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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,261
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Holy jeebus.  These contracts are wild in how long they have to offer in order to land the star players.
    Not too long ago the owners said they were stopping that.  Guess they changed their minds?

    So lets see how the big contracts went so far?

    Albert Pujols
    Alex Rodriguez 2009 WS
    Bobby Bonds
    Christian Yelich
    Mike Trout
    Jacob Degrom
    Anthony Rendon
    Miguel Cabrera
    Shohei Ohtani 2024 WS
    Wander Franco...

    There are more I'm sure but these come straight to mind.  Only 2 WS among them.  Strasburg and Rodon might be up there too?

    I assume you meant Barry Bonds. His contracts were:

    6 yrs/$43M
    2 yrs/$23M
    5 yrs/$90M
    1 yr/$16M

    AAV = $12M/yr

    I'd say there's nothing wrong with that for one of the three best players to ever play the game.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,564
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years. 

    Say that out loud Yankee fans.
    That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact. 
    You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.

    At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
    He makes more w less years.  How is that NOT for the money?
    It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.  
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    edited December 2024
    mookieblalock said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years. 

    Say that out loud Yankee fans.
    That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact. 
    You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.

    At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
    He makes more w less years.  How is that NOT for the money?
    It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.  
    2040 will never happen.  He can opt out after 5 and 10 years.
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,564
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mookieblalock said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years. 

    Say that out loud Yankee fans.
    That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact. 
    You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.

    At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
    He makes more w less years.  How is that NOT for the money?
    It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.  
    2040 will never happen.  He can opt out after 5 and 10 years.
    Nobody in the baseball community (former GM’s, reporters, etc.) thinks he’s going to opt out. If you think that, then you should think the Yankees are fools for not matching a 5 year 255 million dollar contract.
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,261
    Where does Sasaki sign? The who’s not who’s of MLB have the most pool money, or whatever it’s known as.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    mookieblalock said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years. 

    Say that out loud Yankee fans.
    That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact. 
    You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.

    At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
    He makes more w less years.  How is that NOT for the money?
    It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.  
    Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact.  After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works 
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,564
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years. 

    Say that out loud Yankee fans.
    That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact. 
    You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.

    At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
    He makes more w less years.  How is that NOT for the money?
    It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.  
    Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact.  After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works 
    I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.

    We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees. 
  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,230
    tempo_n_groove said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Wobbie said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    cutz said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Wobbie said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    lol thank God we all agree w this being a travesty.
    a traveshamockery.

    I have the feeling Soto is NOT going back to the Yankees…
    Where would he go to?  Come to the Halos so we can have one of the best and still suck!

    Boston?  Nope.
    Toronto?  Big nope but would LOVE that move.
    Dodgers?  No way they can afford that.
    Mets? C'mon.  
    KC would be another great move but that ain't happening.

    He'll go whichever team offers the Highest Contract. Simple as that?
    I guess playing for a contender has all but lost its muster?
    Your list is all legit or semi-legit contenders. It’s not like we’re talking about the Rockies.

    or Halos! Sorry, couldn’t resist.
    Thats why i said Yankees, Jays and Royals would be good fits. Boston and Mets I just don't see.  The Mets are like the Knicks, all talk about getting someone but can never seal the deal.
    I will gladly eat these words.

    Still can't believe the Mets landed him...
    With Cohen's money, I believed it when I saw that he signed with the NYM.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years. 

    Say that out loud Yankee fans.
    That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact. 
    You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.

    At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
    He makes more w less years.  How is that NOT for the money?
    It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.  
    Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact.  After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works 
    I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.

    We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees. 
    He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,564
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years. 

    Say that out loud Yankee fans.
    That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact. 
    You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.

    At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
    He makes more w less years.  How is that NOT for the money?
    It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.  
    Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact.  After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works 
    I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.

    We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees. 
    He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
    Ok
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it.  Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,564
    edited December 2024
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it.  Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
    The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.


  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,998
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it.  Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
    What do you mean?  We solved 9/11 by attacking Iraq and Afghanistan :anguished:

    Anyway... I get happier with Acuna's contract with each passing year (when he's healthy) 
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it.  Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
    The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.


    I don’t have a problem with it! Yankees could spend just as much and should. Hal sucks in general though I don’t totally blame him for this one. 

    My only gripe with any of the spending is that LAD doesn’t get an accurate luxury tax bill now, which is BS. 
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,564
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it.  Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
    The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.


    I don’t have a problem with it! Yankees could spend just as much and should. Hal sucks in general though I don’t totally blame him for this one. 

    My only gripe with any of the spending is that LAD doesn’t get an accurate luxury tax bill now, which is BS. 
    They do. It’s based on present day value, so Ohtani’s contract impact on their payroll (luxury tax) last year was 46 million. It wasn’t the 2 million they actually paid him last season. 
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,261
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it.  Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
    The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.




    My only gripe with any of the spending is that LAD doesn’t get an accurate luxury tax bill now, which is BS. 
    Manfred is just as bad as Bud.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it.  Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
    The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.


    I don’t have a problem with it! Yankees could spend just as much and should. Hal sucks in general though I don’t totally blame him for this one. 

    My only gripe with any of the spending is that LAD doesn’t get an accurate luxury tax bill now, which is BS. 
    They do. It’s based on present day value, so Ohtani’s contract impact on their payroll (luxury tax) last year was 46 million. It wasn’t the 2 million they actually paid him last season. 
    Yeah it’s bullshit.
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,564
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it.  Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
    The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.


    I don’t have a problem with it! Yankees could spend just as much and should. Hal sucks in general though I don’t totally blame him for this one. 

    My only gripe with any of the spending is that LAD doesn’t get an accurate luxury tax bill now, which is BS. 
    They do. It’s based on present day value, so Ohtani’s contract impact on their payroll (luxury tax) last year was 46 million. It wasn’t the 2 million they actually paid him last season. 
    Yeah it’s bullshit.
    Bobby Boniila’s salary still counts against the luxury tax for the Mets. Equally as nuts. 

    I think at some point kicking the can down the road will come back to bite the Dodgers.
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,261
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mookieblalock said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it.  Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
    The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.


    I don’t have a problem with it! Yankees could spend just as much and should. Hal sucks in general though I don’t totally blame him for this one. 

    My only gripe with any of the spending is that LAD doesn’t get an accurate luxury tax bill now, which is BS. 
    They do. It’s based on present day value, so Ohtani’s contract impact on their payroll (luxury tax) last year was 46 million. It wasn’t the 2 million they actually paid him last season. 
    Yeah it’s bullshit.


    I think at some point kicking the can down the road will come back to bite the Dodgers.
    Unfortunately, I doubt it.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,626
    Poncier said:
    Wobbie said:
    maybe if donnie was the manager…
    He'd have signed for veteran minimum.
    You know it 
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