This generation sucks...

MayDay10

when I was 11 years old, I was sent home from school for wearing a Bart Simpson "Don't Have a Cow Man" T-shirt.

chadwick

decides2dream wrote:

hahahahaha...i was born in 1968. :?
so i don't 'understand' most of you even born in 1980. yikes.

i dislike anyone born in the 80's or 90's.
their music blows chunks and their cell phones piss me off.
:crazy:
i vote for old people

michelleelise

It's a matter of perception and each generation seems to go through it when they look at younger generations. I thought the same thing about kids who were born in the 80's


Study: Today's youth aren't ego-driven slackers after all
15-Mar-2010
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 031510.php

decides2dream

MayDay10 wrote:

when I was 11 years old, I was sent home from school for wearing a Bart Simpson "Don't Have a Cow Man" T-shirt.

when i was a kid my mother took away the billy joel album - the stranger from my sister b/c of the 'insulting & offensive lyrics' about catholic girls. if she ever heard even half the shit out there nowadays...... :shock:

know1

he still stands wrote:

know1 wrote:

What's a generation? It seems like it all just flows together.

I guess generations are defined by major cultural achievements, societal milestones, etc.

Baby boomers were post WWII

Gen X was the product of cultural revolution of the 60s and 70s

Gen Y was the result of the "Information Age"... mass communication, information acceleration

Gen Z or the "Digital Natives" were born in the 2000's and grew up on the internets.

I guess I am referring to late Gen Y (people born after 1990 or so).

I think sweeping generalities like that can be dangerous and lead to stereotypes. People are people. They're all different and unique.

jezebeloria

chadwick wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

hahahahaha...i was born in 1968. :?
so i don't 'understand' most of you even born in 1980. yikes.

i dislike anyone born in the 80's or 90's.
their music blows chunks and their cell phones piss me off.
:crazy:
i vote for old people

Couldnt agree with you more. This is why i got out of management. No work ethic whatsoever!!! And, and, and, I could go on for hours on my issues with the 20 somethings. For the most part they are just lazy and feel some sense of entitlement. Sucks getting older in an industry that is only getting younger!

he still stands

It is a matter of what the generation does for everyone else. There used to be good art, new ideas, *gasp* new music styles, cultural symbols and artifacts that reminded us that life is worth living, that there is a correct code of conduct that is contrary to the mainstream, or just reminding everyone in the elder generations that they are getting screwed. These have been the functions of the "in-generation" since the world starting going to shit in the 19th century.

Maybe it is just me, I don't see it anymore. No, I don't think it is because I am getting "old." (I'm 29 for christ's sake) I understand that most people go through this and it is a matter of perception. Yes, I know all perception is gamble. Fuck man I'm trying to objectively state that this generation sucks.

What art, music, ideas, etc have been presented in the last 10 or 15 years that are worth a damn?

I like this thing called dubstep I guess... its okay. Art is created mostly by fucking computers anymore. Maybe we're all out of ideas? Time to hang it up and call it a nice attempt at civilization?

whgarrett

The idea of "generations" has become nothing but a marketing scheme. Don't buy into it.

tvismyfriend

I blame the parents.

Dissidentman

I blame tv

he still stands

whgarrett wrote:

The idea of "generations" has become nothing but a marketing scheme. Don't buy into it.

The concept of a "generation" was used only as a guide for defining the current set of people who influence society the most. Whatever this label is is unimportant and an issue of semantics.

pineapplesandwaves.

he still stands wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

There are so many laws, rules, guidlines, norms to follow nowadays that everyone blindly follows. There used to be a sense of freedom and an "outlaw attitude" in our culture that is slowly fading away.

If only my students blindly followed my rules and guidelines, my day would be a heck of a lot easier.

You think there is no longer a sense of "outlaw attitude"?

Oh, if only....

Dissidentman

Remember when "outlaws" rode Harleys with no helmets? Now grandmothers ride Harleys, and you're considered an "outlaw" if you don't have a Facebook page.

he still stands

pineapplesandwaves. wrote:

he still stands wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

There are so many laws, rules, guidlines, norms to follow nowadays that everyone blindly follows. There used to be a sense of freedom and an "outlaw attitude" in our culture that is slowly fading away.

If only my students blindly followed my rules and guidelines, my day would be a heck of a lot easier.

You think there is no longer a sense of "outlaw attitude"?

Oh, if only....

as a teacher you probably see the worst in kids. so, what, they pass notes and bully each other?

IwasBit10

jezebeloria wrote:

Couldnt agree with you more. This is why i got out of management. No work ethic whatsoever!!! And, and, and, I could go on for hours on my issues with the 20 somethings. For the most part they are just lazy and feel some sense of entitlement. Sucks getting older in an industry that is only getting younger!

I'm 23 and a manager for a logistics company, busting my ass 6 days a week. I work with a bunch of 40-55 year old drivers, and laziness and apathy is their specialty. Now, I don't go around saying "40 year olds have no work ethic," because obviously that's not true. Same is the case for what you said....

Can't argue with the sense of entitlement though. When's my promotion?!

Given to...

IwasBit10 wrote:

jezebeloria wrote:

Couldnt agree with you more. This is why i got out of management. No work ethic whatsoever!!! And, and, and, I could go on for hours on my issues with the 20 somethings. For the most part they are just lazy and feel some sense of entitlement. Sucks getting older in an industry that is only getting younger!

I'm 23 and a manager for a logistics company, busting my ass 6 days a week. I work with a bunch of 40-55 year old drivers, and laziness and apathy is their specialty. Now, I don't go around saying "40 year olds have no work ethic," because obviously that's not true. Same is the case for what you said....

Can't argue with the sense of entitlement though. When's my promotion?!

Although I agree 100% with Jezebeloria, the most important word for this debate is "perception".

You think you bust your ass, yet your drivers perceive you as a lazy assed kid who thinks he has all the answers of the universe tied up in his 23 year old super sized ego. You have been busting your ass so long and hard, maybe a few years, and your perception is that this company would falter if it wasnt for your knowledge of the world. How on earth did those old bastards feed themselves before you came along?

Jezebeloria's perception that each one of those 20 somethings' routine is filled with finding the easiest way to do a task and daring someone with authority to question them on the quality and merits they bring to the company could be mis-interpreted. Is it possible the 20's are simply trying to improve upon what they dont understand and have never been taught (integrity, honesty, hard work, sweat, sense of accomplishment, etc) yet do it in a manner that we dont understand? (extra time for Mtv, PS2, Facebook, hooking up, virtual gardening, etc)

I think we started this mess 20+ years ago when every kid got a trophy, so as to not hurt any feelings and make everyone feel like they are part of the team.

IwasBit10

Given to... wrote:

IwasBit10 wrote:

jezebeloria wrote:

Couldnt agree with you more. This is why i got out of management. No work ethic whatsoever!!! And, and, and, I could go on for hours on my issues with the 20 somethings. For the most part they are just lazy and feel some sense of entitlement. Sucks getting older in an industry that is only getting younger!

I'm 23 and a manager for a logistics company, busting my ass 6 days a week. I work with a bunch of 40-55 year old drivers, and laziness and apathy is their specialty. Now, I don't go around saying "40 year olds have no work ethic," because obviously that's not true. Same is the case for what you said....

Can't argue with the sense of entitlement though. When's my promotion?!

Although I agree 100% with Jezebeloria, the most important word for this debate is "perception".

You think you bust your ass, yet your drivers perceive you as a lazy assed kid who thinks he has all the answers of the universe tied up in his 23 year old super sized ego. You have been busting your ass so long and hard, maybe a few years, and your perception is that this company would falter if it wasnt for your knowledge of the world. How on earth did those old bastards feed themselves before you came along?

Jezebeloria's perception that each one of those 20 somethings' routine is filled with finding the easiest way to do a task and daring someone with authority to question them on the quality and merits they bring to the company could be mis-interpreted. Is it possible the 20's are simply trying to improve upon what they dont understand and have never been taught (integrity, honesty, hard work, sweat, sense of accomplishment, etc) yet do it in a manner that we dont understand? (extra time for Mtv, PS2, Facebook, hooking up, virtual gardening, etc)

I think we started this mess 20+ years ago when every kid got a trophy, so as to not hurt any feelings and make everyone feel like they are part of the team.

I think another important word is "generalization." That was the point I was trying to get across. Not every 20-something is the same, nor is every 40-50 year old the same. Work ethics come in all different shapes and sizes (and ages).

Just because I've only been in the work force for 2 years, doesn't mean I don't work as hard as you. Do I think I have all the answers? Fuck no. I ask questions and try to learn every day through experience. Would my company survive without me? Of course! But I'm actually sickened that that's how people would perceive anybody my age, without any background knowledge of an individual. Are there some merits to thinking 20-somethings lack integrity, honesty, hard work, sweat, sense of accomplishment, etc? Sure there is! But you can't discredit the 20-somethings that are actually trying and contributing, just because you're from a different "generation." Just seems really generalized, not to mention arrogant and close-minded.

PS., I can't tell if you actually think that I think that, or if you're just trying to provide a different viewpoint. Nothing personal. And that whole promotion thing in my other post was completely sarcastic....

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

i blame Pokemon.

LikeAnOcean

pineapplesandwaves. wrote:

he still stands wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

There are so many laws, rules, guidlines, norms to follow nowadays that everyone blindly follows. There used to be a sense of freedom and an "outlaw attitude" in our culture that is slowly fading away.

If only my students blindly followed my rules and guidelines, my day would be a heck of a lot easier.

You think there is no longer a sense of "outlaw attitude"?

Oh, if only....

I was just like to point out, I was totally misquoted above.. he still stands wrote that, but I agree with much of it.

jezebeloria

I'm not saying all 20 somethings are lazy with no work ethic. Just most...