I don't have kids, but I can honestly say...
I have no problem with kids being at a show.
If I was a parent, I probably wouldn't bring my kids to a show not because I would be afraid for their safety or what they saw, but because it may hinder my chances of having a good time.
I hate having to keep track of the concert teeshirt I just bought let alone a small child...
As long as you keep them near you, hold they're hand, and don't let them out of your site. If something is wrong then just move over a little. If you tell the security guard about it and show him your little kid they'll let you move. Plus, how will Pearl Jam survive if young kids don't start listing to them. And about the staying up late have them take a nap before the show and they should be fine.
if u say this for europe shows where GA isnt so safe i would uderstand,,but in USA shows is a church..no pushing,everybody has their space,u go last minute,easy access to food ,toilet..even in Rotterdam in GA i was at 1st row,and a guy come to me and ask me if i can take his 10 years old boy in front of me cos he cant see..and all was ok,safe,the kid was in the barrier in front of me ..Ed smile to him and Mike point him and give him a pick
5:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTOSEf96kzo
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Why does EV continue to point out the wackos that bring small children (<10) to a Pearl Jam show?
He is definitely encouraging this reckless behavoir by pointing them out and then trying to throw them picks/tamborines (which encourages a stampede towards to kid).
I couldn't believe all of the very young children that were out in the middle of a tornado watch/thunderstorm in Noblesville. It was 50 degrees with roaring winds/rain. Things could have gotten pretty bad. The parking lot after the show was downright crazy dangerous, it was so dark I honestly don't know how there hasn't been a story on the pit yet about someone getting run over. During the show there was a passed out drunk directly behind me (on the ground passed out) and people smoking tons weed directly next to me; I am not saying this is wrong at a rock show but clearly not something anyone with a brain would want happening next to their five year old. Forget the little stuff: show over at mindnight, swearing, drinking, and general douchebaggery that occurs at a show.... just look at it from a safety standpoint. You people are nuts.
Obviously, there are alot of worst things you could do with your kids, but that doesn't mean it is a good idea to take your toddlers to an arena rock show.
Do have have children?
By far the biggest danger at a show is sound. Plug the kids ears and they will be fine.
I will bring my 2 sons when they hit 10, my choice.
But don't questions others, like people have stated so long as you keep and eye on the kid he will be fine. Any good parent would.
There isn't much that goes on a concert that doesn't happen in just about any city.
People passing out drunk and stoned is an excellent teaching moment. No need to shelter the kids.
When's the last time you read a report about a toddler being injured at a rock concert?
DP13 - I TOTALLY agree! My opinion: bringing small children to an arena rock concert, and exposing them to all that comes along with such an event, is bad parenting. It's not just about them getting injured in the crowd; children have much more sensitive hearing than adults, which can be seriously damaged at a show. Beyond that, you have the crowd issue, the drinking and, of course, the ever present weed smoke. You want your kids to listen tot PJ - play them the bootlegs. On the night of the show - get a babysitter!
I do not believe in bringing small children to a concert. Especially under (10) yrs of age. My kids love PJ music and I'm sure the band members love kids too - now that they are parents.
I've always had great people around me at a concert - but to have kids stand for 2 plus hours, the loud music (they need ear plugs ) and this time around at the Cleve concert - I had 2 guys who "smoked" non stop the entire time. No problem for me but not so good for kids. One of them got so drunk, of course he spilled his beer on me and on my jacket that was on the chair.
I'm not ready to have my kids exposed to this yet- maybe once they become teens.
By far the biggest danger at a show is sound. Plug the kids ears and they will be fine.
I will bring my 2 sons when they hit 10, my choice.
But don't questions others, like people have stated so long as you keep and eye on the kid he will be fine. Any good parent would.
There isn't much that goes on a concert that doesn't happen in just about any city.
People passing out drunk and stoned is an excellent teaching moment. No need to shelter the kids.
When's the last time you read a report about a toddler being injured at a rock concert?
Yes, I have a son. I think 13 is about as young as I would take him to a show like PJ.
I also forgot that a few years ago my wife who weighs about 100lbs soaking wet got absolutely knocked over and crushed by some moron who was trying to catch a drum stick from three rows up.
Again, my main point is why is Ed singling these kids out???
I agree - the lines to get in - the crowd - the sight lines - the washroom lines - getting home - all to much for tiny legs, ears and eyes
a band member's child sitting side stage for a song or two is not that same as a small child standing for such a long time probably staring at somebody's back or worse, ass
I have 4 kids and until they hit 12 or 12+ it was never even a consideration - once they were old enough their own tastes dictated who they wanted to go and see
Of course they were PJ fans when they were little - they heard it around the house all of the time
Lately (and some of this is driven from a conversation I overheard about somebody bringing their kid specifically to get pointed out end "get lots of stuff") I think people have been using kids as a bit of a prop
God love Ed for wanting their experience to be something they will remember for the rest of their lives but shame on some parents for not thinking through the whole experience through a child's eyes and ears
when mine were little of course they wanted to come to a show, no - time for that later, and if I couldn't get a sitter (tough with 4) then I would have to pass
Why does EV continue to point out the wackos that bring small children (<10) to a Pearl Jam show?
He is definitely encouraging this reckless behavoir by pointing them out and then trying to throw them picks/tamborines (which encourages a stampede towards to kid).
I couldn't believe all of the very young children that were out in the middle of a tornado watch/thunderstorm in Noblesville. It was 50 degrees with roaring winds/rain. Things could have gotten pretty bad. The parking lot after the show was downright crazy dangerous, it was so dark I honestly don't know how there hasn't been a story on the pit yet about someone getting run over. During the show there was a passed out drunk directly behind me (on the ground passed out) and people smoking tons weed directly next to me; I am not saying this is wrong at a rock show but clearly not something anyone with a brain would want happening next to their five year old. Forget the little stuff: show over at mindnight, swearing, drinking, and general douchebaggery that occurs at a show.... just look at it from a safety standpoint. You people are nuts.
Obviously, there are alot of worst things you could do with your kids, but that doesn't mean it is a good idea to take your toddlers to an arena rock show.
Do have have children?
By far the biggest danger at a show is sound. Plug the kids ears and they will be fine.
I will bring my 2 sons when they hit 10, my choice.
But don't questions others, like people have stated so long as you keep and eye on the kid he will be fine. Any good parent would.
There isn't much that goes on a concert that doesn't happen in just about any city.
People passing out drunk and stoned is an excellent teaching moment. No need to shelter the kids.
When's the last time you read a report about a toddler being injured at a rock concert?
People passing out drunk and stoned is an excellent teaching moment. No need to shelter the kids.
BINGO!!!
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if u say this for europe shows where GA isnt so safe i would uderstand,,but in USA shows is a church..no pushing,everybody has their space,u go last minute,easy access to food ,toilet..even in Rotterdam in GA i was at 1st row,and a guy come to me and ask me if i can take his 10 years old boy in front of me cos he cant see..and all was ok,safe,the kid was in the barrier in front of me ..Ed smile to him and Mike point him and give him a pick
5:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTOSEf96kzo
yes shows in america are like church with everyone singing along to pastor ed
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The parent knows what their child can handle ... if its going to be a fun parent/kid outing why not?
... and as for stampeding a kid who is thrown a pick ... shame on people who would try and take a pick from a kid (or anyone else if Ed has made clear who he wants to have it) :twisted:
My first gig was a GA rock show at 12 ... me and two friends (all girls) 3rd row while our parents waited outside in the parking lot
So are we strangers now? Like rock and roll and the radio?
if u say this for europe shows where GA isnt so safe i would uderstand,,but in USA shows is a church..no pushing,everybody has their space,u go last minute,easy access to food ,toilet..even in Rotterdam in GA i was at 1st row,and a guy come to me and ask me if i can take his 10 years old boy in front of me cos he cant see..and all was ok,safe,the kid was in the barrier in front of me ..Ed smile to him and Mike point him and give him a pick
5:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTOSEf96kzo
yes shows in america are like church with everyone singing along to pastor ed
praise ed
come on..its metaphorically speakin....whoohoo..im on fire..
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I went to a lot of festivals at 12 and 13, and my parents had nothing to do with it as I was usually high as a kite and probably lied about the whole gig in the first place (rotten little shit)
of course there are kids who are just loving every moment of the show - but there are a few parents out there who really need to check their motivation before they load jr up in the car seat
I went to a lot of festivals at 12 and 13, and my parents had nothing to do with it as I was usually high as a kite and probably lied about the whole gig in the first place (rotten little shit)
of course there are kids who are just loving every moment of the show - but there are a few parents out there who really need to check their motivation before they load jr up in the car seat
so now are a parent , u have 4 kids,for sure u know what kids u have and raise,and u are the one to tell when is time them to go to a concert..maybe this happen to other parents too,they know its time for their kids.and maybe is the ones u see in the shows
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
that's right - as a parent it is my role when they are young to know what experiences are age appropriate for them - otherwise one of my kids would be living on a submarine wearing a batman suit somewhere near the south pole
that's right - as a parent it is my role when they are young to know what experiences are age appropriate for them - otherwise one of my kids would be living on a submarine wearing a batman suit somewhere near the south pole
I guess your kids are smaller..if one was 12-13,and as a parent know him/her ..then u know if its ready for a show,no matter the age..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
dimitris don't get me wrong, I'm not saying kids shouldn't be at a show period - I'm questioning why some people are bringing their kids in the first place, of late, and if it's for the kid or is it for mom and dad, or maybe it's what mom and dad think the kid wants because they shook their pampers to evenflow - parenting is a lot of weighing out pros and cons and consequences and I personally heard somebody go on about Ed and getting stuff and getting herself up front somehow and quite frankly in some cases (not all cases) it's really not a fair decision
Mother of two boys here. We first took them to Mansfield 2 in 2008; they were nine and eleven at the time, and they had a blast. Yes, they wore earplugs. Yes, people were smoking -- although, as I have mentioned before, people around us were considerate enough to ask before lighting up (we did not hassle them). No, they were not "props;" we did not have 10C seats, and we were not close to the stage. On the way out, they got to see some drunk guys urinating on their cars in the parking lot; now they know that people do silly things when they are drunk.
We also took the boys to all four Philly shows, and they are going to Newark with us next week. We felt that they were ready to go to the concerts with us, and frankly the shows all have gone much better than I ever anticipated. My older son has special needs, and I never would have taken him when he was ten or younger, but he really has had a blast.
Having said all that, well, it is my opinion that taking an infant or a toddler to a concert is a very, very bad idea. Infants need to be fed and changed all the time, and they need to sleep. Toddlers do NOT want to be held or to be made to sit still for extended periods; they have just learned how to use their legs, and they want to get out there and explore.
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dimitris don't get me wrong, I'm not saying kids shouldn't be at a show period - I'm questioning why some people are bringing their kids in the first place, of late, and if it's for the kid or is it for mom and dad, or maybe it's what mom and dad think the kid wants because they shook their pampers to evenflow - parenting is a lot of weighing out pros and cons and consequences and I personally heard somebody go on about Ed and getting stuff and getting herself up front somehow and quite frankly in some cases (not all cases) it's really not a fair decision
im with u about parents use their kids..but u know i think most parents love their childs and know whats the best way to protect them..and i guess the most of parents take their kids to any kind of show,thery know that the time is right..im in general very protective to my people,and if i was a parent i would be very careful where i would take them with..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
More and more people are bringing their young kids (under 6... I've seen kids that are under 2 there more than a few times now) for props. They hold them up and rush the stage thinking EV will throw a tamborine/pick/whatever.
It's horrible... these kids look like they are bored or tired or whatever, and the parents wait until they can move up close and toss them on their shoulders.
If you think its fine -- its your kid so do what you will. But too many are bringing them to a bad environment when they're well under 10 with the hope they can get attention with them. And that's not everyone, but it getting more and more popular as it works for some people...
Most of the behavior at a rock show is no different than things that kids see at socially acceptable places to bring them. IE ball games,. local fairs etc. the only diff is the loud noise in my eyes .
also trying to keep them still for a couple + hours.
if you can protect their ears and keep them occupied i see no reason to not bring them.
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I think an arena show is always gonna be too much for a small child.
I could see maybe an outdoor show where the kiddies can be taken away from everybody out on the lawn.
Everything will be fine until it's not. It doesn't even take a drunk asshole or excited little kid for crazy shit to happen.
I agree that there are probably alot more people bringin kids b/c Ed points them out. Makes me wonder how many of the parents are the super freaky stalker fans.
We took my 11 year old step son to the 2009 Perth show and had him up on the rail infront of Jeff. We told him to tell security that he was 12 if asked (that was the min age for the Fixer GA area). We didn't expect him to tell Eddie he was 12 when Eddie singled him out and spoke to him and made a joke with him. The huge cheer he got from 30,000 fans when Eddie announced a 12 year old was right up the front will live with him (and us forever). He'll be by my side at the MSG2 show. Just try to stop him...
I think it is a matter of variables with kids. You need to be in a safe spot, you need to have good people around you and your kids has to want to be there. Luckily all those boxes were ticked for us and the show was awesome. We'd never have done it is he was much younger.
I never understood why people just don't get sitters? I mean you're spending all this money on tickets and merch, why not hire a fucking babysitter? I think people do it for the attention.. that's the only thing that makes sense..(older kids i can understand, you want them to be apart of something you love but .. wait til they are at the age of being capable of remembering the show!) I love the people who bring their young children to rock concerts and then complain about all the weed smoke blowing in their face...what boobs!
The only thing you should worry about is if the kid has proper ear protection.
The average PJ concert has thousands upon thousands of people in attendance. I have been to over 20 (but less than 40) Pearl Jam shows, and I have NEVER seen anyone pee, puke or even fall down. I've smelled weed but to be honest, some of my farts smell worse. :oops:
Speaking as a parent, it's all about the example you set for your kid, how you react in your environment and how much respect your kid has for you.
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Enjoy the show and let the parent worry about parenting. If they're not a good parent, it's none of your business. You can shape and form your own kids.... not others.
edit---if the kid is in obvious physical danger ie--no ear protection at a crazy-loud concert, you have every right to voice your opinion.
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I have no problem with kids being at a show.
If I was a parent, I probably wouldn't bring my kids to a show not because I would be afraid for their safety or what they saw, but because it may hinder my chances of having a good time.
I hate having to keep track of the concert teeshirt I just bought let alone a small child...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTOSEf96kzo
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Do have have children?
By far the biggest danger at a show is sound. Plug the kids ears and they will be fine.
I will bring my 2 sons when they hit 10, my choice.
But don't questions others, like people have stated so long as you keep and eye on the kid he will be fine. Any good parent would.
There isn't much that goes on a concert that doesn't happen in just about any city.
People passing out drunk and stoned is an excellent teaching moment. No need to shelter the kids.
When's the last time you read a report about a toddler being injured at a rock concert?
I've always had great people around me at a concert - but to have kids stand for 2 plus hours, the loud music (they need ear plugs ) and this time around at the Cleve concert - I had 2 guys who "smoked" non stop the entire time. No problem for me but not so good for kids. One of them got so drunk, of course he spilled his beer on me and on my jacket that was on the chair.
I'm not ready to have my kids exposed to this yet- maybe once they become teens.
Yes, I have a son. I think 13 is about as young as I would take him to a show like PJ.
I also forgot that a few years ago my wife who weighs about 100lbs soaking wet got absolutely knocked over and crushed by some moron who was trying to catch a drum stick from three rows up.
Again, my main point is why is Ed singling these kids out???
a band member's child sitting side stage for a song or two is not that same as a small child standing for such a long time probably staring at somebody's back or worse, ass
I have 4 kids and until they hit 12 or 12+ it was never even a consideration - once they were old enough their own tastes dictated who they wanted to go and see
Of course they were PJ fans when they were little - they heard it around the house all of the time
Lately (and some of this is driven from a conversation I overheard about somebody bringing their kid specifically to get pointed out end "get lots of stuff") I think people have been using kids as a bit of a prop
God love Ed for wanting their experience to be something they will remember for the rest of their lives but shame on some parents for not thinking through the whole experience through a child's eyes and ears
when mine were little of course they wanted to come to a show, no - time for that later, and if I couldn't get a sitter (tough with 4) then I would have to pass
haha - I think that would be more like kiddie beach ball than crowd surfing!
People passing out drunk and stoned is an excellent teaching moment. No need to shelter the kids.
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... and as for stampeding a kid who is thrown a pick ... shame on people who would try and take a pick from a kid (or anyone else if Ed has made clear who he wants to have it) :twisted:
My first gig was a GA rock show at 12 ... me and two friends (all girls) 3rd row while our parents waited outside in the parking lot
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
of course there are kids who are just loving every moment of the show - but there are a few parents out there who really need to check their motivation before they load jr up in the car seat
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
We also took the boys to all four Philly shows, and they are going to Newark with us next week. We felt that they were ready to go to the concerts with us, and frankly the shows all have gone much better than I ever anticipated. My older son has special needs, and I never would have taken him when he was ten or younger, but he really has had a blast.
Having said all that, well, it is my opinion that taking an infant or a toddler to a concert is a very, very bad idea. Infants need to be fed and changed all the time, and they need to sleep. Toddlers do NOT want to be held or to be made to sit still for extended periods; they have just learned how to use their legs, and they want to get out there and explore.
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It's horrible... these kids look like they are bored or tired or whatever, and the parents wait until they can move up close and toss them on their shoulders.
If you think its fine -- its your kid so do what you will. But too many are bringing them to a bad environment when they're well under 10 with the hope they can get attention with them. And that's not everyone, but it getting more and more popular as it works for some people...
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also trying to keep them still for a couple + hours.
if you can protect their ears and keep them occupied i see no reason to not bring them.
I could see maybe an outdoor show where the kiddies can be taken away from everybody out on the lawn.
Everything will be fine until it's not. It doesn't even take a drunk asshole or excited little kid for crazy shit to happen.
I agree that there are probably alot more people bringin kids b/c Ed points them out. Makes me wonder how many of the parents are the super freaky stalker fans.
Here is his moment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHd0tb2qRr4
Skip to 3:45
I think it is a matter of variables with kids. You need to be in a safe spot, you need to have good people around you and your kids has to want to be there. Luckily all those boxes were ticked for us and the show was awesome. We'd never have done it is he was much younger.
The average PJ concert has thousands upon thousands of people in attendance. I have been to over 20 (but less than 40) Pearl Jam shows, and I have NEVER seen anyone pee, puke or even fall down. I've smelled weed but to be honest, some of my farts smell worse. :oops:
Speaking as a parent, it's all about the example you set for your kid, how you react in your environment and how much respect your kid has for you.
Diversity
> The Spice Of Life
Enjoy the show and let the parent worry about parenting. If they're not a good parent, it's none of your business. You can shape and form your own kids.... not others.
edit---if the kid is in obvious physical danger ie--no ear protection at a crazy-loud concert, you have every right to voice your opinion.