Another factor in the 10club ticketing is if the venue is an arena or an amphitheater. My seats have always been pushed further back if the show is at an outdoor venue. For example I had 4th row for columbus and
11th row for Indy. I think this is because typically the orchestra pit section at an amphitheater has much shorter rows (maybe 12-20 seats) where as at an arena there are usually 40+ seats in each row including the front. Also, a lot of the amphitheaters have season ticket holders who may be filling up some of the better seats.
4/22/92 St. Petersburg, 8/23/92 Orlando, 3/29/94 St. Petersburg, 10/7/96 Ft. Lauderdale, 9/8/98 East Rutherford, 9/22/98 West Palm Beach, 9/23/98 West Palm Beach, 8/9/00 West Palm Beach, 8/10/00 West Palm Beach, 8/12/00 Tampa, 4/11/03 West Palm Beach, 4/13/03 Tampa, 6/2/03 Irvine, 6/3/03 Irvine, 9/28/04 Boston, 9/29/04 Boston, 9/1/05 George WA, 9/11/05 Kitchener, 9/12/05 London, 9/13/05 Hamilton, 10/03/05 Philadelphia, 5/16/06 Chicago, 5/17/06 Chicago, 6/23/06 Pittsburgh, 6/24/06 Cincinnati, 6/11/08, West Palm Beach, 6/12/08 Tampa, 6/19/08 Camden, 6/20/08 Camden, 8/23/09 Chicago, 8/24/09 Chicago, 10/27/09 Philadelphia, 10/28/09 Philadelphia, 10/30/09 Philadelphia, 10/31/09 Philadelphia, 5/18/10 New Jersey, 5/20/10 New York, 5/21/10 New York, 9/3/11 East Troy, 9/4/11 East Troy, 9/11/11 Toronto, 9/12/11 Toronto, 9/02/12 Philadelphia, 9/21/12 Pensacola, 7/19/13 Chicago, 10/18/13 Brooklyn, 10/19/13 Brooklyn, 11/23/13 LA, 10/24/13 LA, 11/16/13 Oklahoma City, 10/1/14 Cincinnati, 10/20/14 Milwaukee, 10/22/14 Denver, 4/8/16 Ft. Lauderdale, 4/9/16 Miami, 4/11/16 Tampa, 5/1/16 New York, 5/2/16 New York, 8/5/16 Boston, 8/7/16 Boston, 8/20/16 Chicago, 8/22/16 Chicago, 4/07/17 New York, 8/08/18 Seattle, 8/10/18 Seattle, 8/20/18 Chicago 9/02/18 Boston, 9/04/18 Boston, 9/11/22 New York, 9/16/22 Nashville, 9/22/22 Denver, 8/31/23, St. Paul, 9/2/23 St. Paul, 9/18/23 Austin, 9/19/23 Austin
Another factor in the 10club ticketing is if the venue is an arena or an amphitheater. My seats have always been pushed further back if the show is at an outdoor venue. For example I had 4th row for columbus and
11th row for Indy. I think this is because typically the orchestra pit section at an amphitheater has much shorter rows (maybe 12-20 seats) where as at an arena there are usually 40+ seats in each row including the front. Also, a lot of the amphitheaters have season ticket holders who may be filling up some of the better seats.
Remember, Indy really started their rows with Row E. They do not have rows A-D.
Yes since 2008 people have been moved back even at the MSG shows. Problem is the band show stop catering to those people in the city putting a few seats aside for them on the floor and instead just the lower level side. Yeah they do both but cater all of them to the side of the stage on the lower level. My 10C tickets for the Philly shows night 2 and 3 were the middle section of the floor. Night 4 Halloween I was one of the last rows near the soundboard. Preferred a lower level ticket than a crappy all the way in the back of the floor ticket. 10C should sell tickets in blocks based on your membership number and have a free for all for tickets with a unique password for the first 300xxx members and everyone that joined around of after the 2003 tour should have their own presale. The people in the 400xxx memberships are hitting the lottery every time.
Yes since 2008 people have been moved back even at the MSG shows. Problem is the band show stop catering to those people in the city putting a few seats aside for them on the floor and instead just the lower level side. Yeah they do both but cater all of them to the side of the stage on the lower level. My 10C tickets for the Philly shows night 2 and 3 were the middle section of the floor. Night 4 Halloween I was one of the last rows near the soundboard. Preferred a lower level ticket than a crappy all the way in the back of the floor ticket. 10C should sell tickets in blocks based on your membership number and have a free for all for tickets with a unique password for the first 300xxx members and everyone that joined around of after the 2003 tour should have their own presale. The people in the 400xxx memberships are hitting the lottery every time.
No way. I'm fine with the lottery, and I was affected by it for the full 4 rows at each show. Maybe they can make it rows 11-12 and then I wouldn't be affected as much I also haven't won the lottery.
Another factor in the 10club ticketing is if the venue is an arena or an amphitheater. My seats have always been pushed further back if the show is at an outdoor venue. For example I had 4th row for columbus and
11th row for Indy. I think this is because typically the orchestra pit section at an amphitheater has much shorter rows (maybe 12-20 seats) where as at an arena there are usually 40+ seats in each row including the front. Also, a lot of the amphitheaters have season ticket holders who may be filling up some of the better seats.
Remember, Indy really started their rows with Row E. They do not have rows A-D.
I didn't really notice exactly how the rows were numbered at the PJ show but according to the venue seating chart row E starts the seating for the main section. In front of that is the orchestra pit that has rows 1and 2
followed by rows A-D.
4/22/92 St. Petersburg, 8/23/92 Orlando, 3/29/94 St. Petersburg, 10/7/96 Ft. Lauderdale, 9/8/98 East Rutherford, 9/22/98 West Palm Beach, 9/23/98 West Palm Beach, 8/9/00 West Palm Beach, 8/10/00 West Palm Beach, 8/12/00 Tampa, 4/11/03 West Palm Beach, 4/13/03 Tampa, 6/2/03 Irvine, 6/3/03 Irvine, 9/28/04 Boston, 9/29/04 Boston, 9/1/05 George WA, 9/11/05 Kitchener, 9/12/05 London, 9/13/05 Hamilton, 10/03/05 Philadelphia, 5/16/06 Chicago, 5/17/06 Chicago, 6/23/06 Pittsburgh, 6/24/06 Cincinnati, 6/11/08, West Palm Beach, 6/12/08 Tampa, 6/19/08 Camden, 6/20/08 Camden, 8/23/09 Chicago, 8/24/09 Chicago, 10/27/09 Philadelphia, 10/28/09 Philadelphia, 10/30/09 Philadelphia, 10/31/09 Philadelphia, 5/18/10 New Jersey, 5/20/10 New York, 5/21/10 New York, 9/3/11 East Troy, 9/4/11 East Troy, 9/11/11 Toronto, 9/12/11 Toronto, 9/02/12 Philadelphia, 9/21/12 Pensacola, 7/19/13 Chicago, 10/18/13 Brooklyn, 10/19/13 Brooklyn, 11/23/13 LA, 10/24/13 LA, 11/16/13 Oklahoma City, 10/1/14 Cincinnati, 10/20/14 Milwaukee, 10/22/14 Denver, 4/8/16 Ft. Lauderdale, 4/9/16 Miami, 4/11/16 Tampa, 5/1/16 New York, 5/2/16 New York, 8/5/16 Boston, 8/7/16 Boston, 8/20/16 Chicago, 8/22/16 Chicago, 4/07/17 New York, 8/08/18 Seattle, 8/10/18 Seattle, 8/20/18 Chicago 9/02/18 Boston, 9/04/18 Boston, 9/11/22 New York, 9/16/22 Nashville, 9/22/22 Denver, 8/31/23, St. Paul, 9/2/23 St. Paul, 9/18/23 Austin, 9/19/23 Austin
Dude, why are you hi-jacking the thread? I know you're well loved on the pit and
it could be well deserved but posting what's either mindless drivel
or an inside joke that only a few people get sort of lowers your cred a bit.
Dude, why are you hi-jacking the thread? I know you're well loved on the pit and
it could be well deserved but posting what's either mindless drivel
or an inside joke that only a few people get sort of lowers your cred a bit.
i dont hi-jacking anything..My post has to do with the way Kat locked a previous post about complains
She post ibtl and wrote Bazinga..So instead of posting ibtl ,cos i think this will happen as all the previous threads. people will start calling names and be mean,i post bazinga video..
This is my way to disagree with OP..i respect people complains about anything couse their opinion must be heard..as mine..And mine is that video.Like it or not,u should respect it..No matter love me, hate me,i come here on 92 or yesterday
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I think Kat locks threads based on civil disobedience relative to the posting guidelines rather than choice of topic. Of course if the topic isn't PJ related or is discriminatory or isn't all-ages in a relative sense, I suppose it goes. I remember during 2003, there were great debates over seating, block distribution, and the like, and as long as the guidelines were followed, the threads lived long lives. As long as people keep from blowing gaskets. I think seating is a great topic. I think a lot of people's ideas have made their ways in to current 10c seating policies.
Up here so high I start to shake, Up here so high the sky I scrape, I've no fear but for falling down, So look out below I am falling now, Falling down,...not staying down, Could’ve held me up, rather tear me down, Drown in the river
Dude, why are you hi-jacking the thread? I know you're well loved on the pit and
it could be well deserved but posting what's either mindless drivel
or an inside joke that only a few people get sort of lowers your cred a bit.
i dont hi-jacking anything..My post has to do with the way Kat locked a previous post about complains
She post ibtl and wrote Bazinga..So instead of posting ibtl ,cos i think this will happen as all the previous threads. people will start calling names and be mean,i post bazinga video..
This is my way to disagree with OP..i respect people complains about anything couse their opinion must be heard..as mine..And mine is that video.Like it or not,u should respect it..No matter love me, hate me,i come here on 92 or yesterday
I know you like to play it that your English ain't so great - I suspect otherwise - but I (the OP) wasn't complaining at all. I'm just curious why, after 8 years, my seats have gotten worse instead of better. If you want to post nonsense that doesn't have anything to do with the topic, that's your business, but if you are trying to call someone out on something, just do it rather than post some stupid video.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I miss the blocking - it was my chance for a better seat - and I loved the 10 club lines for some reason - got to meet a lot of people over a few hours and swap stories - but I guess it was hard on the 10c staff and the venue and they have been trying different things
as an observation it looks like, if you're number would put you let's say 14th or 15th row with the lottery seating in place then they will move you to the first side sections - which is actually great seating - and therefore you will see people with a higher number on the floor in the rows further back
as for the lottery at least I know people in my number range are actually in it - but they are winning back their old seating which is kind of funny but at least I know I may at one point move back up a little closer
as you know the floor is all about who is in front of you and damn if pearl jam fans don't eat their wheaties
and I don't think there should be a problem with bringing up these observations, after amany years on the board I've seen what a nasty post is and this isn't one - this way when somebody number 150,000 picks up their ticket and they're not on the floor they're not going to have the WTF is going attitude that about 100 of us had in Cleveland - they're going to see how things have changed a bit
we're sharing our thoughts in a constructive way because there has been a bit of an "out with the old and in with the new" vibe amongst the fans but I think it's just getting used to this change and realizing that they still love us all
1. i would say that no one sub 150 is letting their membership lapse ...
2. as was alluded to before - with smaller tours ... the choice of shows are limiting - so you are competing with more fan club members in general ... many of which will have better numbers than you ...
3. add the lottery and you're probably gonna be back some ...
And in 2008 the lottery began so everyone moved back 4 rows
2003 tour was seniority based also. So was 2000.
Yes seniority based, but handed out in blocks, so for example the person with 10c number 1 would have gotten anywhere from row 1 through row 5 depending on what time they showed up.
And in 2008 the lottery began so everyone moved back 4 rows
I remember the MSG shows of 03' were done differently. I know the Uniondale show I went to was done by blocks and what time you picked up your tix.. But the MSG shows they actually gave me my tix for both nights on the first night.
I know you like to play it that your English ain't so great - I suspect otherwise - but I (the OP) wasn't complaining at all. I'm just curious why, after 8 years, my seats have gotten worse instead of better. If you want to post nonsense that doesn't have anything to do with the topic, that's your business, but if you are trying to call someone out on something, just do it rather than post some stupid video.
your seat are worst couse more 10c member with lower number of yours buy tickets for the show..i hope u understand that....sorry but personal comments,attacking,insolting .. i dont do..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
It's the downfall of small tours. Every member who is in a city with no show are trying to get into your city. I would imagine for msg it may be at least a 7-10 row difference for you from what you are used to. Maybe even more. It was that way for me at the final Spectrum show. I am usually right around row 11 or 12 and ended up in the wings about 10 rows up for that show. I loved those seats though. Great view, especially for me since I am short. : )
I've been a member since either 2001 or 2002. I went to my first show on 10C seats in 2003. Seats were on the side in the 5th row up. Member number is 254xxx. Since then, I've kept my membership current continually and been to 4 other shows.
Now you would think that you would slowly get better seats as members ahead of you let theirs lapse or whatever, but those seats to the first show were the best ones I've had.
I'll throw out the VFC show seats because I know that was a different process, but I've been to 2 other arena shows. At the first, I was halfway up the side (lower arena) and the second I was at the top of the side (lower arena).
I'm not complaining, but I'm just curious as to why my seats don't slowly improve?
I guess the lottery is an explanation, but since my number is 254xxx it shouldn't have a 100% impact.
mine did. Especially after the 2000 tour, when they lifted the restriction of one show. I suppose now, PJ's tours are small, so the fans have to travel if they want to see them, which reduces the ability to ditribute the 10c members among more shows.
I also don't think that many people with numbers under 200k let their memberships lapse. With the senority thing, there's a big incentive not too. It's something you can't get back. I've had the feeling, that membership turnover in the lower #'s has creeped to a standstill since senority was introduced.
I have been to 10 shows total, 7 with the 10 Club. I was on the floor for every show except MSG 03 (obviously) but I just went to 2 shows with 10 Club seats (Columbus and Cleveland) and both shows I was side stage on Stone's side, 10th row and 6th row. While my seats might have techincally gotten worse, I am not complaining one bit. I am a short dude, and those were great seats. If I don't win the lottery and get row 1-2, I would be happy to sit side stage at every show.
words seem so out of place.
8.21.00 Columbus | 6.24.03 Columbus | 7.9.03 NYC | 10.2.04 Toledo | 9.11.05 Kitchener | 5.20.06 Cleveland | 8.5.07 Chicago | 5.6.10 Columbus | 5.7.10 Noblesville | 5.9.10 Cleveland | 9.3.11 East Troy | 9.4.11 East Troy | 7.19.13 Chicago | 10.11.13 Pittsburgh | 10.1.14 Cincinnati | 4.8.16 Ft. Lauderdale | 4.9.16 Miami | 8.8.18 Seattle | 8.10.18 Seattle | 9.26.21 Dana Point | 10.1.21 Dana Point | 10.2.21 Dana Point | 9.16.22 Nashville | 9.17.22 Louisville | 9.18.22 St. Louis | 9.2.23 St. Paul | 9.15.23 Ft. Worth 6.26.11 Detroit (EdVed) | 9.23.17 Louisville (EdVed) | 9.25.21 Dana Point (EdVed) | 10.01.22 Dana Point (EdVed) | 2.6.22 Newark (EdVed)
I miss the blocking - it was my chance for a better seat - and I loved the 10 club lines for some reason - got to meet a lot of people over a few hours and swap stories - but I guess it was hard on the 10c staff and the venue and they have been trying different things
Oh God, please, NO. If you're not a member of the 9.7% unemployment rate, oftentimes you have to work, and then run, fight traffic, etc. I don't find standing in lines fun. The thing I particularly didn't like in 2003 is the fact that 10c said in their announcements that seating was specific assignments based on seniority and the arrival time at the venue didn't impact your seat location. But what actually happened was different. It was the blocks. That created great debates in this board which almost crashed it several times. This is yet another instance where I can say 10c listened and acted. Thank you 10c. Wouldn't you rather pick up your 10c tickets and then go to a pre-party rather than stand in some F-k'd up line for hours? I hate lines. The thought of going to places like Disneyland, Magic Mountain, Universal Studios, etc., give me the hives.
Up here so high I start to shake, Up here so high the sky I scrape, I've no fear but for falling down, So look out below I am falling now, Falling down,...not staying down, Could’ve held me up, rather tear me down, Drown in the river
1. You are allowed to go to as many shows as you want, using 10club seats (wasnt like this in the early days)
2. People going to more shows (early members are no longer kids, and can afford to travel for shows)
Not to hard to figure out...Right???
More members going to more shows.....
Your seats are further back.....
Right???
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
mine have actually gotten better over the years, except for that damn grand rapids show...but then again, i haven't been to a show since 2006, so who knows
1. You are allowed to go to as many shows as you want, using 10club seats (wasnt like this in the early days)
2. People going to more shows (early members are no longer kids, and can afford to travel for shows)
Not to hard to figure out...Right???
More members going to more shows.....
Your seats are further back.....
Right???
dont be this bad person Speedy who tells the truth,,they dont want to get it..
if someone has a strong case he will go and complain directly 10c..now he comes in ther forum ,he knows will find some more complainers for please himself..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Mine have gotten slightly better or stayed about the same since 2003 when I first got 10C tickets. Joined in 2000 and am 229xxx. Can't complain about tickets at all. Got great tickets in Buffalo this year...9 rows back first section sidestage.
I've been a member since either 2001 or 2002. I went to my first show on 10C seats in 2003. Seats were on the side in the 5th row up. Member number is 254xxx. Since then, I've kept my membership current continually and been to 4 other shows.
Now you would think that you would slowly get better seats as members ahead of you let theirs lapse or whatever, but those seats to the first show were the best ones I've had.
I'll throw out the VFC show seats because I know that was a different process, but I've been to 2 other arena shows. At the first, I was halfway up the side (lower arena) and the second I was at the top of the side (lower arena).
I'm not complaining, but I'm just curious as to why my seats don't slowly improve?
I guess the lottery is an explanation, but since my number is 254xxx it shouldn't have a 100% impact.
My seats seem to have gotten further and further back too. Which is hard to explain really except for the lottery.
However, I did win the lottery in Cleveland and was in row ten instead of further back.
that's great! I've known quite a few people who have won the lottery
and I haven't seen anybody complaining here - just some people who can't discern the difference between an observation and a complaint thinking they're wrapping it all up with a smug one-shot
agreeing to disagree and seeing the other side promotes great discussion - thinking you've summed it all up in one answer just shows your ability to communicate
There are a lot of threads here that are complaining. This isn't one ofthem. A simple observation was pointed out and people are commenting on it. No one is complaining that their seats are worse. We're just wondering why it isn't as consistent to very recent years past.
1. You are allowed to go to as many shows as you want, using 10club seats (wasnt like this in the early days)
2. People going to more shows (early members are no longer kids, and can afford to travel for shows)
Not to hard to figure out...Right???
More members going to more shows.....
Your seats are further back.....
Right???
dont be this bad person Speedy who tells the truth,,they dont want to get it..
if someone has a strong case he will go and complain directly 10c..now he comes in ther forum ,he knows will find some more complainers for please himself..
Ive only had bad seats once for a Pearl Jam show. Well atleast through ten club. I've been in the ten club for about five years now and they have just gotten better and better. I just saw them in Columbus roughly 15th row. It was awesome. Great show.
Shows:
San Diego 2003
Grand Rapids 2004
Grand Rapids 2006
Detroit 2006
Columbus 2010
Wouldn't you rather pick up your 10c tickets and then go to a pre-party rather than stand in some F-k'd up line for hours? I hate lines. The thought of going to places like Disneyland, Magic Mountain, Universal Studios, etc., give me the hives.
well ... the reality is that YOU can pick up your tickets and go to the pre-party or wherever ... the only thing blocks did was put you in a range based on seniority rather than a specific seat ... but i hear your point ... it does favour those who don't have to work or have the time to line up before the ticket window opened ... my most recent experiences have been great ... show up 10 mins before a possible pre-set and get my tickets ... enter venue ...
my number is 198xxx, i'm usually side stage (stone's side) basically in line with row 10-15 or so but a couple rows off the floor, so no complaints here. the only recent show that was different was MSG 2 in 2008 when i was about row 30 on the floor. it was cool to be on the floor, but i like my side stage seats. still wating for a lottery win!
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11th row for Indy. I think this is because typically the orchestra pit section at an amphitheater has much shorter rows (maybe 12-20 seats) where as at an arena there are usually 40+ seats in each row including the front. Also, a lot of the amphitheaters have season ticket holders who may be filling up some of the better seats.
9/02/18 Boston, 9/04/18 Boston, 9/11/22 New York, 9/16/22 Nashville, 9/22/22 Denver, 8/31/23, St. Paul, 9/2/23 St. Paul, 9/18/23 Austin, 9/19/23 Austin
Remember, Indy really started their rows with Row E. They do not have rows A-D.
No way. I'm fine with the lottery, and I was affected by it for the full 4 rows at each show. Maybe they can make it rows 11-12 and then I wouldn't be affected as much
I didn't really notice exactly how the rows were numbered at the PJ show but according to the venue seating chart row E starts the seating for the main section. In front of that is the orchestra pit that has rows 1and 2
followed by rows A-D.
9/02/18 Boston, 9/04/18 Boston, 9/11/22 New York, 9/16/22 Nashville, 9/22/22 Denver, 8/31/23, St. Paul, 9/2/23 St. Paul, 9/18/23 Austin, 9/19/23 Austin
Dude, why are you hi-jacking the thread? I know you're well loved on the pit and
it could be well deserved but posting what's either mindless drivel
or an inside joke that only a few people get sort of lowers your cred a bit.
She post ibtl and wrote Bazinga..So instead of posting ibtl ,cos i think this will happen as all the previous threads. people will start calling names and be mean,i post bazinga video..
This is my way to disagree with OP..i respect people complains about anything couse their opinion must be heard..as mine..And mine is that video.Like it or not,u should respect it..No matter love me, hate me,i come here on 92 or yesterday
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I know you like to play it that your English ain't so great - I suspect otherwise - but I (the OP) wasn't complaining at all. I'm just curious why, after 8 years, my seats have gotten worse instead of better. If you want to post nonsense that doesn't have anything to do with the topic, that's your business, but if you are trying to call someone out on something, just do it rather than post some stupid video.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
as an observation it looks like, if you're number would put you let's say 14th or 15th row with the lottery seating in place then they will move you to the first side sections - which is actually great seating - and therefore you will see people with a higher number on the floor in the rows further back
as for the lottery at least I know people in my number range are actually in it - but they are winning back their old seating which is kind of funny but at least I know I may at one point move back up a little closer
as you know the floor is all about who is in front of you and damn if pearl jam fans don't eat their wheaties
and I don't think there should be a problem with bringing up these observations, after amany years on the board I've seen what a nasty post is and this isn't one - this way when somebody number 150,000 picks up their ticket and they're not on the floor they're not going to have the WTF is going attitude that about 100 of us had in Cleveland - they're going to see how things have changed a bit
we're sharing our thoughts in a constructive way because there has been a bit of an "out with the old and in with the new" vibe amongst the fans but I think it's just getting used to this change and realizing that they still love us all
2. as was alluded to before - with smaller tours ... the choice of shows are limiting - so you are competing with more fan club members in general ... many of which will have better numbers than you ...
3. add the lottery and you're probably gonna be back some ...
2003 tour was seniority based also. So was 2000.
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
I remember the MSG shows of 03' were done differently. I know the Uniondale show I went to was done by blocks and what time you picked up your tix.. But the MSG shows they actually gave me my tix for both nights on the first night.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
mine did. Especially after the 2000 tour, when they lifted the restriction of one show. I suppose now, PJ's tours are small, so the fans have to travel if they want to see them, which reduces the ability to ditribute the 10c members among more shows.
I also don't think that many people with numbers under 200k let their memberships lapse. With the senority thing, there's a big incentive not too. It's something you can't get back. I've had the feeling, that membership turnover in the lower #'s has creeped to a standstill since senority was introduced.
8.21.00 Columbus | 6.24.03 Columbus | 7.9.03 NYC | 10.2.04 Toledo | 9.11.05 Kitchener | 5.20.06 Cleveland | 8.5.07 Chicago | 5.6.10 Columbus | 5.7.10 Noblesville | 5.9.10 Cleveland | 9.3.11 East Troy | 9.4.11 East Troy | 7.19.13 Chicago | 10.11.13 Pittsburgh | 10.1.14 Cincinnati | 4.8.16 Ft. Lauderdale | 4.9.16 Miami | 8.8.18 Seattle | 8.10.18 Seattle | 9.26.21 Dana Point | 10.1.21 Dana Point | 10.2.21 Dana Point | 9.16.22 Nashville | 9.17.22 Louisville | 9.18.22 St. Louis | 9.2.23 St. Paul | 9.15.23 Ft. Worth
6.26.11 Detroit (EdVed) | 9.23.17 Louisville (EdVed) | 9.25.21 Dana Point (EdVed) | 10.01.22 Dana Point (EdVed) | 2.6.22 Newark (EdVed)
Oh God, please, NO. If you're not a member of the 9.7% unemployment rate, oftentimes you have to work, and then run, fight traffic, etc. I don't find standing in lines fun. The thing I particularly didn't like in 2003 is the fact that 10c said in their announcements that seating was specific assignments based on seniority and the arrival time at the venue didn't impact your seat location. But what actually happened was different. It was the blocks. That created great debates in this board which almost crashed it several times. This is yet another instance where I can say 10c listened and acted. Thank you 10c. Wouldn't you rather pick up your 10c tickets and then go to a pre-party rather than stand in some F-k'd up line for hours? I hate lines. The thought of going to places like Disneyland, Magic Mountain, Universal Studios, etc., give me the hives.
2. People going to more shows (early members are no longer kids, and can afford to travel for shows)
Not to hard to figure out...Right???
More members going to more shows.....
Your seats are further back.....
Right???
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
if someone has a strong case he will go and complain directly 10c..now he comes in ther forum ,he knows will find some more complainers for please himself..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Thanks 10C!!!
My seats seem to have gotten further and further back too. Which is hard to explain really except for the lottery.
However, I did win the lottery in Cleveland and was in row ten instead of further back.
So, I won't complain!!
and I haven't seen anybody complaining here - just some people who can't discern the difference between an observation and a complaint thinking they're wrapping it all up with a smug one-shot
agreeing to disagree and seeing the other side promotes great discussion - thinking you've summed it all up in one answer just shows your ability to communicate
Kevin
San Diego 2003
Grand Rapids 2004
Grand Rapids 2006
Detroit 2006
Columbus 2010
"With my own two hands I can change the world."
well ... the reality is that YOU can pick up your tickets and go to the pre-party or wherever ... the only thing blocks did was put you in a range based on seniority rather than a specific seat ... but i hear your point ... it does favour those who don't have to work or have the time to line up before the ticket window opened ... my most recent experiences have been great ... show up 10 mins before a possible pre-set and get my tickets ... enter venue ...