These are all team hall of fame players. Not retired jersey worthy players. That is like your team's Mt Rushmore. Especially when dealing with a franchise with such a long a rich history like the Yankees. The bar should be set several clicks above ONeill (or any of those other guys listed imo).
Jeter and Rivera should be the only 2 retired jerseys from that dynasty IMO.
I have this same issue with the Buffalo Sabres. In 50+ years they have had an OK history, only 6 Division titles, 2 Conference, yet have like 7 numbers retired. The bar has been set pretty low, and who knows what happens if they ever realize a dynasty and will 'need' to retire like 6 numbers out of it (should only be Hasek and Perreault right now).
These are all team hall of fame players. Not retired jersey worthy players. That is like your team's Mt Rushmore. Especially when dealing with a franchise with such a long a rich history like the Yankees. The bar should be set several clicks above ONeill (or any of those other guys listed imo).
Jeter and Rivera should be the only 2 retired jerseys from that dynasty IMO.
I have this same issue with the Buffalo Sabres. In 50+ years they have had an OK history, only 6 Division titles, 2 Conference, yet have like 7 numbers retired. The bar has been set pretty low, and who knows what happens if they ever realize a dynasty and will 'need' to retire like 6 numbers out of it (should only be Hasek and Perreault right now).
These are all team hall of fame players. Not retired jersey worthy players. That is like your team's Mt Rushmore. Especially when dealing with a franchise with such a long a rich history like the Yankees. The bar should be set several clicks above ONeill (or any of those other guys listed imo).
Jeter and Rivera should be the only 2 retired jerseys from that dynasty IMO.
I have this same issue with the Buffalo Sabres. In 50+ years they have had an OK history, only 6 Division titles, 2 Conference, yet have like 7 numbers retired. The bar has been set pretty low, and who knows what happens if they ever realize a dynasty and will 'need' to retire like 6 numbers out of it (should only be Hasek and Perreault right now).
Is one of them Mogilny or Turgeon?
No, thankfully, but there are people who want Mogilny (as well as Ryan Miller).
Its Tim Horton, Danny Gare, Pat LaFontaine, Dominik Hasek, Rene Robert, Gilbert Perreault, and Rick Martin
These are all team hall of fame players. Not retired jersey worthy players. That is like your team's Mt Rushmore. Especially when dealing with a franchise with such a long a rich history like the Yankees. The bar should be set several clicks above ONeill (or any of those other guys listed imo).
Jeter and Rivera should be the only 2 retired jerseys from that dynasty IMO.
I have this same issue with the Buffalo Sabres. In 50+ years they have had an OK history, only 6 Division titles, 2 Conference, yet have like 7 numbers retired. The bar has been set pretty low, and who knows what happens if they ever realize a dynasty and will 'need' to retire like 6 numbers out of it (should only be Hasek and Perreault right now).
Is one of them Mogilny or Turgeon?
No, thankfully, but there are people who want Mogilny (as well as Ryan Miller).
Its Tim Horton, Danny Gare, Pat LaFontaine, Dominik Hasek, Rene Robert, Gilbert Perreault, and Rick Martin
LaFontaine is deserving. All three I mentioned I believed played for the Isles at one time or another, lol.
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Bummer, looks like they will no Spring Training games to walk over and watch here in West Palm Beach. This is why the sport of baseball keeps waning in a distant abyss.
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This is just unbelievably stupid of MLB. You do everything possible to make sure there isn't missed games or delayed season. Fucking morons. The NFL and NBA can have all the issues they want off the field because at least they keep the games going. MLB has off field player issues, continued controversies about rules and fair play (sign stealing, doping, juiced balls, etc.) and can't even get the contracts figured out. Worst run league of all the major sports.
I wish I had hit the Cali lottery years ago when the Halos were up for sale. I was going to buy them if I had won. Price was like 300 million or so. I'm sure that team is worth wayyyy more than that now.
Yeah it is too east to blame the players. These owners are dirtballs.
yeah, but goddam, you’re making generational wealth to play a fucking GAME. fuck ‘em both.
If I had known then what I know now...
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Yeah it is too east to blame the players. These owners are dirtballs.
yeah, but goddam, you’re making generational wealth to play a fucking GAME. fuck ‘em both.
Only the stars. Guys who don’t hit 6 years really don’t make that much. I think I saw where the major league minimum is even lower than the NHL’s. Plus they hold back young players to delay their arbitration year by a year.
guys like tatis, harper, etc. lose like $200k per game missed. fuck ‘em.
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Yeah it is too east to blame the players. These owners are dirtballs.
yeah, but goddam, you’re making generational wealth to play a fucking GAME. fuck ‘em both.
Only the stars. Guys who don’t hit 6 years really don’t make that much. I think I saw where the major league minimum is even lower than the NHL’s. Plus they hold back young players to delay their arbitration year by a year.
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I had hoped against hope that I would not have to be in the position of canceling games. We worked hard to avoid an outcome that is bad for our fans, bad for our players and bad for our clubs.
I want to assure our fans that our failure to reach an agreement was not due to a lack of effort on the part of either party. The Players came here for nine days, worked hard and tried to make a deal. I appreciate their effort.
Our committee of Club representatives committed to the process, offered compromise after compromise, and hung in past the deadline to exhaust all efforts to reach an agreement.
So far, we have failed to achieve our mutual goal of a fair deal. The unfortunate thing is that the agreement we have offered has huge benefits for fans and players.
We have listened to the Players Association throughout this process. A primary goal of the Players Association has been to increase pay for younger players. As I have said previously, we agree and share that goal. We offered to raise the minimum salary to $700,000, an increase of $130,000 from 2021. We offered to create an annual bonus pool of $30 million for the very best young players. In total, we are offering a 33% raise to nearly two-thirds of Major League players and adding more than $100 million annually in additional compensation for younger players.
The proposal also addressed player and fan concerns about issues like service time and competitive issues. Baseball would for the first time have a draft lottery -- the most aggressive in professional sports. Also, for the first time ever, we agreed to an incentive system to encourage clubs to promote top prospects to their Opening Day rosters. We also proposed that the first andsecond-place finishers in the Rookie of the Year voting in each league would receive a full year of service.
The MLBPA asked to make free agency more robust. For the first time ever, we agreed to eliminate direct draft pick compensation, a change the MLBPA has sought for decades. On the Competitive Balance Tax, we offered a significantly larger first-year increase than in the last two agreements, bearing in mind that the Competitive Balance Tax is the only mechanism in the agreement that protects some semblance of a level playing field among clubs.
The International Draft would have more fairly allocated talent among the clubs and reduced abuses in some international markets.
We also listened to our fans. The expanded playoffs would bring the excitement of meaningful September baseball and postseason baseball to fans in more of our markets. While we preferred a 14-team format, when the format became a significant obstacle, we listened to the players’ concerns, and offered to compromise by accepting their 12-team format.
Finally, we offered a procedural agreement that would allow for the timely implementation of sorely needed rules like the pitch timer and elimination of shifts to improve the entertainment value of the game on the field. And we agreed to the universal DH.
So, what is next? The calendar dictates that we are not going to be able to play the first two series of regular season games and those games are officially canceled. We are prepared to continue negotiations. We have been informed that the MLBPA is headed back to New York meaning that no agreement is possible until at least Thursday. Currently, camps could not meaningfully operate until at least March 8th, leaving only 23 days before scheduled Opening Day.
We played without an agreement in 1994 and the players went on strike in August, forcing the cancellation of the World Series. It was a painful chapter in our game’s history. We cannot risk such an outcome again for our fans and our sport.
The Clubs and our owners fully understand just how important it is to our millions of fans that we get the game on the field as soon as possible. To that end, we want to bargain and we want a deal with the Players Association as quickly as possible.
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The season should get a 1 year contract ext, same as before so they have all of this year for the reps to figure it out.
Reggie brought them back prominence and to the WS and won back to back but missed in 81.
Bernie I wouldn't have a problem with. Spent his whole career there. Fan favorite.
Maris. 61 HR. Big deal to have a record like that and not honor it.
O'neill? c'mon...
I don't know if I agree w Rizzutto being retired.
Fast forward the next 10 years. Who are they retiring besides Judge?
Jeter and Rivera should be the only 2 retired jerseys from that dynasty IMO.
I have this same issue with the Buffalo Sabres. In 50+ years they have had an OK history, only 6 Division titles, 2 Conference, yet have like 7 numbers retired. The bar has been set pretty low, and who knows what happens if they ever realize a dynasty and will 'need' to retire like 6 numbers out of it (should only be Hasek and Perreault right now).
Its Tim Horton, Danny Gare, Pat LaFontaine, Dominik Hasek, Rene Robert, Gilbert Perreault, and Rick Martin
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Ha.
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Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Only one side getting over, here, on the other and it isnt the players.
https://theathletic.com/3157684/2022/03/01/brisbee-baseball-games-will-be-canceled-and-theres-no-both-sidesing-this-one?source=user-shared-article
I’ll take passan over verducci.
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To Our Fans:
I had hoped against hope that I would not have to be in the position of canceling games. We worked hard to avoid an outcome that is bad for our fans, bad for our players and bad for our clubs.
I want to assure our fans that our failure to reach an agreement was not due to a lack of effort on the part of either party. The Players came here for nine days, worked hard and tried to make a deal. I appreciate their effort.
Our committee of Club representatives committed to the process, offered compromise after compromise, and hung in past the deadline to exhaust all efforts to reach an agreement.
So far, we have failed to achieve our mutual goal of a fair deal. The unfortunate thing is that the agreement we have offered has huge benefits for fans and players.
We have listened to the Players Association throughout this process. A primary goal of the Players Association has been to increase pay for younger players. As I have said previously, we agree and share that goal. We offered to raise the minimum salary to $700,000, an increase of $130,000 from 2021. We offered to create an annual bonus pool of $30 million for the very best young players. In total, we are offering a 33% raise to nearly two-thirds of Major League players and adding more than $100 million annually in additional compensation for younger players.
The proposal also addressed player and fan concerns about issues like service time and competitive issues. Baseball would for the first time have a draft lottery -- the most aggressive in professional sports. Also, for the first time ever, we agreed to an incentive system to encourage clubs to promote top prospects to their Opening Day rosters. We also proposed that the first andsecond-place finishers in the Rookie of the Year voting in each league would receive a full year of service.
The MLBPA asked to make free agency more robust. For the first time ever, we agreed to eliminate direct draft pick compensation, a change the MLBPA has sought for decades. On the Competitive Balance Tax, we offered a significantly larger first-year increase than in the last two agreements, bearing in mind that the Competitive Balance Tax is the only mechanism in the agreement that protects some semblance of a level playing field among clubs.
The International Draft would have more fairly allocated talent among the clubs and reduced abuses in some international markets.
We also listened to our fans. The expanded playoffs would bring the excitement of meaningful September baseball and postseason baseball to fans in more of our markets. While we preferred a 14-team format, when the format became a significant obstacle, we listened to the players’ concerns, and offered to compromise by accepting their 12-team format.
Finally, we offered a procedural agreement that would allow for the timely implementation of sorely needed rules like the pitch timer and elimination of shifts to improve the entertainment value of the game on the field. And we agreed to the universal DH.
So, what is next? The calendar dictates that we are not going to be able to play the first two series of regular season games and those games are officially canceled. We are prepared to continue negotiations. We have been informed that the MLBPA is headed back to New York meaning that no agreement is possible until at least Thursday. Currently, camps could not meaningfully operate until at least March 8th, leaving only 23 days before scheduled Opening Day.
We played without an agreement in 1994 and the players went on strike in August, forcing the cancellation of the World Series. It was a painful chapter in our game’s history. We cannot risk such an outcome again for our fans and our sport.
The Clubs and our owners fully understand just how important it is to our millions of fans that we get the game on the field as soon as possible. To that end, we want to bargain and we want a deal with the Players Association as quickly as possible.