The Bush Admin is past.

Godfather.

Starfall wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

some one sent me this, do the stats seem accurate ? if so lets break out the fish bone chart and fix it.

A few things need to be pointed out -
Even if it were true about the US survival statistics, nobody dies in the UK or Canada for lack of health insurance, whereas 44,000 die every year in the USA. It's not the quality of health care being provided, it's the lack of access that's the problem.

Secondly, using the yardstick of having a lot of business people in government as some standard for success is ludicrous on its face. Last I checked, Bill Clinton presided over a booming economy and he scored near the bottom at 39%. So did JFK, and Teddy Roosevelt. And the top marginal tax rates under that infamous socialist Eisenhower were almost 90%.
Moreover, George W Bush, who scored second at 53%, not only ran the economy into the ground, but even before being President he ran 3 companies into bankruptcy too.

This is why the whole concept of "fiscal conservative" is useless:

I wasn't trying to stirr up a argument I just thought that the stats given to me by a friend were interesting
if they were accurate, as far as health care change in the us goes I think it's a big sham for the insurance
companys to make even more money, not that I know this for fact but the bottom line will be the working class
paying more than we already do to help support the people that don't have insurance and with that in mind we know who the winner's will be..the insurance company's,maybe I'm wrong but like I said the bottom line is and always will be money.

Godfather.

Godfather.

badbrains wrote:

Hey godfather, maybe it's U that mite finally get it someday....fuck I'm so tired of saying it over and over again, there is NO democracy in America or in the world. It's all 1....Fuck, with all the information out there and the internet, why can't "some" of u wake the fuck up!!!! Come on, stop fucken sleep walking through life....the "true" leaders are the "hidden hand" that no one sees.....unless they look hard enough...

who do you believe the true leaders of the USA/world to be ? serious I'm asking.

Godfather.

Starfall

Godfather. wrote:

I wasn't trying to stirr up a argument I just thought that the stats given to me by a friend were interesting
if they were accurate, as far as health care change in the us goes I think it's a big sham for the insurance
companys to make even more money, not that I know this for fact but the bottom line will be the working class
paying more than we already do to help support the people that don't have insurance and with that in mind we know who the winner's will be..the insurance company's,maybe I'm wrong but like I said the bottom line is and always will be money.

Godfather.

Oh I'm completely with you on that. I just felt that the insinuations in that forwarded email were way off the mark - that a lot of Americans were surviving and getting treatment more easily than their counterparts in Canada and the UK, and therefore there was something much worse about the health care systems in the latter countries... when we all know that it's rubbish. (I even question the numbers cited there as accurate).
This new health care bill isn't particularly great... but it's a decent first step, I think.

cajunkiwi

Gern Blansten wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

some one sent me this, do the stats seem accurate ? if so lets break out the fish bone chart and fix it.

Godfather.

A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very interesting
statistics from a survey by the United Nations International Health
Organization.

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after
diagnosis:
U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment
within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six
months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18

Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in
"excellent health":
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%

I don't know about you, but I don't want "Universal Healthcare" comparable
to England or Canada .

VERY INTERESTING! the percentage of each past president's cabinet who had
worked in the private business sector prior to their appointme nt to the
cabinet.

You know what the private business sector is... a real life business,
not a government job.

Here are the percentages.

T. Roosevelt........ 38%
Taft...................... 40%
Wilson ................. 52%
Harding.................49%
Coolidge.............. 48%
Hoover............ ..... 42%
F. Roosevelt......... 50%
Truman.......... ....... 50%
Eisenhower........... 57%
Kennedy.............. 30%
Johnson................ 47%
Nixon.................... 53%
Ford..................... 42%
Carter................... 32%
Reagan................. 56%
GH Bush...... ........ 51%
Clinton ................. 39%
GW Bush............. 55%

And the winner is..............Obama.................
8% !!!

Yep! That's right! Only Eight
Percent!!!..the least by far of the last 19
presidents!! And these people are
trying to tell our big corporations how
to run their business? They know what's
best for GM...Chrysler... Wall
Street... and you and me?

How can the president of a major
nation and society...the one with the
most successful economic system in
world history... stand and talk about
business when he's never worked for
one?.. or about jobs when he has never
really had one??!
And neither has 92% of his senior staff
and closest advisers..! They've
spent most of their time in academia,
government and/or non-profit
jobs....or as "community organizers"

and yet we are ranked #37 by the World Health Organization....behind all those other countries

Even Cuba is ranked ahead of the US by the WHO.

OnTheEdge

Funny how nobody has anything to say about his 8% private business experience. :shh: :shh: :shh:

inmytree

mb262200 wrote:

Funny how nobody has anything to say about his 8% private business experience. :shh: :shh: :shh:

perhaps it doesn't matter to anyone...

brandon10

mb262200 wrote:

Funny how nobody has anything to say about his 8% private business experience. :shh: :shh: :shh:

Because we don't give a shit. It's irrelevant.

Gern Blansten

mb262200 wrote:

Funny how nobody has anything to say about his 8% private business experience. :shh: :shh: :shh:

so what? What private experience did Clinton have? he was the only president we've had in the last 20 years that had a balanced budget

keeponrockin

Gern Blansten wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Funny how nobody has anything to say about his 8% private business experience. :shh: :shh: :shh:

so what? What private experience did Clinton have? he was the only president we've had in the last 20 years that had a balanced budget

This.

I'll take a balanced budget and a blowjob over business experience.

unsung

Starfall wrote:

Last I checked, Bill Clinton presided over a booming economy

Didn't Clinton preside over the dotcom era that quickly burst?

Gern Blansten

unsung wrote:

Starfall wrote:

Last I checked, Bill Clinton presided over a booming economy

Didn't Clinton preside over the dotcom era that quickly burst?

yes he did....bad president....bad bad bad

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

Didn't Clinton preside over the dotcom era that quickly burst?

...
If the answer is 'Yes'... then, logic states that the Bush Administration and the Conservative Republican Congress are responsible for the Mortgage meltdown and the Wall Street default swap disaster, right?

Stypo420

FiveB247x wrote:

Everyone in our nation needs to stop taking sides, and all the other partisan nonsense and discuss issues and solutions and nothing more. We're too concerned about who the messenger is compared to the message or people rooting for their side like it's a sporting event.

Bravo

Stypo420

mb262200 wrote:

Funny how nobody has anything to say about his 8% private business experience. :shh: :shh: :shh:

OK thank god for once the person holding the highest office in our land isn't tied and gaged by the very cancer of our society......The Private Sector! is that good enough or should I shout itfor you?

Godfather.

I watched a movie called "shooter" and there is a great quote in it..
Ned Beatty- "there is no Democrats there is no republicans,all there are is haves and have nots"

dose that about sum it up or what.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten

Godfather. wrote:

I watched a movie called "shooter" and there is a great quote in it..
Ned Beatty- "there is no Democrats there is no republicans,all there are is haves and have nots"

dose that about sum it up or what.

Godfather.

make your point clear.....what is it?

OnTheEdge

lgoose420 wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Funny how nobody has anything to say about his 8% private business experience. :shh: :shh: :shh:

OK thank god for once the person holding the highest office in our land isn't tied and gaged by the very cancer of our society......The Private Sector! is that good enough or should I shout itfor you?

The cancer of our society is the private sector? What a socialist.

OnTheEdge

Godfather. wrote:

I watched a movie called "shooter" and there is a great quote in it..
Ned Beatty- "there is no Democrats there is no republicans,all there are is haves and have nots"

dose that about sum it up or what.

Godfather.

Good movie.

Stypo420

mb262200 wrote:

lgoose420 wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Funny how nobody has anything to say about his 8% private business experience. :shh: :shh: :shh:

OK thank god for once the person holding the highest office in our land isn't tied and gaged by the very cancer of our society......The Private Sector! is that good enough or should I shout itfor you?

The cancer of our society is the private sector? What a socialist.

Actually, I do not think I am, I just think that the private sector is very much the same as or own society. Society needs rule of law without it chaos would ensue, I am sure you would not argue with that as a general point. Well the private sector needs laws too in the form of regulations with a strong enforcement arm. Without regulation, portions of the private sector will continue to rape and pillage the middle and lower classes until we are all stricken into poverty. That is all I am saying we do not need to do everything for the average person but we do need to stop providing every advantage to businesses at our own expense. Is that socialism? If so….screw it count me in I’m a socialist!

Stypo420

Godfather. wrote:

I watched a movie called "shooter" and there is a great quote in it..
Ned Beatty- "there is no Democrats there is no republicans,all there are is haves and have nots"

dose that about sum it up or what.

Godfather.

Actually, I think this quotation speaks volumes about who you are and your general view in this conversation.

please tell me if I am wrong but I think you are saying, Look political parties don't really matter, if you have enough of something money, power, connections whatever really as long as it is something the power players want then you will be ok. On the other hand if you lack those things sorry and good luck to you!

How did I do?