MLB 2025 Season

cutz

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

it was cheating in the 90's ... there's been a banned substances list since 91 in mlb ... they just didn't start testing until the 2000's ...
i would say cheating is anything that is explicitly written against in a rule book ...

So, because MLB didn't enforce their own rules, the players should be punished? MLB knew damn well what was going on, but they needed tickets sales, viewership, and advertising. So to get those dollars, they turned a blind eye while everyone was hitting the shit out of the ball. It worked in everyone's favor. Baseball and baseball players regained popularity and all made money and the fans got to watch home run derby.
You guys that are so hell-bent on putting asterisks on steroid era players, or discrediting everything they ever did crack me up. The league fucked up, not the players. Is it cheating? Yes, by definition. But when the league knows it is, and doesn't care, who is really to blame?
Major League Baseball wouldn't be the game it is today without the steroid era. Period.

Or the Greenies before that. They were the PED's of that era.

cutz

Degeneratefk said:

Wobbie said:

Degeneratefk said:

pureoc said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Amongst the Ani said:

Damn. Arod retired. Hated the guy but one hell of a player.

Arod and bonds are the two best players I have ever seen

And 2 of the biggest pieces of shit to play the game. Baseball will become a better sport Friday when A Fraud is no longer playing it.

Coukdnt disagree more. The problem lies in that they were BOTH hall of fame players before they used PEDs. I'm of the opinion that the juicers should get in too. No asterisks but with a simple sentence added to the HOF plaque: "this player played in the steroid era." OR "this person tested positive for PEDs." It's that simple.

Bonds was. Not sure Arod was ever clean.

Just look at him in seattle compared to Texas and you can clearly see he wasn't juicing in seattle.

Can't always go by just looks. Just take a look at Dee Gordon. He sure as hell doesn't look like a PED user to me.

Degeneratefk

cutz said:

Degeneratefk said:

Wobbie said:

Degeneratefk said:

pureoc said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Amongst the Ani said:

Damn. Arod retired. Hated the guy but one hell of a player.

Arod and bonds are the two best players I have ever seen

And 2 of the biggest pieces of shit to play the game. Baseball will become a better sport Friday when A Fraud is no longer playing it.

Coukdnt disagree more. The problem lies in that they were BOTH hall of fame players before they used PEDs. I'm of the opinion that the juicers should get in too. No asterisks but with a simple sentence added to the HOF plaque: "this player played in the steroid era." OR "this person tested positive for PEDs." It's that simple.

Bonds was. Not sure Arod was ever clean.

Just look at him in seattle compared to Texas and you can clearly see he wasn't juicing in seattle.

Can't always go by just looks. Just take a look at Dee Gordon. He sure as hell doesn't look like a PED user to me.

True, but the size difference is enormous. HGH doesn't make you bigger. I suppose arod could have used hgh and switched to steroids.

xavier mcdaniel

Nice game by Brandon Crawford tonight, 7-for-8 with 10 total bases. Sixth player to get at least seven hits in a game.

polaris_x

F Me In The Brain said:

polaris_x said:

igotid88 said:

people still watch the Olympics. And that's steroid central

these athletes are the most tested ... for sure cheaters are gonna find ways but as you can see from the retesting from London - you'll eventually get caught ... and cheaters are universally vilified in olympic sports ... just look at the booing of russian athletes and the comments from US athletes about cheaters ...

The IOC is a bunch of rotten cock-bags and people still watch, mostly turning a blind eye to what goes on prior to the games being played. They don't care about the atheletes, it is a big joke. While they may test to catch the cheaters, the IOC themselves put entertainment higher than humanity and the world eats it up.

Baseball should be an Olympic sport again. If Canoe Sprinting and Rhythmic Gymnastics are in....bring baseball back!

i totally agree about the IOC but they don't handle the drug testing ... WADA and the individual country's ADA does ... baseball will be back for Tokyo ...

Indifference71

Now Tebow thinks he's going to be a baseball player??? This fucking guy.

polaris_x

Degeneratefk said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

it was cheating in the 90's ... there's been a banned substances list since 91 in mlb ... they just didn't start testing until the 2000's ...
i would say cheating is anything that is explicitly written against in a rule book ...

So, because MLB didn't enforce their own rules, the players should be punished? MLB knew damn well what was going on, but they needed tickets sales, viewership, and advertising. So to get those dollars, they turned a blind eye while everyone was hitting the shit out of the ball. It worked in everyone's favor. Baseball and baseball players regained popularity and all made money and the fans got to watch home run derby.
You guys that are so hell-bent on putting asterisks on steroid era players, or discrediting everything they ever did crack me up. The league fucked up, not the players. Is it cheating? Yes, by definition. But when the league knows it is, and doesn't care, who is really to blame?
Major League Baseball wouldn't be the game it is today without the steroid era. Period.

then explain why this chart ... http://www.businessinsider.com/popularity-nfl-mlb-nba-2015-2 shows baseball declining in popularity in the 90's?

this is the crux of cheating ... you are impacting people who had some integrity ... every hr, hit or whatever is invalid ... players who fought for jobs while others cheated may have lost opportunities or contracts ...

you guys can rationalize it however you want ... that's your choice ... it's ok to say you're ok with cheating ... not sure why you guys are so defensive about it ... it's like you know it's wrong so you make up reasons why it's ok ...

That chart is not representative in any way of what I'm talking about. That's just polling what people say is their favorite sport. Baseball ticket sales and viewership still went up.
So are we going to remove everyone from the HOF who played in the 70's and were amped up on speed or coke? Should we negate Doc Ellis' no-hitter because he threw it on acid?

baseball viewership and ticket sales is up now ... in an era where it's expected players aren't cheating ... also, a lot of people got turned off baseball during the revelation of the use of drugs ...

dude ... two wrongs don't make a right ... so, someone pitched on acid years ago = steroids ok? ... again - rationalize it all you want ... if you're ok with peeps cheating - that's your choice ...

Baseball was down after the strike. 2 things brought baseball back afterwards: 1) Cal Ripkens iron man streak (if anyone think RipKen did use steroids, they are naive) and 2) Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire in 98. By then, it was well known that people juiced. And people didn't give a fuck. They wanted to see homeruns. And it wasn't just the hitters. Pitchers were juicing too. That's not a rationalization. It's a fact. Attendance was up across the league. I can remember numbers up 70 or 75% of players that used. I don't know how accurate that number was, but it wasn't surprising.

It's ok with me that you consider it cheating. It is. That doesn't mean they should be excluded as the greats of the game.

so ... the assumption is that they would have been greats of the game regardless if they cheated or not?

Degeneratefk

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

it was cheating in the 90's ... there's been a banned substances list since 91 in mlb ... they just didn't start testing until the 2000's ...
i would say cheating is anything that is explicitly written against in a rule book ...

So, because MLB didn't enforce their own rules, the players should be punished? MLB knew damn well what was going on, but they needed tickets sales, viewership, and advertising. So to get those dollars, they turned a blind eye while everyone was hitting the shit out of the ball. It worked in everyone's favor. Baseball and baseball players regained popularity and all made money and the fans got to watch home run derby.
You guys that are so hell-bent on putting asterisks on steroid era players, or discrediting everything they ever did crack me up. The league fucked up, not the players. Is it cheating? Yes, by definition. But when the league knows it is, and doesn't care, who is really to blame?
Major League Baseball wouldn't be the game it is today without the steroid era. Period.

then explain why this chart ... http://www.businessinsider.com/popularity-nfl-mlb-nba-2015-2 shows baseball declining in popularity in the 90's?

this is the crux of cheating ... you are impacting people who had some integrity ... every hr, hit or whatever is invalid ... players who fought for jobs while others cheated may have lost opportunities or contracts ...

you guys can rationalize it however you want ... that's your choice ... it's ok to say you're ok with cheating ... not sure why you guys are so defensive about it ... it's like you know it's wrong so you make up reasons why it's ok ...

That chart is not representative in any way of what I'm talking about. That's just polling what people say is their favorite sport. Baseball ticket sales and viewership still went up.
So are we going to remove everyone from the HOF who played in the 70's and were amped up on speed or coke? Should we negate Doc Ellis' no-hitter because he threw it on acid?

baseball viewership and ticket sales is up now ... in an era where it's expected players aren't cheating ... also, a lot of people got turned off baseball during the revelation of the use of drugs ...

dude ... two wrongs don't make a right ... so, someone pitched on acid years ago = steroids ok? ... again - rationalize it all you want ... if you're ok with peeps cheating - that's your choice ...

Baseball was down after the strike. 2 things brought baseball back afterwards: 1) Cal Ripkens iron man streak (if anyone think RipKen did use steroids, they are naive) and 2) Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire in 98. By then, it was well known that people juiced. And people didn't give a fuck. They wanted to see homeruns. And it wasn't just the hitters. Pitchers were juicing too. That's not a rationalization. It's a fact. Attendance was up across the league. I can remember numbers up 70 or 75% of players that used. I don't know how accurate that number was, but it wasn't surprising.

It's ok with me that you consider it cheating. It is. That doesn't mean they should be excluded as the greats of the game.

so ... the assumption is that they would have been greats of the game regardless if they cheated or not?

My guess is most would have been. Guys like bonds and arod, imo, were great before they used. We know McGuire used his entire career. Sosa probably wouldn't have been. Tough call on Roger clemons.

Jason P

Release the Tebow!!!

polaris_x

Degeneratefk said:

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

it was cheating in the 90's ... there's been a banned substances list since 91 in mlb ... they just didn't start testing until the 2000's ...
i would say cheating is anything that is explicitly written against in a rule book ...

So, because MLB didn't enforce their own rules, the players should be punished? MLB knew damn well what was going on, but they needed tickets sales, viewership, and advertising. So to get those dollars, they turned a blind eye while everyone was hitting the shit out of the ball. It worked in everyone's favor. Baseball and baseball players regained popularity and all made money and the fans got to watch home run derby.
You guys that are so hell-bent on putting asterisks on steroid era players, or discrediting everything they ever did crack me up. The league fucked up, not the players. Is it cheating? Yes, by definition. But when the league knows it is, and doesn't care, who is really to blame?
Major League Baseball wouldn't be the game it is today without the steroid era. Period.

then explain why this chart ... http://www.businessinsider.com/popularity-nfl-mlb-nba-2015-2 shows baseball declining in popularity in the 90's?

this is the crux of cheating ... you are impacting people who had some integrity ... every hr, hit or whatever is invalid ... players who fought for jobs while others cheated may have lost opportunities or contracts ...

you guys can rationalize it however you want ... that's your choice ... it's ok to say you're ok with cheating ... not sure why you guys are so defensive about it ... it's like you know it's wrong so you make up reasons why it's ok ...

That chart is not representative in any way of what I'm talking about. That's just polling what people say is their favorite sport. Baseball ticket sales and viewership still went up.
So are we going to remove everyone from the HOF who played in the 70's and were amped up on speed or coke? Should we negate Doc Ellis' no-hitter because he threw it on acid?

baseball viewership and ticket sales is up now ... in an era where it's expected players aren't cheating ... also, a lot of people got turned off baseball during the revelation of the use of drugs ...

dude ... two wrongs don't make a right ... so, someone pitched on acid years ago = steroids ok? ... again - rationalize it all you want ... if you're ok with peeps cheating - that's your choice ...

Baseball was down after the strike. 2 things brought baseball back afterwards: 1) Cal Ripkens iron man streak (if anyone think RipKen did use steroids, they are naive) and 2) Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire in 98. By then, it was well known that people juiced. And people didn't give a fuck. They wanted to see homeruns. And it wasn't just the hitters. Pitchers were juicing too. That's not a rationalization. It's a fact. Attendance was up across the league. I can remember numbers up 70 or 75% of players that used. I don't know how accurate that number was, but it wasn't surprising.

It's ok with me that you consider it cheating. It is. That doesn't mean they should be excluded as the greats of the game.

so ... the assumption is that they would have been greats of the game regardless if they cheated or not?

My guess is most would have been. Guys like bonds and arod, imo, were great before they used. We know McGuire used his entire career. Sosa probably wouldn't have been. Tough call on Roger clemons.

i guess that's the hard part ... who would and who wouldn't ...

Cliffy6745

Prince and Cecil fielder will both end their careers with 319 home runs. So weird

Amongst the Ani

Astros just designated Carlos Gomez for assignment.

Degeneratefk

Amongst the Ani said:

Astros just designated Carlos Gomez for assignment.

Dude has been a complete flop since going to houston.

Amongst the Ani

2 seasons ago he was a 1st round pick in fantasy. To go from that to a contender just flat out cutting him in 16 months was a quick fall. Someone will pick him up. Don't know who but he will not be unemployed for long.

HesCalledDyer

I was never a big Fielder fan (mostly for beating the shit out of the Cubs all those years in Milwaukee) but he is certainly one of the most passionate players of the game. It's terrible to see his career end this way.

Who Princess

HesCalledDyer said:

I was never a big Fielder fan (mostly for beating the shit out of the Cubs all those years in Milwaukee) but he is certainly one of the most passionate players of the game. It's terrible to see his career end this way.

I really resented the Rangers trading Ian Kinsler for him but he became a fan favorite. When he was healthy, he was great. Pretty emotional press conference.

Wobbie

sucks about Prince but he still gets nearly $100M.

igotid88

Even though he hasn't done much offensively this year. Losing Stanton for the rest of the year is huge. So far he hasn't been living up to the contract.

Degeneratefk

Mookie Betts may have just locked in the AL MVP.

cutz

igotid88 said:

Even though he hasn't done much offensively this year. Losing Stanton for the rest of the year is huge. So far he hasn't been living up to the contract.

Will the Marlins sign A-Rod now?