16yrl GIRL went around the world in a small boat.

eyedclaar

LikeAnOcean wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Certainly.. but where would you personally draw the line?


We certainly all die, and your chances of surviving your trip will be quite high, but everyone has a limit, when the chances of survival reach a certain level..

Actually, when you consider the odds and statistics, I would be putting myself in much more peril by visiting say New York for the weekend. Interesting how these perceptions about wilderness and wild animals even still exist. Of course, I go out of my way to play up the danger, mostly just to keep others out. People are terrified of wolves. Wolves won't bother people at all. People love dogs. Dogs kill and maim people every day. Go figure.

The wildlife is not what would worry me. Getting lost or injured is what I'd be more concerned about.

I shouldn't make it sound like there are no concerns, because you're right, there are. Far more people die of exposure and falls than anything else. I'm just pretty damn comfortable and trained in outdoor survival, so it doesn't worry me too much.

polaris_x

eyedclaar wrote:

Yes, yes you should. Say, where in Kanada should I backpack considering I like to wrestle big scary animals? Or at least look at them from a somewhat safe distance...

definitely the tombstones ... take a trip up the dempster towards the arctic circle and hike all throughout the tombstones and ogilvies ... expansive rolling tundra ... northern lights at night ... good chance of seeing grizzlies, black bears and caribou ...

spend a day or two in dawson city and drink booze with an appendage in it

then make the long trip to denali in alaska ...

polaris_x

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Certainly.. but where would you personally draw the line?


Spend a year in the wilderness?

Climb Everest?

Sail the world by yourself?

Sky diving without a parachute?


We certainly all die, and your chances of surviving your trip will be quite high, but everyone has a limit, when the chances of survival reach a certain level..

i would never climb everest ... nature to me is not meant to be conquered ... it is about connecting with it and experiencing it's beauty ... climbinb everest to me are for ego-driven adrenaline types ...

seeing the garbage and the fact that people are often left for dead shows me many of these people are only interested in fulfilling their own egos ... and the reality is that weather determines whether one makes it to the summit and back ... not technical skill or expertise ...

eyedclaar

polaris_x wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

Yes, yes you should. Say, where in Kanada should I backpack considering I like to wrestle big scary animals? Or at least look at them from a somewhat safe distance...

definitely the tombstones ... take a trip up the dempster towards the arctic circle and hike all throughout the tombstones and ogilvies ... expansive rolling tundra ... northern lights at night ... good chance of seeing grizzlies, black bears and caribou ...

spend a day or two in dawson city and drink booze with an appendage in it

then make the long trip to denali in alaska ...

I'll do some research, thanks. I have been to Denali. My brother lives in Fairbanks. I must of had bad timing or something, because I am a wildlife spotting machine, and during my whole week in Alaska, including Denali, I saw one moose. I see more wildlife on my bike ride to work in Boise, than I saw the entire freakin' trip in Alaska.

eyedclaar

polaris_x wrote:

i would never climb everest ... nature to me is not meant to be conquered ... it is about connecting with it and experiencing it's beauty ... climbinb everest to me are for ego-driven adrenaline types ...

seeing the garbage and the fact that people are often left for dead shows me many of these people are only interested in fulfilling their own egos ... and the reality is that weather determines whether one makes it to the summit and back ... not technical skill or expertise ...

We totally agree on this. I have no interest in "conquering" the highest peaks in the world. We are not at war with nature. Quite the opposite.

Anon

LikeAnOcean wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Certainly.. but where would you personally draw the line?


We certainly all die, and your chances of surviving your trip will be quite high, but everyone has a limit, when the chances of survival reach a certain level..

Actually, when you consider the odds and statistics, I would be putting myself in much more peril by visiting say New York for the weekend. Interesting how these perceptions about wilderness and wild animals even still exist. Of course, I go out of my way to play up the danger, mostly just to keep others out. People are terrified of wolves. Wolves won't bother people at all. People love dogs. Dogs kill and maim people every day. Go figure.

The wildlife is not what would worry me. Getting lost or injured is what I'd be more concerned about.

Don't you have to pee on the ground and stuff? THAT is my concern...

Gary Carter

eyedclaar wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Certainly.. but where would you personally draw the line?


We certainly all die, and your chances of surviving your trip will be quite high, but everyone has a limit, when the chances of survival reach a certain level..

Actually, when you consider the odds and statistics, I would be putting myself in much more peril by visiting say New York for the weekend. Interesting how these perceptions about wilderness and wild animals even still exist. Of course, I go out of my way to play up the danger, mostly just to keep others out. People are terrified of wolves. Wolves won't bother people at all. People love dogs. Dogs kill and maim people every day. Go figure.

have you ever been to ny. ny is one of the safest cities in the world. its just like any other city. if you go looking for trouble you will get whats coming to you. i walk around the city drunk off my ass all the time and have never been once mugged or knifed.

LikeAnOcean

metsfan wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Certainly.. but where would you personally draw the line?


We certainly all die, and your chances of surviving your trip will be quite high, but everyone has a limit, when the chances of survival reach a certain level..

Actually, when you consider the odds and statistics, I would be putting myself in much more peril by visiting say New York for the weekend. Interesting how these perceptions about wilderness and wild animals even still exist. Of course, I go out of my way to play up the danger, mostly just to keep others out. People are terrified of wolves. Wolves won't bother people at all. People love dogs. Dogs kill and maim people every day. Go figure.

have you ever been to ny. ny is one of the safest cities in the world. its just like any other city. if you go looking for trouble you will get whats coming to you. i walk around the city drunk off my ass all the time and have never been once mugged or knifed.

That's the best part of living in or near a big city! Walking around it drunk off your ass!

eyedclaar

metsfan wrote:

have you ever been to ny. ny is one of the safest cities in the world. its just like any other city. if you go looking for trouble you will get whats coming to you. i walk around the city drunk off my ass all the time and have never been once mugged or knifed.

Actually, no I haven't, but I think you are missing the point. I'm sure you realize that people do get murdered, raped, and beaten every day in all the major u.s. cities. The point is, living amongst a ton of humans is exponentially more dangerous than backpacking amongt the most viscious predators our country has to offer. It isn't even close.

Gary Carter

eyedclaar wrote:

metsfan wrote:

have you ever been to ny. ny is one of the safest cities in the world. its just like any other city. if you go looking for trouble you will get whats coming to you. i walk around the city drunk off my ass all the time and have never been once mugged or knifed.

Actually, no I haven't, but I think you are missing the point. I'm sure you realize that people do get murdered, raped, and beaten every day in all the major u.s. cities. The point is, living amongst a ton of humans is exponentially more dangerous than backpacking amongt the most viscious predators our country has to offer. It isn't even close.

i totally disagree with that. so you can outrun a grizzly bear or a lion or a pack of wolves. you must have usain bolt speed then. :roll:

eyedclaar

metsfan wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

metsfan wrote:

have you ever been to ny. ny is one of the safest cities in the world. its just like any other city. if you go looking for trouble you will get whats coming to you. i walk around the city drunk off my ass all the time and have never been once mugged or knifed.

Actually, no I haven't, but I think you are missing the point. I'm sure you realize that people do get murdered, raped, and beaten every day in all the major u.s. cities. The point is, living amongst a ton of humans is exponentially more dangerous than backpacking amongt the most viscious predators our country has to offer. It isn't even close.

i totally disagree with that. you can ignore them but can you ignore a pack of wolves that have you surrounded. so you can outrun a grizzly bear or a lion or a pack of wolves. you must have usain bolt speed then. :roll:

Bullets are much faster than any animal. You have to be denser than a dinosaur's mattress to not understand what I am saying. Go do a google search on murder rates in new york and then go compare that to the number of people killed by animals, or for any reason, in all of our national parks combined.

LikeAnOcean

eyedclaar wrote:

Bullets are much faster than any animal. You have to be denser than a dinosaur's mattress to not understand what I am saying. Go do a google search on murder rates in new york and then go compare that to the number of people killed by animals in all of our national parks combined.

You have to factor in also that there aren't 8 million people living in our national parks, day to day.

Walking through the city is perfectly safe.. there's actually more crime in the suburbs.

eyedclaar

LikeAnOcean wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

Bullets are much faster than any animal. You have to be denser than a dinosaur's mattress to not understand what I am saying. Go do a google search on murder rates in new york and then go compare that to the number of people killed by animals in all of our national parks combined.

You have to factor in also that there aren't 8 million people living in our national parks, day to day.

No shit. Also the point.

Gary Carter

eyedclaar wrote:

Bullets are much faster than any animal. You have to be denser than a dinosaur's mattress to not understand what I am saying. Go do a google search on murder rates in new york and then go compare that to the number of people killed by animals, or for any reason, in all of our national parks combined.

i just think you have this fear ny is some big bad city where tourist get mugged. you can deny that all you want but that's what i take from you.

eyedclaar

metsfan wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

Bullets are much faster than any animal. You have to be denser than a dinosaur's mattress to not understand what I am saying. Go do a google search on murder rates in new york and then go compare that to the number of people killed by animals, or for any reason, in all of our national parks combined.

i just think you have this fear ny is some big bad city where tourist get mugged. you can deny that all you want but that's what i take from you.

Is there someone paying attention that can explain this to metsfan? I never said that at all. I don't worry about anyone mugging me ever. I would worry for the mugger even trying it. I'm saying, where there are tons of people there is a hell of a lot more potential for violence than anything I need to worry about in a national park. This isn't exactly rocket surgery.

LikeAnOcean

eyedclaar wrote:

metsfan wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

Bullets are much faster than any animal. You have to be denser than a dinosaur's mattress to not understand what I am saying. Go do a google search on murder rates in new york and then go compare that to the number of people killed by animals, or for any reason, in all of our national parks combined.

i just think you have this fear ny is some big bad city where tourist get mugged. you can deny that all you want but that's what i take from you.

Is there someone paying attention that can explain this to metsfan? I never said that at all. I don't worry about anyone mugging me ever. I would worry for the mugger even trying it. I'm saying, where there are tons of people there is a hell of a lot more potential for violence than anything I need to worry about in a national park. This isn't exactly rocket surgery.

There's also, food, water, shelter every few feet in the city. Don't forget that!

I'm sure you're right about nature and statistics. It depends on the specific scenario one puts themself in though. Go into anything unprepared and you're bound to find trouble.

Gary Carter

eyedclaar wrote:

metsfan wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

Bullets are much faster than any animal. You have to be denser than a dinosaur's mattress to not understand what I am saying. Go do a google search on murder rates in new york and then go compare that to the number of people killed by animals, or for any reason, in all of our national parks combined.

i just think you have this fear ny is some big bad city where tourist get mugged. you can deny that all you want but that's what i take from you.

Is there someone paying attention that can explain this to metsfan? I never said that at all. I don't worry about anyone mugging me ever. I would worry for the mugger even trying it. I'm saying, where there are tons of people there is a hell of a lot more potential for violence than anything I need to worry about in a national park. This isn't exactly rocket surgery.

nyc was the safest biggest city in 2009. wow that must be shocking to you huh.


so you've called me dense and now you've assumed i'm stupid. wow great job with the name calling :thumbup: :thumbup:

LikeAnOcean

metsfan wrote:

nyc was the safest biggest city in 2009. wow that must be shocking to you huh.

That statistic doesn't really help your battle here metsfan.. doesn't mean other cities aren't warzones. You have to compare it to nature, not other cities.

Gary Carter

LikeAnOcean wrote:

metsfan wrote:

nyc was the safest biggest city in 2009. wow that must be shocking to you huh.

That statistic doesn't really help your battle here metsfan.. doesn't mean other cities aren't warzones. You have to compare it to nature, not other cities.

oh it does cause this nature lover thinks nyc is some kinda dangerous place. i'd much rather live around 8 million people then live with animals who can kill you at a minutes notice.

LikeAnOcean

metsfan wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

metsfan wrote:

nyc was the safest biggest city in 2009. wow that must be shocking to you huh.

That statistic doesn't really help your battle here metsfan.. doesn't mean other cities aren't warzones. You have to compare it to nature, not other cities.

oh it does cause this nature lover thinks nyc is some kinda dangerous place. i'd much rather live around 8 million people then live with animals who can kill you at a minutes notice.

My grandma lived in a city her whole life.. visited Yellowstone once and was eaten by a bear. True story.




Statistically people are probably more likely to get killed by a person than a bear, but yes, cities are much safer than people make them out to be..