PROOF: Illuminati's Great Seal\North American Union is Real
DriftingByTheStorm
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Ok folks. Screw all the silly stuff, lets get down to brass tacks.
A LOT of you are in COMPLETE DISBELIEF.
You REFUSE to accept, on the principle that it is ABSURD,
ANY notion of an overarching conspiracy which directs (via hidden hand) the fate of the world.
Let me see if i can help set you on the right path, by using THEIR OWN DOCUMENTS.
Now. Again, a LOT of you disbelieve ALL this talk about "a North American Union" or any sort of sovereignty destroying plan to merge the American continent.
You same folks probably also disbelieve the notion that the reverse of the great seal (the Eye in the Pyramid) has ANYTHING to do with ANY sort of "conspiracy" and that it was just some pretty symbol our forefathers picked at random.
Well folks,
I am going to show you below some hard to swallow, but hard to discard,information.
The following is information i gleamed while listening to the twenty-something-th hour of the must-listen William Cooper's "Mystery Babylon" series of lectures [link to my forum post on it, torrent link is there].
Cooper mentions and reads from
Fundamental laws: a report of the 68th convocation of the Rose Cross Order [google books link]
I have clipped, highlighted, and uploaded the images for you to see DIRECTLY here:
This is the front cover of the book:
Notice the SKULL AND CROSS BONES?
Yes folks, it is the SAME as from the ORDER OF SKULL AND BONES. The same as used in Freemasonry, the same as used in the burial of the Knights Templar. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME. It is ONE ORDER WITH MANY FACES.
See the Wings around the Globe?
The wings are one of the Rosicrucian Brotherhood's favorite logos.
Here we see it ENCOMPASSING THE GLOBE. Showing you in symbology THEIR PLAN FOR THE WORLD.
Also note the TRIPLE TRIANGLE enclosing it all.
Mmm hmm.
Here is the title page from inside:
Handwritten atop:
"Rosicrucian Fraternity in America"
so you know this IS a Rosicrucian book.
"FUNDAMENTAL LAWS" -- Okay. Makes sense. Must be their basic tennants. FUNDAMENTAL, even.
"a report of the 68th convocation of the Ross Cross Order" -- So they've been at it for a while.
And this is a REPORT ... an OFFICIAL REPORT OF THE ORDER.
"Also a report on the Ancient Initiation in the Grove of Osiris"
Highlighted for you to pay attention to OSIRIS, so you KNOW this is the SAME fraternity, SAME brotherhood, SAME "ORDER" as ALL OF THEM. A "Sun" Worshipping, Luciferian, Occult Order that stems its very roots all the way back to Babylon!
"Copyright 1916"
THIS WAS WRITTEN ALMOST 100 YEARS AGO FOLKS!
I'm actually going to show you that this institutional "plan" has been around AT LEAST several hundred years longer, as well!
"For Members of the Rose Cross Order"
Again, SO THERE IS NO DOUBT. THIS IS A ROSICRUCIAN INTERNAL MANUSCRIPT!
From pages 23 and 24 of the book respectively, HERE ARE THE GOODS:
Page 23
Okay. Just read it. Discussion to follow.
Page 24
THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS!
HARD TO SWALLOW, BUT HARD TO DENY.
THEIR OWN FREAKING WORDS.
Lets recap what you just read:
You just saw the following MASSIVE ADMISSIONS:
1. THE ROSICRUCIAN ORDER IS A DIRECT RELATIVE OF THE ILLUMINATI!
In fact, it is merely the most distinguished, guiding light of "the Order". One of several "organizations" working together to accomplish their "great work". But WHAT IS THAT WORK?
2. "THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE ILLUMINATI IS THE ABSOLUTE AND UNDENIABLE PHILOSOPHY UPON WHICH THE UNITED STATES ARE FOUNDED"
Their words folks. Notice that "The Philosophy Of The Illuminati" is a PROPER NOUN, folks. It is a handed down (to the elite initiates) CODIFIED PHILOSOPHY. Not some Ad Hoc coalition. They have A PLAN!
3. There ARE "Unseen Hierarchies"
A BLATANT admission that an Interlaced GROUP of top down control STRUCTURES (PLURAL!), HIDDEN FROM THE LAYMAN, is effectually plotting SOMETHING. And WHAT?
4. "The Unseen Hierarchies which shaped the foundation of The Great Republic which must someday rule the world, are the same Unseen Hierarchies which gave us the Soul Science Philosophy as taught by The Illuminati."
Here is a TRIPLE admission.
a. These secret interlocked groups SHAPED THE UNITED STATES.
b. THE UNITED STATES IS (was) PLANNED TO RULE THE WORLD
c. These groups ARE THE ILLUMINATI. Or at least, they are DIRECTLY related.
5. The Reverse Of The Great Seal is as yet "Un-Cut"
Look it up on wikipedia. Outside of the back of the dollar bill, it is NOT IN USE.
WHY?
6. THE UNITED STATES MUST MERGE WITH MEXICO
Why?
7. Because, "When Atlantis ruled the world, that which is now America was connected with Egypt by that which is now Mexico".
"What !?!" you say?
What is all this Atlantis horseshit, and what does this ancient "MYTH" have to do with anything?
EVERYTHING FOLKS.
THIS IS THE PLAN.
Atlantis represent the possible lost past of a GREAT GLOBAL EMPIRE, and more importantly to them, THE POSSIBLE FUTURE OF A GREAT GLOBAL EMPIRE!
8. THIS PLAN CAN NOT BE COMPLETE UNTIL MEXICO AND THE USA ARE MERGED
9. THEY HOPE THIS WILL HAPPEN SOON (and laughably, without bloodshed :roll: )
Now.
I hope it didn't seem like i was rushing through all that.
I'm out of time, but do you want to take it back another couple of hundred years while we are at it?
Okay. Then just read below, and you'll see that they've been following this same incredulous system of belief for hundreds of years. Francis Bacon was talking about the historical portion in 1626. Hell, he may have gotten on to the above illustrated plans for future unfoldment, but his book was censored (allegedly unfinished) before he could reveal any of this. This book deals with a visit to "The Voyage to the Land of the Rosicrucians" (as some manuscript copies have it titled), and the following text is a description of the ancient world, as presented to these wayward travelers to the land of the rosicrucians by one of the heads of their very own secretive order (this is fiction masking their true beliefs, folks). Notice that Bacon is describing the very same ancient union or close association of America (which is actually labels as ATLANTIS) and MEXICO.
Francis Bacon ... GRAND MASTER OF THE ROSICRUCIAN ORDER FOR HIS TIME ...
his last book, NEARLY THREE HUNDRED YEARS PRIOR TO THE AFOREMENTIONED, The New Atlantis (1626):
"You shall understand (that which perhaps you will scarce think credible) that about
3,000 years ago, or somewhat more, the navigation of the world (especially for remote
voyages) was greater than at this day. Do not think with yourselves,
that I know not how much it is increased with you, within these threescore years; I know it
well, and yet I say, greater then than now; whether it was, that the example of the ark, that
saved the remnant of men from the universal deluge, gave men confidence
to venture upon the waters, or what it was; but such is the truth. The Phoenicians,
and especially the Tyrians, had great fleets; so had the Carthaginians their colony, which is
yet farther west. Toward the east the shipping of Egypt, and of
Palestine, was likewise great. China also, and the great Atlantis (that you call America),
which have now but junks and canoes, abounded then in tall ships. This island (as
appeareth by faithful registers of those times) had then 1,500 strong
ships, of great content. Of all this there is with you sparing memory, or none; but we have
large knowledge thereof.
"At that time this land was known and frequented by the ships and vessels of all the
nations before named. And (as it cometh to pass) they had many times men of other
countries, that were no sailors, that came with them; as Persians, Chaldeans, Arabians, so
as almost all nations of might and fame resorted hither; of whom we have some stirps and
little tribes with us at this day. And for our own ships, they went sundry voyages, as well
to your straits, which you call the Pillars of Hercules, as to other parts in the Atlantic and
Mediterranean seas; as to Paguin (which is the same with Cambalaine) and Quinzy, upon
the Oriental seas, as far as to the borders of the East Tartary."
"At the same time, and an age after or more, the inhabitants of the great Atlantis did flourish. For though the narration and description which is made by a great man with you, that the descendants of Neptune planted there, and of the magnifi- cent temple, palace, city, and hill; and the manifold streams of goodly navigable rivers, which as so many chains environed the same site and temple; and the several degrees of ascent, where- by men did climb up to the same, as if it had been a Scala Coeli; be all poetical and fabulous; yet so much is true, that the said country of Atlantis, as well that of Peru, then called Coya, as that of Mexico, then named Tyrambel, were mighty and proud kingdoms, in arms, shipping, and riches; so mighty, as at one time, or at least within the space of ten years, they both made two great expeditions; they of Tyrambel through the Atlantic to the Mediterranean Sea; and they of Coya, through the South Sea upon this our island; and for the former of these, which was into Europe, the same author among you, as it seemeth, had some relation from the Egyptian priest, whom he citeth. For assuredly, such a thing there was. But whether it were the ancient Athenians that had the glory of the repulse and re- sistance of those forces, I can say nothing; but certain it is there never came back either ship or man from that voyage. Neither had the other voyage of those of Coya upon us had bet- ter fortune, if they had not met with enemies of greater clem- ency. For the King of this island, by name Altabin, a wise man and a great warrior, knowing well both his own strength and that of his enemies, handled the matter so as he cut off their land forces from their ships, and entoiled both their navy and their camp with a greater power than theirs, both by sea and land; and compelled them to render themselves without striking a stroke; and after they were at his mercy, contenting himself only with their oath, that they should no more bear arms against him, dismissed them all in safety.
A LOT of you are in COMPLETE DISBELIEF.
You REFUSE to accept, on the principle that it is ABSURD,
ANY notion of an overarching conspiracy which directs (via hidden hand) the fate of the world.
Let me see if i can help set you on the right path, by using THEIR OWN DOCUMENTS.
Now. Again, a LOT of you disbelieve ALL this talk about "a North American Union" or any sort of sovereignty destroying plan to merge the American continent.
You same folks probably also disbelieve the notion that the reverse of the great seal (the Eye in the Pyramid) has ANYTHING to do with ANY sort of "conspiracy" and that it was just some pretty symbol our forefathers picked at random.
Well folks,
I am going to show you below some hard to swallow, but hard to discard,information.
The following is information i gleamed while listening to the twenty-something-th hour of the must-listen William Cooper's "Mystery Babylon" series of lectures [link to my forum post on it, torrent link is there].
Cooper mentions and reads from
Fundamental laws: a report of the 68th convocation of the Rose Cross Order [google books link]
I have clipped, highlighted, and uploaded the images for you to see DIRECTLY here:
This is the front cover of the book:
Notice the SKULL AND CROSS BONES?
Yes folks, it is the SAME as from the ORDER OF SKULL AND BONES. The same as used in Freemasonry, the same as used in the burial of the Knights Templar. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME. It is ONE ORDER WITH MANY FACES.
See the Wings around the Globe?
The wings are one of the Rosicrucian Brotherhood's favorite logos.
Here we see it ENCOMPASSING THE GLOBE. Showing you in symbology THEIR PLAN FOR THE WORLD.
Also note the TRIPLE TRIANGLE enclosing it all.
Mmm hmm.
Here is the title page from inside:
Handwritten atop:
"Rosicrucian Fraternity in America"
so you know this IS a Rosicrucian book.
"FUNDAMENTAL LAWS" -- Okay. Makes sense. Must be their basic tennants. FUNDAMENTAL, even.
"a report of the 68th convocation of the Ross Cross Order" -- So they've been at it for a while.
And this is a REPORT ... an OFFICIAL REPORT OF THE ORDER.
"Also a report on the Ancient Initiation in the Grove of Osiris"
Highlighted for you to pay attention to OSIRIS, so you KNOW this is the SAME fraternity, SAME brotherhood, SAME "ORDER" as ALL OF THEM. A "Sun" Worshipping, Luciferian, Occult Order that stems its very roots all the way back to Babylon!
"Copyright 1916"
THIS WAS WRITTEN ALMOST 100 YEARS AGO FOLKS!
I'm actually going to show you that this institutional "plan" has been around AT LEAST several hundred years longer, as well!
"For Members of the Rose Cross Order"
Again, SO THERE IS NO DOUBT. THIS IS A ROSICRUCIAN INTERNAL MANUSCRIPT!
From pages 23 and 24 of the book respectively, HERE ARE THE GOODS:
Page 23
Okay. Just read it. Discussion to follow.
Page 24
THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS!
HARD TO SWALLOW, BUT HARD TO DENY.
THEIR OWN FREAKING WORDS.
Lets recap what you just read:
You just saw the following MASSIVE ADMISSIONS:
1. THE ROSICRUCIAN ORDER IS A DIRECT RELATIVE OF THE ILLUMINATI!
In fact, it is merely the most distinguished, guiding light of "the Order". One of several "organizations" working together to accomplish their "great work". But WHAT IS THAT WORK?
2. "THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE ILLUMINATI IS THE ABSOLUTE AND UNDENIABLE PHILOSOPHY UPON WHICH THE UNITED STATES ARE FOUNDED"
Their words folks. Notice that "The Philosophy Of The Illuminati" is a PROPER NOUN, folks. It is a handed down (to the elite initiates) CODIFIED PHILOSOPHY. Not some Ad Hoc coalition. They have A PLAN!
3. There ARE "Unseen Hierarchies"
A BLATANT admission that an Interlaced GROUP of top down control STRUCTURES (PLURAL!), HIDDEN FROM THE LAYMAN, is effectually plotting SOMETHING. And WHAT?
4. "The Unseen Hierarchies which shaped the foundation of The Great Republic which must someday rule the world, are the same Unseen Hierarchies which gave us the Soul Science Philosophy as taught by The Illuminati."
Here is a TRIPLE admission.
a. These secret interlocked groups SHAPED THE UNITED STATES.
b. THE UNITED STATES IS (was) PLANNED TO RULE THE WORLD
c. These groups ARE THE ILLUMINATI. Or at least, they are DIRECTLY related.
5. The Reverse Of The Great Seal is as yet "Un-Cut"
Look it up on wikipedia. Outside of the back of the dollar bill, it is NOT IN USE.
WHY?
6. THE UNITED STATES MUST MERGE WITH MEXICO
Why?
7. Because, "When Atlantis ruled the world, that which is now America was connected with Egypt by that which is now Mexico".
"What !?!" you say?
What is all this Atlantis horseshit, and what does this ancient "MYTH" have to do with anything?
EVERYTHING FOLKS.
THIS IS THE PLAN.
Atlantis represent the possible lost past of a GREAT GLOBAL EMPIRE, and more importantly to them, THE POSSIBLE FUTURE OF A GREAT GLOBAL EMPIRE!
8. THIS PLAN CAN NOT BE COMPLETE UNTIL MEXICO AND THE USA ARE MERGED
9. THEY HOPE THIS WILL HAPPEN SOON (and laughably, without bloodshed :roll: )
Now.
I hope it didn't seem like i was rushing through all that.
I'm out of time, but do you want to take it back another couple of hundred years while we are at it?
Okay. Then just read below, and you'll see that they've been following this same incredulous system of belief for hundreds of years. Francis Bacon was talking about the historical portion in 1626. Hell, he may have gotten on to the above illustrated plans for future unfoldment, but his book was censored (allegedly unfinished) before he could reveal any of this. This book deals with a visit to "The Voyage to the Land of the Rosicrucians" (as some manuscript copies have it titled), and the following text is a description of the ancient world, as presented to these wayward travelers to the land of the rosicrucians by one of the heads of their very own secretive order (this is fiction masking their true beliefs, folks). Notice that Bacon is describing the very same ancient union or close association of America (which is actually labels as ATLANTIS) and MEXICO.
Francis Bacon ... GRAND MASTER OF THE ROSICRUCIAN ORDER FOR HIS TIME ...
his last book, NEARLY THREE HUNDRED YEARS PRIOR TO THE AFOREMENTIONED, The New Atlantis (1626):
"You shall understand (that which perhaps you will scarce think credible) that about
3,000 years ago, or somewhat more, the navigation of the world (especially for remote
voyages) was greater than at this day. Do not think with yourselves,
that I know not how much it is increased with you, within these threescore years; I know it
well, and yet I say, greater then than now; whether it was, that the example of the ark, that
saved the remnant of men from the universal deluge, gave men confidence
to venture upon the waters, or what it was; but such is the truth. The Phoenicians,
and especially the Tyrians, had great fleets; so had the Carthaginians their colony, which is
yet farther west. Toward the east the shipping of Egypt, and of
Palestine, was likewise great. China also, and the great Atlantis (that you call America),
which have now but junks and canoes, abounded then in tall ships. This island (as
appeareth by faithful registers of those times) had then 1,500 strong
ships, of great content. Of all this there is with you sparing memory, or none; but we have
large knowledge thereof.
"At that time this land was known and frequented by the ships and vessels of all the
nations before named. And (as it cometh to pass) they had many times men of other
countries, that were no sailors, that came with them; as Persians, Chaldeans, Arabians, so
as almost all nations of might and fame resorted hither; of whom we have some stirps and
little tribes with us at this day. And for our own ships, they went sundry voyages, as well
to your straits, which you call the Pillars of Hercules, as to other parts in the Atlantic and
Mediterranean seas; as to Paguin (which is the same with Cambalaine) and Quinzy, upon
the Oriental seas, as far as to the borders of the East Tartary."
"At the same time, and an age after or more, the inhabitants of the great Atlantis did flourish. For though the narration and description which is made by a great man with you, that the descendants of Neptune planted there, and of the magnifi- cent temple, palace, city, and hill; and the manifold streams of goodly navigable rivers, which as so many chains environed the same site and temple; and the several degrees of ascent, where- by men did climb up to the same, as if it had been a Scala Coeli; be all poetical and fabulous; yet so much is true, that the said country of Atlantis, as well that of Peru, then called Coya, as that of Mexico, then named Tyrambel, were mighty and proud kingdoms, in arms, shipping, and riches; so mighty, as at one time, or at least within the space of ten years, they both made two great expeditions; they of Tyrambel through the Atlantic to the Mediterranean Sea; and they of Coya, through the South Sea upon this our island; and for the former of these, which was into Europe, the same author among you, as it seemeth, had some relation from the Egyptian priest, whom he citeth. For assuredly, such a thing there was. But whether it were the ancient Athenians that had the glory of the repulse and re- sistance of those forces, I can say nothing; but certain it is there never came back either ship or man from that voyage. Neither had the other voyage of those of Coya upon us had bet- ter fortune, if they had not met with enemies of greater clem- ency. For the King of this island, by name Altabin, a wise man and a great warrior, knowing well both his own strength and that of his enemies, handled the matter so as he cut off their land forces from their ships, and entoiled both their navy and their camp with a greater power than theirs, both by sea and land; and compelled them to render themselves without striking a stroke; and after they were at his mercy, contenting himself only with their oath, that they should no more bear arms against him, dismissed them all in safety.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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get a life..........u have way 2 much time on your hands
its so lame i could not even get half way.........Post edited by wpg pearl onajb0 -
Welcome back, Drifting!0
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I love this stuff! Thanks for the post!
By the way (Drifting) have you ever read The Illimunatus! Trilogy?Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
I don't know if you have been to southern Texas and California lately, but the U.S. and Mexico have already merged.
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It always makes me chuckle when you see or hear some grandiose conspiracy which involves everything and everyone over the course of time. We can't even organize the most simplistic things in the world in good intentions, but people manage to figure out all these ridiculous conspiracies that cover and include everything. Sad thing is that it's on the rise.. whether it's Alex Jones or 9-11 truthers or Zeitgest or this one... everyone needs all inclusive answers to everything...which is similar to religious thought in theory - but taken in the opposite direction.
I read lots and the more I learn, experience and think, the more I truly believe there's just independent systems (economic, political, social, cultural, etc), which at times intertwine.. not as part of some vast conspiracy theory where a few people decide all in some back room.. but merely a spiderweb of life we know and exist in. Difference between coincidence, conspiracy, relationships and collusion. People can't grasp the very notion of how big things work, so they create or believe in equally big or bigger reasons why things must be this way.. whether conspiracy or religion.CONservative governMENt
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its funny, that skull and cross bones looks like the same one from the helmet decal on my high school football helmet...i must have been involved too..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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The Raiders have the skull and Crossbone style incorporated into their logo. Does that mean Al Davis is coming to get us? He'll fuck it up, and everything will be ok.Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0
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So,
i guess to recap:
I post writings from an INTERNALLY DISTRIBUTED BOOK from 1916
that CLEARLY STATES THE ROSICRUCIANS ARE PART OF AN OVERARCHING ALLIANCE OF "HIDDEN HIERARCHIES" which has not only planned the beginnings of the United States, BUT FURTHER PLANS TO END THE UNITED STATES, BY MERGING IT WITH MEXICO, BECAUSE THE PLAN CAN NOT BE COMPLETE WITH OUT THIS FIRST OCCURING.
And the response i get is:
a. Conspiracies don't exist.
b. Skull and Bones are cool.
:roll:If I was to smile and I held out my hand
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How come it is not ok for someone to disagree with this information you accept as truth? Perhaps others have varying opinions on such topics? Does that mean we're all sheep or drones or can't accept reality? At what point in this discussion is this stuff your opinion based on information you believe as fact compared to others not having to agree and it doesn't make them wrong? Making a blanket statement based on something you believe doesn't make it any more truthful.DriftingByTheStorm wrote:So,
i guess to recap:
I post writings from an INTERNALLY DISTRIBUTED BOOK from 1916
that CLEARLY STATES THE ROSICRUCIANS ARE PART OF AN OVERARCHING ALLIANCE OF "HIDDEN HIERARCHIES" which has not only planned the beginnings of the United States, BUT FURTHER PLANS TO END THE UNITED STATES, BY MERGING IT WITH MEXICO, BECAUSE THE PLAN CAN NOT BE COMPLETE WITH OUT THIS FIRST OCCURING.
And the response i get is:
a. Conspiracies don't exist.
b. Skull and Bones are cool.
:roll:CONservative governMENt
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skulls and bones ARE cool....sorry to the OP, but i am not buying this at all..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Like I said... The only visible group I know using the skull and bones are the raiders... And they drafted Jamarcus Russel. Anyone stupid enough to do that isn't someone we need to be worried about.gimmesometruth27 wrote:skulls and bones ARE cool....sorry to the OP, but i am not buying this at all...Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
Op is on point. Excellent post, well organized, and filled with facts.
Gets a typical respone from here "I don't like reading" and general ignorance.
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both the G.Bush and G.W Bush were or are members of the the SKULL AND BONES and so were many presidents and political members before and after them, B.Franklin and a host of others of our founding fathers were also FREEMASONS,don't kid your selfs those organizations are as real as it gets.
the FREEMASONS hold the secrets to this country's birth and control,do some history on these groups
and while your at it check out the KNIGHTS TEMPLAR.
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Can't speak for others but I do not deny some of these groups exist and have important members and hold some secrets about certain things, but I do not believe they have been nor will be controlling the world's power and outcomes. And just because a symbol is located on a document or somewhere, doesn't mean all that much in practical terms. It's not that I don't understand, don't read or similar - I simply disagree.CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis0 -
FiveB247x wrote:Can't speak for others but I do not deny some of these groups exist and have important members and hold some secrets about certain things, but I do not believe they have been nor will be controlling the world's power and outcomes. And just because a symbol is located on a document or somewhere, doesn't mean all that much in practical terms. It's not that I don't understand, don't read or similar - I simply disagree.
I don't know about the world but this country is greatly influenced by these groups, maybe I'm wrong but the thing's I have read and seen on documentary's is very convincing.
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FiveB247x wrote:, but I do not believe they have been nor will be controlling the world's power and outcomes.
so, did you read this document i posted?
What do you think about what THEY have to say?
Do you think they are just full of shit?
Full of themselves?
Putting you on?
Do you disbelieve the authenticity of the book?
Do you understand that the book is a BLANKET ADMISSION that "The Order" (roughly speaking, The Freemasons, The Rosicrucians, Skull & Bones, The Knights of Malta, The Knights Templar, and possibly The Jesuits) is behind the creation of the United States, that it intends to MERGE THE US WITH MEXICO, that it intends (or atleast, in 1916, intended) for THE US TO RULE THE WORLD (hence, the NEW WORLD order, get it? The New World?), and that it HOPES for this to be a bloodless transition (but they are obviously dunces regarding the real truth of human affairs) and that they are hoping for a GLOBAL BROTHERHOOD WITH THEM IN CONTROL?
This is NOT SPECULATION BY ME.
THIS IS AN INTERNALLY DISTRIBUTED BOOK WRITTEN BY AND FOR "THEM".
Do you at least understand THAT?
Because i feel like your denial of these facts is completely at odds with what THEY, THEMSELVES, have stated in PLAIN ENGLISH.
But i'm hearing, "i don't believe it".
So, specifically, WHAT about that admission do you disbelieve?
???
I am honestly hoping that one day we can have an intelligent, informed, and possibly even civilized discussion about the MERITS, Pros\Cons, and ramifications OF THESE PLANS, and not simply sit here and debate the "alleged" EXISTENCE of them.
THEY DO EXIST.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR YOU AND ME !?!?!
THAT is what i WANT to be discussing.
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Yes I did read that and my answer is very simple... just because someone wrote a book in 1916 which relays the message of some detail or includes symbols, doesn't mean that is what has "been carried out" or "followed" or anything similar. There are a million and one examples of details which are significance to our existence and power between that point and now, which you have zero facts or details about or you simply glaze over by saying some other group wants it that way (mere assumption without detail). That's my point. As I stated, I do not believe these type of all inclusive theories or ideas as they are very broad, not specific and make things very simplistic when everything is in fact, complex, very detailed and not always interconnected. Yes many powerful people belong to groups like the Skull and Bones or Bilderburgs or various other secret societies, but the reality is we have very little in terms of actual, factual detail which explain in specifics instead of simply saying wide-spreading and broad based items. It's merely take some loosely connected facts, half-truthes or even assumptions and pasting them together to present a bigger picture in order to expound meaning and "truth" for the reality, history and things we see around us... ie overly stated simplistic answers to very long and detailed events in history or in the present or even future. This is the same issue many have with religion and it's documented history, but many who believe your type theory, wouldn't apply the same exact logic and rational to it. I've seen documentaries like Zeigest and to name specifics, the portion about banking is filled with this exact type of stuff.. loosely based truths stitched together to present some larger and more meaningful answer to a complex unknown. And to say I deny is merely a misrepresentation on your part. The reality is many of the answer to real life historical things don't have answers in these types of theories because they are glossed over. So if I asked you why WW2 ended and it turned into the Cold War, you'd probably say something like it was to develop the power of the US as a World leader/police for the NWO, etc... but you really wouldn't have anything to discuss why the Cuban Missle crisis started and was averted or the spread of Pan-arabism which led to the 70's gas crisis.. instead you'd try and probably scapegoat many of these things as either subversive measures by some secret group in power to setup future events. It's very easy to throw the big benchmarks in history and explain in your theories terms, but not so much for the actual facts of what led to those benchmarks and name specific details surrounding them without being vague and unclear. It always boils down to a small group of people who are pulling the strings for everything and everyone. ... just like religion.DriftingByTheStorm wrote:FiveB247x wrote:, but I do not believe they have been nor will be controlling the world's power and outcomes.
so, did you read this document i posted?
What do you think about what THEY have to say?
Do you think they are just full of shit?
Full of themselves?
Putting you on?
Do you disbelieve the authenticity of the book?
Do you understand that the book is a BLANKET ADMISSION that "The Order" (roughly speaking, The Freemasons, The Rosicrucians, Skull & Bones, The Knights of Malta, The Knights Templar, and possibly The Jesuits) is behind the creation of the United States, that it intends to MERGE THE US WITH MEXICO, that it intends (or atleast, in 1916, intended) for THE US TO RULE THE WORLD (hence, the NEW WORLD order, get it? The New World?), and that it HOPES for this to be a bloodless transition (but they are obviously dunces regarding the real truth of human affairs) and that they are hoping for a GLOBAL BROTHERHOOD WITH THEM IN CONTROL?
This is NOT SPECULATION BY ME.
THIS IS AN INTERNALLY DISTRIBUTED BOOK WRITTEN BY AND FOR "THEM".
Do you at least understand THAT?
Because i feel like your denial of these facts is completely at odds with what THEY, THEMSELVES, have stated in PLAIN ENGLISH.
But i'm hearing, "i don't believe it".
So, specifically, WHAT about that admission do you disbelieve?
???
I am honestly hoping that one day we can have an intelligent, informed, and possibly even civilized discussion about the MERITS, Pros\Cons, and ramifications OF THESE PLANS, and not simply sit here and debate the "alleged" EXISTENCE of them.
THEY DO EXIST.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR YOU AND ME !?!?!
THAT is what i WANT to be discussing.
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis0 -
priceless and I love my "voting friend"ryanevolution wrote:Op is on point. Excellent post, well organized, and filled with facts.
Gets a typical respone from here "I don't like reading" and general ignorance.
Ill respond more later I'm on my phone at the moment.0
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