MLB 2025 Season

mookieblalock

8 years for Max Fried is bananas for a guy that was predicted to get 5 years. The pitching market has jumped the shark.

F Me In The Brain

mookieblalock said:

perfectlefts14 said:

If there was ever a player who deserved 765 million dollars, it is bartolo colon.

The Ass Man abides

Cliffy6745

Good morning, Mets fans, who have the 2nd best right fielder in NY

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

Wobbie said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mookieblalock said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mookieblalock said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mookieblalock said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mookieblalock said:

Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years. 

Say that out loud Yankee fans.

That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact. 

You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.

At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.

He makes more w less years.  How is that NOT for the money?

It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.  

Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact.  After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works 

I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.

We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees. 

He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.

Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.

The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.

So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.

This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.

Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.

Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.

they should let them grow facial hair, too.

Most ridiculous team rule in all of organized sports. It's not 1958 anymore, no need to enforce clean shaven buzz cut wearing robots as players.

This actually one of my fav things the Yankees do.

You can have facial hair just nothing below the lip line. Think of cops, firemen, military.  All business looking.

tempo_n_groove

Cliffy6745 said:

Good morning, Mets fans, who have the 2nd best right fielder in NY

Thats fair.  Judge is first right?

Cliffy6745

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Good morning, Mets fans, who have the 2nd best right fielder in NY

Thats fair.  Judge is first right?

Yes, now that he's moving back.

Lerxst1992

Cliffy6745 said:

lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sports 

Most experts believe he will not take the risk to open up the contract before we count the last $40.. If we pull an Ohtani and present value the $40 million risk to open up the deal, it's only worth $23M. Fact is, he got something of significant value TO HIM, that the Yanks refused to offer.

Wobbie

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

Wobbie said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mookieblalock said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mookieblalock said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mookieblalock said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mookieblalock said:

Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years. 

Say that out loud Yankee fans.

That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact. 

You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.

At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.

He makes more w less years.  How is that NOT for the money?

It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.  

Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact.  After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works 

I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.

We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees. 

He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.

Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.

The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.

So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.

This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.

Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.

Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.

they should let them grow facial hair, too.

Most ridiculous team rule in all of organized sports. It's not 1958 anymore, no need to enforce clean shaven buzz cut wearing robots as players.

This actually one of my fav things the Yankees do.

You can have facial hair just nothing below the lip line. Think of cops, firemen, military.  All business looking.

half the cops in Utah have beards. For firefighters, it’s about the SCBA seal.

Lerxst1992

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Good morning, Mets fans, who have the 2nd best right fielder in NY

Thats fair.  Judge is first right?

Yes, now that he's moving back.

Enjoy.

Cliffy6745

Just like KD on the Nets. Enjoy.

Lerxst1992

mookieblalock said:

perfectlefts14 said:

If there was ever a player who deserved 765 million dollars, it is bartolo colon.

Best 43 yo pitcher at citifield!

Lerxst1992

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sports 

Lol seriously, I mean I'll buy Cohen is willing to do whatever it takes to make things happen. But at the end of the day that's because of dollars.

Well then you need to cut the dollars spent in half because this signing has double the value as it weakens the Yankees as much as it improves the Mets. Since Cohen is hell bent on a championship, the Yanks are a significant barrier to that, even given their weak .184 post season right fielder.

Cliffy6745

Lerxst1992 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sports 

Lol seriously, I mean I'll buy Cohen is willing to do whatever it takes to make things happen. But at the end of the day that's because of dollars.

Well then you need to cut the dollars spent in half because this signing has double the value as it weakens the Yankees as much as it improves the Mets. Since Cohen is hell bent on a championship, the Yanks are a significant barrier to that, even given their weak .184 post season right fielder.

Mets have no path out of the NL, so you don't need to worry about the Yankees in the World Series

Lerxst1992

Cliffy6745 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sports 

Lol seriously, I mean I'll buy Cohen is willing to do whatever it takes to make things happen. But at the end of the day that's because of dollars.

Well then you need to cut the dollars spent in half because this signing has double the value as it weakens the Yankees as much as it improves the Mets. Since Cohen is hell bent on a championship, the Yanks are a significant barrier to that, even given their weak .184 post season right fielder.

Mets have no path out of the NL, so you don't need to worry about the Yankees in the World Series

Haha, I guess we should listen to all the expert predictors who two months ago urged everyone to sell google with their antitrust loss. Then this week they announce a transformational improvement to computing power, and now at a record high.

Mets took LA to six with barely an appearance from their ace pitcher. Yanks next year? Without Mr 184's protection in the lineup?

Poncier

Soto chose the Mets over the Yanks because they showed him video of spring training drills where they teach their pitchers to cover first base on ground balls.

tempo_n_groove

Wobbie said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

Wobbie said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mookieblalock said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mookieblalock said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mookieblalock said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mookieblalock said:

Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years. 

Say that out loud Yankee fans.

That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact. 

You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.

At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.

He makes more w less years.  How is that NOT for the money?

It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.  

Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact.  After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works 

I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.

We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees. 

He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.

Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.

The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.

So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.

This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.

Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.

Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.

they should let them grow facial hair, too.

Most ridiculous team rule in all of organized sports. It's not 1958 anymore, no need to enforce clean shaven buzz cut wearing robots as players.

This actually one of my fav things the Yankees do.

You can have facial hair just nothing below the lip line. Think of cops, firemen, military.  All business looking.

half the cops in Utah have beards. For firefighters, it’s about the SCBA seal.

Our cops do not and none from the 70-20110's did either.  Last couple of years they have laxed some.

Whodathunk that Utah would be progressive?

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

Soto chose the Mets over the Yanks because they showed him video of spring training drills where they teach their pitchers to cover first base on ground balls.

This made me laugh.  Good dig.

tempo_n_groove

So in the end, the "perks" Soto received is what sold him to the mets.  Notice how i say "sold".  It was about the money.  That suite costs 500k a year or so.  Thats a a big perk.

Poncier

tempo_n_groove said:

  Thats a big perk.

Wobbie

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

  Thats a big perk.

love that dude. straight country.