That's not that bad of a deal for the Card's. They've got plenty of offense.
With Rasmus's current attitude and work ethic he's not far from his ceiling. I can't blame him for not wanting to listen to Mcgwire but he just doesn't seem to be totally into it. He seems like a cocky punk to me and that stems from watching him more than what people say about him. Doesn't seem like he's improved much in the 3 or so seasons he's been in the bigs.
Maybe a change of scenery will make him blossom.
He hasn't gotten consistent playing time. larussa has jerked him in and out of the lineup for over a year now. it's fine if STL wanted to move him but they got a bag of shit in return
He's played 145 games the 1st 2 years and is on pace for close to the same this year and I'm pretty sure he had some mild injury early in the season. They got what they need and maybe a headache out of the clubhouse.
how good is this wheeler kid? are we talking front end of the rotation or back end of the rotation. course with the mets he'll end up as a bust.
ranked as one of the top 30 prospects in all of baseball. That usually projects to a 1 or 2 starter.
Here's a pre-season scouting report from baseball america
Background: The Giants made Wheeler the sixth overall pick in the 2009 draft, the highest they've taken a pitcher since selecting Jason Grilli at No. 4 in 1997, and signed him for $3.3 million. It was a bad omen when he recorded only one out in his pro debut in April, as a persistent cracked-fingernail issue derailed his season. He did post a 3.27 ERA in his final five starts.
Scouting Report: With his size, broad shoulders and loose arm action, Wheeler has plenty of projection remaining. His cracked nail was a blessing in disguise because it forced him to take time out to work on smoothing out his mechanics. He got on a more direct line to the plate and cut down the effort in his delivery, allowing him to command the bottom of the strike zone much better. Wheeler threw an easy 94-97 mph fastball during instructional league with improved location. His changeup became functional toward the end of the season, and his breaking ball became tighter and more consistent. He can throw an overhand curveball but has had more success with a slurve. He did a lot of maturing on the mound in his first pro season and learned he can't strike out the world.
The Future: Wheeler remains an elite arm with room to grow. After a promising instructional league, he'll move up to high Class A if he competes well in spring training.
thanks fixer
google Tim Alderson....and grilli, while you're at it. Wheeler could be the shit or could be just shit. you never know. for now, the giants have a somewhat proven quantity....with bad knees.
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Hey guys, to be honest...All of the Rasmus talk about him not listening to his coaches is something I just started hearing about over the last week or so. Can someone fill me in real quick, as far as him not listening to Mcgwire, etc? I heard Larussa the other day say something along the lines of, "Rasmus doesn't listen to any of his coaches" and that was all I caught. So supposedly he only listens to his old man?
word here in toronto is that he's a good kid ... we got jose bautista, yuneel escobar and brett lawrie who all had similar reps coming into the organization ... bautista is basically the team captain now and escobar has been a steal ...
larussa is a bit controlling and if you get on his bad side - it's not good ... anyways, those that want to read the toronto side of the deal ... here it is ...
larussa is a bit controlling and if you get on his bad side - it's not good ... anyways, those that want to read the toronto side of the deal ... here it is ...
LaRussa was on TV talking about how it wasn't because of him, and players are the ones who are important, blah blah. So, yeah, it was his fault.
Every neutral party thinks Toronto made a great trade.
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larussa is a bit controlling and if you get on his bad side - it's not good
"a bit"???? :shock:
he's an ass.
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PIttsburgh is a terrible place to visit, but that park is tremendous
if you know what you are doing, it's not. i enjoyed both my visits to the burgh
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He hasn't gotten consistent playing time. larussa has jerked him in and out of the lineup for over a year now. it's fine if STL wanted to move him but they got a bag of shit in return
He's played 145 games the 1st 2 years and is on pace for close to the same this year and I'm pretty sure he had some mild injury early in the season. They got what they need and maybe a headache out of the clubhouse.
they need shitty players? that's a weird strategy
The relievers they got are better than the ones they sent over to Toronto. Who would've thought the Jays bullpen could get worse.
I have a feeling that the indians are about to do something really stupid at the deadline. they seem to be in on every rumor. doesn't make sense for them yet to trade for a big name. they have a nice young team, but they are still a year or two away from competing with bos, nyy, and tex.
I can feel it coming. They are gonna try to top the cards for dumbest move.
if you know what you are doing, it's not. i enjoyed both my visits to the burgh
lots of family on my wife's side went to college out there. they all loved it.
just a guess, but none of them live there now
a couple of them do. i'm not a huge fan of pittsburgh but i've enjoyed myself the few times i've been out there.
my favorite moment as an athlete happened there so i've always had a lil fondness for that city. legion game at 3 rivers stadium back in 95 or so. went 2-2 with a double and 4 rbi...double missed being over the fence by about 4 feet. :x
i'm happy those fans have something to cheer about this year
i'm happy those fans have something to cheer about this year
I could care less about pittsburgh. Their hatred for philly is pretty annoying though. They definitely have an inferiority complex in western PA.
That city is the worst. I'd rather visit cleveland
they hate philly?
i've never really noticed that. only thing that really bugs me about pittsburgh is the steelers' fans. those are some annoying bastards (not referring to anyone on this board of course ).........i am pretty envious about all their sb rings though.
i'm happy those fans have something to cheer about this year
I could care less about pittsburgh. Their hatred for philly is pretty annoying though. They definitely have an inferiority complex in western PA.
That city is the worst. I'd rather visit cleveland
they hate philly?
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spend some time there. it's comical actually.
when we were there this summer for the phils series we hit permani brothers late night after one of the games. there were 6 of us in phils gear and the people at the counter refused to serve us until everyone else in the place got their food. we waited for close to an hour. those sandwiches are terrible too.
anyway, I've made my point. not a fan. I wouldn't be upset if I never set foot in that city ever again
I am pulling for the pirates though. for obvious reasons
you should write the owners of permani brothers a strongly worded letter.
not worth my time.
most of the people out there are nice. until you tell them you're from philly. I don't get it
...do you think i am serious about the letter?
I wasn't sure. You've been off your game lately so I couldn't tell.
You ever hear about that book that seinfeld wrote with all the customer complaint letters? he used an alias...can't remember what it was. I read it a while ago. Funny as hell
most of the people out there are nice. until you tell them you're from philly. I don't get it
...do you think i am serious about the letter?
I wasn't sure. You've been off your game lately so I couldn't tell.
You ever hear about that book that seinfeld wrote with all the customer complaint letters? he used an alias...can't remember what it was. I read it a while ago. Funny as hell
i find it hilarious that you thought i was possibly serious. a letter
never heard of the book...sounds cool though. gotta google it
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they need shitty players? that's a weird strategy
google Tim Alderson....and grilli, while you're at it. Wheeler could be the shit or could be just shit. you never know. for now, the giants have a somewhat proven quantity....with bad knees.
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word here in toronto is that he's a good kid ... we got jose bautista, yuneel escobar and brett lawrie who all had similar reps coming into the organization ... bautista is basically the team captain now and escobar has been a steal ...
larussa is a bit controlling and if you get on his bad side - it's not good ... anyways, those that want to read the toronto side of the deal ... here it is ...
http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/ ... layer-deal
also ... good on AA for trading frasor to chicago ... class guy who didn't want to leave but got sent to his hometown ...
LaRussa was on TV talking about how it wasn't because of him, and players are the ones who are important, blah blah. So, yeah, it was his fault.
Every neutral party thinks Toronto made a great trade.
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i like the chemistry of the team now ... team first guys ...
he's an ass.
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"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
PIttsburgh is a terrible place to visit, but that park is tremendous
if you know what you are doing, it's not. i enjoyed both my visits to the burgh
used to have pittsburgh as part of my sales territory. I have spent a lot of time there (used to spend a week there every month...not good times). Limited hotel options (which makes pittsburgh hotels surprisingly expensive compared to other cities in the NE), zero public transit or cabs, difficult to navigate by car (due to all the hills and bridges). People out there are nice, but the city sucks. PNC Park is awesome though
I guess, yeah....more than they need pain in the ass young guys that haven't proven anything but act like they're the shit.
I can feel it coming. They are gonna try to top the cards for dumbest move.
Didn't notice the tie, but I just watched him try(and fail) to snap a bat over his leg. Now that was funny.
yeah it was.
his tie looks like a kids tie. It barely comes down past his chest. the host was even busting his balls about it.
Hmmm, sounds like Michael Irvin and the way he doesn't know how to tie a tie.
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lots of family on my wife's side went to college out there. they all loved it.
just a guess, but none of them live there now
a couple of them do. i'm not a huge fan of pittsburgh but i've enjoyed myself the few times i've been out there.
my favorite moment as an athlete happened there so i've always had a lil fondness for that city. legion game at 3 rivers stadium back in 95 or so. went 2-2 with a double and 4 rbi...double missed being over the fence by about 4 feet. :x
i'm happy those fans have something to cheer about this year
I could care less about pittsburgh, but their hatred for philly is pretty annoying. They definitely have an inferiority complex in western PA.
That city is the worst. I'd rather visit cleveland
they hate philly?
i've never really noticed that. only thing that really bugs me about pittsburgh is the steelers' fans. those are some annoying bastards (not referring to anyone on this board of course
spend some time there. it's comical actually.
when we were there this summer for the phils series we hit permani brothers late night after one of the games. there were 6 of us in phils gear and the people at the counter refused to serve us until everyone else in the place got their food. we waited for close to an hour. those sandwiches are terrible too.
anyway, I've made my point. not a fan. I wouldn't be upset if I never set foot in that city ever again
I am pulling for the pirates though. for obvious reasons
not worth my time.
most of the people out there are nice. until you tell them you're from philly. I don't get it
...do you think i am serious about the letter?
I wasn't sure. You've been off your game lately so I couldn't tell.
You ever hear about that book that seinfeld wrote with all the customer complaint letters? he used an alias...can't remember what it was. I read it a while ago. Funny as hell
i find it hilarious that you thought i was possibly serious. a letter
never heard of the book...sounds cool though. gotta google it