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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    norm wrote:
    MLB is shitting right now with the thought of rangers giants. Ws

    2 states would be watching

    dallas is the #5 tv market and sf is #6...fox is happy


    No way dude you are nuts also
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • norm wrote:
    MLB is shitting right now with the thought of rangers giants. Ws

    2 states would be watching

    dallas is the #5 tv market and sf is #6...fox is happy


    No way dude you are nuts also

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    Probably one of the more popular world series just because the Rangers have never won one and the Giants have never won in SF! Underdog story of the year!! We will see! If it's the Yanks or Phils fox can continue this handjob they've been giving both these teams! :)
  • pureocpureoc Posts: 2,383
    MLB is shitting right now with the thought of rangers giants. Ws

    2 states would be watching

    Similar to a Yanks/Phils World Series!! No one cares! Phils/Rays was probably the worst one ever mainly because of the weather. A west coast or east series is always bad for baseball!


    You are crazy...baseball wants phials yanks rematch by a mile

    Got awesome ratings last year

    Unless someone's a NY or PHI fan I doubt they want a rematch of NY PHI. It sucked last year, and it will suck even more this year. Go TEX and SF.
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  • pureocpureoc Posts: 2,383
    Did anyone else see that SF paraded Barry Bonds out before the game today. Are you fn' kidding me? This guy is hands down "THE" biggest disgrace in the game, and possibly in all of sports. Why would you parade him out. The SF fans that cheered him should be ashamed of themselves. I don't want PHI to win this series but I think the baseball gods will have their way with this one.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,875
    Fuck that dude, Barry bonds gave sf 15 years of some of the greatest baseball you will ever see played. Yes, he cheated but he is also one of the greatest hitters to ever play the game. San fran loves bonds and should. I am not a fan of his but he is the best hitter I have ever seen play.

    I hate when people act like steroids took some sort of joy out of baseball. Sure, players cheated but some of my favorite baseball memories are from this time and that will never change
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    pureoc wrote:
    Did anyone else see that SF paraded Barry Bonds out before the game today. Are you fn' kidding me? This guy is hands down "THE" biggest disgrace in the game, and possibly in all of sports. Why would you parade him out. The SF fans that cheered him should be ashamed of themselves. I don't want PHI to win this series but I think the baseball gods will have their way with this one.

    he looks about 30 pounds lighter too...circa early/mid nineties bonds :roll: .what a fraud.

    i'm a little surprised fox didn't play up the bonds/howard angle more today...especially after another hit to left. seems like an interesting story that a national audience not familiar with it would enjoy hearing.
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,073
    norm wrote:
    MLB is shitting right now with the thought of rangers giants. Ws

    2 states would be watching

    dallas is the #5 tv market and sf is #6...fox is happy

    Yeah, and New York and Philly are 1 and 4. Ummmm, yeah....
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    i wonder what the yankee fans, who are left, will throw at rangers players tonight

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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,199
    i wonder what the yankee fans, who are left, will throw at rangers players tonight

    http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/10/ne ... s-too.html

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  • pureocpureoc Posts: 2,383
    i wonder what the yankee fans, who are left, will throw at rangers players tonight

    http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/10/ne ... s-too.html


    Yankee Stadium well over half empty while a playoff game is still being played, a beautful sight!!!
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  • pureocpureoc Posts: 2,383
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Fuck that dude, Barry bonds gave sf 15 years of some of the greatest baseball you will ever see played. Yes, he cheated but he is also one of the greatest hitters to ever play the game. San fran loves bonds and should. I am not a fan of his but he is the best hitter I have ever seen play.

    I hate when people act like steroids took some sort of joy out of baseball. Sure, players cheated but some of my favorite baseball memories are from this time and that will never change


    And all that shouldn't mean shit if you cheated and are a fraud. I'm a Cubs fan and I hope Sosa never gets to step foot anywhwere near Wrigley. Our management may suck at fielding a team, but I don't think they'd be stupid enough to parade Sosa out their like the SF management did with Barroid Bonds. Sosa would get booed bigtime, not cheered like stupid SF fans with Bonds.
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    Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
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    Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,073
    It's hilarious how people get up on their high horse on this steroid nonsense.
  • pureoc wrote:
    i wonder what the yankee fans, who are left, will throw at rangers players tonight

    http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/10/ne ... s-too.html


    Yankee Stadium well over half empty while a playoff game is still being played, a beautful sight!!!


    Amen to that!

    The day the Yankees are eliminated from the playoffs makes me just about as happy as when any of "my" teams win a title. Maybe happier the more I think about it. ;)

    This series should already be over, so here's hoping it ends quick.
  • pureocpureoc Posts: 2,383
    pureoc wrote:
    i wonder what the yankee fans, who are left, will throw at rangers players tonight

    http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/10/ne ... s-too.html


    Yankee Stadium well over half empty while a playoff game is still being played, a beautful sight!!!


    Amen to that!

    The day the Yankees are eliminated from the playoffs makes me just about as happy as when any of "my" teams win a title. Maybe happier the more I think about it. ;)

    This series should already be over, so here's hoping it ends quick.


    Here's hoping it ends today, so we can see more shots of an empty Yankee stadium!!
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  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,300
    i wonder what the yankee fans, who are left, will throw at rangers players tonight

    http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/10/ne ... s-too.html

    Those people are idiots and don't represent a majority of Yankee fans. Just like if that happened in any other city, a small segment of douchebags don't represent the entire fanbase.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,199
    i wonder what the yankee fans, who are left, will throw at rangers players tonight

    http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/10/ne ... s-too.html

    Those people are idiots and don't represent a majority of Yankee fans. Just like if that happened in any other city, a small segment of douchebags don't represent the entire fanbase.

    I would agree with that, they are idiots amongst all MLB team's fanbase especially when you mix in alcohol.

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  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    i wonder what the yankee fans, who are left, will throw at rangers players tonight

    http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/10/ne ... s-too.html

    Those people are idiots and don't represent a majority of Yankee fans. Just like if that happened in any other city, a small segment of douchebags don't represent the entire fanbase.

    Yeah, just like all of us down here aren't redneck, gun-toting, Cowboy-hat-wearing, flag-waving, goofballs. Well, most of us.
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  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,300
    Flagg wrote:
    i wonder what the yankee fans, who are left, will throw at rangers players tonight

    http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/10/ne ... s-too.html

    Those people are idiots and don't represent a majority of Yankee fans. Just like if that happened in any other city, a small segment of douchebags don't represent the entire fanbase.

    Yeah, just like all of us down here aren't redneck, gun-toting, Cowboy-hat-wearing, flag-waving, goofballs. Well, most of us.

    I can assure you that I will never make that generalization. One thing that really amazes me is Vladimir Guerrero's career numbers at every level where he has hit .300 at every level and his worst season for a batting average is .295, which he did last year when he was injured.
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,316
    pureoc wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Fuck that dude, Barry bonds gave sf 15 years of some of the greatest baseball you will ever see played. Yes, he cheated but he is also one of the greatest hitters to ever play the game. San fran loves bonds and should. I am not a fan of his but he is the best hitter I have ever seen play.

    I hate when people act like steroids took some sort of joy out of baseball. Sure, players cheated but some of my favorite baseball memories are from this time and that will never change


    And all that shouldn't mean shit if you cheated and are a fraud. I'm a Cubs fan and I hope Sosa never gets to step foot anywhwere near Wrigley. Our management may suck at fielding a team, but I don't think they'd be stupid enough to parade Sosa out their like the SF management did with Barroid Bonds. Sosa would get booed bigtime, not cheered like stupid SF fans with Bonds.

    cliffy is right on the money :mrgreen:

    sosa probably would get booed.....bonds got cheered because, "cheater" or not, he never quit on his team like the bunny hopper did.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    imalive wrote:
    pureoc wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Fuck that dude, Barry bonds gave sf 15 years of some of the greatest baseball you will ever see played. Yes, he cheated but he is also one of the greatest hitters to ever play the game. San fran loves bonds and should. I am not a fan of his but he is the best hitter I have ever seen play.

    I hate when people act like steroids took some sort of joy out of baseball. Sure, players cheated but some of my favorite baseball memories are from this time and that will never change


    And all that shouldn't mean shit if you cheated and are a fraud. I'm a Cubs fan and I hope Sosa never gets to step foot anywhwere near Wrigley. Our management may suck at fielding a team, but I don't think they'd be stupid enough to parade Sosa out their like the SF management did with Barroid Bonds. Sosa would get booed bigtime, not cheered like stupid SF fans with Bonds.

    cliffy is right on the money :mrgreen:

    sosa probably would get booed.....bonds got cheered because, "cheater" or not, he never quit on his team like the bunny hopper did.

    bonds never got caught with a corked bat either.

    anyone that thinks fox isn't pulling for a phils/yanks rematch is kidding themselves. there is an east coast bias in the media because the ratings in east coast cities are better (more people = better ratings). I hate when the west coast cries about this, it's not tough to comprehend. who cares anyway?? people should be happy when their team is winning and not give a fuck about the media coverage.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,875
    Not to mention Sosa is not 1/10000000000000000th of the player Bonds was.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    imalive wrote:
    pureoc wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Fuck that dude, Barry bonds gave sf 15 years of some of the greatest baseball you will ever see played. Yes, he cheated but he is also one of the greatest hitters to ever play the game. San fran loves bonds and should. I am not a fan of his but he is the best hitter I have ever seen play.

    I hate when people act like steroids took some sort of joy out of baseball. Sure, players cheated but some of my favorite baseball memories are from this time and that will never change


    And all that shouldn't mean shit if you cheated and are a fraud. I'm a Cubs fan and I hope Sosa never gets to step foot anywhwere near Wrigley. Our management may suck at fielding a team, but I don't think they'd be stupid enough to parade Sosa out their like the SF management did with Barroid Bonds. Sosa would get booed bigtime, not cheered like stupid SF fans with Bonds.

    cliffy is right on the money :mrgreen:

    sosa probably would get booed.....bonds got cheered because, "cheater" or not, he never quit on his team like the bunny hopper did.
    they're both frauds.
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  • tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    Apparently Manny Ramirez wouldn't mind playing in Toronto next season.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    Apparently Manny Ramirez wouldn't mind playing in Toronto next season.

    does toronto mind?
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  • tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    Apparently Manny Ramirez wouldn't mind playing in Toronto next season.

    does toronto mind?
    The fans seem to be split on the decision and I doubt the GM will say anything but "anythings possible". Overbay is probably on his way out and they were grooming our current DH to replace him at 1st. Ownership has said for a few years now that they're willing to spend the money, but only if a deal makes sense and Rogers Communications has does have deep pockets.
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,316
    Apparently Manny Ramirez wouldn't mind playing in Toronto next season.

    does toronto mind?

    :lol::lol::lol:

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  • Nuns selling rare Honus Wagner card
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    BALTIMORE -- Sister Virginia Muller had never heard of shortstop Honus Wagner.

    But she quickly learned the baseball great is a revered figure among collectors, and the most sought-after baseball card in history. And thanks to an unexpected donation, one of the century-old cards belongs to Muller and her order, the Baltimore-based School Sisters of Notre Dame.

    The Roman Catholic nuns are auctioning off the card, which despite its poor condition is expected to fetch between $150,000 and $200,000. The proceeds will go to their ministries in 35 countries around the world.

    Honus Wagner cards, such as this one seen in Los Angeles in 2008, have sold for millions.

    The card is part of the T206 series, produced between 1909 and 1911. About 60 Wagner cards are known to exist.

    A near-mint-condition T206 Wagner card sold in 2007 for $2.8 million, the highest price ever for a baseball card. Muller remains aghast that the 1¼-inch-by-2½-inch piece of cardboard could sell for even a fraction of that.

    "It just boggles your mind," Muller told The Associated Press. "I can't remember a time when we have received anything like this."

    The brother of a nun who died in 1999 left all his possessions to the order when he died earlier this year. The man's lawyer told Muller he had a Honus Wagner card in a safe-deposit box.

    When they opened the box, they found the card, with a typewritten note: "Although damaged, the value of this baseball card should increase exponentially throughout the 21st century!"

    The card was unknown to the sports-memorabilia marketplace because the nuns' benefactor had owned it since 1936.

    It has a big crease in the upper right-hand corner, and three of the white borders have been cut off. It has also been laminated. But even in poor condition, a T206 Wagner card is prized by collectors, said Chris Ivy, director of sports auctions at Heritage Auction Galleries in Dallas, which is auctioning the card.

    "The T206 set is known as 'The Monster' among collectors. It's just really tough to complete the entire set," Ivy said. The Wagner card is "one of those that's always sought-after, always desirable, and there's not a big population of them. Even in a lower grade, they do have quite a bit of demand and command a strong price."

    Wagner, nicknamed "The Flying Dutchman," played for 21 seasons, 18 of them with the Pittsburgh Pirates. He compiled a .328 career batting average and was one of the five original inductees into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

    The card was printed during the prime of Wagner's career, but the American Tobacco Company ended production soon after it began. Some say Wagner didn't want to promote tobacco products to children. Others believe it was a dispute over money that led to the card being pulled.

    On the card, Wagner appears stocky and pale, with his hair parted down the middle and the city on his jersey spelled as "Pittsburg," the official spelling at the time.

    The auction ends Nov. 4, and the highest bid was $60,000 as of Wednesday morning.

    Muller is making frequent checks to the Heritage Auction Galleries website -- an unusual practice for someone who's taken a vow of poverty. But potential bidders should know that the sale of the card will help people worldwide.

    "The money that we receive from this card will be used for the many School Sisters of Notre Dame who are around the world, who need support for their ministries for the poor," Muller said.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    1. Bonds isn't villified because he cheated - he's villified because he still refuses to admit he cheated ... despite overwhelming evidence, he still continues to do the coward thing and lie ... that is why people hate Bonds.

    2. Not sure about Manny in Toronto - it all depends on his attitude. I'd rather see money spent on the pitching front ... if the team can manufacture a few more runs like Farell is talking about - we'd be fine in the offence categories ...
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,316
    polaris_x wrote:
    1. Bonds isn't villified because he cheated - he's villified because he still refuses to admit he cheated ... despite overwhelming evidence, he still continues to do the coward thing and lie ... that is why people hate Bonds.
    no one has admitted to much....arod, papi, mcgwire, manny.....they were all pretty much vague and didn't tell the truth. people hate bonds because the MEDIA has told them he is especially loathsome. also, he really can't come clean now....not with a perjury trial hanging over his head.
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