 to 100 people are allowed each day, Fredrick says.

"People in the caravan who want to request asylum, they're looking at months to even be heard first by U.S. authorities, and then for that claim to be processed can take months or even years," Fredrick tells NPR.

Migrants were protesting that delay.

A spokesman for CBP told NPR's Joel Rose that San Ysidro is limited by its facilities, which can hold up to 300 people, and that the port of entry can process about 100 people per day under ideal conditions.

The federal government is aware that asylum-seekers face a backlog. A report from the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General published in September described the issue.

The U.S. government has encouraged all asylum-seekers to go to ports of entry, rather than along the rest of the border. At the same time, authorities are limiting the volume of asylum-seekers allowed at ports of entry. The "competing directives" have created a backlog, OIG found, likely causing more migrants to enter the country illegally.

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/27/670807343/fact-check-whats-happening-on-the-u-s-mexico-border

The Juggler

tbergs said:

There's a lot of misinformation being spewed on here and it's hard to even keep up to correct the gossip column this has become. I have seen no reports about the use of rubber bullets or women and children being "attacked". Everyone saw that now famous picture of the woman and her kids which is a far cry from depicting the entire situation at the port of entry that day. People actually were throwing rocks and rushing the fence, but it was mostly men and only a small contingent of less than 100. Some also were jumping the walls in place between areas. I think the border patrol agents did a pretty good job considering the amount of people in that area and the level of scrutiny they are being placed under all because Trump advertised this as an invasion. Things could have been handled better from the administration standpoint and they could do more to increase the number of asylum seekers they are processing, but it seems some are more interested in making this as difficult as possible, which is not safe to those seeking asylum or the border patrols agents tasked with making sure those reaching their breaking point don't do something that threatens that process and creates even more chaos than already exists.

What happened on Sunday?

It was a peaceful protest at first, says Fredrick, who witnessed the events in Tijuana. Mexican federal police attempted to contain the crowd, but some migrants were able to pass the Mexican police.

"They went down into this kind of riverbank, where there is not that giant steel fence that divides the U.S. and Mexico," he says. "It's a chain-link fence and barbed wire. A group of them started pushing up against that fence."

At that point, U.S. agents began firing tear gas into the crowd for the first time. Tear gas was used again several times.

It was a windy day, and the tear gas drifted at least half a mile, Fredrick reported Sunday. Families with children, including some far from the altercation at the fence, felt its effects.

Ninety-eight migrants were arrested by Mexican authorities south of the border.

Rodney Scott, chief patrol agent of the San Diego Sector Border Patrol, told CNN on Monday that about 42 people were arrested on the U.S. side of the border, including eight women and "a few children."

Some of the migrants threw rocks, and Border Patrol agents "deployed tear gas to protect themselves and to protect the border," Scott said.

He said several agents were struck by rocks but were not injured because they were wearing tactical gear, including helmets and bulletproof vests.

Many of the migrants say they want to seek asylum in the U.S., which is not illegal — in fact, the right to seek asylum is protected by both U.S. and international law.

What is asylum?

Seeking asylum means asking the U.S. to accept you — legally — because of persecution you are facing in your home country.

Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor; for a person who has already been deported once, it's a felony. Both types of crimes are currently being prosecuted with no exceptions, even if a person later requests asylum.

Seeking asylum at a port of entry, however, is not a crime at all.

However, authorities at legal border crossings have been limiting the number of people who can request asylum. Only 40 to 100 people are allowed each day, Fredrick says.

"People in the caravan who want to request asylum, they're looking at months to even be heard first by U.S. authorities, and then for that claim to be processed can take months or even years," Fredrick tells NPR.

Migrants were protesting that delay.

A spokesman for CBP told NPR's Joel Rose that San Ysidro is limited by its facilities, which can hold up to 300 people, and that the port of entry can process about 100 people per day under ideal conditions.

The federal government is aware that asylum-seekers face a backlog. A report from the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General published in September described the issue.

The U.S. government has encouraged all asylum-seekers to go to ports of entry, rather than along the rest of the border. At the same time, authorities are limiting the volume of asylum-seekers allowed at ports of entry. The "competing directives" have created a backlog, OIG found, likely causing more migrants to enter the country illegally.

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/27/670807343/fact-check-whats-happening-on-the-u-s-mexico-border

Well done Mr. Bergs. Can always count on you for rational, level headed posts. 

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Absolutely, one way or another that whole scene was COMPLETELY by design.

Mob mentality?  One runs we all run?

Team Trump Treason is just looking for an excuse to declare martial law and suspend freedoms so anyone can be stopped and detained while banning the press from covering it.

The sky is falling hard today huh?

I heard the FEMA camps have been set up and the black helicopters are fueled up and sitting on their pads just awaiting the orders to keep everyone in check. 

PJ_Soul

Just don't be like this Tempo! ... but kinda serious too actually. This is one of the more apt Onion articles, and no, not because of the Nazi comparison, lol!

Holocaust Survivors Recall Exact Day Holocaust Started Right Out Of The Blue

https://www.theonion.com/holocaust-survivors-recall-exact-day-holocaust-started-1830685498

LongestRoad

tempo_n_groove said:

LongestRoad said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

LongestRoad said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

Different continent in a different hemisphere. You guys are really struggling, because the point is obvious

how is legally processing a few thousand asylum seekers that difficult, and if the US is so bloody awesome at everything, why do you need canada's help? I thought we were useless little brothers to you folks who need constant protection?

The issue is a few thousand all at once in a single location. There aren't enough staff to process them, or places to shelter them while they wait. So then what happens? Either we let them in while we process them, most to never been properly processed after that, or make them wait weeks outside the boarder while we go through the thousands. Everything that TJ's mayor is complaining about is exactly what the problem would be wherever this caravan lands.
We do process thousands without issue, but that is spread over 2500 miles and a few weeks.

the US had weeks to prepare. Trump did nothing but stoke fears of an invasion. and then sent the military in (some say illegally). 

Here’s some Canadian info complete with a picture of what it looks like immigrating illegally.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

that article pretty much sums up what we're all stating: the US president is fucking this up big time and other countries are actually doing something to try to contain and help the issue. 

That is absolutely not what the article says... 

?????? It says, as HFD is attempting to point out, that Canada isn't fucking attacking women and children with force. It's saying that Canada is doing exactly what most here are calling for with the USA. Don't fucking treat the asylum seekers like an invading army. Treat them like people crossing the border illegally. I.e. don't attack them. Process them. NOBODY on these boards has called for just letting people walk freely across the border, and I can never understand why some keep pretending anyone is suggesting such a thing.

Just to put in perspective what the difference in numbers are of people crossing between the US and Canada.

Canada saw an "influx" in border crossings and upped the avg daily crossing to 183 a day compared to the US 1000 per day.

There are more than 5000 in Tijuana right now.  That's how many people crossed in 30 days into all of Canada...

Everyone knows that. And the USA has 10 times the people. 10 times the people, 10 times the immigrants to deal with, WAY more money to spend on it, more resources, and MUCH larger government, a much larger pool of people who could help with it.... In any case, I'm not sure what your point is, besides some kind of pointless kind of pissing contest when it comes to Canada and the US, which is weird but keeps coming up.

This crisis is happening in AMERICA - what Canada might do if they were on the Mexican border is beyond irrelevant, since we do all understand what America's capabilities are either way. So is your point that 5000 people (only about 1/6 of the number of people who normally enter every month) justifies attacking women and children with military force (and having a true PLAN to do so ahead of time) instead of setting up a processing centres and other services to deal with them humanely? The USA has loads of prisons with that many prisoners, and they manage to feed, house, clothe, educate, and manage all the administration and paperwork for every single of one those prisoners on a constant basis. The entire US government can't manage that kind of work, even temporarily for one group of people?? We ALL know that the US could set up ways to process these people instead of assaulting children if they wanted to. Trump has very specifically chosen not to do that, and instead created another perceived enemy, for his own political benefit. And again, like his propaganda always seems to, it's working like a charm on a whole lot of people. Each time people find a way to somehow excuse this, I'm freshly flabbergasted.

lol, your whole point is to minimize the assault on law enforcement using woman and children as media shields and physical shields. 

I think this too but it's a losing battle either way you look at it.

Sadly, It’s a losing battle for the people that are fleeing the violence that are paying the price for the violent assh’ls at the border.

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Absolutely, one way or another that whole scene was COMPLETELY by design.

Mob mentality?  One runs we all run?

Team Trump Treason is just looking for an excuse to declare martial law and suspend freedoms so anyone can be stopped and detained while banning the press from covering it.

The sky is falling hard today huh?

I heard the FEMA camps have been set up and the black helicopters are fueled up and sitting on their pads just awaiting the orders to keep everyone in check. 

I would have expected this during 9/11.  A few thousand migrants?  No.

The sky is not falling...

If, it won't, but if it does, I will apologize and have a sincere person to person talk with you.

You should google "fema and martial law".  There were many past conspiracies with that.

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Absolutely, one way or another that whole scene was COMPLETELY by design.

Mob mentality?  One runs we all run?

Team Trump Treason is just looking for an excuse to declare martial law and suspend freedoms so anyone can be stopped and detained while banning the press from covering it.

The sky is falling hard today huh?

I heard the FEMA camps have been set up and the black helicopters are fueled up and sitting on their pads just awaiting the orders to keep everyone in check. 

I would have expected this during 9/11.  A few thousand migrants?  No.

The sky is not falling...

If, it won't, but if it does, I will apologize and have a sincere person to person talk with you.

You should google "fema and martial law".  There were many past conspiracies with that.

Sniper teams have been deployed to where the helicopters are and military units are reporting missing team members.

PJ_Soul

LongestRoad said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

LongestRoad said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

Different continent in a different hemisphere. You guys are really struggling, because the point is obvious

how is legally processing a few thousand asylum seekers that difficult, and if the US is so bloody awesome at everything, why do you need canada's help? I thought we were useless little brothers to you folks who need constant protection?

The issue is a few thousand all at once in a single location. There aren't enough staff to process them, or places to shelter them while they wait. So then what happens? Either we let them in while we process them, most to never been properly processed after that, or make them wait weeks outside the boarder while we go through the thousands. Everything that TJ's mayor is complaining about is exactly what the problem would be wherever this caravan lands.
We do process thousands without issue, but that is spread over 2500 miles and a few weeks.

the US had weeks to prepare. Trump did nothing but stoke fears of an invasion. and then sent the military in (some say illegally). 

Here’s some Canadian info complete with a picture of what it looks like immigrating illegally.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

that article pretty much sums up what we're all stating: the US president is fucking this up big time and other countries are actually doing something to try to contain and help the issue. 

That is absolutely not what the article says... 

?????? It says, as HFD is attempting to point out, that Canada isn't fucking attacking women and children with force. It's saying that Canada is doing exactly what most here are calling for with the USA. Don't fucking treat the asylum seekers like an invading army. Treat them like people crossing the border illegally. I.e. don't attack them. Process them. NOBODY on these boards has called for just letting people walk freely across the border, and I can never understand why some keep pretending anyone is suggesting such a thing.

Just to put in perspective what the difference in numbers are of people crossing between the US and Canada.

Canada saw an "influx" in border crossings and upped the avg daily crossing to 183 a day compared to the US 1000 per day.

There are more than 5000 in Tijuana right now.  That's how many people crossed in 30 days into all of Canada...

Everyone knows that. And the USA has 10 times the people. 10 times the people, 10 times the immigrants to deal with, WAY more money to spend on it, more resources, and MUCH larger government, a much larger pool of people who could help with it.... In any case, I'm not sure what your point is, besides some kind of pointless kind of pissing contest when it comes to Canada and the US, which is weird but keeps coming up.

This crisis is happening in AMERICA - what Canada might do if they were on the Mexican border is beyond irrelevant, since we do all understand what America's capabilities are either way. So is your point that 5000 people (only about 1/6 of the number of people who normally enter every month) justifies attacking women and children with military force (and having a true PLAN to do so ahead of time) instead of setting up a processing centres and other services to deal with them humanely? The USA has loads of prisons with that many prisoners, and they manage to feed, house, clothe, educate, and manage all the administration and paperwork for every single of one those prisoners on a constant basis. The entire US government can't manage that kind of work, even temporarily for one group of people?? We ALL know that the US could set up ways to process these people instead of assaulting children if they wanted to. Trump has very specifically chosen not to do that, and instead created another perceived enemy, for his own political benefit. And again, like his propaganda always seems to, it's working like a charm on a whole lot of people. Each time people find a way to somehow excuse this, I'm freshly flabbergasted.

lol, your whole point is to minimize the assault on law enforcement using woman and children as media shields and physical shields. 

No... And please, assaults? The reports say "one or more people" threw a rock, lol. Which was the end result of them feeling threatened during a peaceful march in a plea to be allowed to seek asylum. That "clash" was EXACTLY what Trump wanted.

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

Just don't be like this Tempo! ... but kinda serious too actually. This is one of the more apt Onion articles, and no, not because of the Nazi comparison, lol!

Holocaust Survivors Recall Exact Day Holocaust Started Right Out Of The Blue

https://www.theonion.com/holocaust-survivors-recall-exact-day-holocaust-started-1830685498

It is crazy how many people have forgotten about the holocaust. 

The Juggler

PJ_Soul said:

LongestRoad said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

LongestRoad said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

Different continent in a different hemisphere. You guys are really struggling, because the point is obvious

how is legally processing a few thousand asylum seekers that difficult, and if the US is so bloody awesome at everything, why do you need canada's help? I thought we were useless little brothers to you folks who need constant protection?

The issue is a few thousand all at once in a single location. There aren't enough staff to process them, or places to shelter them while they wait. So then what happens? Either we let them in while we process them, most to never been properly processed after that, or make them wait weeks outside the boarder while we go through the thousands. Everything that TJ's mayor is complaining about is exactly what the problem would be wherever this caravan lands.
We do process thousands without issue, but that is spread over 2500 miles and a few weeks.

the US had weeks to prepare. Trump did nothing but stoke fears of an invasion. and then sent the military in (some say illegally). 

Here’s some Canadian info complete with a picture of what it looks like immigrating illegally.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

that article pretty much sums up what we're all stating: the US president is fucking this up big time and other countries are actually doing something to try to contain and help the issue. 

That is absolutely not what the article says... 

?????? It says, as HFD is attempting to point out, that Canada isn't fucking attacking women and children with force. It's saying that Canada is doing exactly what most here are calling for with the USA. Don't fucking treat the asylum seekers like an invading army. Treat them like people crossing the border illegally. I.e. don't attack them. Process them. NOBODY on these boards has called for just letting people walk freely across the border, and I can never understand why some keep pretending anyone is suggesting such a thing.

Just to put in perspective what the difference in numbers are of people crossing between the US and Canada.

Canada saw an "influx" in border crossings and upped the avg daily crossing to 183 a day compared to the US 1000 per day.

There are more than 5000 in Tijuana right now.  That's how many people crossed in 30 days into all of Canada...

Everyone knows that. And the USA has 10 times the people. 10 times the people, 10 times the immigrants to deal with, WAY more money to spend on it, more resources, and MUCH larger government, a much larger pool of people who could help with it.... In any case, I'm not sure what your point is, besides some kind of pointless kind of pissing contest when it comes to Canada and the US, which is weird but keeps coming up.

This crisis is happening in AMERICA - what Canada might do if they were on the Mexican border is beyond irrelevant, since we do all understand what America's capabilities are either way. So is your point that 5000 people (only about 1/6 of the number of people who normally enter every month) justifies attacking women and children with military force (and having a true PLAN to do so ahead of time) instead of setting up a processing centres and other services to deal with them humanely? The USA has loads of prisons with that many prisoners, and they manage to feed, house, clothe, educate, and manage all the administration and paperwork for every single of one those prisoners on a constant basis. The entire US government can't manage that kind of work, even temporarily for one group of people?? We ALL know that the US could set up ways to process these people instead of assaulting children if they wanted to. Trump has very specifically chosen not to do that, and instead created another perceived enemy, for his own political benefit. And again, like his propaganda always seems to, it's working like a charm on a whole lot of people. Each time people find a way to somehow excuse this, I'm freshly flabbergasted.

lol, your whole point is to minimize the assault on law enforcement using woman and children as media shields and physical shields. 

No... And please, assaults? The reports say "one or more people" threw a rock, lol. Which was the end result of them feeling threatened during a peaceful march in a plea to be allowed to seek asylum. That "clash" was EXACTLY what Trump wanted.

...especially right before a runoff election..... in a red state.... that's a little closer than anticipated.....