If there's any place left in this country where owners can get the welfare financed by the public for an obscene, new venue it's Vegas.
it will probably be another increase in the room tax that subsidizes the billionaire owner. no matter how much they jack up prices, certain people still love going to Vegas. as a former, 30 year resident of Vegas, I don’t get the allure. that said, the Indian casinos and fanduel-type sports betting are not the same.
It is. 40% of it is based on the room tax. Edit: sorry, 40% of the Raiders stadium, that is, so figure something close to that.
I mean there's a resort/destination feel to Vegas imo, plus the actual corporations that have consolidated those online & satellite sportsbooks are located there. Outside of that, gambling at your local casino in Podunkville Town, USA is kinda pathetic & sad - and another conversation altogether.
The land/casino owners there have a huge advantage over everything else so they basically get whatever they want.
Vegas is special when it comes to table games and slots w the atmosphere. I have been to other places across the states and have gotten that itch scratched though. After being to Atlantic City a few times now though I will say that it is an actual dump. What a cesspool.
That being said, Vegas still should have lost some power.
Part of the reason AC is a "cesspool" is because of the casinos.
I mean there's a resort/destination feel to Vegas imo, plus the actual corporations that have consolidated those online & satellite sportsbooks are located there. Outside of that, gambling at your local casino in Podunkville Town, USA is kinda pathetic & sad - and another conversation altogether.
The land/casino owners there have a huge advantage over everything else so they basically get whatever they want.
Vegas is special when it comes to table games and slots w the atmosphere. I have been to other places across the states and have gotten that itch scratched though. After being to Atlantic City a few times now though I will say that it is an actual dump. What a cesspool.
That being said, Vegas still should have lost some power.
Part of the reason AC is a "cesspool" is because of the casinos.
Interesting that Vegas never really had that problem?
Vegas was awesome 15-20 years ago. Now it is just way too expensive, crowded, and near impossible to navigate around. We slept in the parking lot of the MGM in our car for the 2003 show. Now its like $30 just to park there for the evening.
Vegas was awesome 15-20 years ago. Now it is just way too expensive, crowded, and near impossible to navigate around. We slept in the parking lot of the MGM in our car for the 2003 show. Now its like $30 just to park there for the evening.
Vegas was awesome 15-20 years ago. Now it is just way too expensive, crowded, and near impossible to navigate around. We slept in the parking lot of the MGM in our car for the 2003 show. Now its like $30 just to park there for the evening.
I find that the rooms in both AC and Vegas have gone up a bunch. They used to be cheap and the money was made on the games. Not so much anymore.
Borgata is like $400 a night. Just for a stupid room.
I mean there's a resort/destination feel to Vegas imo, plus the actual corporations that have consolidated those online & satellite sportsbooks are located there. Outside of that, gambling at your local casino in Podunkville Town, USA is kinda pathetic & sad - and another conversation altogether.
The land/casino owners there have a huge advantage over everything else so they basically get whatever they want.
Vegas is special when it comes to table games and slots w the atmosphere. I have been to other places across the states and have gotten that itch scratched though. After being to Atlantic City a few times now though I will say that it is an actual dump. What a cesspool.
That being said, Vegas still should have lost some power.
Part of the reason AC is a "cesspool" is because of the casinos.
Interesting that Vegas never really had that problem?
Not interesting really, the entire town was literally built around the industry. If you look at any other town that was established before a casino showed up and plopping a casino down immediately drops the surrounding town into poverty. There's a study I need to find that quantified that x amount of slot machines installed results in x amount of unemployment.
Gambling is literally the worst addiction there is, not to be redundant with "literally" nor turn this into a different conversation which I was trying to avoid.
My understanding is that the city of Oakland & MLB themselves are as much to blame as John Fisher for the A's departure. From what I've read, A's ownership has been trying every outlet to reach a deal with city of Oakland. The waterfront project was announced, what? 6-7 years ago? According to Fisher, they were still looking at another 8-10 years before they'd have a new stadium. MLB basically forced the A's hand to explore other outlets - namely Las Vegas - and instructed them to do so by spring 2024.
I'm not stating any of this as undeniable truths. Just by the few bits I read yesterday, these are the main arguments I recall.
I mean there's a resort/destination feel to Vegas imo, plus the actual corporations that have consolidated those online & satellite sportsbooks are located there. Outside of that, gambling at your local casino in Podunkville Town, USA is kinda pathetic & sad - and another conversation altogether.
The land/casino owners there have a huge advantage over everything else so they basically get whatever they want.
Vegas is special when it comes to table games and slots w the atmosphere. I have been to other places across the states and have gotten that itch scratched though. After being to Atlantic City a few times now though I will say that it is an actual dump. What a cesspool.
That being said, Vegas still should have lost some power.
Part of the reason AC is a "cesspool" is because of the casinos.
Interesting that Vegas never really had that problem?
Not interesting really, the entire town was literally built around the industry. If you look at any other town that was established before a casino showed up and plopping a casino down immediately drops the surrounding town into poverty. There's a study I need to find that quantified that x amount of slot machines installed results in x amount of unemployment.
Gambling is literally the worst addiction there is, not to be redundant with "literally" nor turn this into a different conversation which I was trying to avoid.
That little tidbit is interesting. I had seen casinos built in the middle of nowhere in other states and towns grew up around them.
My understanding is that the city of Oakland & MLB themselves are as much to blame as John Fisher for the A's departure. From what I've read, A's ownership has been trying every outlet to reach a deal with city of Oakland. The waterfront project was announced, what? 6-7 years ago? According to Fisher, they were still looking at another 8-10 years before they'd have a new stadium. MLB basically forced the A's hand to explore other outlets - namely Las Vegas - and instructed them to do so by spring 2024.
I'm not stating any of this as undeniable truths. Just by the few bits I read yesterday, these are the main arguments I recall.
There is plenty of blame to go around. John Fisher, Lew Wolff, the previous owner, the City of Oakland, MLB, take your pick. One example is the A's had an agreement to move to San Jose, but the Giants were given territorial rights for San Jose when they were trying to get a new stadium and threatening to leave for Florida. At the time, San Jose was considered as a home for the new Giants stadium. They eventually built the new ballpark in San Francisco, but refused to relinquish the rights to San Jose. When the A's found a site in San Jose, the Giants and MLB Commissioner Bud Selig kept it from happening. It was a mess. There were also attempts to locate ballparks in Fremont and on a college campus in Oakland, but fell through as well. I don't like that they are moving, but at this point there doesn't seem to be any real options. The Coliseum is a dump that hasn't been maintained properly and needs to be torn down. Add that to the desire of MLB to have a team in Las Vegas and here we are. The whole thing sucks.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run.
I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run.
Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run.
Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.
Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over
I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run.
Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.
Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over
Not an HOF’er. Posey is a more likely candidate for me, but his career may be viewed as too short.
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run.
Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.
Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over
Not an HOF’er. Posey is a more likely candidate for me, but his career may be viewed as too short.
Again for Posey, 3 World Series rings helps plus a ROY and MVP. Especially if they're not going to vote in the surefire HOFs. It might be easier for him to get in
I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run.
Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.
Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over
Not an HOF’er. Posey is a more likely candidate for me, but his career may be viewed as too short.
Again for Posey, 3 World Series rings helps plus a ROY and MVP. Especially if they're not going to vote in the surefire HOFs. It might be easier for him to get in
and a batting title and comeback player of the year.
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run.
Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.
Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over
Not an HOF’er. Posey is a more likely candidate for me, but his career may be viewed as too short.
Again for Posey, 3 World Series rings helps plus a ROY and MVP. Especially if they're not going to vote in the surefire HOFs. It might be easier for him to get in
Posey is in. Great catcher, great player in a tough position.
I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run.
Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.
Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over
Not an HOF’er. Posey is a more likely candidate for me, but his career may be viewed as too short.
Again for Posey, 3 World Series rings helps plus a ROY and MVP. Especially if they're not going to vote in the surefire HOFs. It might be easier for him to get in
Posey is in. Great catcher, great player in a tough position.
If he doesn't have the 3 World Series he doesn't get in though.
Never really given those teams much thought, but just broadly thinking about it - for a team that won 3 titles in 5 seasons is there anyone on there that are no-dount hall of famers? I guess Posey, maybe, sorta? Outside of that, they're probably the most bizarre "dynasty" I can think of. Each roster seems completely unrelated to the other two that won.
I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run.
Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.
Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over
Not an HOF’er. Posey is a more likely candidate for me, but his career may be viewed as too short.
Again for Posey, 3 World Series rings helps plus a ROY and MVP. Especially if they're not going to vote in the surefire HOFs. It might be easier for him to get in
Posey is in. Great catcher, great player in a tough position.
If he doesn't have the 3 World Series he doesn't get in though.
Never really given those teams much thought, but just broadly thinking about it - for a team that won 3 titles in 5 seasons is there anyone on there that are no-dount hall of famers? I guess Posey, maybe, sorta? Outside of that, they're probably the most bizarre "dynasty" I can think of. Each roster seems completely unrelated to the other two that won.
Other notables were Lincecum, Madbaum, Zito, Nady and Pablo Sandoval? Fan favorite Hunter Pence too but nobody that is a sure fire HOFer.
Never really given those teams much thought, but just broadly thinking about it - for a team that won 3 titles in 5 seasons is there anyone on there that are no-dount hall of famers? I guess Posey, maybe, sorta? Outside of that, they're probably the most bizarre "dynasty" I can think of. Each roster seems completely unrelated to the other two that won.
Other notables were Lincecum, Madbaum, Zito, Nady and Pablo Sandoval? Fan favorite Hunter Pence too but nobody that is a sure fire HOFer.
They had good players that peaked at the right time.
Like I said - very bizarre, sustained "dynasty". They rode on the back of some elite pitching, cobbled together an OK lineup, and then rolled the dice once getting into the playoffs. Not that I wouldn't take 3 titles in 5 seasons like that though, twist my arm...
Never really given those teams much thought, but just broadly thinking about it - for a team that won 3 titles in 5 seasons is there anyone on there that are no-dount hall of famers? I guess Posey, maybe, sorta? Outside of that, they're probably the most bizarre "dynasty" I can think of. Each roster seems completely unrelated to the other two that won.
Other notables were Lincecum, Madbaum, Zito, Nady and Pablo Sandoval? Fan favorite Hunter Pence too but nobody that is a sure fire HOFer.
nady?
you know I love my giants but Posey is the only possible HOFer…different guys stepped up in each of the title years….3 different closers…journeymen like cody ross, marco scutaro, aubrey (asshat) huff, hunter pence, michael morse, andres torres, freddy sanchez, etc. came up big….GW pitchers changed from year to year (cain, lincecum, madbum, voglesong)….jeremy affeldt was huge….crawford, panda, belt and posey were together for most of it.
it flies in the face of the superteam mentality.
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Never really given those teams much thought, but just broadly thinking about it - for a team that won 3 titles in 5 seasons is there anyone on there that are no-dount hall of famers? I guess Posey, maybe, sorta? Outside of that, they're probably the most bizarre "dynasty" I can think of. Each roster seems completely unrelated to the other two that won.
Other notables were Lincecum, Madbaum, Zito, Nady and Pablo Sandoval? Fan favorite Hunter Pence too but nobody that is a sure fire HOFer.
nady?
you know I love my giants but Posey is the only possible HOFer…different guys stepped up in each of the title years….3 different closers…journeymen like cody ross, marco scutaro, aubrey (asshat) huff, hunter pence, michael morse, andres torres, freddy sanchez, etc. came up big….GW pitchers changed from year to year (cain, lincecum, madbum, voglesong)….jeremy affeldt was huge….crawford, panda, belt and posey were together for most of it.
it flies in the face of the superteam mentality.
Xavier Nady was a highly touted Draft Pick that was good enough to be in the league for a while like Pence , but never great.
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Now it is just way too expensive, crowded, and near impossible to navigate around.
We slept in the parking lot of the MGM in our car for the 2003 show. Now its like $30 just to park there for the evening.
I find that the rooms in both AC and Vegas have gone up a bunch. They used to be cheap and the money was made on the games. Not so much anymore.
Borgata is like $400 a night. Just for a stupid room.
Gambling is literally the worst addiction there is, not to be redundant with "literally" nor turn this into a different conversation which I was trying to avoid.
I'm not stating any of this as undeniable truths. Just by the few bits I read yesterday, these are the main arguments I recall.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
you know I love my giants but Posey is the only possible HOFer…different guys stepped up in each of the title years….3 different closers…journeymen like cody ross, marco scutaro, aubrey (asshat) huff, hunter pence, michael morse, andres torres, freddy sanchez, etc. came up big….GW pitchers changed from year to year (cain, lincecum, madbum, voglesong)….jeremy affeldt was huge….crawford, panda, belt and posey were together for most of it.
it flies in the face of the superteam mentality.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14