Illegal alien murders Arizona rancher

Kel Varnsen

Starfall wrote:

Or, you can do what FDR did and repeal Prohibition. It did two very important things -

1. Put liquor back into the normal economy, enabling governments to raise revenue by imposingt taxes and
2. Broke the back of the Chicago gangs that made their money off illicit booze.

I guarantee you if marijuana is decriminalized, it will do similar things for us. Marijuana is 70% of the revenue for these Mexican drug gangs - remove that revenue, and they'll collapse, like the Prohibition era gangs.

PLUS, it will alleviate the huge overcrowding in our prisons AND free up our law enforcement to go after REAL criminals, not the guys who spend all day harmlessly tripping out over pot. And without the drug gangs using undocumented workers to ferry their stuff over the border, illegal immigration will drop.

Besides, decriminalization of marijuana in gonna be on the ballot in California this fall... don't forget to vote.

Since when did the prohibition era gangs collapse. They might have decreased in size since then, but in reality they just found new rackets to go after, mostly getting involved with unions.

Starfall

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Since when did the prohibition era gangs collapse. They might have decreased in size since then, but in reality they just found new rackets to go after, mostly getting involved with unions.

Collapse doesn't necessarily mean extinction, you know.:
4. to suddenly lose force, significance, effectiveness, or worth

While the gangs went on to other forms of criminal activity, they were never the same after Prohibition.

Commy

unsung wrote:

That makes no sense. They will just run cocaine/heroin/whatever else up the pipe. That is not the answer.

So legalize those things too.



Deaths from all illegal drugs combined don't come anywhere near alcohol or tobacco. In the 90's it was something like


all illegal drugs combined -2000
tobacco and alcohol -+50,000


those numbers are from memory and are estimates, but the contrast is that absurd.


The only reason there is a war on drugs is so the police can bother me, and them. Its a pretext for involvement in all of latin America, when reality shows they haven't done much more than be a victim to the superpower to the north. Now they want to come to America and work shit jobs and send money home to their families and you and the teabaggers present exceptions like the above as an excuse to close the border. The United States gov't raped their countries, the least we could do is give them jobs.

Pepe Silvia

arthurdent wrote:

Kel Varnsen wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

I don't know how to stop it. Do you think cutting off the supply completely will help, or is education and treatment at home a better option?

I don't think you can cut off the drug supply of any illegal drug completly. And everytime you make it smaller by those making record setting drug busts, all you do is increase the price that the dealers can sell what they still have for. I mean everytime I see one of those police press conferences where they have a bunch of bricks of coke laid out on a table, all I can think of is how the price of cocaine just went up and the dealers and suppliers are going to make more money.

If you can't cut off the supply, then kill the demand. Longer, harder sentences for drug offenses!!!!

while many of the jails are privately owned, for-profit businesses. like that case in PA where they were bribing a judge to send kids to his privately owned juvenile hall for several months past what they were sentenced because without going to a judge or anyone the facility would decide they weren't ready to be released yet....

are you really serious? how can you get tougher on users when our tax money is going to probably the biggest heroin trafficker in the world!?!?

arthurdent

Commy wrote:

unsung wrote:

all illegal drugs combined -2000
tobacco and alcohol -+50,000

shouldn't we be talking about getting rid of alcohol and tobacco, rather than legalizing other stuff?

arthurdent

Pepe Silvia wrote:

are you really serious? how can you get tougher on users when our tax money is going to probably the biggest heroin trafficker in the world!?!?

If the penalties are severe enough and the risks of getting caught high enough, maybe people won't use drugs in the first place. Eventually, people will get the hint.

Pepe Silvia

arthurdent wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

are you really serious? how can you get tougher on users when our tax money is going to probably the biggest heroin trafficker in the world!?!?

If the penalties are severe enough and the risks of getting caught high enough, maybe people won't use drugs in the first place. Eventually, people will get the hint.

that has never worked anywhere at any time in history

arthurdent

Pepe Silvia wrote:

that has never worked anywhere at any time in history

It will, if the penalty is death. Talk about a zero recidivism rate.

aerial

arthurdent wrote:

Commy wrote:

unsung wrote:

all illegal drugs combined -2000
tobacco and alcohol -+50,000

shouldn't we be talking about getting rid of alcohol and tobacco, rather than legalizing other stuff?

Yeah also bacon, salt, sugar, and caffeine, along with ski diving, mountain climbing, motorcross. Deep sea diving, and everything else unhealthy or dangerous......

Pepe Silvia

arthurdent wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

that has never worked anywhere at any time in history

It will, if the penalty is death. Talk about a zero recidivism rate.

you support executing people if they get high??

Starfall

arthurdent wrote:

Commy wrote:

unsung wrote:

all illegal drugs combined -2000
tobacco and alcohol -+50,000

shouldn't we be talking about getting rid of alcohol and tobacco, rather than legalizing other stuff?

We tried Prohibition already. It didn't work, that's why it was repealed.

theoceansmademe

arthurdent wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

that has never worked anywhere at any time in history

It will, if the penalty is death. Talk about a zero recidivism rate.

The death penalty isn't a deterrence when it comes to murder and other violent crimes so why would it work with drug use.

Look up the statistics states that enforce the death penalty have a higher crime rate than states without.