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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    The Fixer wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:
    The 81 wrote:

    Zambrano is a pretty good hitter...

    Babe ruth was a pretty good hitter.

    There are others in between.

    I just get the dh....

    Zambrano's career line is .240/.249/.392. That's terrible, but good for a pitcher. What does that say? Babe Ruth was 80 years ago. Has the game changed a bit since then? If you're not sure, you may want to check in with blacks and hispanics.

    You're using a pretty small sample size though (what do pitchers get 70 - 80 ABs in a good year??). If zambrano played first base and didn't pitch don't you think his numbers would improve?

    I hear what you're saying...most pitchers can't hit. Just saying that their stats don't tell the entire story

    That's his career line; it tells exactly the entire story. You're right about his development, though. If he had come up as a first baseman, he would certainly be a better hitter. Tough to say how good, but he at least has some degree of power. That's sorta the point, though. The game has evolved where pitchers are developed to pitch only. It's a way of maximizing their value to the team. Worrying about their hitting is like a hockey team worrying about their goalie's slapshot.

    Being able to argue about this stuff is one of the best things about baseball, though. It's easy to forgot sometimes that they do operate as two separate leagues in many ways. It's just great to see the game as healthy as it is right now, especially with impending work stoppages in the NFL and NBA.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    The Juggler wrote:

    i agree that it is interesting that both leagues are different....just would be nice to see both of them on a level playing field again. amazing to me that they're not. whether you like or dislike the dh, want to keep it or get rid of it, most agree that both leagues should have the same rules.

    Yup...we certainly agree completely here. I may have missed it, but are you an interleague play guy?
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    pjl44 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:

    i agree that it is interesting that both leagues are different....just would be nice to see both of them on a level playing field again. amazing to me that they're not. whether you like or dislike the dh, want to keep it or get rid of it, most agree that both leagues should have the same rules.

    Yup...we certainly agree completely here. I may have missed it, but are you an interleague play guy?

    no. to me it is a novelty that wore out about 13 years ago.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    The Juggler wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:

    i agree that it is interesting that both leagues are different....just would be nice to see both of them on a level playing field again. amazing to me that they're not. whether you like or dislike the dh, want to keep it or get rid of it, most agree that both leagues should have the same rules.

    Yup...we certainly agree completely here. I may have missed it, but are you an interleague play guy?

    no. to me it is a novelty that wore out about 13 years ago.

    Agreed again.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    pjl44 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:

    Yup...we certainly agree completely here. I may have missed it, but are you an interleague play guy?

    no. to me it is a novelty that wore out about 13 years ago.

    Agreed again.

    we are on a roll!
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  • letsongsprotest
    letsongsprotest Novi, MI Posts: 552
    Fan of a non-northeast team bump!!!!!


    Go Tigers!!!!!!! Lets bury the Indians beginning tonight. (or as much as you can bury a team that is tied for first in June ;) )
    There's a trapdoor in the sun.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Great article related to how the lower payroll teams can contend in today's MLB environment. Really is amazing how great of an impact Moneyball had on how players are evaluated and teams are run.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/646 ... -moneyball
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    The Juggler wrote:

    we are on a roll!

    Yaaaaaaay!
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    The Fixer wrote:
    Great article related to how the lower payroll teams can contend in today's MLB environment. Really is amazing how great of an impact Moneyball had on how players are evaluated and teams are run.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/646 ... -moneyball

    Cool...gonna check this out now. You nailed it when you were talking about the draft a couple pages ago. Going over slot and just paying the best talent seems to be a far more efficient use of funds than dropping ten times as much on a 30-year-old free agent. Amazing that a bunch of teams haven't figured this out yet (cough TigersandAstros).
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjl44 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Great article related to how the lower payroll teams can contend in today's MLB environment. Really is amazing how great of an impact Moneyball had on how players are evaluated and teams are run.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/646 ... -moneyball

    Cool...gonna check this out now. You nailed it when you were talking about the draft a couple pages ago. Going over slot and just paying the best talent seems to be a far more efficient use of funds than dropping ten times as much on a 30-year-old free agent. Amazing that a bunch of teams haven't figured this out yet (cough TigersandAstros).

    yeah man. I'm a huge baseball geek. I follow the minor leagues almost as closely as I follow the majors. Love baseball...by far the best professional sport
  • letsongsprotest
    letsongsprotest Novi, MI Posts: 552
    pjl44 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Great article related to how the lower payroll teams can contend in today's MLB environment. Really is amazing how great of an impact Moneyball had on how players are evaluated and teams are run.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/646 ... -moneyball

    Cool...gonna check this out now. You nailed it when you were talking about the draft a couple pages ago. Going over slot and just paying the best talent seems to be a far more efficient use of funds than dropping ten times as much on a 30-year-old free agent. Amazing that a bunch of teams haven't figured this out yet (cough TigersandAstros).
    Granted, the Tigers still do overpay for older free agents at times (though i did then and still love the Victor Martinez signing), they have been building up the franchise through recent drafts as well. Recent draft picks that are contributing now-

    Rick Porcello
    Charlie Furbush
    Alex Avila
    Brennan Boesch
    Andy Dirks (looks like he's going to be a player so far)

    as well as pitchers Jacob Turner and Andy Oliver showing alot of promise in the minors.

    Alot of the above names most people may not know, but they are some good homegrown ball players. Now if we can just find a third baseman to replace Inge :?
    There's a trapdoor in the sun.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Porcello and Furbush are gonna be good. I think Boesch blows
  • FenwayFaithful
    FenwayFaithful Posts: 8,626
    James Shields is good
    "FF, I've heard the droning about the Sawx being the baby dolls. Yeah, I get it, you guys invented baseball and suffered forever. I get it." -JearlPam0925
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    edited June 2011
    letsongsprotest wrote:
    Granted, the Tigers still do overpay for older free agents at times (though i did then and still love the Victor Martinez signing), they have been building up the franchise through recent drafts as well. Recent draft picks that are contributing now-

    Rick Porcello
    Charlie Furbush
    Alex Avila
    Brennan Boesch
    Andy Dirks (looks like he's going to be a player so far)

    as well as pitchers Jacob Turner and Andy Oliver showing alot of promise in the minors.

    Alot of the above names most people may not know, but they are some good homegrown ball players. Now if we can just find a third baseman to replace Inge :?

    Yeah...they just have a reputation for being cheap when it comes to the draft. Those guys are all contributors, but none (with the possible exception of Porcello) are going to be stars. Now Verlander...that's a different story.
  • letsongsprotest
    letsongsprotest Novi, MI Posts: 552
    The Fixer wrote:
    Porcello and Furbush are gonna be good. I think Boesch blows
    Boesch definately is a free swinger. But what i like about him this season is that hes taking more pitches. Dudes got power.

    It can only help him to be around hitters like Cabrera and Martinez.
    There's a trapdoor in the sun.
  • letsongsprotest
    letsongsprotest Novi, MI Posts: 552
    pjl44 wrote:
    letsongsprotest wrote:
    Granted, the Tigers still do overpay for older free agents at times (though i did then and still love the Victor Martinez signing), they have been building up the franchise through recent drafts as well. Recent draft picks that are contributing now-

    Rick Porcello
    Charlie Furbush
    Alex Avila
    Brennan Boesch
    Andy Dirks (looks like he's going to be a player so far)

    as well as pitchers Jacob Turner and Andy Oliver showing alot of promise in the minors.

    Alot of the above names most people may not know, but they are some good homegrown ball players. Now if we can just find a third baseman to replace Inge :?

    Yeah...they just have a reputation for being cheap when it comes to the draft. Those guys are all contributors, but none (with the possible exception of Porcello) are going to be stars. Now Verlander...that's a different story.
    They did pay the price to draft Porcello.

    I tell though, watching Avila everyday is making me a believer in him. Wont be a Mauer or McCann, but could be just underneath them.
    There's a trapdoor in the sun.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    letsongsprotest wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Porcello and Furbush are gonna be good. I think Boesch blows
    Boesch definately is a free swinger. But what i like about him this season is that hes taking more pitches. Dudes got power.

    It can only help him to be around hitters like Cabrera and Martinez.

    I love watching cabrera.

    I'm also a big fan of Towson University grad Casper Wells :thumbup:
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    letsongsprotest wrote:
    They did pay the price to draft Porcello.

    Very true, very true. Gotta love their chances to take the division this year. If the White Sox can't pull it together, I'd say they're a mortal lock.
  • letsongsprotest
    letsongsprotest Novi, MI Posts: 552
    pjl44 wrote:
    letsongsprotest wrote:
    They did pay the price to draft Porcello.

    Very true, very true. Gotta love their chances to take the division this year. If the White Sox can't pull it together, I'd say they're a mortal lock.
    I thought this at the beginning of the seasonand think it even more now. Its going to come down to the Tigers or White Sox.

    I didnt believe in Clevelands fast start for a minute.
    There's a trapdoor in the sun.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Moneyball trailer. I dont think it looks that terrible.

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... e-trailer/

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