PROOF: Illuminati's Great Seal\North American Union is Real
DriftingByTheStorm
Posts: 8,684
Ok folks. Screw all the silly stuff, lets get down to brass tacks.
A LOT of you are in COMPLETE DISBELIEF.
You REFUSE to accept, on the principle that it is ABSURD,
ANY notion of an overarching conspiracy which directs (via hidden hand) the fate of the world.
Let me see if i can help set you on the right path, by using THEIR OWN DOCUMENTS.
Now. Again, a LOT of you disbelieve ALL this talk about "a North American Union" or any sort of sovereignty destroying plan to merge the American continent.
You same folks probably also disbelieve the notion that the reverse of the great seal (the Eye in the Pyramid) has ANYTHING to do with ANY sort of "conspiracy" and that it was just some pretty symbol our forefathers picked at random.
Well folks,
I am going to show you below some hard to swallow, but hard to discard,information.
The following is information i gleamed while listening to the twenty-something-th hour of the must-listen William Cooper's "Mystery Babylon" series of lectures [link to my forum post on it, torrent link is there].
Cooper mentions and reads from
Fundamental laws: a report of the 68th convocation of the Rose Cross Order [google books link]
I have clipped, highlighted, and uploaded the images for you to see DIRECTLY here:
This is the front cover of the book:
Notice the SKULL AND CROSS BONES?
Yes folks, it is the SAME as from the ORDER OF SKULL AND BONES. The same as used in Freemasonry, the same as used in the burial of the Knights Templar. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME. It is ONE ORDER WITH MANY FACES.
See the Wings around the Globe?
The wings are one of the Rosicrucian Brotherhood's favorite logos.
Here we see it ENCOMPASSING THE GLOBE. Showing you in symbology THEIR PLAN FOR THE WORLD.
Also note the TRIPLE TRIANGLE enclosing it all.
Mmm hmm.
Here is the title page from inside:
Handwritten atop:
"Rosicrucian Fraternity in America"
so you know this IS a Rosicrucian book.
"FUNDAMENTAL LAWS" -- Okay. Makes sense. Must be their basic tennants. FUNDAMENTAL, even.
"a report of the 68th convocation of the Ross Cross Order" -- So they've been at it for a while.
And this is a REPORT ... an OFFICIAL REPORT OF THE ORDER.
"Also a report on the Ancient Initiation in the Grove of Osiris"
Highlighted for you to pay attention to OSIRIS, so you KNOW this is the SAME fraternity, SAME brotherhood, SAME "ORDER" as ALL OF THEM. A "Sun" Worshipping, Luciferian, Occult Order that stems its very roots all the way back to Babylon!
"Copyright 1916"
THIS WAS WRITTEN ALMOST 100 YEARS AGO FOLKS!
I'm actually going to show you that this institutional "plan" has been around AT LEAST several hundred years longer, as well!
"For Members of the Rose Cross Order"
Again, SO THERE IS NO DOUBT. THIS IS A ROSICRUCIAN INTERNAL MANUSCRIPT!
From pages 23 and 24 of the book respectively, HERE ARE THE GOODS:
Page 23
Okay. Just read it. Discussion to follow.
Page 24
THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS!
HARD TO SWALLOW, BUT HARD TO DENY.
THEIR OWN FREAKING WORDS.
Lets recap what you just read:
You just saw the following MASSIVE ADMISSIONS:
1. THE ROSICRUCIAN ORDER IS A DIRECT RELATIVE OF THE ILLUMINATI!
In fact, it is merely the most distinguished, guiding light of "the Order". One of several "organizations" working together to accomplish their "great work". But WHAT IS THAT WORK?
2. "THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE ILLUMINATI IS THE ABSOLUTE AND UNDENIABLE PHILOSOPHY UPON WHICH THE UNITED STATES ARE FOUNDED"
Their words folks. Notice that "The Philosophy Of The Illuminati" is a PROPER NOUN, folks. It is a handed down (to the elite initiates) CODIFIED PHILOSOPHY. Not some Ad Hoc coalition. They have A PLAN!
3. There ARE "Unseen Hierarchies"
A BLATANT admission that an Interlaced GROUP of top down control STRUCTURES (PLURAL!), HIDDEN FROM THE LAYMAN, is effectually plotting SOMETHING. And WHAT?
4. "The Unseen Hierarchies which shaped the foundation of The Great Republic which must someday rule the world, are the same Unseen Hierarchies which gave us the Soul Science Philosophy as taught by The Illuminati."
Here is a TRIPLE admission.
a. These secret interlocked groups SHAPED THE UNITED STATES.
b. THE UNITED STATES IS (was) PLANNED TO RULE THE WORLD
c. These groups ARE THE ILLUMINATI. Or at least, they are DIRECTLY related.
5. The Reverse Of The Great Seal is as yet "Un-Cut"
Look it up on wikipedia. Outside of the back of the dollar bill, it is NOT IN USE.
WHY?
6. THE UNITED STATES MUST MERGE WITH MEXICO
Why?
7. Because, "When Atlantis ruled the world, that which is now America was connected with Egypt by that which is now Mexico".
"What !?!" you say?
What is all this Atlantis horseshit, and what does this ancient "MYTH" have to do with anything?
EVERYTHING FOLKS.
THIS IS THE PLAN.
Atlantis represent the possible lost past of a GREAT GLOBAL EMPIRE, and more importantly to them, THE POSSIBLE FUTURE OF A GREAT GLOBAL EMPIRE!
8. THIS PLAN CAN NOT BE COMPLETE UNTIL MEXICO AND THE USA ARE MERGED
9. THEY HOPE THIS WILL HAPPEN SOON (and laughably, without bloodshed :roll: )
Now.
I hope it didn't seem like i was rushing through all that.
I'm out of time, but do you want to take it back another couple of hundred years while we are at it?
Okay. Then just read below, and you'll see that they've been following this same incredulous system of belief for hundreds of years. Francis Bacon was talking about the historical portion in 1626. Hell, he may have gotten on to the above illustrated plans for future unfoldment, but his book was censored (allegedly unfinished) before he could reveal any of this. This book deals with a visit to "The Voyage to the Land of the Rosicrucians" (as some manuscript copies have it titled), and the following text is a description of the ancient world, as presented to these wayward travelers to the land of the rosicrucians by one of the heads of their very own secretive order (this is fiction masking their true beliefs, folks). Notice that Bacon is describing the very same ancient union or close association of America (which is actually labels as ATLANTIS) and MEXICO.
Francis Bacon ... GRAND MASTER OF THE ROSICRUCIAN ORDER FOR HIS TIME ...
his last book, NEARLY THREE HUNDRED YEARS PRIOR TO THE AFOREMENTIONED, The New Atlantis (1626):
"You shall understand (that which perhaps you will scarce think credible) that about
3,000 years ago, or somewhat more, the navigation of the world (especially for remote
voyages) was greater than at this day. Do not think with yourselves,
that I know not how much it is increased with you, within these threescore years; I know it
well, and yet I say, greater then than now; whether it was, that the example of the ark, that
saved the remnant of men from the universal deluge, gave men confidence
to venture upon the waters, or what it was; but such is the truth. The Phoenicians,
and especially the Tyrians, had great fleets; so had the Carthaginians their colony, which is
yet farther west. Toward the east the shipping of Egypt, and of
Palestine, was likewise great. China also, and the great Atlantis (that you call America),
which have now but junks and canoes, abounded then in tall ships. This island (as
appeareth by faithful registers of those times) had then 1,500 strong
ships, of great content. Of all this there is with you sparing memory, or none; but we have
large knowledge thereof.
"At that time this land was known and frequented by the ships and vessels of all the
nations before named. And (as it cometh to pass) they had many times men of other
countries, that were no sailors, that came with them; as Persians, Chaldeans, Arabians, so
as almost all nations of might and fame resorted hither; of whom we have some stirps and
little tribes with us at this day. And for our own ships, they went sundry voyages, as well
to your straits, which you call the Pillars of Hercules, as to other parts in the Atlantic and
Mediterranean seas; as to Paguin (which is the same with Cambalaine) and Quinzy, upon
the Oriental seas, as far as to the borders of the East Tartary."
"At the same time, and an age after or more, the inhabitants of the great Atlantis did flourish. For though the narration and description which is made by a great man with you, that the descendants of Neptune planted there, and of the magnifi- cent temple, palace, city, and hill; and the manifold streams of goodly navigable rivers, which as so many chains environed the same site and temple; and the several degrees of ascent, where- by men did climb up to the same, as if it had been a Scala Coeli; be all poetical and fabulous; yet so much is true, that the said country of Atlantis, as well that of Peru, then called Coya, as that of Mexico, then named Tyrambel, were mighty and proud kingdoms, in arms, shipping, and riches; so mighty, as at one time, or at least within the space of ten years, they both made two great expeditions; they of Tyrambel through the Atlantic to the Mediterranean Sea; and they of Coya, through the South Sea upon this our island; and for the former of these, which was into Europe, the same author among you, as it seemeth, had some relation from the Egyptian priest, whom he citeth. For assuredly, such a thing there was. But whether it were the ancient Athenians that had the glory of the repulse and re- sistance of those forces, I can say nothing; but certain it is there never came back either ship or man from that voyage. Neither had the other voyage of those of Coya upon us had bet- ter fortune, if they had not met with enemies of greater clem- ency. For the King of this island, by name Altabin, a wise man and a great warrior, knowing well both his own strength and that of his enemies, handled the matter so as he cut off their land forces from their ships, and entoiled both their navy and their camp with a greater power than theirs, both by sea and land; and compelled them to render themselves without striking a stroke; and after they were at his mercy, contenting himself only with their oath, that they should no more bear arms against him, dismissed them all in safety.
A LOT of you are in COMPLETE DISBELIEF.
You REFUSE to accept, on the principle that it is ABSURD,
ANY notion of an overarching conspiracy which directs (via hidden hand) the fate of the world.
Let me see if i can help set you on the right path, by using THEIR OWN DOCUMENTS.
Now. Again, a LOT of you disbelieve ALL this talk about "a North American Union" or any sort of sovereignty destroying plan to merge the American continent.
You same folks probably also disbelieve the notion that the reverse of the great seal (the Eye in the Pyramid) has ANYTHING to do with ANY sort of "conspiracy" and that it was just some pretty symbol our forefathers picked at random.
Well folks,
I am going to show you below some hard to swallow, but hard to discard,information.
The following is information i gleamed while listening to the twenty-something-th hour of the must-listen William Cooper's "Mystery Babylon" series of lectures [link to my forum post on it, torrent link is there].
Cooper mentions and reads from
Fundamental laws: a report of the 68th convocation of the Rose Cross Order [google books link]
I have clipped, highlighted, and uploaded the images for you to see DIRECTLY here:
This is the front cover of the book:
Notice the SKULL AND CROSS BONES?
Yes folks, it is the SAME as from the ORDER OF SKULL AND BONES. The same as used in Freemasonry, the same as used in the burial of the Knights Templar. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME. It is ONE ORDER WITH MANY FACES.
See the Wings around the Globe?
The wings are one of the Rosicrucian Brotherhood's favorite logos.
Here we see it ENCOMPASSING THE GLOBE. Showing you in symbology THEIR PLAN FOR THE WORLD.
Also note the TRIPLE TRIANGLE enclosing it all.
Mmm hmm.
Here is the title page from inside:
Handwritten atop:
"Rosicrucian Fraternity in America"
so you know this IS a Rosicrucian book.
"FUNDAMENTAL LAWS" -- Okay. Makes sense. Must be their basic tennants. FUNDAMENTAL, even.
"a report of the 68th convocation of the Ross Cross Order" -- So they've been at it for a while.
And this is a REPORT ... an OFFICIAL REPORT OF THE ORDER.
"Also a report on the Ancient Initiation in the Grove of Osiris"
Highlighted for you to pay attention to OSIRIS, so you KNOW this is the SAME fraternity, SAME brotherhood, SAME "ORDER" as ALL OF THEM. A "Sun" Worshipping, Luciferian, Occult Order that stems its very roots all the way back to Babylon!
"Copyright 1916"
THIS WAS WRITTEN ALMOST 100 YEARS AGO FOLKS!
I'm actually going to show you that this institutional "plan" has been around AT LEAST several hundred years longer, as well!
"For Members of the Rose Cross Order"
Again, SO THERE IS NO DOUBT. THIS IS A ROSICRUCIAN INTERNAL MANUSCRIPT!
From pages 23 and 24 of the book respectively, HERE ARE THE GOODS:
Page 23
Okay. Just read it. Discussion to follow.
Page 24
THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS!
HARD TO SWALLOW, BUT HARD TO DENY.
THEIR OWN FREAKING WORDS.
Lets recap what you just read:
You just saw the following MASSIVE ADMISSIONS:
1. THE ROSICRUCIAN ORDER IS A DIRECT RELATIVE OF THE ILLUMINATI!
In fact, it is merely the most distinguished, guiding light of "the Order". One of several "organizations" working together to accomplish their "great work". But WHAT IS THAT WORK?
2. "THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE ILLUMINATI IS THE ABSOLUTE AND UNDENIABLE PHILOSOPHY UPON WHICH THE UNITED STATES ARE FOUNDED"
Their words folks. Notice that "The Philosophy Of The Illuminati" is a PROPER NOUN, folks. It is a handed down (to the elite initiates) CODIFIED PHILOSOPHY. Not some Ad Hoc coalition. They have A PLAN!
3. There ARE "Unseen Hierarchies"
A BLATANT admission that an Interlaced GROUP of top down control STRUCTURES (PLURAL!), HIDDEN FROM THE LAYMAN, is effectually plotting SOMETHING. And WHAT?
4. "The Unseen Hierarchies which shaped the foundation of The Great Republic which must someday rule the world, are the same Unseen Hierarchies which gave us the Soul Science Philosophy as taught by The Illuminati."
Here is a TRIPLE admission.
a. These secret interlocked groups SHAPED THE UNITED STATES.
b. THE UNITED STATES IS (was) PLANNED TO RULE THE WORLD
c. These groups ARE THE ILLUMINATI. Or at least, they are DIRECTLY related.
5. The Reverse Of The Great Seal is as yet "Un-Cut"
Look it up on wikipedia. Outside of the back of the dollar bill, it is NOT IN USE.
WHY?
6. THE UNITED STATES MUST MERGE WITH MEXICO
Why?
7. Because, "When Atlantis ruled the world, that which is now America was connected with Egypt by that which is now Mexico".
"What !?!" you say?
What is all this Atlantis horseshit, and what does this ancient "MYTH" have to do with anything?
EVERYTHING FOLKS.
THIS IS THE PLAN.
Atlantis represent the possible lost past of a GREAT GLOBAL EMPIRE, and more importantly to them, THE POSSIBLE FUTURE OF A GREAT GLOBAL EMPIRE!
8. THIS PLAN CAN NOT BE COMPLETE UNTIL MEXICO AND THE USA ARE MERGED
9. THEY HOPE THIS WILL HAPPEN SOON (and laughably, without bloodshed :roll: )
Now.
I hope it didn't seem like i was rushing through all that.
I'm out of time, but do you want to take it back another couple of hundred years while we are at it?
Okay. Then just read below, and you'll see that they've been following this same incredulous system of belief for hundreds of years. Francis Bacon was talking about the historical portion in 1626. Hell, he may have gotten on to the above illustrated plans for future unfoldment, but his book was censored (allegedly unfinished) before he could reveal any of this. This book deals with a visit to "The Voyage to the Land of the Rosicrucians" (as some manuscript copies have it titled), and the following text is a description of the ancient world, as presented to these wayward travelers to the land of the rosicrucians by one of the heads of their very own secretive order (this is fiction masking their true beliefs, folks). Notice that Bacon is describing the very same ancient union or close association of America (which is actually labels as ATLANTIS) and MEXICO.
Francis Bacon ... GRAND MASTER OF THE ROSICRUCIAN ORDER FOR HIS TIME ...
his last book, NEARLY THREE HUNDRED YEARS PRIOR TO THE AFOREMENTIONED, The New Atlantis (1626):
"You shall understand (that which perhaps you will scarce think credible) that about
3,000 years ago, or somewhat more, the navigation of the world (especially for remote
voyages) was greater than at this day. Do not think with yourselves,
that I know not how much it is increased with you, within these threescore years; I know it
well, and yet I say, greater then than now; whether it was, that the example of the ark, that
saved the remnant of men from the universal deluge, gave men confidence
to venture upon the waters, or what it was; but such is the truth. The Phoenicians,
and especially the Tyrians, had great fleets; so had the Carthaginians their colony, which is
yet farther west. Toward the east the shipping of Egypt, and of
Palestine, was likewise great. China also, and the great Atlantis (that you call America),
which have now but junks and canoes, abounded then in tall ships. This island (as
appeareth by faithful registers of those times) had then 1,500 strong
ships, of great content. Of all this there is with you sparing memory, or none; but we have
large knowledge thereof.
"At that time this land was known and frequented by the ships and vessels of all the
nations before named. And (as it cometh to pass) they had many times men of other
countries, that were no sailors, that came with them; as Persians, Chaldeans, Arabians, so
as almost all nations of might and fame resorted hither; of whom we have some stirps and
little tribes with us at this day. And for our own ships, they went sundry voyages, as well
to your straits, which you call the Pillars of Hercules, as to other parts in the Atlantic and
Mediterranean seas; as to Paguin (which is the same with Cambalaine) and Quinzy, upon
the Oriental seas, as far as to the borders of the East Tartary."
"At the same time, and an age after or more, the inhabitants of the great Atlantis did flourish. For though the narration and description which is made by a great man with you, that the descendants of Neptune planted there, and of the magnifi- cent temple, palace, city, and hill; and the manifold streams of goodly navigable rivers, which as so many chains environed the same site and temple; and the several degrees of ascent, where- by men did climb up to the same, as if it had been a Scala Coeli; be all poetical and fabulous; yet so much is true, that the said country of Atlantis, as well that of Peru, then called Coya, as that of Mexico, then named Tyrambel, were mighty and proud kingdoms, in arms, shipping, and riches; so mighty, as at one time, or at least within the space of ten years, they both made two great expeditions; they of Tyrambel through the Atlantic to the Mediterranean Sea; and they of Coya, through the South Sea upon this our island; and for the former of these, which was into Europe, the same author among you, as it seemeth, had some relation from the Egyptian priest, whom he citeth. For assuredly, such a thing there was. But whether it were the ancient Athenians that had the glory of the repulse and re- sistance of those forces, I can say nothing; but certain it is there never came back either ship or man from that voyage. Neither had the other voyage of those of Coya upon us had bet- ter fortune, if they had not met with enemies of greater clem- ency. For the King of this island, by name Altabin, a wise man and a great warrior, knowing well both his own strength and that of his enemies, handled the matter so as he cut off their land forces from their ships, and entoiled both their navy and their camp with a greater power than theirs, both by sea and land; and compelled them to render themselves without striking a stroke; and after they were at his mercy, contenting himself only with their oath, that they should no more bear arms against him, dismissed them all in safety.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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its so lame i could not even get half way.........
By the way (Drifting) have you ever read The Illimunatus! Trilogy?
Hail the Illuminati.
I read lots and the more I learn, experience and think, the more I truly believe there's just independent systems (economic, political, social, cultural, etc), which at times intertwine.. not as part of some vast conspiracy theory where a few people decide all in some back room.. but merely a spiderweb of life we know and exist in. Difference between coincidence, conspiracy, relationships and collusion. People can't grasp the very notion of how big things work, so they create or believe in equally big or bigger reasons why things must be this way.. whether conspiracy or religion.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
OMG. ...I knew the dogs and hatted-men were out to get me.
Just adding some levity.
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i guess to recap:
I post writings from an INTERNALLY DISTRIBUTED BOOK from 1916
that CLEARLY STATES THE ROSICRUCIANS ARE PART OF AN OVERARCHING ALLIANCE OF "HIDDEN HIERARCHIES" which has not only planned the beginnings of the United States, BUT FURTHER PLANS TO END THE UNITED STATES, BY MERGING IT WITH MEXICO, BECAUSE THE PLAN CAN NOT BE COMPLETE WITH OUT THIS FIRST OCCURING.
And the response i get is:
a. Conspiracies don't exist.
b. Skull and Bones are cool.
:roll:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Gets a typical respone from here "I don't like reading" and general ignorance.
Ill respond more later I'm on my phone at the moment.
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the FREEMASONS hold the secrets to this country's birth and control,do some history on these groups
and while your at it check out the KNIGHTS TEMPLAR.
Godfather.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I don't know about the world but this country is greatly influenced by these groups, maybe I'm wrong but the thing's I have read and seen on documentary's is very convincing.
Godfather.
so, did you read this document i posted?
What do you think about what THEY have to say?
Do you think they are just full of shit?
Full of themselves?
Putting you on?
Do you disbelieve the authenticity of the book?
Do you understand that the book is a BLANKET ADMISSION that "The Order" (roughly speaking, The Freemasons, The Rosicrucians, Skull & Bones, The Knights of Malta, The Knights Templar, and possibly The Jesuits) is behind the creation of the United States, that it intends to MERGE THE US WITH MEXICO, that it intends (or atleast, in 1916, intended) for THE US TO RULE THE WORLD (hence, the NEW WORLD order, get it? The New World?), and that it HOPES for this to be a bloodless transition (but they are obviously dunces regarding the real truth of human affairs) and that they are hoping for a GLOBAL BROTHERHOOD WITH THEM IN CONTROL?
This is NOT SPECULATION BY ME.
THIS IS AN INTERNALLY DISTRIBUTED BOOK WRITTEN BY AND FOR "THEM".
Do you at least understand THAT?
Because i feel like your denial of these facts is completely at odds with what THEY, THEMSELVES, have stated in PLAIN ENGLISH.
But i'm hearing, "i don't believe it".
So, specifically, WHAT about that admission do you disbelieve?
???
I am honestly hoping that one day we can have an intelligent, informed, and possibly even civilized discussion about the MERITS, Pros\Cons, and ramifications OF THESE PLANS, and not simply sit here and debate the "alleged" EXISTENCE of them.
THEY DO EXIST.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR YOU AND ME !?!?!
THAT is what i WANT to be discussing.
:(
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Under capitalism, wealth will tend upwards and into the hands of the few. Why? Cause it takes money to make money. Sure, there are people that through borrowing (the rich guys' money) can get up and ahead, but even that will generate income for the top brass. Sure, some of them fall once in a while, but the general picture is the same. So supporting capitalism without "redistribution" is ensuring that even more go to these top people. We then all should be super-grateful that they don't just sit on their cash and poke their noses at us, right?
As for the specific American case, you have one of the largest gulfs between classes among western nations when it comes to income and so forth. The rich people send their kids to the same private schools, where there are all sorts of fraternities that fosters networking among people at the same schools. The contacts they make there, they take with them into their careers, whatever that may be. So, it should hardly be surprising that groupings of people within the same fields and politics have attended the same schools and the same fraternities. That's where they made friends, who they have stuck by since then.
Now that networking isn't at all exclusive to the top brass in society nor America. It works at all levels in society. It's all about who you know, many times. It applies to me for example, as who my contacts and co-workers are, may determine where I can end up career-wise. In all positions everywhere, people tend to want to pick someone they know, or with a reference from someone they know. Which is just common sense, really. Which means that career-wise, my exit grades in school counts for just about zero, but who I can put up as my reference in an application can make all the difference. That's networks and how they work.
Now, this is important. There are many many such networks in all layers of society, and lots of them overlap one another. But, that is not the same as there being a "master network" coordinating everything. In fact, such a super-network is just about impossible. Some networks are high in power at times, but not through design through the centuries, but through their own who-knows-who that has enabled them to maneuver into positions. But they are continuously under fierce competition from other networks. You see this quite openly actually, every time a government is put together, and posts distributed. For instance, there's not a republican and a democratic single network, but several on both sides, and quite a few involving people from both. (Which shouldn't be surprising as they are put together into the same rooms all the time to work at legislation, and may find common ground despite party letter after their name.)
As for symbols reappearing, I thought we had that covered before, but it is far more likely that symbols are recycled and given slightly new meaning all the time, than it is a sign of the same organization since the dawn of time (more or less). By the same reasoning you can say that pirates back in the day were Rosicrucians, since they prominently used skulls and bones in their pirate flags. Or that the Nordic countries, UK and Switzerland are all pawns of the pope in Rome, because of the crosses in their flags, and as we know the Vatican is big on crosses... Symbols are symbols. Their meaning can flip over several times throughout the centuries. I remember we in school had the exampl of the saying "You can't argue about good taste" that goes back to the ancient greeks. Today we read that as taste being so individual it is futile to discuss it, while the greeks actually meant it in the way that it is nothing to argue about, since it is completely obvious what is the true good taste.
So rather than skulls and bones being rosicrucians, I actually find it more likely that it got called that because some students at one time thought it sounded cool with "skulls and bones". (sounds ominous and important, doesn't it?) And if they tied into Rosicrucian stuff at all, they just might have thought that was cool too.
Anywho, I otherwise applaus Five's last post, as I think he's spot on. (Surprise!
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
"I prefer to view the world as a vast conspiracy controlled by a small group of close-knit and nearly omnipotent people, and I prefer to view those people as me and my friends." -- I think this is a much more healthy reality tunnel to operate within.
Wikipedia: Knights Templar: Sub-Section On: Skull and Crossbones
"A Masonic legend speaks of three Templars searching the site of Jacques de Molay's burning and finding only his skull and femurs. These they took with them and allegedly were used as the impetus to create the first Jolly Roger flag of Piracy, so that they would never forget. This same symbol is used today by the Yale Skull and Bones society."
Pirates & The Lost Templar Fleet
The Secret Naval War Between
the Knights Templar & the Vatican
by David Hatcher Childress
Overview:
When the Templars were disbanded by papal order in 1307, their massive fleet disappeared from its base at La Rochelle. What became of the ships and the famous treasure of the Templars? Lost Cities author David Hatcher Childress maintains that a portion of the fleet became the first pirates to fly the skull and Crossbones - marauding through the Mediterranean, and later preying on the ships of the Vatican coming from the rich ports of the Americas as the Pirates of the Caribbean. Another portion of the fleet fled to the deep fiords of Scotland and come under the command of the St. Clair family of Rosslyn - the founders of Freemasonry. These Templars made a voyage to Canada in the year 1398 AD, nearly 100 years before Columbus. And what of Columbus? Was he really a Spanish-born Jew who was in possession of Templar maps of the New World before he ever sailed? Find out in the fascinating pages inside!
The Templar Pirates
The Secret Alliance to Build the New Jerusalem
By: Ernesto Frers
When the Vatican condemned the Order of the Temple in 1312, many of those who escaped took to the sea. Their immediate objective was to take revenge on the Church. Recent discoveries confirm that ships of the Templar fleet that went missing at La Rochelle later reappeared--first in the Mediterranean and later in the Atlantic and Caribbean--to menace the Church’s maritime commerce. These Templar vessels often flew the famed Jolly Roger, which took its name from King Roger II of Sicily, a famed Templar who, during a public spat with the Pope in 1127, was the first to fly this flag.
Opportunistic buccaneers were quick to see that vast wealth could be gained in pursuing the Templars’ harassment of the Pope’s interests on the high seas, and they spread a reign of terror across the shipping lanes of the New World. Some unaffiliated pirates, in admiration of the Templar egalitarian ideals, even formed their own secret societies, and together with the Templars were part of the ferment that gave rise to independence movements in France and the New World and contributed to the growth of Freemasonry.
The Templar Pirates is the story of the birth and actual conduct of piracy on the seas of the New World and of the influence the Templars had on their constituents, and, by their wealth, on the governments of nations old and new.
Phoenix Masonry Page Showing Skull & Cross Bones in Free Masonry
Forum Thread With NUMEROUS Skull\Bones Templar Grave Stones
MEMENTO MORI - THE SYMBOL OF THE SKULL WITH CROSSED BONES
A Perspective on Death and Dying in the Chivalric Orders of the York Rite of Freemasonry
by Bro. William Steve Burkle KT, 32°
And one more, just for fun,
front cover of a pamphlet for Bohemian Grove,
Owl holding a Skull:
Proof this is for BG is at bottom, "Weaving Spiders Come Not Here", the official motto of Bohemian Grove.
See?
More Miscellany:
Photo hand selected by George HW Bush for use in Time Magazine,
Note The Great Pyramid w Completed Gold Capstone
[Time Magazine, founded by fellow Bonesman, Henry Luce]
[sidenote: From "Henry Luce" on Wikipedia "It is said that the two originally thought of TIME Magazine during their time in the "tomb" of Skull and Bones"]
"There's three things to remember: claim everything, explain nothing, deny everything." – Senator Prescott Bush (Skull and Bones, 1917) The Bush family patriarch made the above statement in a 1966 interview for Columbia University's oral history project on the Eisenhower administration. Prescott Bush said that political dictum had been explained to him by Claire Boothe Luce, congresswoman, ambassador and wife of Time-Life media magnate Henry Luce (Skull and Bones 1920) -source
And just one more (i promise) VERY odd Newspaper Article i just came across:
Los Angeles Times,
Bush Has a Date With a Pyramid
January 03, 1989|SHIRLEY MARLOW
President-elect George Bush apparently believes in planning ahead. He already has a date for New Year's Eve--in 1999. Millennium Society officers say that Bush has committed himself to ushering in the next century from the Great Pyramid of Cheops at Giza, Egypt, at noon Greenwich Mean Time on that day.
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THANKS FOR PLAYING.
I'll respond to the rest of your piece a little later.
Gonna do some paperwork now.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I wanna play this game more.
I just throw out some random remarks, and you dig up the proof of it's authenticity. I think that'll prove quickly enough that there are conspiracy theories about everything imaginable and unimaginable. And they all connect somehow.
Waiting for the proof of the pope puppeteering the mentioned countries.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965