MLB 2025 Season

polaris_x

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pureoc said:

Degeneratefk said:

pureoc said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Amongst the Ani said:

Damn. Arod retired. Hated the guy but one hell of a player.

Arod and bonds are the two best players I have ever seen

And 2 of the biggest pieces of shit to play the game. Baseball will become a better sport Friday when A Fraud is no longer playing it.

Coukdnt disagree more. The problem lies in that they were BOTH hall of fame players before they used PEDs. I'm of the opinion that the juicers should get in too. No asterisks but with a simple sentence added to the HOF plaque: "this player played in the steroid era." OR "this person tested positive for PEDs." It's that simple.

To each their own. They don't belong in the hall. They got plenty, fame and a shit ton of cash to play a game. They cheated the fans, they got more than enough. In no way do they deserve to be given the highest honor in the game.

Lol they cheated the fans. What are you a little leaguer who believes in Santa?

Yea, if you feel cheated that pro athletes cheat, better stop watching professional sports.

so cheating is ok with you guys!? ... as long as your entertained?

Degeneratefk

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pureoc said:

Degeneratefk said:

pureoc said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Amongst the Ani said:

Damn. Arod retired. Hated the guy but one hell of a player.

Arod and bonds are the two best players I have ever seen

And 2 of the biggest pieces of shit to play the game. Baseball will become a better sport Friday when A Fraud is no longer playing it.

Coukdnt disagree more. The problem lies in that they were BOTH hall of fame players before they used PEDs. I'm of the opinion that the juicers should get in too. No asterisks but with a simple sentence added to the HOF plaque: "this player played in the steroid era." OR "this person tested positive for PEDs." It's that simple.

To each their own. They don't belong in the hall. They got plenty, fame and a shit ton of cash to play a game. They cheated the fans, they got more than enough. In no way do they deserve to be given the highest honor in the game.

Lol they cheated the fans. What are you a little leaguer who believes in Santa?

Yea, if you feel cheated that pro athletes cheat, better stop watching professional sports.

so cheating is ok with you guys!? ... as long as your entertained?

First, it wasnt cheating in the 90s. Second, it is entertainment. I didn't say I was ok with cheating, but where are you drawing the line? Stealing signs in baseball? Pumping fake crowd noise during a football game? Under inflating a football? Putting and extra fuel line in a race car? It all happens on a weekly basis.

polaris_x

Degeneratefk said:

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pureoc said:

Degeneratefk said:

pureoc said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Amongst the Ani said:

Damn. Arod retired. Hated the guy but one hell of a player.

Arod and bonds are the two best players I have ever seen

And 2 of the biggest pieces of shit to play the game. Baseball will become a better sport Friday when A Fraud is no longer playing it.

Coukdnt disagree more. The problem lies in that they were BOTH hall of fame players before they used PEDs. I'm of the opinion that the juicers should get in too. No asterisks but with a simple sentence added to the HOF plaque: "this player played in the steroid era." OR "this person tested positive for PEDs." It's that simple.

To each their own. They don't belong in the hall. They got plenty, fame and a shit ton of cash to play a game. They cheated the fans, they got more than enough. In no way do they deserve to be given the highest honor in the game.

Lol they cheated the fans. What are you a little leaguer who believes in Santa?

Yea, if you feel cheated that pro athletes cheat, better stop watching professional sports.

so cheating is ok with you guys!? ... as long as your entertained?

First, it wasnt cheating in the 90s. Second, it is entertainment. I didn't say I was ok with cheating, but where are you drawing the line? Stealing signs in baseball? Pumping fake crowd noise during a football game? Under inflating a football? Putting and extra fuel line in a race car? It all happens on a weekly basis.

it was cheating in the 90's ... there's been a banned substances list since 91 in mlb ... they just didn't start testing until the 2000's ...

i would say cheating is anything that is explicitly written against in a rule book ...

i'm not sure why you keep referencing entertainment? ... are you rationalizing cheating because it's entertainment?

pureoc

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pureoc said:

Degeneratefk said:

pureoc said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Amongst the Ani said:

Damn. Arod retired. Hated the guy but one hell of a player.

Arod and bonds are the two best players I have ever seen

And 2 of the biggest pieces of shit to play the game. Baseball will become a better sport Friday when A Fraud is no longer playing it.

Coukdnt disagree more. The problem lies in that they were BOTH hall of fame players before they used PEDs. I'm of the opinion that the juicers should get in too. No asterisks but with a simple sentence added to the HOF plaque: "this player played in the steroid era." OR "this person tested positive for PEDs." It's that simple.

To each their own. They don't belong in the hall. They got plenty, fame and a shit ton of cash to play a game. They cheated the fans, they got more than enough. In no way do they deserve to be given the highest honor in the game.

Lol they cheated the fans. What are you a little leaguer who believes in Santa?

Yea, if you feel cheated that pro athletes cheat, better stop watching professional sports.

so cheating is ok with you guys!? ... as long as your entertained?

It sure as hell isn't ok by me.

HesCalledDyer

polaris_x said:

it was cheating in the 90's ... there's been a banned substances list since 91 in mlb ... they just didn't start testing until the 2000's ...
i would say cheating is anything that is explicitly written against in a rule book ...

So, because MLB didn't enforce their own rules, the players should be punished? MLB knew damn well what was going on, but they needed tickets sales, viewership, and advertising. So to get those dollars, they turned a blind eye while everyone was hitting the shit out of the ball. It worked in everyone's favor. Baseball and baseball players regained popularity and all made money and the fans got to watch home run derby.
You guys that are so hell-bent on putting asterisks on steroid era players, or discrediting everything they ever did crack me up. The league fucked up, not the players. Is it cheating? Yes, by definition. But when the league knows it is, and doesn't care, who is really to blame?
Major League Baseball wouldn't be the game it is today without the steroid era. Period.

polaris_x

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

it was cheating in the 90's ... there's been a banned substances list since 91 in mlb ... they just didn't start testing until the 2000's ...
i would say cheating is anything that is explicitly written against in a rule book ...

So, because MLB didn't enforce their own rules, the players should be punished? MLB knew damn well what was going on, but they needed tickets sales, viewership, and advertising. So to get those dollars, they turned a blind eye while everyone was hitting the shit out of the ball. It worked in everyone's favor. Baseball and baseball players regained popularity and all made money and the fans got to watch home run derby.
You guys that are so hell-bent on putting asterisks on steroid era players, or discrediting everything they ever did crack me up. The league fucked up, not the players. Is it cheating? Yes, by definition. But when the league knows it is, and doesn't care, who is really to blame?
Major League Baseball wouldn't be the game it is today without the steroid era. Period.

then explain why this chart ... http://www.businessinsider.com/popularity-nfl-mlb-nba-2015-2 shows baseball declining in popularity in the 90's?

this is the crux of cheating ... you are impacting people who had some integrity ... every hr, hit or whatever is invalid ... players who fought for jobs while others cheated may have lost opportunities or contracts ...

you guys can rationalize it however you want ... that's your choice ... it's ok to say you're ok with cheating ... not sure why you guys are so defensive about it ... it's like you know it's wrong so you make up reasons why it's ok ...

Degeneratefk

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

it was cheating in the 90's ... there's been a banned substances list since 91 in mlb ... they just didn't start testing until the 2000's ...
i would say cheating is anything that is explicitly written against in a rule book ...

So, because MLB didn't enforce their own rules, the players should be punished? MLB knew damn well what was going on, but they needed tickets sales, viewership, and advertising. So to get those dollars, they turned a blind eye while everyone was hitting the shit out of the ball. It worked in everyone's favor. Baseball and baseball players regained popularity and all made money and the fans got to watch home run derby.
You guys that are so hell-bent on putting asterisks on steroid era players, or discrediting everything they ever did crack me up. The league fucked up, not the players. Is it cheating? Yes, by definition. But when the league knows it is, and doesn't care, who is really to blame?
Major League Baseball wouldn't be the game it is today without the steroid era. Period.

then explain why this chart ... http://www.businessinsider.com/popularity-nfl-mlb-nba-2015-2 shows baseball declining in popularity in the 90's?

this is the crux of cheating ... you are impacting people who had some integrity ... every hr, hit or whatever is invalid ... players who fought for jobs while others cheated may have lost opportunities or contracts ...

you guys can rationalize it however you want ... that's your choice ... it's ok to say you're ok with cheating ... not sure why you guys are so defensive about it ... it's like you know it's wrong so you make up reasons why it's ok ...

I'm not rationalizing it. I'm saying all forms of cheating happen. so you draw your lines at steroids, that's fine.

pureoc

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

it was cheating in the 90's ... there's been a banned substances list since 91 in mlb ... they just didn't start testing until the 2000's ...
i would say cheating is anything that is explicitly written against in a rule book ...

So, because MLB didn't enforce their own rules, the players should be punished? MLB knew damn well what was going on, but they needed tickets sales, viewership, and advertising. So to get those dollars, they turned a blind eye while everyone was hitting the shit out of the ball. It worked in everyone's favor. Baseball and baseball players regained popularity and all made money and the fans got to watch home run derby.
You guys that are so hell-bent on putting asterisks on steroid era players, or discrediting everything they ever did crack me up. The league fucked up, not the players. Is it cheating? Yes, by definition. But when the league knows it is, and doesn't care, who is really to blame?
Major League Baseball wouldn't be the game it is today without the steroid era. Period.

Yes the league fd up too. They wanted testing sooner but Donald Fehr (possibly one of the worst things to ever happen to mlb) and the players union had way too much power and vetoed it every time it came up for a long time.

Jason P

I still think it's funny that Roger Clemens outsmarted Congress.

(i don't think it is funny that elected leaders put that much effort and time into a who-gives-a-fuck situation)

Wobbie

Degeneratefk said:

pureoc said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Amongst the Ani said:

Damn. Arod retired. Hated the guy but one hell of a player.

Arod and bonds are the two best players I have ever seen

And 2 of the biggest pieces of shit to play the game. Baseball will become a better sport Friday when A Fraud is no longer playing it.

Coukdnt disagree more. The problem lies in that they were BOTH hall of fame players before they used PEDs. I'm of the opinion that the juicers should get in too. No asterisks but with a simple sentence added to the HOF plaque: "this player played in the steroid era." OR "this person tested positive for PEDs." It's that simple.

Bonds was. Not sure Arod was ever clean.

HesCalledDyer

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

it was cheating in the 90's ... there's been a banned substances list since 91 in mlb ... they just didn't start testing until the 2000's ...
i would say cheating is anything that is explicitly written against in a rule book ...

So, because MLB didn't enforce their own rules, the players should be punished? MLB knew damn well what was going on, but they needed tickets sales, viewership, and advertising. So to get those dollars, they turned a blind eye while everyone was hitting the shit out of the ball. It worked in everyone's favor. Baseball and baseball players regained popularity and all made money and the fans got to watch home run derby.
You guys that are so hell-bent on putting asterisks on steroid era players, or discrediting everything they ever did crack me up. The league fucked up, not the players. Is it cheating? Yes, by definition. But when the league knows it is, and doesn't care, who is really to blame?
Major League Baseball wouldn't be the game it is today without the steroid era. Period.

then explain why this chart ... http://www.businessinsider.com/popularity-nfl-mlb-nba-2015-2 shows baseball declining in popularity in the 90's?

this is the crux of cheating ... you are impacting people who had some integrity ... every hr, hit or whatever is invalid ... players who fought for jobs while others cheated may have lost opportunities or contracts ...

you guys can rationalize it however you want ... that's your choice ... it's ok to say you're ok with cheating ... not sure why you guys are so defensive about it ... it's like you know it's wrong so you make up reasons why it's ok ...

That chart is not representative in any way of what I'm talking about. That's just polling what people say is their favorite sport. Baseball ticket sales and viewership still went up.
So are we going to remove everyone from the HOF who played in the 70's and were amped up on speed or coke? Should we negate Doc Ellis' no-hitter because he threw it on acid?

igotid88

people still watch the Olympics. And that's steroid central

polaris_x

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

it was cheating in the 90's ... there's been a banned substances list since 91 in mlb ... they just didn't start testing until the 2000's ...
i would say cheating is anything that is explicitly written against in a rule book ...

So, because MLB didn't enforce their own rules, the players should be punished? MLB knew damn well what was going on, but they needed tickets sales, viewership, and advertising. So to get those dollars, they turned a blind eye while everyone was hitting the shit out of the ball. It worked in everyone's favor. Baseball and baseball players regained popularity and all made money and the fans got to watch home run derby.
You guys that are so hell-bent on putting asterisks on steroid era players, or discrediting everything they ever did crack me up. The league fucked up, not the players. Is it cheating? Yes, by definition. But when the league knows it is, and doesn't care, who is really to blame?
Major League Baseball wouldn't be the game it is today without the steroid era. Period.

then explain why this chart ... http://www.businessinsider.com/popularity-nfl-mlb-nba-2015-2 shows baseball declining in popularity in the 90's?

this is the crux of cheating ... you are impacting people who had some integrity ... every hr, hit or whatever is invalid ... players who fought for jobs while others cheated may have lost opportunities or contracts ...

you guys can rationalize it however you want ... that's your choice ... it's ok to say you're ok with cheating ... not sure why you guys are so defensive about it ... it's like you know it's wrong so you make up reasons why it's ok ...

That chart is not representative in any way of what I'm talking about. That's just polling what people say is their favorite sport. Baseball ticket sales and viewership still went up.
So are we going to remove everyone from the HOF who played in the 70's and were amped up on speed or coke? Should we negate Doc Ellis' no-hitter because he threw it on acid?

baseball viewership and ticket sales is up now ... in an era where it's expected players aren't cheating ... also, a lot of people got turned off baseball during the revelation of the use of drugs ...

dude ... two wrongs don't make a right ... so, someone pitched on acid years ago = steroids ok? ... again - rationalize it all you want ... if you're ok with peeps cheating - that's your choice ...

polaris_x

igotid88 said:

people still watch the Olympics. And that's steroid central

these athletes are the most tested ... for sure cheaters are gonna find ways but as you can see from the retesting from London - you'll eventually get caught ... and cheaters are universally vilified in olympic sports ... just look at the booing of russian athletes and the comments from US athletes about cheaters ...

F Me In The Brain

polaris_x said:

igotid88 said:

people still watch the Olympics. And that's steroid central

these athletes are the most tested ... for sure cheaters are gonna find ways but as you can see from the retesting from London - you'll eventually get caught ... and cheaters are universally vilified in olympic sports ... just look at the booing of russian athletes and the comments from US athletes about cheaters ...

The IOC is a bunch of rotten cock-bags and people still watch, mostly turning a blind eye to what goes on prior to the games being played. They don't care about the atheletes, it is a big joke. While they may test to catch the cheaters, the IOC themselves put entertainment higher than humanity and the world eats it up.

Baseball should be an Olympic sport again. If Canoe Sprinting and Rhythmic Gymnastics are in....bring baseball back!

Degeneratefk

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

it was cheating in the 90's ... there's been a banned substances list since 91 in mlb ... they just didn't start testing until the 2000's ...
i would say cheating is anything that is explicitly written against in a rule book ...

So, because MLB didn't enforce their own rules, the players should be punished? MLB knew damn well what was going on, but they needed tickets sales, viewership, and advertising. So to get those dollars, they turned a blind eye while everyone was hitting the shit out of the ball. It worked in everyone's favor. Baseball and baseball players regained popularity and all made money and the fans got to watch home run derby.
You guys that are so hell-bent on putting asterisks on steroid era players, or discrediting everything they ever did crack me up. The league fucked up, not the players. Is it cheating? Yes, by definition. But when the league knows it is, and doesn't care, who is really to blame?
Major League Baseball wouldn't be the game it is today without the steroid era. Period.

then explain why this chart ... http://www.businessinsider.com/popularity-nfl-mlb-nba-2015-2 shows baseball declining in popularity in the 90's?

this is the crux of cheating ... you are impacting people who had some integrity ... every hr, hit or whatever is invalid ... players who fought for jobs while others cheated may have lost opportunities or contracts ...

you guys can rationalize it however you want ... that's your choice ... it's ok to say you're ok with cheating ... not sure why you guys are so defensive about it ... it's like you know it's wrong so you make up reasons why it's ok ...

That chart is not representative in any way of what I'm talking about. That's just polling what people say is their favorite sport. Baseball ticket sales and viewership still went up.
So are we going to remove everyone from the HOF who played in the 70's and were amped up on speed or coke? Should we negate Doc Ellis' no-hitter because he threw it on acid?

baseball viewership and ticket sales is up now ... in an era where it's expected players aren't cheating ... also, a lot of people got turned off baseball during the revelation of the use of drugs ...

dude ... two wrongs don't make a right ... so, someone pitched on acid years ago = steroids ok? ... again - rationalize it all you want ... if you're ok with peeps cheating - that's your choice ...

Baseball was down after the strike. 2 things brought baseball back afterwards: 1) Cal Ripkens iron man streak (if anyone think RipKen did use steroids, they are naive) and 2) Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire in 98. By then, it was well known that people juiced. And people didn't give a fuck. They wanted to see homeruns. And it wasn't just the hitters. Pitchers were juicing too. That's not a rationalization. It's a fact. Attendance was up across the league. I can remember numbers up 70 or 75% of players that used. I don't know how accurate that number was, but it wasn't surprising.

It's ok with me that you consider it cheating. It is. That doesn't mean they should be excluded as the greats of the game.

Degeneratefk

Wobbie said:

Degeneratefk said:

pureoc said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Amongst the Ani said:

Damn. Arod retired. Hated the guy but one hell of a player.

Arod and bonds are the two best players I have ever seen

And 2 of the biggest pieces of shit to play the game. Baseball will become a better sport Friday when A Fraud is no longer playing it.

Coukdnt disagree more. The problem lies in that they were BOTH hall of fame players before they used PEDs. I'm of the opinion that the juicers should get in too. No asterisks but with a simple sentence added to the HOF plaque: "this player played in the steroid era." OR "this person tested positive for PEDs." It's that simple.

Bonds was. Not sure Arod was ever clean.

Just look at him in seattle compared to Texas and you can clearly see he wasn't juicing in seattle.

HesCalledDyer

Degeneratefk said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

it was cheating in the 90's ... there's been a banned substances list since 91 in mlb ... they just didn't start testing until the 2000's ...
i would say cheating is anything that is explicitly written against in a rule book ...

So, because MLB didn't enforce their own rules, the players should be punished? MLB knew damn well what was going on, but they needed tickets sales, viewership, and advertising. So to get those dollars, they turned a blind eye while everyone was hitting the shit out of the ball. It worked in everyone's favor. Baseball and baseball players regained popularity and all made money and the fans got to watch home run derby.
You guys that are so hell-bent on putting asterisks on steroid era players, or discrediting everything they ever did crack me up. The league fucked up, not the players. Is it cheating? Yes, by definition. But when the league knows it is, and doesn't care, who is really to blame?
Major League Baseball wouldn't be the game it is today without the steroid era. Period.

then explain why this chart ... http://www.businessinsider.com/popularity-nfl-mlb-nba-2015-2 shows baseball declining in popularity in the 90's?

this is the crux of cheating ... you are impacting people who had some integrity ... every hr, hit or whatever is invalid ... players who fought for jobs while others cheated may have lost opportunities or contracts ...

you guys can rationalize it however you want ... that's your choice ... it's ok to say you're ok with cheating ... not sure why you guys are so defensive about it ... it's like you know it's wrong so you make up reasons why it's ok ...

That chart is not representative in any way of what I'm talking about. That's just polling what people say is their favorite sport. Baseball ticket sales and viewership still went up.
So are we going to remove everyone from the HOF who played in the 70's and were amped up on speed or coke? Should we negate Doc Ellis' no-hitter because he threw it on acid?

baseball viewership and ticket sales is up now ... in an era where it's expected players aren't cheating ... also, a lot of people got turned off baseball during the revelation of the use of drugs ...

dude ... two wrongs don't make a right ... so, someone pitched on acid years ago = steroids ok? ... again - rationalize it all you want ... if you're ok with peeps cheating - that's your choice ...

Baseball was down after the strike. 2 things brought baseball back afterwards: 1) Cal Ripkens iron man streak (if anyone think RipKen did use steroids, they are naive) and 2) Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire in 98. By then, it was well known that people juiced. And people didn't give a fuck. They wanted to see homeruns. And it wasn't just the hitters. Pitchers were juicing too. That's not a rationalization. It's a fact. Attendance was up across the league. I can remember numbers up 70 or 75% of players that used. I don't know how accurate that number was, but it wasn't surprising.

It's ok with me that you consider it cheating. It is. That doesn't mean they should be excluded as the greats of the game.

Bingo!

Degeneratefk

Stealing signs isn't a written rule. If you get caught, you get one in the ear hole next time up. It's not cheating, but it's frowned upon. The same concept applies to the steroid era. Only difference is it wasn't frowned upon until the CBA allowed drug testing. Most fans are apologetic. Bonds doesn't get a pass because he was a dick well before he ever juiced. He was always the villian. Guys like Andy Petitte, Mcguire, Manny Ramirez, hell, even ARod got a pass. All great players.

Wobbie

steroids are science...like arthroscopic surgery, tommy john surgery, etc.