MLB 2024 Off Season

SVRDhand13

DS1119 wrote:

81 wrote:

yeah thought at first he didn't go around. First perfect game since Halladay a few years back

I don't think there was anyway that ump was going to say he didn't go around? Who was that guy who lost the no hitter to a bad umpire call a couple of years ago?

Detroit pitcher lost the perfect game on a bad call[/quote]



It was a play at first wasn't it?[/quote]

It was a play at first and it would have been the third perfect game in the 2010 season. That stat blows my mind.

Monster Rain

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

If ever there was evidence that some people take theoretical stats like WAR way too seriously, the latest si.com Power Rankings column is it. They have the Royals ranked 7th because their WAR says they should have a .544 Winning Percentage and 8 wins instead of 3. They just lost their 11th consecutive game, but FanGraphs says their formulas that are supposed to predict results is less-flawed than reality so they're #7.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/b ... mlb_t12_a0

I just opened this thread to start an X-WL (expected win loss) discussion and was pleasantly surprised to see this post. I actually do think it is a good indicator of where a team will end up later on in the year. I expect the Royals to start racking up some wins based on what you wrote above, and I expect the Nationals' winning percentage to drop significantly within the next few weeks. Record of 1 run games is interesting to view at the same time as X-WL.

I can buy that to a certain extent, but I think it gets taken as gospel by some people instead of being treated as the theory that it actually is. While the Royals do have some good young talent, nobody can realitically say that they are the 7th-best team in the AL let alone 7th in all of MLB. Even people who are optimistic about the team's future acknowledge that they need more pitching before they are really contenders. In a year or two they might be a threat to the Tigers, but these rankings are just as bad as the rankings the author seems to criticize at the start of the article for being based on a "gut feeling." Really, any formula that says the Tigers and Rays are middle-of-the-pack teams who should be playing .507 and .495 baseball and the Royals should be that high has to be flawed so why would the author follow it blindly and not allow himself any room for input based on what his eyes tell him?

SVRDhand13

Monster Rain wrote:

I can buy that to a certain extent, but I think it gets taken as gospel by some people instead of being treated as the theory that it actually is. While the Royals do have some good young talent, nobody can realitically say that they are the 7th-best team in the AL let alone 7th in all of MLB. Even people who are optimistic about the team's future acknowledge that they need more pitching before they are really contenders. In a year or two they might be a threat to the Tigers, but these rankings are just as bad as the rankings the author seems to criticize at the start of the article for being based on a "gut feeling." Really, any formula that says the Tigers and Rays are middle-of-the-pack teams who should be playing .507 and .495 baseball and the Royals should be that high has to be flawed so why would the author follow it blindly and not allow himself any room for input based on what his eyes tell him?

I see what you're saying. I have always thought power rankings are a waste of time and just now looked at these ones. I love the Braves, but don't think they deserve a #4 spot right now, especially ahead of the Dodgers who whooped them last night.

Monster Rain

SVRDhand13 wrote:

I see what you're saying. I have always thought power rankings are a waste of time and just now looked at these ones. I love the Braves, but don't think they deserve a #4 spot right now, especially ahead of the Dodgers who whooped them last night.

Yeah, any Power Rankings will have flaws and anyone trying to rank teams 3 weeks into the season is pretty much writing for the sake of writing. I'll give that list this much, though: I rarely give a crap about Power Ranking at all, let alone this early so they got me to pay closer attention than I would have if they put KC 30th. I'm sure that guy will be getting a ton of e-mails and comments on Twitter/Facebook from people who now hate him and think he's the worst thing to happen to sports since steroids. I think most writers prefer an angry reaction over no reaction, so he's got that going for him.

Monster Rain

Jason Bay is making his annual trip to the DL. He's got a broken rib after falling chasing a fly ball in the 2nd game of yesterday's double-header.

Wobbie

the way pujols' contract is set up, he is "only" making $12M this year.....so with 1/10 of the season gone, he has made $1.2M for his 0 HRs and 4 RBIs...

Monster Rain

When I first heard about the Dontrelle Willis AWOL situation with the Orioles I thought it wasn't anything very interesting--just a disgruntled, delusional, washed-up pitcher who took his ball and went home. It's getting kind of interesting, though. He and his agent claim that an Orioles official gave him permission to leave and seek a job elsewhere and his agent took a jab at Dan Duquette and the O's over their Korean ban and suggestions that Willis might pitch in Korea.

Dontrelle Willis was placed on the restricted list by the Baltimore Orioles list after, according to them anyway, he went AWOL as the result of his unhappiness at being forced to work from the pen instead of starting.

Willis, through his agent Matt Sosnick, says that is hooey — they say he left the team with consent — and they are filing a grievance. Jerry Crasnick of ESPN Reports:

Pitcher Dontrelle Willis is filing a grievance against the Baltimore Orioles, alleging that the club placed him on the restricted list and is preventing him from signing with another organization even though he left the Orioles’ Triple-A affiliate with the consent of a team official.

Willis received permission from Tripp Norton, Baltimore’s director of baseball administration, before leaving the Norfolk Tides last Wednesday, said agent Matt Sosnick.

Sosnick says that Norton said “we don’t want a player doing something he doesn’t want to do” and said he was thus free to leave. There are a bunch of additional quotes from Sosnick and Willis which strongly suggests that, at least in the minds of Sosnick and Willis, Willis had full permission to leave. If it was an open question, I’m not sure they’d be so forthcoming and adamant about it.

Oh, and there is a sick, sick burn of Dan Duquette in the last paragraph, when Sosnick responds to speculation that Willis might have offers to play in Japan or Korea:

“I have not been contacted by any Asian team about Dontrelle,” Sosnick said. “But I know that Dan has closer ties to Korea than I do, so maybe he knows something that I don’t know.”

Dan Duquette’s Orioles, of course, have been banned from any activity in Korea due to scouting misdeeds there. At least that’s what I hope Sosnick was referencing.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/ ... e-orioles/

SVRDhand13

Monster Rain wrote:

When I first heard about the Dontrelle Willis AWOL situation with the Orioles I thought it wasn't anything very interesting--just a disgruntled, delusional, washed-up pitcher who took his ball and went home. It's getting kind of interesting, though. He and his agent claim that an Orioles official gave him permission to leave and seek a job elsewhere and his agent took a jab at Dan Duquette and the O's over their Korean ban and suggestions that Willis might pitch in Korea.

It's crazy to think that his breakout happened 9 years ago when the Marlins won the World Series. About 4 years ago I went to a minor league Braves game in Richmond, VA and was very surprised to see DW starting for the opposing team.

Cliffy6745

Mixed reception for reyes from the 14 fans at citi field

Gary Carter

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Mixed reception for reyes from the 14 fans at citi field

I heard more boos and deservedly so.

Why would anyone wanna pitch in Korea? Lol.

SVRDhand13

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Mixed reception for reyes from the 14 fans at citi field

He deserved a huge amount of boos. Mets fans should be ashamed.

perfectlefts14

Guy spends 10k on baseball tattoo:
http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/ ... o/10630534

Wobbie

St. Louis in first, Angels in last 7.5 out and Poo Hole is still looking for HR #1.....there's something very karmically satisfying about that.

SVRDhand13

imalive wrote:

St. Louis in first, Angels in last 7.5 out and Poo Hole is still looking for HR #1.....there's something very karmically satisfying about that.

I picked the Angels going to the AL Championship Series :oops:. I realize its SO early in the season, but wow they are not looking good.

The Fixer

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Mixed reception for reyes from the 14 fans at citi field

He deserved a huge amount of boos. Mets fans should be ashamed.

why did he deserve boos? because he didn't want to play for a franchise with a ton of issues? or because he went to a team that offered him more money?

either way I don't understand why fans think they should boo players for leaving as free agents.

Wobbie

just heard that, due to the unbalanced schedule, the orioles played 103 games last year vs. above .500 teams....while the tigers played 51 such games and the rangers played 60. makes no sense.

polaris_x

imalive wrote:

just heard that, due to the unbalanced schedule, the orioles played 103 games last year vs. above .500 teams....while the tigers played 51 such games and the rangers played 60. makes no sense.

what part doesn't make sense?

The Fixer

imalive wrote:

just heard that, due to the unbalanced schedule, the orioles played 103 games last year vs. above .500 teams....while the tigers played 51 such games and the rangers played 60. makes no sense.

if they balance the schedule they might as well get rid of the divisions.

Wobbie

polaris_x wrote:

imalive wrote:

just heard that, due to the unbalanced schedule, the orioles played 103 games last year vs. above .500 teams....while the tigers played 51 such games and the rangers played 60. makes no sense.

what part doesn't make sense?

the part that makes it soooooo much easier to grab a wild card if you're in the AL west or central.

81

imalive wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

imalive wrote:

just heard that, due to the unbalanced schedule, the orioles played 103 games last year vs. above .500 teams....while the tigers played 51 such games and the rangers played 60. makes no sense.

what part doesn't make sense?

the part that makes it soooooo much easier to grab a wild card if you're in the AL west or central.

you could say the same thing for any sport. some team is alway goingn to have an easier scheudule....unless you go to a round robin set up, then people are going to complain that so and so was hurt when you played him, but on fire when we played them.

Wobbie

81 wrote:

imalive wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

what part doesn't make sense?

the part that makes it soooooo much easier to grab a wild card if you're in the AL west or central.

you could say the same thing for any sport. some team is alway goingn to have an easier scheudule....unless you go to a round robin set up, then people are going to complain that so and so was hurt when you played him, but on fire when we played them.

it's also easier if you play in the shit ass NL central

The Fixer

imalive wrote:

81 wrote:

imalive wrote:

the part that makes it soooooo much easier to grab a wild card if you're in the AL west or central.

you could say the same thing for any sport. some team is alway goingn to have an easier scheudule....unless you go to a round robin set up, then people are going to complain that so and so was hurt when you played him, but on fire when we played them.

it's also easier if you play in the shit ass NL central

or NL West

polaris_x

imalive wrote:

the part that makes it soooooo much easier to grab a wild card if you're in the AL west or central.

well ... yeah ... it isn't set up to be fair ...

Wobbie

The Fixer wrote:

imalive wrote:

it's also easier if you play in the shit ass NL central

or NL West

like I didn't see that coming :roll:

the only perennial pushover in the NL west is the padres....and even they're good occasionally. Don't mistake parity for shitiness.

SVRDhand13

The Fixer wrote:

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Mixed reception for reyes from the 14 fans at citi field

He deserved a huge amount of boos. Mets fans should be ashamed.

why did he deserve boos? because he didn't want to play for a franchise with a ton of issues? or because he went to a team that offered him more money?

either way I don't understand why fans think they should boo players for leaving as free agents.

Because he embarrassed the team by taking himself out of the last game of last season. Mets fans paid money to see him in uniform one more time and he disgraced the game by exiting early. His last act as a Met was walking off the field like a coward.

polaris_x

soooo ... :geek:

i took the wins and losses for each team in each division vs. non-divisional teams (within the same league - so, no interleague) ... to see if it highlights which divisions have the best teams ...

AL East 198 162 55.00%
AL Central 166 194 46.11%
AL West 170 178 48.85%
NL East 196 172 53.26%
NL Central 189 214 46.90%
NL West 286 277 50.80%

looks like the NL West is not too shabby ...

Newch91

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-l ... 07810.html

The Fixer

polaris_x wrote:

soooo ... :geek:

i took the wins and losses for each team in each division vs. non-divisional teams (within the same league - so, no interleague) ... to see if it highlights which divisions have the best teams ...

AL East 198 162 55.00%
AL Central 166 194 46.11%
AL West 170 178 48.85%
NL East 196 172 53.26%
NL Central 189 214 46.90%
NL West 286 277 50.80%

looks like the NL West is not too shabby ...

they really need to go back to 4 divisions and get rid of the terrible central divisions

polaris_x

The Fixer wrote:

they really need to go back to 4 divisions and get rid of the terrible central divisions

or go to a hard cap ... :P

Gary Carter

SVRDhand13 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

why did he deserve boos? because he didn't want to play for a franchise with a ton of issues? or because he went to a team that offered him more money?

either way I don't understand why fans think they should boo players for leaving as free agents.

Because he embarrassed the team by taking himself out of the last game of last season. Mets fans paid money to see him in uniform one more time and he disgraced the game by exiting early. His last act as a Met was walking off the field like a coward.

for a personal player no less. let's not also forget that he hasn't played a full season since 08 and fans wanted the mets to pay 100mil, that's crazy. When healthy, which is rare, hes a top 5 player. I'm glad the mets didn't have the money and even if they did I still don't think they woulda resigned him.