MLB 2025 Season

DewieCox

F Me In The Brain said:

DewieCox said:

Jeter doesn’t deserve to be unanimous outside of the fact that he’s a no brainer. If we’re reserving unanimous for guys that are even more special than a typical HoF, I just don’t think he has “it”. 

Have you ever looked at his stats next to other great SSs?  Then you add in the magic bullshit the dude pulled so many times and being a captain on all time great teams, and never being beaten up in the press for anything other than having a magic cock?

I'm not a yanks guy but he is pretty special, even next to other HoF-ers. 

Just my opinion.

Yeah, not discounting just doesn’t cut the mustard for a unanimous vote to me. I mean, if Rivera is the standard then there aren’t many that reach that. Hate to see it become normal after so many years of it being impossible. Reserved for guys that have a great case for GOAT. There’s not really much of a case for Jeter being the best, all time, at his position, or at any point during his career. 

mrussel1

DewieCox said:

Jeter doesn’t deserve to be unanimous outside of the fact that he’s a no brainer. If we’re reserving unanimous for guys that are even more special than a typical HoF, I just don’t think he has “it”. 

Considering the bar historically has been...how do you compare to your peers at the position during your playing days, I don’t see how an individual writer casts a no vote other than the feeling that no one gets in first time.  It’s hard to argue that he doesn’t deserve the hall.  And because it’s not a committee vote, rather a collection of individuals, I don’t see how an individual says no.

F Me In The Brain

DewieCox said:

F Me In The Brain said:

DewieCox said:

Jeter doesn’t deserve to be unanimous outside of the fact that he’s a no brainer. If we’re reserving unanimous for guys that are even more special than a typical HoF, I just don’t think he has “it”. 

Have you ever looked at his stats next to other great SSs?  Then you add in the magic bullshit the dude pulled so many times and being a captain on all time great teams, and never being beaten up in the press for anything other than having a magic cock?

I'm not a yanks guy but he is pretty special, even next to other HoF-ers. 

Just my opinion.

Yeah, not discounting just doesn’t cut the mustard for a unanimous vote to me. I mean, if Rivera is the standard then there aren’t many that reach that. Hate to see it become normal after so many years of it being impossible. Reserved for guys that have a great case for GOAT. There’s not really much of a case for Jeter being the best, all time, at his position, or at any point during his career. 

Is Rivera the only one?

That is an awfully high bar.

He will be first ballot, and I am sure happy to be there.

HesCalledDyer

Barry Bonds should have been a first-ballot, unanimous vote.  But a bunch of fucking holier-than-thou, hindsight-staring crybabies have to retroactively punish him for - of all things - the size of his head.  My fucking head grew from age 20 to 40 as well.  Maybe if he played for the Astros, he'd only have gotten a one year suspension from HOF voting.

Wobbie

HesCalledDyer said:

Barry Bonds should have been a first-ballot, unanimous vote.  But a bunch of fucking holier-than-thou, hindsight-staring crybabies have to retroactively punish him for - of all things - the size of his head.  My fucking head grew from age 20 to 40 as well.  Maybe if he played for the Astros, he'd only have gotten a one year suspension from HOF voting.

word, Dyer

tempo_n_groove

F Me In The Brain said:

DewieCox said:

F Me In The Brain said:

DewieCox said:

Jeter doesn’t deserve to be unanimous outside of the fact that he’s a no brainer. If we’re reserving unanimous for guys that are even more special than a typical HoF, I just don’t think he has “it”. 

Have you ever looked at his stats next to other great SSs?  Then you add in the magic bullshit the dude pulled so many times and being a captain on all time great teams, and never being beaten up in the press for anything other than having a magic cock?

I'm not a yanks guy but he is pretty special, even next to other HoF-ers. 

Just my opinion.

Yeah, not discounting just doesn’t cut the mustard for a unanimous vote to me. I mean, if Rivera is the standard then there aren’t many that reach that. Hate to see it become normal after so many years of it being impossible. Reserved for guys that have a great case for GOAT. There’s not really much of a case for Jeter being the best, all time, at his position, or at any point during his career. 

Is Rivera the only one?

That is an awfully high bar.

He will be first ballot, and I am sure happy to be there.

Yep.  Before that for years Ty Cobb had the highest voting percentage and HE didn't get 100% but was widely regarded as one of the GREATEST to ever play the game.

Since then 5 others have received higher votes with Seaver finally breaking that in the early 90's and 1 asshole didn't give Griffey a first place vote so he didn't get 100%.

Ledbetterman10

tempo_n_groove said:

 mcgruff10 said:

Any chance for clemens or bonds?

Wishful thinking.

I wonder if Alex Rodriguez or Palmiero ever see the inside of the hall?  They both got popped twice and to me that is a death bell but I would still vote them in.

Don’t know much about Palmiero’s situation but there is no way A-Rod ever gets in. Even if they change their tune on Bonds, A-Rod got caught again well after the initial wave of guys exposed in that report (Mitchell Report I think it was called?). He has no shot, and shouldn’t have a shot. I’m all for Bonds in the Hall though. It wasn’t really against the rules (I think) when he was doing it, and I could be mistaken, but I’m not sure he ever truly got caught like A-Rod and others. Could be wrong there though. 

For me, Rose should be in the Hall. Still banned from baseball, but he should have a plaque in Cooperstown (they have his jersey and everything else, give him a plaque). Bonds should be in. A-Rod shouldn’t. And every Astro involved in this cheating scandal should be banned for life. Damn immunity. 

Ledbetterman10

HesCalledDyer said:

Barry Bonds should have been a first-ballot, unanimous vote.  But a bunch of fucking holier-than-thou, hindsight-staring crybabies have to retroactively punish him for - of all things - the size of his head.  My fucking head grew from age 20 to 40 as well.  Maybe if he played for the Astros, he'd only have gotten a one year suspension from HOF voting.

What I hate is the same sportswriters that blackball him (and McGuire and Sosa for that matter) were creaming in their pants with every homerun those guys hit in those years. 

Cliffy6745

There are few things I enjoy more than reading Ian O'Connor write about Derek Jeter.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28503461/why-baseball-needs-derek-jeter-today-much-ever

tempo_n_groove

Cliffy6745 said:

There are few things I enjoy more than reading Ian O'Connor write about Derek Jeter.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28503461/why-baseball-needs-derek-jeter-today-much-ever

Great article.  Agree 100%.

Some jerk won't give him a vote though, watch.

MayDay10

Derek Jeter might be the second ever player to get 100% of the vote?

Sorry.  Against the greats in history, he doesnt stand out.  over-hyped player.  

Poncier

MayDay10 said:

Derek Jeter might be the second ever player to get 100% of the vote?

Sorry.  Against the greats in history, he doesnt stand out.  over-hyped player.  

You don't think he's better than Ruth, Gehrig, Aaron, Mays, DiMaggio, Young, Williams or Mantle?

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

MayDay10 said:

Derek Jeter might be the second ever player to get 100% of the vote?

Sorry.  Against the greats in history, he doesnt stand out.  over-hyped player.  

You don't think he's better than Ruth, Gehrig, Aaron, Mays, DiMaggio, Young, Williams or Mantle?

I say yes to those mentioned considering none played Shortstop.

The HOF voting is such a weird thing.

Does anyone remember when Libatard gave his ballot away?

Cliffy6745

MayDay10 said:

Derek Jeter might be the second ever player to get 100% of the vote?

Sorry.  Against the greats in history, he doesnt stand out.  over-hyped player.  

Yeah, he only hit .331/.393/.446 against your Cleveland Indians.  He stinks.

DewieCox

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

MayDay10 said:

Derek Jeter might be the second ever player to get 100% of the vote?

Sorry.  Against the greats in history, he doesnt stand out.  over-hyped player.  

You don't think he's better than Ruth, Gehrig, Aaron, Mays, DiMaggio, Young, Williams or Mantle?

I say yes to those mentioned considering none played Shortstop.

The HOF voting is such a weird thing.

Does anyone remember when Libatard gave his ballot away?

Does he really make up the offensive disparity by being an average fielding SS?


What HoF are deserving of 100%? Top 50? top 100? Top 10?

HesCalledDyer

Ledbetterman10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Barry Bonds should have been a first-ballot, unanimous vote.  But a bunch of fucking holier-than-thou, hindsight-staring crybabies have to retroactively punish him for - of all things - the size of his head.  My fucking head grew from age 20 to 40 as well.  Maybe if he played for the Astros, he'd only have gotten a one year suspension from HOF voting.

What I hate is the same sportswriters that blackball him (and McGuire and Sosa for that matter) were creaming in their pants with every homerun those guys hit in those years. 

Exactly!

Poncier

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

MayDay10 said:

Derek Jeter might be the second ever player to get 100% of the vote?

Sorry.  Against the greats in history, he doesnt stand out.  over-hyped player.  

You don't think he's better than Ruth, Gehrig, Aaron, Mays, DiMaggio, Young, Williams or Mantle?

I say yes to those mentioned considering none played Shortstop.

The HOF voting is such a weird thing.

Come on, he's better than the all time greats cause he played SS? Then shouldn't Mark Belanger be in the HOF?
Jeter is a sure fire HOFer, deserves that, but he was never MVP and you're telling me he's better than multi-MVP winners like Mays, Mantle DiMaggio and Gehrig cause he played SS?
The 100% of the vote thing is a shame cause the old time guys got penalized for no sound reason by fools who did the voting, so he'll get 100% and fine...but telling me he's better than those players I listed is ridiculous.

BizzzyBozzzy

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

MayDay10 said:

Derek Jeter might be the second ever player to get 100% of the vote?

Sorry.  Against the greats in history, he doesnt stand out.  over-hyped player.  

You don't think he's better than Ruth, Gehrig, Aaron, Mays, DiMaggio, Young, Williams or Mantle?

I say yes to those mentioned considering none played Shortstop.

The HOF voting is such a weird thing.

Does anyone remember when Libatard gave his ballot away?

Does he really make up the offensive disparity by being an average fielding SS?


What HoF are deserving of 100%? Top 50? top 100? Top 10?

He's not an average fielding shortstop. Statistically, he was a horrific shortstop.

F Me In The Brain

BizzzyBozzzy said:

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

MayDay10 said:

Derek Jeter might be the second ever player to get 100% of the vote?

Sorry.  Against the greats in history, he doesnt stand out.  over-hyped player.  

You don't think he's better than Ruth, Gehrig, Aaron, Mays, DiMaggio, Young, Williams or Mantle?

I say yes to those mentioned considering none played Shortstop.

The HOF voting is such a weird thing.

Does anyone remember when Libatard gave his ballot away?

Does he really make up the offensive disparity by being an average fielding SS?


What HoF are deserving of 100%? Top 50? top 100? Top 10?

He's not an average fielding shortstop. Statistically, he was a horrific shortstop.

5 Gold Gloves

Was in the top 10 for fielding percentages many times

Are you going to bring out advanced statistics to tell everyone how dumb they are? 

(When people in New York ate sausage for both breakfast & dinner, Jeter didn't go for enough balls to qualify for a gold glove.)

5 gold gloves do not go to a horrific shortstop.

Nobody said he was Vizquel.

F Me In The Brain

Can't believe I am arguing on behalf of The Man With The Golden Cock

Always kinda annoyed me, but he is an all time great player.  Anyone who does not believe this has a totally different understanding of baseball than most of us.