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  • cutzcutz Posts: 11,807
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    :lol: >That made me laugh again. I think Washington should've put Nolan Ryan in the game to pitch> :lol:
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,812
    cutz wrote:
    cutz wrote:
    :lol: Good one. Plus, why was he in on the grass on Jeter? And don't you have to get in front of that ball A-Rod hit? I know it was hit hard, but this is the ALCS.

    I don't think he had time to get in front of it. It was a laser even on the slow motion replay

    If he had time to do a OLE', then he had time to get down in front of the ball. Like i said, this is the ALCS. NOT some game in early May.

    agreed. at worst he should have stopped the ball from going to the outfield.
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  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
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  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    Awesome. Now I can watch a great game without stressing.
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  • HUGE WIN!!

    It's good to see Halladay get roughed up a bit!

    Go Giants!!
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,812
    cliff lee pitching with a lead. oh boy...
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,812
    cliff lee is amazing...

    if i'm the rangers, not sure i'd want to use my closer in a blowout when you have 2 games in the next 2 days though...
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  • pureocpureoc Posts: 2,383
    Nice to see the Yankees get their ass kicked!!
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    Nice to see the Yankees get their ass kicked!!
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,002
    There's no way Lee leaves Texas after this run. Guaranteed the Rangers will match the years and as close as possible to the Yanks in dollars. With the huge RSN deal Texas signed with Fox Sports, and Nolan Ryan wanting to show a commitment to winning - especially through pitching - there is no way I see Lee leaving Texas.
  • There's no way Lee leaves Texas after this run. Guaranteed the Rangers will match the years and as close as possible to the Yanks in dollars. With the huge RSN deal Texas signed with Fox Sports, and Nolan Ryan wanting to show a commitment to winning - especially through pitching - there is no way I see Lee leaving Texas.

    I give Texas 15-20% chance of signing him. Maybe the Phillies will get him. :lol:

    Seriously, the Yanks have to just hand him a blank check, right?
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  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    You guys are underestimating the Rangers and their bank roll right now. Forget about the bankruptcy and Tom Hicks. All that is gone now. Greenberg and his financial backers are loaded and committed. Jearlpam0925 mentioned the FOX sports deal. That is huge. $1.6 billion. The Rangers plan on taking advantage of that deal.

    Lee's wife mentioned in the Dallas paper yesterday how happy they are in Texas after initially being shocked and a little disappointed. How they love the chemistry here. She said they are sick of moving around. They live in Benton, AR, which is only a 4 hour or so drive from Dallas. Since their son has been sick she says baseball isn't as important to Cliff as it once was. She was amazed that Cliff was able to come home during the season. The Rangers allowed him to travel home some between starts, something he has never been able to do.

    I don't know about the Yankees farm system, but I know the Rangers have a solid, young, talented team that is going to be good for awhile. The Rangers could have won the division without Lee. Just looking at the current Yankees I see age. Jeter, A-Rod, Posada, Pettitte, Rivera, etc. I see greatness, for sure, and legends, but also age.

    Like I said though, I don't know enough about the Yankees to know what is coming up. I do know they didn't have enough to make Seattle pull the trigger. The Rangers did and still didn't come close to selling out the farm. They are stocked.

    Don't count the Rangers out. I am not saying he won't go to New York, he likely will. There is that Yankee mystique that must tug on every player in MLB. But it is not the automatic everyone thinks it is and it is irritating to read writers and hear commentators speak as if this is already a done deal.
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,002
    Flagg, the Yanks/M's deal was supposed to be a done deal. Seattle pulled back when they found out Texas was throwing in Smoak. Apparently that trumps anything NY was offering, even though he blows. And like I said, I'm not underestimating anything - you won't be Yankee payroll-ish, but I see a significant increase coming soon. After all the improvement they've made within the administrative level of the organization, it just makes a ton of sense for them to keep Lee - to show a commitment to the fans that things are definitely changing.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,809
    The Rangers are going to do everything they can to sign Cliff Lee, that is a given. And given the new TV deal, the new ownerships committment to winning, I see them having a shot.

    That said, look what the Yankees did with CC. They said they wanted him and did everything they could to sign him. They really didn't give him an opportunity to say no or sign with another team. I see them doing this and more for Lee. They need him and I understand the Rangers are in a good position but the Yankees will not lose out because of money.

    I just don't see the Yankees losing out on this one. Yes, the Rangers are going to be good, they have a good system, good management (Jon Daniels is the fucking man), and now good ownership but the Yankees are going to give him the best shot at winning year after year. Yes, the current team is aging but the Yankees will put a competitor on the field every year and pay him more than anyone else. If he feels that strongly about staying in Texas that he will take less money, more power to him, but given the way he left the Phillies and everything he has said I just can't see it happening.

    I did hear rumors at first that he didn't like Texas so it is interesting to see he has changed his tune. He has also stated a number of times that Yankee Stadium is his favorite place to pitch. Once after the complete game shut out he threw for the Mariners this year.

    Also keep in mind that Hamilton is due quite a big raise this year as well.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,809
    Flagg, the Yanks/M's deal was supposed to be a done deal. Seattle pulled back when they found out Texas was throwing in Smoak. Apparently that trumps anything NY was offering, even though he blows. And like I said, I'm not underestimating anything - you won't be Yankee payroll-ish, but I see a significant increase coming soon. After all the improvement they've made within the administrative level of the organization, it just makes a ton of sense for them to keep Lee - to show a commitment to the fans that things are definitely changing.

    I agree that it makes a ton of sense. But making a ton of sense and beating the Yankees in a bidding war are two very very different things.

    Edit: And I hate when a post starts a new page. My last post on the last page says why I think the Yanks will get him.
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    Flagg, the Yanks/M's deal was supposed to be a done deal. Seattle pulled back when they found out Texas was throwing in Smoak. Apparently that trumps anything NY was offering, even though he blows. And like I said, I'm not underestimating anything - you won't be Yankee payroll-ish, but I see a significant increase coming soon. After all the improvement they've made within the administrative level of the organization, it just makes a ton of sense for them to keep Lee - to show a commitment to the fans that things are definitely changing.


    Yeah, that's sort of what I meant. Once the Rangers threw in Smoak that was it, and still didn't empty the farm. And I am in agreement with you. But it seems like 90% of the sports experts in this country already have Lee slated to be a Yankee.
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,002
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Flagg, the Yanks/M's deal was supposed to be a done deal. Seattle pulled back when they found out Texas was throwing in Smoak. Apparently that trumps anything NY was offering, even though he blows. And like I said, I'm not underestimating anything - you won't be Yankee payroll-ish, but I see a significant increase coming soon. After all the improvement they've made within the administrative level of the organization, it just makes a ton of sense for them to keep Lee - to show a commitment to the fans that things are definitely changing.

    I agree that it makes a ton of sense. But making a ton of sense and beating the Yankees in a bidding war are two very very different things.

    Edit: And I hate when a post starts a new page. My last post on the last page says why I think the Yanks will get him.

    Yeah, I read it. Dude, I hear you and everything, but when I heard Cliff and then his agent on the radio when he was just traded away when we got Doc, they sounded honestly shocked - almost betrayed. Who knows, maybe it was posturing, but it really sounded like Lee was willing to work something out here. Anyway, you say NY did everything they could to sign CC. But against who? Milwaukee, who made a nice offer? The difference is, for this one player, Texas is in a great spot(much much much better than the Brewers) to offer him whatever he wants. And far in advance of talking to any other team. I could really see Texas offering him 6/130-150. That tv deal was a huge. And how can you say NY is a better preference because they're constantly competitive? That's because they open up the checkbook. And I don't see any other difference with Texas.

    My point is everyone who expect New York just to get him - it's more arrogance than anything, and the biggest reason I hate anything related with the Yankees - I think have a big chance of being disappointed.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,809
    Yeah, I read it. Dude, I hear you and everything, but when I heard Cliff and then his agent on the radio when he was just traded away when we got Doc, they sounded honestly shocked - almost betrayed. Who knows, maybe it was posturing, but it really sounded like Lee was willing to work something out here. Anyway, you say NY did everything they could to sign CC. But against who? Milwaukee, who made a nice offer? The difference is, for this one player, Texas is in a great spot(much much much better than the Brewers) to offer him whatever he wants. And far in advance of talking to any other team. I could really see Texas offering him 6/130-150. That tv deal was a huge. And how can you say NY is a better preference because they're constantly competitive? That's because they open up the checkbook. And I don't see any other difference with Texas.

    I hear what they said after but I do think Lee has always wanted to hit free agency. He has never had a huge pay day.

    But the thing was, everyone said CC didn't want to go to New York and they made it happen. They had to give him an opt out in case he didn't like it there. Sure there was not a huge competitor but they did everything in their power to sign him and not give him an option.

    Sure Texas is in a much better financial situation than they were a few years ago, no doubt about it. And they have a shit ton of room to expand their small payroll. But do you really see them going from $65mil to $200 mil over the course of the next couple years, even $170? The Yankees gave CC 7/$161, Lee is not going to touch a penny under than annually. And do you think Lee is going to sign a contract with the Rangers before he even gets an offer from the yankees?

    And the fact alone that CC has an opt out after next year, even though he says he will not exercise it, makes the Yankees need for Lee even bigger.
  • Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I hear what they said after but I do think Lee has always wanted to hit free agency. He has never had a huge pay day.

    But the thing was, everyone said CC didn't want to go to New York and they made it happen. They had to give him an opt out in case he didn't like it there. Sure there was not a huge competitor but they did everything in their power to sign him and not give him an option.

    Sure Texas is in a much better financial situation than they were a few years ago, no doubt about it. And they have a shit ton of room to expand their small payroll. But do you really see them going from $65mil to $200 mil over the course of the next couple years, even $170? The Yankees gave CC 7/$161, Lee is not going to touch a penny under than annually. And do you think Lee is going to sign a contract with the Rangers before he even gets an offer from the yankees?

    And the fact alone that CC has an opt out after next year, even though he says he will not exercise it, makes the Yankees need for Lee even bigger.

    I didn't know about that opt-out - interesting. I don't think he could do any better anyway though - that contract is obviously above-market.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,809
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I hear what they said after but I do think Lee has always wanted to hit free agency. He has never had a huge pay day.

    But the thing was, everyone said CC didn't want to go to New York and they made it happen. They had to give him an opt out in case he didn't like it there. Sure there was not a huge competitor but they did everything in their power to sign him and not give him an option.

    Sure Texas is in a much better financial situation than they were a few years ago, no doubt about it. And they have a shit ton of room to expand their small payroll. But do you really see them going from $65mil to $200 mil over the course of the next couple years, even $170? The Yankees gave CC 7/$161, Lee is not going to touch a penny under than annually. And do you think Lee is going to sign a contract with the Rangers before he even gets an offer from the yankees?

    And the fact alone that CC has an opt out after next year, even though he says he will not exercise it, makes the Yankees need for Lee even bigger.

    I didn't know about that opt-out - interesting. I don't think he could do any better anyway though - that contract is obviously above-market.

    Well, a lot of people think he is going to exercise it, although he was asked about it recently and said there is no way and that New York is is new home. I think what makes people nervous is that if he has 3 great years, and then opts out he might not get as much annually but will get a team to give him more than 4 years for a higher total.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,809
    Braves released Melky. Shitty trade for both teams. Boone Loogan has probably been the most productive piece of the trade. Pretty crazy.
  • Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Braves released Melky. Shitty trade for both teams. Boone Loogan has probably been the most productive piece of the trade. Pretty crazy.

    So, don't Melky's struggles in the National League kind of debunk all that stupid AL is Superior shit?
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,809
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Braves released Melky. Shitty trade for both teams. Boone Loogan has probably been the most productive piece of the trade. Pretty crazy.

    So, don't Melky's struggles in the National League kind of debunk all that stupid AL is Superior shit?

    Or Melky just stinks.
  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Braves released Melky. Shitty trade for both teams. Boone Loogan has probably been the most productive piece of the trade. Pretty crazy.

    So, don't Melky's struggles in the National League kind of debunk all that stupid AL is Superior shit?

    Or Melky just stinks.


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  • Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Braves released Melky. Shitty trade for both teams. Boone Loogan has probably been the most productive piece of the trade. Pretty crazy.

    So, don't Melky's struggles in the National League kind of debunk all that stupid AL is Superior shit?

    Or Melky just stinks.

    I think with a guy like Cabrera, it's one of those the more you see of him, the more he gets exposed. Also worth noting is that this article describes him as taking bad routes to the ball defensively and looking lackadasical in the field. Plus hitting four home runs and a .631 OPS didn't help his cause either.


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    Or Melky just stinks.

    I think with a guy like Cabrera, it's one of those the more you see of him, the more he gets exposed. Also worth noting is that this article describes him as taking bad routes to the ball defensively and looking lackadasical in the field. Plus hitting four home runs and a .631 OPS didn't help his cause either.


    http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/arti ... l&c_id=atl

    We all know he stinks, but it seemed like he stunk less with the Yankees. Whatever - who gives a shit? Sorry I perpetuated the Melky talk.
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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    MLB is shitting right now with the thought of rangers giants. Ws

    2 states would be watching
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  • MLB is shitting right now with the thought of rangers giants. Ws

    2 states would be watching

    Similar to a Yanks/Phils World Series!! No one cares! Phils/Rays was probably the worst one ever mainly because of the weather. A west coast or east series is always bad for baseball!
  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    MLB is shitting right now with the thought of rangers giants. Ws

    2 states would be watching

    Similar to a Yanks/Phils World Series!! No one cares! Phils/Rays was probably the worst one ever mainly because of the weather. A west coast or east series is always bad for baseball!


    You are crazy...baseball wants phials yanks rematch by a mile

    Got awesome ratings last year
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    MLB is shitting right now with the thought of rangers giants. Ws

    2 states would be watching

    dallas is the #5 tv market and sf is #6...fox is happy
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