MLB 2025 Season

HesCalledDyer

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

They take a lot of liberties

Posada
Maris
Jackson
Bernie
Pettitte
O'Neill

All probably shouldn't be retired, but they were all part of big moments/dynasties

Posada and Petite are w the Core Four.  They deserve it.

Reggie brought them back prominence and to the WS and won back to back but missed in 81.

Bernie I wouldn't have a problem with.  Spent his whole career there.  Fan favorite.

Maris.  61 HR.  Big deal to have a record like that and not honor it.

O'neill?  c'mon...

I don't know if I agree w Rizzutto being retired.

Fast forward the next 10 years.  Who are they retiring besides Judge?

If O'Neill is the new standard, they'll retire Sabathia.  

tempo_n_groove

HesCalledDyer said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

They take a lot of liberties

Posada
Maris
Jackson
Bernie
Pettitte
O'Neill

All probably shouldn't be retired, but they were all part of big moments/dynasties

Posada and Petite are w the Core Four.  They deserve it.

Reggie brought them back prominence and to the WS and won back to back but missed in 81.

Bernie I wouldn't have a problem with.  Spent his whole career there.  Fan favorite.

Maris.  61 HR.  Big deal to have a record like that and not honor it.

O'neill?  c'mon...

I don't know if I agree w Rizzutto being retired.

Fast forward the next 10 years.  Who are they retiring besides Judge?

If O'Neill is the new standard, they'll retire Sabathia.  

And Matsui at this point...

Indifference71

Fuuuuuuuuck these owners.  And fuck Manfred for saying that MLB teams aren't profitable.  The Braves appear to be doing just fine...


https://news.yahoo.com/champion-braves-report-huge-profits-as-mlb-claims-teams-are-bad-investments-173334889.html

tempo_n_groove

Indifference71 said:

Fuuuuuuuuck these owners.  And fuck Manfred for saying that MLB teams aren't profitable.  The Braves appear to be doing just fine...


https://news.yahoo.com/champion-braves-report-huge-profits-as-mlb-claims-teams-are-bad-investments-173334889.html

I wish I had hit the Cali lottery years ago when the Halos were up for sale.  I was going to buy them if I had won.  Price was like 300 million or so.  I'm sure that team is worth wayyyy more than that now.

mfc2006

What a complete shitshow.

F Me In The Brain

Indifference71 said:

Fuuuuuuuuck these owners.  And fuck Manfred for saying that MLB teams aren't profitable.  The Braves appear to be doing just fine...


https://news.yahoo.com/champion-braves-report-huge-profits-as-mlb-claims-teams-are-bad-investments-173334889.html

Yeah it is too east to blame the players.  These owners are dirtballs.

mfc2006

F Me In The Brain said:

Indifference71 said:

Fuuuuuuuuck these owners.  And fuck Manfred for saying that MLB teams aren't profitable.  The Braves appear to be doing just fine...


https://news.yahoo.com/champion-braves-report-huge-profits-as-mlb-claims-teams-are-bad-investments-173334889.html

Yeah it is too east to blame the players.  These owners are dirtballs.

Yup

Wobbie

F Me In The Brain said:

Indifference71 said:

Fuuuuuuuuck these owners.  And fuck Manfred for saying that MLB teams aren't profitable.  The Braves appear to be doing just fine...


https://news.yahoo.com/champion-braves-report-huge-profits-as-mlb-claims-teams-are-bad-investments-173334889.html

Yeah it is too east to blame the players.  These owners are dirtballs.

yeah, but goddam, you’re making generational wealth to play a fucking GAME. fuck ‘em both.

F Me In The Brain

Nah, the owners!! 
Ha.

pjhawks

Wobbie said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Indifference71 said:

Fuuuuuuuuck these owners.  And fuck Manfred for saying that MLB teams aren't profitable.  The Braves appear to be doing just fine...


https://news.yahoo.com/champion-braves-report-huge-profits-as-mlb-claims-teams-are-bad-investments-173334889.html

Yeah it is too east to blame the players.  These owners are dirtballs.

yeah, but goddam, you’re making generational wealth to play a fucking GAME. fuck ‘em both.

Only the stars.  Guys who don’t hit 6 years really don’t make that much. I think I saw where the major league minimum is even lower than the NHL’s.  Plus they hold back young players to delay their arbitration year by a year.   

Indifference71

Well sounds like whatever progress they made yesterday is falling apart today and owners are giving 1 last offer.  What an absolute fucking joke.

DewieCox

Read it’s not anywhere close to what the union is asking for.

Wobbie

guys like tatis, harper, etc. lose like $200k per game missed. fuck ‘em.

elvistheking44

pjhawks said:

Wobbie said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Indifference71 said:

Fuuuuuuuuck these owners.  And fuck Manfred for saying that MLB teams aren't profitable.  The Braves appear to be doing just fine...


https://news.yahoo.com/champion-braves-report-huge-profits-as-mlb-claims-teams-are-bad-investments-173334889.html

Yeah it is too east to blame the players.  These owners are dirtballs.

yeah, but goddam, you’re making generational wealth to play a fucking GAME. fuck ‘em both.

Only the stars.  Guys who don’t hit 6 years really don’t make that much. I think I saw where the major league minimum is even lower than the NHL’s.  Plus they hold back young players to delay their arbitration year by a year.   

Minimum salary Is over $500k. 

cp3iverson

My wife and I have been trying to plan a cross country Amtrak trip that crosses off more ballparks off the list.  

At this rate we’ll just be touring them. 

F Me In The Brain

As the last time we has a battle between players and owners....don't take the bait from shills lke Jeff Passen.
Only one side getting over, here, on the other and it isnt the players.
https://theathletic.com/3157684/2022/03/01/brisbee-baseball-games-will-be-canceled-and-theres-no-both-sidesing-this-one?source=user-shared-article

DewieCox

Wobbie

F Me In The Brain said:

As the last time we has a battle between players and owners....don't take the bait from shills lke Jeff Passen.
Only one side getting over, here, on the other and it isnt the players.
https://theathletic.com/3157684/2022/03/01/brisbee-baseball-games-will-be-canceled-and-theres-no-both-sidesing-this-one?source=user-shared-article

your syntax is a bit garbled, F’me.

I’ll take passan over verducci.

bootlegger10

To be honest, they could miss the first 40 games of the year and the season would still be about 20 games too long.

tempo_n_groove

To Our Fans:

I had hoped against hope that I would not have to be in the position of canceling games. We worked hard to avoid an outcome that is bad for our fans, bad for our players and bad for our clubs.

I want to assure our fans that our failure to reach an agreement was not due to a lack of effort on the part of either party. The Players came here for nine days, worked hard and tried to make a deal. I appreciate their effort.

Our committee of Club representatives committed to the process, offered compromise after compromise, and hung in past the deadline to exhaust all efforts to reach an agreement.

So far, we have failed to achieve our mutual goal of a fair deal. The unfortunate thing is that the agreement we have offered has huge benefits for fans and players.

We have listened to the Players Association throughout this process. A primary goal of the Players Association has been to increase pay for younger players. As I have said previously, we agree and share that goal. We offered to raise the minimum salary to $700,000, an increase of $130,000 from 2021. We offered to create an annual bonus pool of $30 million for the very best young players. In total, we are offering a 33% raise to nearly two-thirds of Major League players and adding more than $100 million annually in additional compensation for younger players.

The proposal also addressed player and fan concerns about issues like service time and competitive issues. Baseball would for the first time have a draft lottery -- the most aggressive in professional sports. Also, for the first time ever, we agreed to an incentive system to encourage clubs to promote top prospects to their Opening Day rosters. We also proposed that the first andsecond-place finishers in the Rookie of the Year voting in each league would receive a full year of service.

The MLBPA asked to make free agency more robust. For the first time ever, we agreed to eliminate direct draft pick compensation, a change the MLBPA has sought for decades. On the Competitive Balance Tax, we offered a significantly larger first-year increase than in the last two agreements, bearing in mind that the Competitive Balance Tax is the only mechanism in the agreement that protects some semblance of a level playing field among clubs.

The International Draft would have more fairly allocated talent among the clubs and reduced abuses in some international markets.

We also listened to our fans. The expanded playoffs would bring the excitement of meaningful September baseball and postseason baseball to fans in more of our markets. While we preferred a 14-team format, when the format became a significant obstacle, we listened to the players’ concerns, and offered to compromise by accepting their 12-team format.

Finally, we offered a procedural agreement that would allow for the timely implementation of sorely needed rules like the pitch timer and elimination of shifts to improve the entertainment value of the game on the field. And we agreed to the universal DH.

So, what is next? The calendar dictates that we are not going to be able to play the first two series of regular season games and those games are officially canceled. We are prepared to continue negotiations. We have been informed that the MLBPA is headed back to New York meaning that no agreement is possible until at least Thursday. Currently, camps could not meaningfully operate until at least March 8th, leaving only 23 days before scheduled Opening Day.

We played without an agreement in 1994 and the players went on strike in August, forcing the cancellation of the World Series. It was a painful chapter in our game’s history. We cannot risk such an outcome again for our fans and our sport.

The Clubs and our owners fully understand just how important it is to our millions of fans that we get the game on the field as soon as possible. To that end, we want to bargain and we want a deal with the Players Association as quickly as possible.