MLB 2025 Season

Indifference71

Man do I wish Steve Cohen owned my team.  Guy just doesn't give a fuck about money.  Crazy.

Johnny Abruzzo

The Angels org is such a failure - they have already wasted Mike Trout's prime and their farm system is dreadful.

Wobbie

Cliffy6745 said:

Wobbie said:

I love you guys! this hard core Giants fan kinda feels the same way.

maybe “we” get Ohtani….

I don't know, man. Not to play complete devils advocate, and I didn't love the deal, but he was also the youngest free agent, but the Giants came into the offseason saying they wouldn't be outbid for Judge and then didn't end up with a single big name free agent...not great.

I don’t think they WERE outbid for Judge….I think he just wanted the “aura and mystique.”

maybe Luciano will work out…kinda reminds me of how the Giants kept Aurilia down for Rey Sanchez and Shawon Dunston….when Aurilia finally got his chance, he was better than either (albeit, I think he was juicing, with the rest of baseball).

mfc2006

Very happy that Brantley is back with Houston.

They need to sign Tucker to a long-term deal.

Cliffy6745

MayDay10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Wobbie said:

I love you guys! this hard core Giants fan kinda feels the same way.

maybe “we” get Ohtani….

I don't know, man. Not to play complete devils advocate, and I didn't love the deal, but he was also the youngest free agent, but the Giants came into the offseason saying they wouldn't be outbid for Judge and then didn't end up with a single big name free agent...not great.

Itll pay off for them in the long run.  They showed a willingness to spend, and as a result, they really helped bid up some MLBPA members and their agents.  It'll earn them consideration in the future.

Short term?  Being stuck in the arms' race between Los Angeles and San Diego, it probably kind of sucks mentally.

You're never going to get a star free agent in today's landscape without giving a deal that's going to be bad at some point during it. $300mil is table stakes, especially when it comes to a free agent in their 20s.  

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mfc2006 said:

Wobbie said:

I love you guys! this hard core Giants fan kinda feels the same way.

maybe “we” get Ohtani….

Would be awesome to see Ohtani in SF

F U both.  Ohtani is staying in Anaheim.

The Big A: Where superstars go to disappear into obscurity.

Moreno is selling and then shit changes.  

Whomever buys them would want to hold onto the 2 greatest players in the game today.

tempo_n_groove

Johnny Abruzzo said:

The Angels org is such a failure - they have already wasted Mike Trout's prime and their farm system is dreadful.

They had some ok guys and let them go.

I've said from the top down they need to clean house.  I am looking forward to how 22 pitchers drafted last year pan out.

Wobbie

tempo_n_groove said:

mfc2006 said:

Wobbie said:

I love you guys! this hard core Giants fan kinda feels the same way.

maybe “we” get Ohtani….

Would be awesome to see Ohtani in SF

F U both.  Ohtani is staying in Anaheim.

the writing is on the wall. he knows he’ll never win there.

The Juggler

Rest assured, the Mets will find a way to fuck it up next year. 

Lerxst1992

The Juggler said:

Rest assured, the Mets will find a way to fuck it up next year. 

Bookmarked  ; )


I agree money doesnt guarantee post season wins, but I’m not sure what pissed off Uncle Steve more, getting slapped by Padres and Braves at end of the year, or Jake leaving without returning his calls. 

As much as I hate high inflation baseball salaries, if there is a fanbase in sports that deserves this extravagance it’s the Mets- suffering 35 years with terrible ownership while being little brothers to their cross town rivals over indulging decade after decade. No fan has suffered in person trash talk like Mets fans for so long.

 As a fan I am excited to watch quality players while realizing it guarantees nothing in the postseason (if they make it).

F Me In The Brain

I'm biased against the Mets, although I have a number of friends who are fans that I will be happy for if the garbage franchise can ever pull it together and actually win another WS.  


They'll screw it up, somehow.  

On the salaries, it seems Cliffy is correct in saying that big nabs now are likely to always contain bad back end years/$
  This sucks.  Sucks for the sport.  Widens the gab between the foolish owners who will spend anything and agree to dump money into their poorly run organizations (see Mets, above) and teams stuck with owners who don't want to spend.
Rays, Reds, As, etc. 

MayDay10

I say it every offseason.  They need a cap ceiling and floor, tied to revenue like every other civilized na pro league

F Me In The Brain

MayDay10 said:

I say it every offseason.  They need a cap ceiling and floor, tied to revenue like every other civilized na pro league

Makes sense.

pjhawks

MayDay10 said:

I say it every offseason.  They need a cap ceiling and floor, tied to revenue like every other civilized na pro league

They sure do.  And I'm a Phillies fan who went over the tax last year and will this year as well.  It's hard to imagine why anyone would be like a Pirates or Reds fan.  You just have almost no chance in today's world to compete. It sucks for those fans and cities.  It's just not a good long term model for the health of the sport.

Cliffy6745

I log on today and see billionaire owners, including Hal Steinbrenner, are whining about Cohen's spending. Get outta here and spend yourselves.

tempo_n_groove

F Me In The Brain said:

I'm biased against the Mets, although I have a number of friends who are fans that I will be happy for if the garbage franchise can ever pull it together and actually win another WS.  


They'll screw it up, somehow.  

On the salaries, it seems Cliffy is correct in saying that big nabs now are likely to always contain bad back end years/$
  This sucks.  Sucks for the sport.  Widens the gab between the foolish owners who will spend anything and agree to dump money into their poorly run organizations (see Mets, above) and teams stuck with owners who don't want to spend.
Rays, Reds, As, etc. 

This is literally history repeating itself.  Everyone said this after the Pujols and Arod deals.  None were given in a long time like that.  Enter new owners and BOOM.  We, rather they, forgot about the past.

Lerxst1992

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I'm biased against the Mets, although I have a number of friends who are fans that I will be happy for if the garbage franchise can ever pull it together and actually win another WS.  


They'll screw it up, somehow.  

On the salaries, it seems Cliffy is correct in saying that big nabs now are likely to always contain bad back end years/$
  This sucks.  Sucks for the sport.  Widens the gab between the foolish owners who will spend anything and agree to dump money into their poorly run organizations (see Mets, above) and teams stuck with owners who don't want to spend.
Rays, Reds, As, etc. 

This is literally history repeating itself.  Everyone said this after the Pujols and Arod deals.  None were given in a long time like that.  Enter new owners and BOOM.  We, rather they, forgot about the past.

Hey F and tempo, as a met fan I completely get the salary frustration, no other fan base in all of American sport has to go to work, go to the office, the construction site… decade in and decade out and deal with yankee fans bragging and laughing. Or family bbq’s, or holiday parties, or everywhere…but

technically Correa switching last second from Giants to Mets actually helps balance the sport. Had he stayed with SF, he’d be earning about the same money, so the Mets are not driving up salary with this move and a SF signing there would be no transfer of tax monies, it would be a net outflow of $300M+ from the smaller payroll tier of MLB and no other team benefits

Since this is Uncle Steve out of control probably still raging about Jake not returning his calls, a 90% marginal tax is kicking in, half of that money going directly to the smaller payroll clubs and the rest going back to the players. None of that happens without Uncle Steve fighting back

haven’t the warriors proven this point already? Or the Wilpons? If the Mets still had their abysmal ownership they’d be wallowing around their usual 79 wins. Now, if healthy, are likely a 100 win team. Of course championships are more of a crapshoot, requiring more lightning in a bottle in addition to billion dollar payrolls.

Lerxst1992

I think fans around the country need to understand the yankee and ny dynamic before trashing Steve Cohen. I ask all to put themselves in a met fan shoes. There is something unique about a two team market, and when the other team is “the greatest sports franchise of all time” (sorry Man U it’s not you) this system created Uncle Steve’s rage, and no fan base has suffered more personally and directly as the NY Mets.

this is unique in US sports, I say try to understand what it’s been like going to holiday parties the last 30 years before lumping this in with other big spending teams. Plus, Cohens money is now being showered to small market and all the other teams. Had Correa stayed inSF, none of that would happen.

The Juggler

Lerxst1992 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I'm biased against the Mets, although I have a number of friends who are fans that I will be happy for if the garbage franchise can ever pull it together and actually win another WS.  


They'll screw it up, somehow.  

On the salaries, it seems Cliffy is correct in saying that big nabs now are likely to always contain bad back end years/$
  This sucks.  Sucks for the sport.  Widens the gab between the foolish owners who will spend anything and agree to dump money into their poorly run organizations (see Mets, above) and teams stuck with owners who don't want to spend.
Rays, Reds, As, etc. 

This is literally history repeating itself.  Everyone said this after the Pujols and Arod deals.  None were given in a long time like that.  Enter new owners and BOOM.  We, rather they, forgot about the past.

Hey F and tempo, as a met fan I completely get the salary frustration, no other fan base in all of American sport has to go to work, go to the office, the construction site… decade in and decade out and deal with yankee fans bragging and laughing. Or family bbq’s, or holiday parties, or everywhere…but

technically Correa switching last second from Giants to Mets actually helps balance the sport. Had he stayed with SF, he’d be earning about the same money, so the Mets are not driving up salary with this move and a SF signing there would be no transfer of tax monies, it would be a net outflow of $300M+ from the smaller payroll tier of MLB and no other team benefits

Since this is Uncle Steve out of control probably still raging about Jake not returning his calls, a 90% marginal tax is kicking in, half of that money going directly to the smaller payroll clubs and the rest going back to the players. None of that happens without Uncle Steve fighting back

haven’t the warriors proven this point already? Or the Wilpons? If the Mets still had their abysmal ownership they’d be wallowing around their usual 79 wins. Now, if healthy, are likely a 100 win team. Of course championships are more of a crapshoot, requiring more lightning in a bottle in addition to billion dollar payrolls.

In this division, 100 wins could actually get you third place. NL East is gonna be nuts next year.

Lerxst1992

It could, but as a met fan, I’m grateful for those 100 wins, as frustrating as October might be. Even if we lose, he is showing up the Yankees. That might be worth a championship by itself, in this town anyway. Steven A, a yankee fan, did a funny rant with mad dog yesterday, wish I had a transcript …

https://youtu.be/WOgegAG6zaY