MLB 2025 Season

tempo_n_groove

Ledbetterman10 said:

I have to say, and Smoltz mentioned it too, I was pretty impressed with the Arizona fans being into the game throughout even though they were getting killed. World Series appearances don't come around too often, enjoy them when you get them.

Citizens Bank Park would probably be a ghost town by the 6th inning if the Phillies were getting beat that badly. 

Absolutely!  Crowd was great there, good for them.

Smoltz w the call when Thomas, then the ump got hit in the nuts w the ball "Nobodys safe out there"  lol.

The Juggler

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history?fbclid=IwAR2-PVqZGqDU0CCZ4TYTDY27y4u4Ko5yndryi9cd8wEW5eYKvdO7r95Ryhw

Called it.

Gets worse too:
https://frontofficesports.com/world-series-tv-viewership-continues-to-reach-new-lows/


I watched more NBA than I did World Series tonight.

15 million watched that Raiders game? Really?  Dear lord.

So Baseball has 8 million viewers.  Don't blame it on not having Harper like the article says.  Didn't they have Harper one year w a low rating too?

I see it as good.  At least they still have viewership.  They just need to get some momentum with it.

Baseball does a pisspoor job at promoting players and their brands.  Jung and Carroll should have been celebrated all year but they didn't do squat for them.  

Espns coverage of baseball is pathetic.  They push NFL all year long and probably because they have them on their tv schedule.  I see more Hockey shows than baseball shows on ESPN...  MLB needs to get in bed w them to get some more viewership.

Ohtani and Judge can't be the only 2 players they care about.  Bring back TWIB to show highlights.

Thoughts?

Oh yeah.  Good game last night.  Yes I enjoyed it.

Last year's World Series averaged 4 more million viewers than this years'.
https://www.mlb.com/news/2022-world-series-tv-ratings-and-viewership

Poncier

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history?fbclid=IwAR2-PVqZGqDU0CCZ4TYTDY27y4u4Ko5yndryi9cd8wEW5eYKvdO7r95Ryhw

Called it.

Gets worse too:
https://frontofficesports.com/world-series-tv-viewership-continues-to-reach-new-lows/


I watched more NBA than I did World Series tonight.

   Bring back TWIB to show highlights.

Thoughts?
 

My thought is that TWIB comment makes you sound decades older than Wobbie.
Highlights are instantly available to all on the internet as well as shortly after games end on ESPN and MLB Network and numerous other TV options.
But you want to bring back a show that plays highlights a week after the fact?

tempo_n_groove

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history?fbclid=IwAR2-PVqZGqDU0CCZ4TYTDY27y4u4Ko5yndryi9cd8wEW5eYKvdO7r95Ryhw

Called it.

Gets worse too:
https://frontofficesports.com/world-series-tv-viewership-continues-to-reach-new-lows/


I watched more NBA than I did World Series tonight.

15 million watched that Raiders game? Really?  Dear lord.

So Baseball has 8 million viewers.  Don't blame it on not having Harper like the article says.  Didn't they have Harper one year w a low rating too?

I see it as good.  At least they still have viewership.  They just need to get some momentum with it.

Baseball does a pisspoor job at promoting players and their brands.  Jung and Carroll should have been celebrated all year but they didn't do squat for them.  

Espns coverage of baseball is pathetic.  They push NFL all year long and probably because they have them on their tv schedule.  I see more Hockey shows than baseball shows on ESPN...  MLB needs to get in bed w them to get some more viewership.

Ohtani and Judge can't be the only 2 players they care about.  Bring back TWIB to show highlights.

Thoughts?

Oh yeah.  Good game last night.  Yes I enjoyed it.

Last year's World Series averaged 4 more million viewers than this years'.
https://www.mlb.com/news/2022-world-series-tv-ratings-and-viewership

Again, see my other reasoning for it.  I listed quite a few of them...

Johnny Abruzzo

Not responding to dumb trolling above.

Wobbie

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history?fbclid=IwAR2-PVqZGqDU0CCZ4TYTDY27y4u4Ko5yndryi9cd8wEW5eYKvdO7r95Ryhw

Called it.

Gets worse too:
https://frontofficesports.com/world-series-tv-viewership-continues-to-reach-new-lows/


I watched more NBA than I did World Series tonight.

   Bring back TWIB to show highlights.

Thoughts?
 

My thought is that TWIB comment makes you sound decades older than Wobbie.

hey, now!

tempo_n_groove

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Not responding to dumb trolling above.

Huh?

Wobbie

tempo_n_groove said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Not responding to dumb trolling above.

Huh?

possibly the CBP being empty comment.

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history?fbclid=IwAR2-PVqZGqDU0CCZ4TYTDY27y4u4Ko5yndryi9cd8wEW5eYKvdO7r95Ryhw

Called it.

Gets worse too:
https://frontofficesports.com/world-series-tv-viewership-continues-to-reach-new-lows/


I watched more NBA than I did World Series tonight.

   Bring back TWIB to show highlights.

Thoughts?
 

My thought is that TWIB comment makes you sound decades older than Wobbie.
Highlights are instantly available to all on the internet as well as shortly after games end on ESPN and MLB Network and numerous other TV options.
But you want to bring back a show that plays highlights a week after the fact?

OK so here me out.

U can watch highlights, as long as u watch a 15 second ad for a 5 second clip.  You know how many highlights I end up watching?  Basically none. NFL has U got mossed and such and talks about the past big plays so why not a baseball show?  NBA does it too.  So give it a different name.

Hey its an idea.  What do u propose?

Baseball needs a show discussing baseball and its players.  You have NFL Live, Primetime, Matchup, NBA Countdown NBA Today etc etc but you have Sunday night baseball, thats it...  I love hearing Kurkjian and Olney talk about baseball.  I miss Gammons, Ravech sucks and Passan has his moments.

Go over to Fox and u have Rosenthal whom I enjoy. The shows aren't bad either .

MLB brought back Harold Reynolds so that has been better. I love their minor league reports.

The Juggler

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history?fbclid=IwAR2-PVqZGqDU0CCZ4TYTDY27y4u4Ko5yndryi9cd8wEW5eYKvdO7r95Ryhw

Called it.

Gets worse too:
https://frontofficesports.com/world-series-tv-viewership-continues-to-reach-new-lows/


I watched more NBA than I did World Series tonight.

15 million watched that Raiders game? Really?  Dear lord.

So Baseball has 8 million viewers.  Don't blame it on not having Harper like the article says.  Didn't they have Harper one year w a low rating too?

I see it as good.  At least they still have viewership.  They just need to get some momentum with it.

Baseball does a pisspoor job at promoting players and their brands.  Jung and Carroll should have been celebrated all year but they didn't do squat for them.  

Espns coverage of baseball is pathetic.  They push NFL all year long and probably because they have them on their tv schedule.  I see more Hockey shows than baseball shows on ESPN...  MLB needs to get in bed w them to get some more viewership.

Ohtani and Judge can't be the only 2 players they care about.  Bring back TWIB to show highlights.

Thoughts?

Oh yeah.  Good game last night.  Yes I enjoyed it.

Last year's World Series averaged 4 more million viewers than this years'.
https://www.mlb.com/news/2022-world-series-tv-ratings-and-viewership

Again, see my other reasoning for it.  I listed quite a few of them...

You asked if they had low ratings last year too. They did. But still had 4 million more viewers. I knew this would be less and the reasoning is what I said last week. Lack of star players and nobody cares about these two teams outside of Texas and Arizona. Baseball is much more regionalized now than it was in the past. Plus, obviously, tv ratings for most everything are down. 

Agree on the ESPN coverage and baseball's poor job at marketing. I would definitely watch TWIB but that's not going to increase tv ratings significantly. Kids like other sports more nowadays. 

Jearlpam0925

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history?fbclid=IwAR2-PVqZGqDU0CCZ4TYTDY27y4u4Ko5yndryi9cd8wEW5eYKvdO7r95Ryhw

Called it.

Gets worse too:
https://frontofficesports.com/world-series-tv-viewership-continues-to-reach-new-lows/


I watched more NBA than I did World Series tonight.

   Bring back TWIB to show highlights.

Thoughts?
 

My thought is that TWIB comment makes you sound decades older than Wobbie.
Highlights are instantly available to all on the internet as well as shortly after games end on ESPN and MLB Network and numerous other TV options.
But you want to bring back a show that plays highlights a week after the fact?

lol this is hysterical

tempo_n_groove

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history?fbclid=IwAR2-PVqZGqDU0CCZ4TYTDY27y4u4Ko5yndryi9cd8wEW5eYKvdO7r95Ryhw

Called it.

Gets worse too:
https://frontofficesports.com/world-series-tv-viewership-continues-to-reach-new-lows/


I watched more NBA than I did World Series tonight.

15 million watched that Raiders game? Really?  Dear lord.

So Baseball has 8 million viewers.  Don't blame it on not having Harper like the article says.  Didn't they have Harper one year w a low rating too?

I see it as good.  At least they still have viewership.  They just need to get some momentum with it.

Baseball does a pisspoor job at promoting players and their brands.  Jung and Carroll should have been celebrated all year but they didn't do squat for them.  

Espns coverage of baseball is pathetic.  They push NFL all year long and probably because they have them on their tv schedule.  I see more Hockey shows than baseball shows on ESPN...  MLB needs to get in bed w them to get some more viewership.

Ohtani and Judge can't be the only 2 players they care about.  Bring back TWIB to show highlights.

Thoughts?

Oh yeah.  Good game last night.  Yes I enjoyed it.

Last year's World Series averaged 4 more million viewers than this years'.
https://www.mlb.com/news/2022-world-series-tv-ratings-and-viewership

Again, see my other reasoning for it.  I listed quite a few of them...

You asked if they had low ratings last year too. They did. But still had 4 million more viewers. I knew this would be less and the reasoning is what I said last week. Lack of star players and nobody cares about these two teams outside of Texas and Arizona. Baseball is much more regionalized now than it was in the past. Plus, obviously, tv ratings for most everything are down. 

Agree on the ESPN coverage and baseball's poor job at marketing. I would definitely watch TWIB but that's not going to increase tv ratings significantly. Kids like other sports more nowadays. 

Give them a reason.  Explain why launch angle and MPH a ball is hit matters and how a HR actually happens.

I went to a Mets game because they were playing my Halos.  We stayed until the 9th to see a final AB by Shohei.  They walked his ass, we walked out, lol.

As we left the Mets fans were all yelling the same thing, "boo" and "who do u think we came to see?".  If you have players like this it will make people interested.

Toronto has Bo Bichette and Vlad Guerrero, great players.
Seager has been in purgatory until now in Texas.
Alvarez for the Astros is literally one of the best players in baseball and gets zero love.
Pete Alonso has hit more HR than anyone the past few years and no one cares... Mets have a great RC Japanese pitcher in Senga and no one outside of NY has even heard of him.
Padres have a hell of a team that can't do shit together.
St Louis same thing.
Cubs had Canairio come up.  Well they do have Alcantara to look forward to also and that Suzuki kid wasn't bad.

There are tons of stories out there that Baseball doesn't showcase.

tempo_n_groove

Jearlpam0925 said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history?fbclid=IwAR2-PVqZGqDU0CCZ4TYTDY27y4u4Ko5yndryi9cd8wEW5eYKvdO7r95Ryhw

Called it.

Gets worse too:
https://frontofficesports.com/world-series-tv-viewership-continues-to-reach-new-lows/


I watched more NBA than I did World Series tonight.

   Bring back TWIB to show highlights.

Thoughts?
 

My thought is that TWIB comment makes you sound decades older than Wobbie.
Highlights are instantly available to all on the internet as well as shortly after games end on ESPN and MLB Network and numerous other TV options.
But you want to bring back a show that plays highlights a week after the fact?

lol this is hysterical

And I replied to it giving reasoning.

Wobbie

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history?fbclid=IwAR2-PVqZGqDU0CCZ4TYTDY27y4u4Ko5yndryi9cd8wEW5eYKvdO7r95Ryhw

Called it.

Gets worse too:
https://frontofficesports.com/world-series-tv-viewership-continues-to-reach-new-lows/


I watched more NBA than I did World Series tonight.

15 million watched that Raiders game? Really?  Dear lord.

So Baseball has 8 million viewers.  Don't blame it on not having Harper like the article says.  Didn't they have Harper one year w a low rating too?

I see it as good.  At least they still have viewership.  They just need to get some momentum with it.

Baseball does a pisspoor job at promoting players and their brands.  Jung and Carroll should have been celebrated all year but they didn't do squat for them.  

Espns coverage of baseball is pathetic.  They push NFL all year long and probably because they have them on their tv schedule.  I see more Hockey shows than baseball shows on ESPN...  MLB needs to get in bed w them to get some more viewership.

Ohtani and Judge can't be the only 2 players they care about.  Bring back TWIB to show highlights.

Thoughts?

Oh yeah.  Good game last night.  Yes I enjoyed it.

Last year's World Series averaged 4 more million viewers than this years'.
https://www.mlb.com/news/2022-world-series-tv-ratings-and-viewership

Again, see my other reasoning for it.  I listed quite a few of them...

You asked if they had low ratings last year too. They did. But still had 4 million more viewers. I knew this would be less and the reasoning is what I said last week. Lack of star players and nobody cares about these two teams outside of Texas and Arizona. Baseball is much more regionalized now than it was in the past. Plus, obviously, tv ratings for most everything are down. 

Agree on the ESPN coverage and baseball's poor job at marketing. I would definitely watch TWIB but that's not going to increase tv ratings significantly. Kids like other sports more nowadays. 

Toronto has Bo Bichette and Vlad Guerrero, great players.
Pete Alonso has hit more HR than anyone the past few years and no one cares... Mets have a great RC Japanese pitcher in Senga and no one outside of NY has even heard of him.
Padres have a hell of a team that can't do shit together.


There are tons of stories out there that Baseball doesn't showcase.

vlad is a one trick pony...and his one trick is on the decline.

I want Alonso on my Giants.

Fuck SD.

Johnny Abruzzo

I think TWIB would be cool. The whole point is that hardly anyone watches the games or the instantly available highlights. You generally have to sit through a 30 second ad to watch each and every 20 second highlight, by the way.

tempo_n_groove

Johnny Abruzzo said:

I think TWIB would be cool. The whole point is that hardly anyone watches the games or the instantly available highlights. You generally have to sit through a 30 second ad to watch each and every 20 second highlight, by the way.

I literally brought this up a few posts ago. Glad someone else sees this too.

The Juggler

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history?fbclid=IwAR2-PVqZGqDU0CCZ4TYTDY27y4u4Ko5yndryi9cd8wEW5eYKvdO7r95Ryhw

Called it.

Gets worse too:
https://frontofficesports.com/world-series-tv-viewership-continues-to-reach-new-lows/


I watched more NBA than I did World Series tonight.

15 million watched that Raiders game? Really?  Dear lord.

So Baseball has 8 million viewers.  Don't blame it on not having Harper like the article says.  Didn't they have Harper one year w a low rating too?

I see it as good.  At least they still have viewership.  They just need to get some momentum with it.

Baseball does a pisspoor job at promoting players and their brands.  Jung and Carroll should have been celebrated all year but they didn't do squat for them.  

Espns coverage of baseball is pathetic.  They push NFL all year long and probably because they have them on their tv schedule.  I see more Hockey shows than baseball shows on ESPN...  MLB needs to get in bed w them to get some more viewership.

Ohtani and Judge can't be the only 2 players they care about.  Bring back TWIB to show highlights.

Thoughts?

Oh yeah.  Good game last night.  Yes I enjoyed it.

Last year's World Series averaged 4 more million viewers than this years'.
https://www.mlb.com/news/2022-world-series-tv-ratings-and-viewership

Again, see my other reasoning for it.  I listed quite a few of them...

You asked if they had low ratings last year too. They did. But still had 4 million more viewers. I knew this would be less and the reasoning is what I said last week. Lack of star players and nobody cares about these two teams outside of Texas and Arizona. Baseball is much more regionalized now than it was in the past. Plus, obviously, tv ratings for most everything are down. 

Agree on the ESPN coverage and baseball's poor job at marketing. I would definitely watch TWIB but that's not going to increase tv ratings significantly. Kids like other sports more nowadays. 

Give them a reason.  Explain why launch angle and MPH a ball is hit matters and how a HR actually happens.

I went to a Mets game because they were playing my Halos.  We stayed until the 9th to see a final AB by Shohei.  They walked his ass, we walked out, lol.

As we left the Mets fans were all yelling the same thing, "boo" and "who do u think we came to see?".  If you have players like this it will make people interested.

Toronto has Bo Bichette and Vlad Guerrero, great players.
Seager has been in purgatory until now in Texas.
Alvarez for the Astros is literally one of the best players in baseball and gets zero love.
Pete Alonso has hit more HR than anyone the past few years and no one cares... Mets have a great RC Japanese pitcher in Senga and no one outside of NY has even heard of him.
Padres have a hell of a team that can't do shit together.
St Louis same thing.
Cubs had Canairio come up.  Well they do have Alcantara to look forward to also and that Suzuki kid wasn't bad.

There are tons of stories out there that Baseball doesn't showcase.

Baseball has struggled to promote their players for decades. It's not a new problem. I don't think teaching about launch angle will do anything. The more older people hear about that stuff it turns them off actually. 

I do think the rule changes this year made the game more entertaining to watch. No doubt about it. So that is a step in the right direction. 

But part of the problem with the modern game is nobody wants to see bullpen games and everyone hates that most pitchers can't seem to hang for more than a couple runs through the order. That turns people off. I understand the reasoning for why managers do this but it's not what fans want to see. Literally everyone I know pines for the days when pitchers routinely went 7+ innings and bitches and complains that managers are over managing (most of these people I am talking about think it's just the Phillies who do this, which also speaks to the regionality in that they don't watch enough other teams to realize that is how the game is now). 

And the regionality thing has been baked in for multiple decades now. Even last year when we did have more star players and bigger markets, it still only drew 12 million viewers. Baseball is just not as popular, nationally, as it once was.

So this year's WS was just destined to draw way less. 

Poncier

TWIB was from a time when viewers had no access to footage from games outside of their local market or the national broadcast like Monday Night Baseball (that's how far back we're talking). So, the only way a guy in NYC would see what Dave Winfield did with the Padres (again, this is how far back we are talking), he could watch TWIB on Saturday afternoon before the Yanks' game came on.
It's like saying we should go back to just having the 3 TV networks plus a few local UHF stations. 

All the content a show like that had is readily available immediately. And as Juggler mentioned, kids these days will have no interest in something like TWIB. They want to check their phone and see how the LF on their fantasy team did that day, they don't care about seeing the catch he made up against the wall six days prior (cause if they wanted to see it, they saw it 6 days ago on their phone).

The Juggler

There was a newer version of TWIB that aired on Fox before their Saturday telecast back in the 2000's and early 2010's ish. I don't think it was as much highlights as it was educating kids on how the game is played. 

The Juggler

The TWIB them song remains one of the greatest Sports tv theme songs of all time though.