"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
In what should have been the glory years of me being a Cleveland fan, he all but ruined those teams for me. Roided out jerk face shit head. I just could not root for an asshole of those depths
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
One rival executive suggested to Heyman a trade for Goldschmidt was still remote, while another said he thought the Diamondbacks would have to pay a significant portion of Greinke's salary to trade him.
Arizona's signings of Greinke and outfielder Yasmany Tomas (six years, $68.5 million), who was arrested in January for speeding and spent all of 2018 in the minor leagues, continue to hamstring the organization financially, according to The Athletic's Jeff Wiser, who adds the Diamondbacks are caught between playing in a tough division and payroll constraints.
The 31-year-old Goldschmidt has been one of the National League's best players since 2013, appearing in six straight All-Star games and finishing third or higher in MVP voting on three occasions.
He's eligible for free agency at the end of 2019 and will earn $14.5 million next season, so a trade while his value is still high could net the Diamondbacks a nice return.
Greinke, 35, has three years and $104.5 million remaining on the six-year contract he signed with Arizona prior to the 2016 season.
Since signing with the Diamondbacks, the veteran starter owns a 45-25 record with a 3.53 ERA and 1.13 WHIP. However, as Wiser points out, the deal weighs heavily on the team's payroll and they'd almost surely like to get out from under the contract if they can.
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope. HR? 381, nope. Runs? 974, nope. SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
SEATTLE, WA - MAY 3: Seattle Mariners general manager Jerry Dipoto (R) talks with manager Scott Servais before a game between the Oakland Athletics and the Seattle Mariners at Safeco Field on May 3, 2018 in Seattle, Washington. The Mariners won the game 4-1.
The Seattle Mariners are considering a complete teardown this winter, league sources told Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports.
Seattle told other teams virtually no Mariners players would be untouchable in a robust trade market, Passan reported Tuesday. If that market materializes, he added, the team is willing to take a multi-year approach to a rebuild.
"They're going to blow it up," a source told MLB.com's Mark Feinsand.
Complicating matters are the potential returns the Mariners would receive for some of their best players.
Shortstop Jean Segura's no-trade clause would need to be reworked for a deal to occur. Seattle would also expect massive returns for outfielder Mitch Haniger and pitchers James Paxton and Edwin Diaz, Passan notes.
It appears the Mariners intend to keep Haniger, Diaz, and pitcher Marco Gonzales, reports Jon Heyman of Fancred Sports, who hears "everyone else is up for grabs."
Seattle is already in discussions with the Tampa Bay Rays regarding catcher Mike Zunino, sources told The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal.
Seattle placed third in the American League West in 2018, despite finishing 16 games over .500. The Mariners haven't qualified for the postseason since 2001.
The club has close to $132 million committed to payroll (before arbitration) for 2019.
I say yes to this. Never made sense that you can trade for a player with less then 30 games left of a 162 game schedule. And while ther at it, they can get rid of the Roster expansion in September too.
Report: MLB expected to discuss move to uniform mid-August trade deadline
Major League Baseball could be eyeing a significant change to its midsummer-transaction landscape.
At this week's general manager meetings, officials from the commissioner's office and executives from teams are expected to discuss the elimination of trade waivers in favor of a uniform trade deadline, which could land in mid-August, according to Jon Paul Morosi of MLB.com.
The current non-waiver trade deadline is July 31 at 4 p.m. ET. Afterward, players need to pass through waivers to be traded, and must be acquired by the end of Aug. 31 to be eligible for postseason rosters.
While the league is apparently weighing interest in a uniform deadline, any changes would require the approval of the MLB Players Association.
The GM meetings open Tuesday and are scheduled to conclude Thursday in Carlsbad, Calif.
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope. HR? 381, nope. Runs? 974, nope. SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.
Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope. HR? 381, nope. Runs? 974, nope. SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.
Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.
Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.
Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.
Had 3000 hits.
Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.
He also won 4GG.
He belongs in.
Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope. HR? 381, nope. Runs? 974, nope. SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.
Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.
Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.
Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.
Had 3000 hits.
Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.
He also won 4GG.
He belongs in.
Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.
Yes, Biggio is a good example ...of a compiler. How many Stats did he lead during a season? HBP? Okay, i guess. He lead in Runs a couple of years, 2B's 3 years , & SB one year. No other stats of signifcance. Biggio's high in RBI's is 88(he averaged 67RBI/season). He wasn't a dominant player.
I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope. HR? 381, nope. Runs? 974, nope. SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.
Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.
Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.
Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.
Had 3000 hits.
Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.
He also won 4GG.
He belongs in.
Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.
Yes, Biggio is a good example ...of a compiler. How many Stats did he lead during a season? HBP? Okay, i guess. He lead in Runs a couple of years, 2B's 3 years , & SB one year. No other stats of signifcance. Biggio's high in RBI's is 88(he averaged 67RBI/season). He wasn't a dominant player.
I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.
By that logic Mattingly should be in then.
Nope.
Ryan Howard should get in.
Nope.
Writers use your logic as of late, they have with Guerrero, Trammel, Morris, Hoffman and Raines.
None of them should be in.
There are a few more over the years that I scratch my head at also...
Again Biggio is 15th all-time in runs. Take a look at the five others below him.
But hey, we can disagree. I know you're wrong, lol.
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope. HR? 381, nope. Runs? 974, nope. SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.
Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.
Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.
Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.
Had 3000 hits.
Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.
He also won 4GG.
He belongs in.
Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.
Yes, Biggio is a good example ...of a compiler. How many Stats did he lead during a season? HBP? Okay, i guess. He lead in Runs a couple of years, 2B's 3 years , & SB one year. No other stats of signifcance. Biggio's high in RBI's is 88(he averaged 67RBI/season). He wasn't a dominant player.
I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.
By that logic Mattingly should be in then.
Nope.
Ryan Howard should get in.
Nope.
Writers use your logic as of late, they have with Guerrero, Trammel, Morris, Hoffman and Raines.
None of them should be in.
There are a few more over the years that I scratch my head at also...
Again Biggio is 15th all-time in runs. Take a look at the five others below him.
But hey, we can disagree. I know you're wrong, lol.
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope. HR? 381, nope. Runs? 974, nope. SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.
Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.
Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.
Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.
Had 3000 hits.
Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.
He also won 4GG.
He belongs in.
Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.
Yes, Biggio is a good example ...of a compiler. How many Stats did he lead during a season? HBP? Okay, i guess. He lead in Runs a couple of years, 2B's 3 years , & SB one year. No other stats of signifcance. Biggio's high in RBI's is 88(he averaged 67RBI/season). He wasn't a dominant player.
I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.
By that logic Mattingly should be in then.
Nope.
Ryan Howard should get in.
Nope.
Writers use your logic as of late, they have with Guerrero, Trammel, Morris, Hoffman and Raines.
None of them should be in.
There are a few more over the years that I scratch my head at also...
Again Biggio is 15th all-time in runs. Take a look at the five others below him.
But hey, we can disagree. I know you're wrong, lol.
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope. HR? 381, nope. Runs? 974, nope. SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.
Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.
Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.
Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.
Had 3000 hits.
Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.
He also won 4GG.
He belongs in.
Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.
Yes, Biggio is a good example ...of a compiler. How many Stats did he lead during a season? HBP? Okay, i guess. He lead in Runs a couple of years, 2B's 3 years , & SB one year. No other stats of signifcance. Biggio's high in RBI's is 88(he averaged 67RBI/season). He wasn't a dominant player.
I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.
By that logic Mattingly should be in then.
Nope.
Ryan Howard should get in.
Nope.
Writers use your logic as of late, they have with Guerrero, Trammel, Morris, Hoffman and Raines.
None of them should be in.
There are a few more over the years that I scratch my head at also...
Again Biggio is 15th all-time in runs. Take a look at the five others below him.
But hey, we can disagree. I know you're wrong, lol.
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope. HR? 381, nope. Runs? 974, nope. SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.
Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.
Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.
Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.
Had 3000 hits.
Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.
He also won 4GG.
He belongs in.
Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.
Yes, Biggio is a good example ...of a compiler. How many Stats did he lead during a season? HBP? Okay, i guess. He lead in Runs a couple of years, 2B's 3 years , & SB one year. No other stats of signifcance. Biggio's high in RBI's is 88(he averaged 67RBI/season). He wasn't a dominant player.
I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.
By that logic Mattingly should be in then.
Nope.
Ryan Howard should get in.
Nope.
Writers use your logic as of late, they have with Guerrero, Trammel, Morris, Hoffman and Raines.
None of them should be in.
There are a few more over the years that I scratch my head at also...
Again Biggio is 15th all-time in runs. Take a look at the five others below him.
But hey, we can disagree. I know you're wrong, lol.
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope. HR? 381, nope. Runs? 974, nope. SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.
Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.
Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.
Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.
Had 3000 hits.
Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.
He also won 4GG.
He belongs in.
Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.
Yes, Biggio is a good example ...of a compiler. How many Stats did he lead during a season? HBP? Okay, i guess. He lead in Runs a couple of years, 2B's 3 years , & SB one year. No other stats of signifcance. Biggio's high in RBI's is 88(he averaged 67RBI/season). He wasn't a dominant player.
I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.
By that logic Mattingly should be in then.
Nope.
Ryan Howard should get in.
Nope.
Writers use your logic as of late, they have with Guerrero, Trammel, Morris, Hoffman and Raines.
None of them should be in.
There are a few more over the years that I scratch my head at also...
Again Biggio is 15th all-time in runs. Take a look at the five others below him.
But hey, we can disagree. I know you're wrong, lol.
Mattingly(5) & Howard(6) had about half the Prime year's Stats that Belle(10) had, and no, they should not be in. Belle should.
Not logic, when 12 seasons a player avg. is .295 40 HR & 130 RBI, tells me a HOFer. I know i would take that on my team for 12 years. Would you? I agree with you when i think of Trammel, Morris, Hoffman, i don't automatically think HOFers. Valdimir Guerrero i do think HOF. He was a 5-Tool player.
Johnny Damon scored more runs the Ken Griffey JR.
And yes, we can disagree, but i think both of us might be wrong>LOL
It was apparently "an aggressive offer," though it did not include any opt-outs and was said to be worth less than $400 million.
Harper did not take the deal, electing instead to explore free agency.
While the length of the offer is unknown, it was reportedly worth about $30-million per season, according to Bob Nightengale of USA TODAY Sports.
General manager Mike Rizzo explained, per Janes, the team was trying to get a head start with Harper before he hit the open market during negotiations throughout September.
"(We) took advantage of our exclusivity late in the season," he said, "(but) couldn't reach a deal."
The Nationals extended a qualifying offer to the former National League MVP last week, so if he does sign with a new team, Washington will receive a supplemental draft pick in 2019 as compensation.
It was apparently "an aggressive offer," though it did not include any opt-outs and was said to be worth less than $400 million.
Harper did not take the deal, electing instead to explore free agency.
While the length of the offer is unknown, it was reportedly worth about $30-million per season, according to Bob Nightengale of USA TODAY Sports.
General manager Mike Rizzo explained, per Janes, the team was trying to get a head start with Harper before he hit the open market during negotiations throughout September.
"(We) took advantage of our exclusivity late in the season," he said, "(but) couldn't reach a deal."
The Nationals extended a qualifying offer to the former National League MVP last week, so if he does sign with a new team, Washington will receive a supplemental draft pick in 2019 as compensation.
I wouldn't do any 10 year deals with a player ever... Too much can happen over that period of time.
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope. HR? 381, nope. Runs? 974, nope. SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.
Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.
Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.
Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.
Had 3000 hits.
Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.
He also won 4GG.
He belongs in.
Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.
Yes, Biggio is a good example ...of a compiler. How many Stats did he lead during a season? HBP? Okay, i guess. He lead in Runs a couple of years, 2B's 3 years , & SB one year. No other stats of signifcance. Biggio's high in RBI's is 88(he averaged 67RBI/season). He wasn't a dominant player.
I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.
By that logic Mattingly should be in then.
Nope.
Ryan Howard should get in.
Nope.
Writers use your logic as of late, they have with Guerrero, Trammel, Morris, Hoffman and Raines.
None of them should be in.
There are a few more over the years that I scratch my head at also...
Again Biggio is 15th all-time in runs. Take a look at the five others below him.
But hey, we can disagree. I know you're wrong, lol.
Mattingly(5) & Howard(6) had about half the Prime year's Stats that Belle(10) had, and no, they should not be in. Belle should.
Not logic, when 12 seasons a player avg. is .295 40 HR & 130 RBI, tells me a HOFer. I know i would take that on my team for 12 years. Would you? I agree with you when i think of Trammel, Morris, Hoffman, i don't automatically think HOFers. Valdimir Guerrero i do think HOF. He was a 5-Tool player.
Johnny Damon scored more runs the Ken Griffey JR.
And yes, we can disagree, but i think both of us might be wrong>LOL
10 years does not make you a HOFer. This isn't Football.
The Damon stat to JR is just silly. JR was so much more of a player. He did steal a lot of bases though.
If you go by WAR Belle is only 40, Biggio is 65, Damon 56 and Griffey at 86.
That is a weird stat but it holds merit in a lot of arguments.
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope. HR? 381, nope. Runs? 974, nope. SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.
Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.
Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.
Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.
Had 3000 hits.
Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.
He also won 4GG.
He belongs in.
Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.
Yes, Biggio is a good example ...of a compiler. How many Stats did he lead during a season? HBP? Okay, i guess. He lead in Runs a couple of years, 2B's 3 years , & SB one year. No other stats of signifcance. Biggio's high in RBI's is 88(he averaged 67RBI/season). He wasn't a dominant player.
I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.
Agree with you here. If you were never one of the top 10 or so players in your league at any time in your career I don't think you belong in the Hall of Fame. Biggio was very good but at no point was he really considered one of the best players in his league. For Hall of Fame a few dominant years means more to me than a long career piling up stats.
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.
He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope. HR? 381, nope. Runs? 974, nope. SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.
Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.
Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.
Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.
Had 3000 hits.
Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.
He also won 4GG.
He belongs in.
Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.
Yes, Biggio is a good example ...of a compiler. How many Stats did he lead during a season? HBP? Okay, i guess. He lead in Runs a couple of years, 2B's 3 years , & SB one year. No other stats of signifcance. Biggio's high in RBI's is 88(he averaged 67RBI/season). He wasn't a dominant player.
I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.
Agree with you here. If you were never one of the top 10 or so players in your league at any time in your career I don't think you belong in the Hall of Fame. Biggio was very good but at no point was he really considered one of the best players in his league. For Hall of Fame a few dominant years means more to me than a long career piling up stats.
Biggio was in the top 10 for MVP voting 3 times and an All-Star 7 times.
Again with thinking like that you'd have some killer players with short bursts.
Baseball is about stats. They all mean something, so if you hit one of those milestones you will be going to the HOF.
I also think Palmiero, Clemens, Bonds, McGwire and A-Rod should be in too.
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The Arizona Diamondbacks are willing to listen to trade offers for anyone on their team, including their two biggest stars in first baseman Paul Goldschmidt and right-hander Zack Greinke, reports Fancred Sports' Jon Heyman.
One rival executive suggested to Heyman a trade for Goldschmidt was still remote, while another said he thought the Diamondbacks would have to pay a significant portion of Greinke's salary to trade him.
Arizona's signings of Greinke and outfielder Yasmany Tomas (six years, $68.5 million), who was arrested in January for speeding and spent all of 2018 in the minor leagues, continue to hamstring the organization financially, according to The Athletic's Jeff Wiser, who adds the Diamondbacks are caught between playing in a tough division and payroll constraints.
The 31-year-old Goldschmidt has been one of the National League's best players since 2013, appearing in six straight All-Star games and finishing third or higher in MVP voting on three occasions.
He's eligible for free agency at the end of 2019 and will earn $14.5 million next season, so a trade while his value is still high could net the Diamondbacks a nice return.
Greinke, 35, has three years and $104.5 million remaining on the six-year contract he signed with Arizona prior to the 2016 season.
Since signing with the Diamondbacks, the veteran starter owns a 45-25 record with a 3.53 ERA and 1.13 WHIP. However, as Wiser points out, the deal weighs heavily on the team's payroll and they'd almost surely like to get out from under the contract if they can.
Hall worthy numbers?
Hits? 1700, nope.
HR? 381, nope.
Runs? 974, nope.
SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...
What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.
For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.
Report: Mariners considering teardown
Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?
Check out his stats and notice he has a lot of Bold print: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/belleal01.shtml
Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.
Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.
Had 3000 hits.
Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.
He also won 4GG.
He belongs in.
Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.
I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.
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Nope.
Ryan Howard should get in.
Nope.
Writers use your logic as of late, they have with Guerrero, Trammel, Morris, Hoffman and Raines.
None of them should be in.
There are a few more over the years that I scratch my head at also...
Again Biggio is 15th all-time in runs. Take a look at the five others below him.
But hey, we can disagree. I know you're wrong, lol.
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Not logic, when 12 seasons a player avg. is .295 40 HR & 130 RBI, tells me a HOFer. I know i would take that on my team for 12 years. Would you? I agree with you when i think of Trammel, Morris, Hoffman, i don't automatically think HOFers. Valdimir Guerrero i do think HOF. He was a 5-Tool player.
Johnny Damon scored more runs the Ken Griffey JR.
And yes, we can disagree, but i think both of us might be wrong>LOL
The Washington Nationals reportedly offered star outfielder Bryce Harper a new long-term contract to stay with the club on the last day of the regular season, according to Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post.
It was apparently "an aggressive offer," though it did not include any opt-outs and was said to be worth less than $400 million.
Harper did not take the deal, electing instead to explore free agency.
While the length of the offer is unknown, it was reportedly worth about $30-million per season, according to Bob Nightengale of USA TODAY Sports.
General manager Mike Rizzo explained, per Janes, the team was trying to get a head start with Harper before he hit the open market during negotiations throughout September.
"(We) took advantage of our exclusivity late in the season," he said, "(but) couldn't reach a deal."
The Nationals extended a qualifying offer to the former National League MVP last week, so if he does sign with a new team, Washington will receive a supplemental draft pick in 2019 as compensation.
Has any 10yr deal been great?
Is Bonilla's contract up yet?
The Damon stat to JR is just silly. JR was so much more of a player. He did steal a lot of bases though.
If you go by WAR Belle is only 40, Biggio is 65, Damon 56 and Griffey at 86.
That is a weird stat but it holds merit in a lot of arguments.
Again with thinking like that you'd have some killer players with short bursts.
Baseball is about stats. They all mean something, so if you hit one of those milestones you will be going to the HOF.
I also think Palmiero, Clemens, Bonds, McGwire and A-Rod should be in too.
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VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14