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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    Cosmo wrote:
    brandon10 wrote:
    That's a very good post. I understand where you are coming from.But the government forcing me to buy insurance is not a good thing. It's like if you owned a small corner store in New Jersey and the government forced you to pay the mafia for protection instead of providing police. Instead of supplying a single payer option the goverment has got into bed with the insurance companies(mafia ;) ).
    ...
    The problem is when you try to provide coverage for everyone... and not everyone pays into it. This happened in some of the states tried it. People weren't forced to participate and spent their money elsewhere, thinking they'll never get sick. Then, they get something that requires expensive care and want to get into the plan.
    You can't say, "Sorry... you haven't been paying... you must die." They get care... because everyone else paid for them. Think of driving for years without auto insurance... then, getting in an accident and applying for insurance to pay for the costs after the fact. Doesn't work that way.
    ...
    The problem isn't so much the government... it's the people. If everyone was willing to pay for insurance, there wouldn't be the need to make it law. Just like you cannot just ask that people buy auto insurance... it has to be a law. Wearing a seat belt is the smart thing to do... but, because of people, there has to be a law. Common sense should tell you that is is not smart to text your Tweeter account while driving... but, it has to be a law. If everyone did what thy should do... there would not be the need for laws to tell them to.
    Case in point... there are laws on some books that makes it illegal to have sex with a horse!!! Really. There are some people that need to be told, "Don't fuck a horse".
    ...
    And i agree... the bill needed a Public Option so that little store in New Jersey could go to the police, instead of the Mafia. Blame goes to the political partisanship that is spliting our country in two. But, at least it's a start.

    because health insurance companies are in it to make a profit, i'd rather pay to have health care
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

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  • CAVSTARR313
    CAVSTARR313 Posts: 8,756
    Those damned horse fuckers, you cant trust 'em..
    None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free.
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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    stickfig13 wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Or maybe this is terrible notion to install into our society... partisan politics with a slight flavor of revenge and bitterness.

    +1

    to some it's all about having their turn as king of the hill. it seems like a lot of politics is taking to someone, not with them. it's about me being right because if you disagree you are assigned some label so your opinions can be brushed aside.there are a lot of politicians that don't seem to have any ideas other than screaming 'NOOOO!' and throwing tantrums. politics has become such a joke watching a party defend an action when they are in power then quickly denounce it as 1 of the worst things in history when they are not. it's not about progress and the betterment of society, it's about keeping power, making money and helping out campaign investors

    look at how barney frank reacted to that lady about the nazi type health care. obviously her concept of what the bill was wasn't inline with reality but the way he reacted to her will more than likely only strengthen that idea and thinking 'he didn't want to respond with facts so he just attacked me to shut me up!' and gave the right something to bicker about and say 'see, they don't like the public, they just make fun of you!' i wonder what would've happened if he actually tried to find out why she thought that and told her how she was wrong calmly instead of acting like a prick?
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Why are those opposed to the health care reform (presumably conservatives) willing to spend endless tax dollars on endless wars and not willing to fork out a penny for domestic problems?


    Last time I checked the Democrats are keeping those wars going.
  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,345
    Cosmo wrote:
    brandon10 wrote:
    That's a very good post. I understand where you are coming from.But the government forcing me to buy insurance is not a good thing. It's like if you owned a small corner store in New Jersey and the government forced you to pay the mafia for protection instead of providing police. Instead of supplying a single payer option the goverment has got into bed with the insurance companies(mafia ;) ).
    ...
    The problem is when you try to provide coverage for everyone... and not everyone pays into it. This happened in some of the states tried it. People weren't forced to participate and spent their money elsewhere, thinking they'll never get sick. Then, they get something that requires expensive care and want to get into the plan.
    You can't say, "Sorry... you haven't been paying... you must die." They get care... because everyone else paid for them. Think of driving for years without auto insurance... then, getting in an accident and applying for insurance to pay for the costs after the fact. Doesn't work that way.
    ...
    The problem isn't so much the government... it's the people. If everyone was willing to pay for insurance, there wouldn't be the need to make it law. Just like you cannot just ask that people buy auto insurance... it has to be a law. Wearing a seat belt is the smart thing to do... but, because of people, there has to be a law. Common sense should tell you that is is not smart to text your Tweeter account while driving... but, it has to be a law. If everyone did what thy should do... there would not be the need for laws to tell them to.
    Case in point... there are laws on some books that makes it illegal to have sex with a horse!!! Really. There are some people that need to be told, "Don't fuck a horse".
    ...
    And i agree... the bill needed a Public Option so that little store in New Jersey could go to the police, instead of the Mafia. Blame goes to the political partisanship that is spliting our country in two. But, at least it's a start.
    Very well put. People don't realize that this is the insurance for the working man. The guy who gets laid off from his factory job. The reason why so many people stick with shitty jobs is because of the Health Insurance. Now they can have a choice and can switch jobs if they are not happy or if the boss is an asshole and not worry about being insured. This will also help the creative people in the world who just want to be a full time writer or painter and will have the ability ro purchase affordable insurance.
  • stickfig13
    stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    unsung wrote:
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Why are those opposed to the health care reform (presumably conservatives) willing to spend endless tax dollars on endless wars and not willing to fork out a penny for domestic problems?


    Last time I checked the Democrats are keeping those wars going.

    My point is...

    Money is Money no matter how it's spent. I was trying to point out the irony in the conservative "No more spending" argument. Wars are OK, but government run programs in any form are blasphemy.

    $900+ Billion on endless wars started by a conservative administration.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Please. George Bush is NOT a conservative.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    unsung wrote:
    Please. George Bush is NOT a conservative.
    ...
    According to who?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    unsung wrote:
    Please. George Bush is NOT a conservative.
    he was the self proclaimed "compassionate conservative" from what i recall...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Please. George Bush is NOT a conservative.
    he was the self proclaimed "compassionate conservative" from what i recall...


    i didn't see many republicans distancing themselves from him
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Please. George Bush is NOT a conservative.
    he was the self proclaimed "compassionate conservative" from what i recall...


    i didn't see many republicans distancing themselves from him
    ...
    You see alot of them now... they now call themselves, 'Independents'.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    unsung wrote:
    Please. George Bush is NOT a conservative.


    spoken like a true tea party member ;)

    but not to get into a debate over identity, but simply put you are what you identify yourself as

    he identified himself as a conservative, you are placing a different label on him
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  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    you guys are so funny with your silly analogies

    the only one that makes sense is Cosmo

    did some really compare the health care mandate to the paying the mafia for protection

    but in reality the mandate was added for purely economics it is the only way to keep cost down healthy people need to be forced to pay into as cosmo said how much do think car insurance would cost if didn't have to buy and only got it you wanted it
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    KDH12 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Please. George Bush is NOT a conservative.


    spoken like a true tea party member ;)

    but not to get into a debate over identity, but simply put you are what you identify yourself as

    he identified himself as a conservative, you are placing a different label on him


    The only difference between Obama and Bush is skin color. Wars continued? Check. Patriot Act? Check? Massive spending? Check. Bending over the taxpayers? Check. Lobbyist abuses? Check.

    Same old. Same old.
  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    health care passed. check. immigration reform passed. soon to be checked (I suspect this will be taken on next).


    3 mores years to collect checks
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  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    KDH12 wrote:
    you guys are so funny with your silly analogies

    the only one that makes sense is Cosmo

    did some really compare the health care mandate to the paying the mafia for protection

    but in reality the mandate was added for purely economics it is the only way to keep cost down healthy people need to be forced to pay into as cosmo said how much do think car insurance would cost if didn't have to buy and only got it you wanted it

    I understand the mandate for economic reasons. I also understand the mandate for entrenching the insurance company reasons. I think this part of the bill will make it take longer for single payer or a public option to be enacted.

    Call me crazy, but I think after the way the insurance companies have raped and pilaged the citizens in the U.S., the last thing I would want to do is reward them with more clients.
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    For the love of god anyone who thinks George Bush was conservative must have been in a coma while he was President. I'm sure there are many nuthuggers in the teaparty movement who feel he was a great President. Myself, speaking as a conservative, he was an abysmal excuse for a President.
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    KDH12 wrote:
    you guys are so funny with your silly analogies

    the only one that makes sense is Cosmo

    did some really compare the health care mandate to the paying the mafia for protection

    but in reality the mandate was added for purely economics it is the only way to keep cost down healthy people need to be forced to pay into as cosmo said how much do think car insurance would cost if didn't have to buy and only got it you wanted it

    Seriously. You think for a single moment that just because insurance companies are now going to have even more clients than they did before, that somehow costs are going to go down?

    The other funny part of all this is, which many people fail to address, for years Republicans have been accused of being in the back pocket of big corporations, especially insurance companies. These accusations are justified in most cases. However, here we have what has to be the biggest windfall the insurance industry has ever seen with mandated coverage, and not a single Republican supported it. :roll:
  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    so it would have gotten more Republican votes if it had a public option

    i still fail to see viable alternatives from Republicans even as they talk about repealing it
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  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    TravisTheSky wrote:
    The Income Tax pays for public services!?!?

    Oh my dear, you are naive. Looks like you've been listening to Mass Media's interpretation of history.

    Who said anything about Income taxes, my dear?
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