Savor the flavor
shadowcast
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I posted this on another thread but after reading it again I have to post for everyone to see. I read this today after an YAHOO article in the comment field. I thought this person summed it up just right.
"Remember how so many people screamed and protested against a useless war in Iraq that would kill thousands of Americans and bankrupt the country for a generation? Remember when Dubya smirked in 2004, "We got political capital and we're gonna spend it"? Remember when Obama tried and tried and tried to be the bigger man...when he didn't prosecute Cheney and other criminals, when he avoided blaming Bush for the ginormous deficits, when he kept trying to reach across the aisle because he knew the air is getting very poisonous in our national debate...?
Well, payback's tough, ain't it? But if you're gonna swagger around like total assholes for eight years, you best be ready to expect some backlash. You tried to get rid of Social Security (thank God that never got anywhere before the markets completely tanked), the income tax (which pays for your highways, your police and fire, and even your TV, you fools), and Food and Drug Administration rules. Maybe your kids need more arsenic in their water, I don't know. Now it's the commie liberal turn. Savor the flavor. At least you'll be healthy enough to hit the streets to protest."
"Remember how so many people screamed and protested against a useless war in Iraq that would kill thousands of Americans and bankrupt the country for a generation? Remember when Dubya smirked in 2004, "We got political capital and we're gonna spend it"? Remember when Obama tried and tried and tried to be the bigger man...when he didn't prosecute Cheney and other criminals, when he avoided blaming Bush for the ginormous deficits, when he kept trying to reach across the aisle because he knew the air is getting very poisonous in our national debate...?
Well, payback's tough, ain't it? But if you're gonna swagger around like total assholes for eight years, you best be ready to expect some backlash. You tried to get rid of Social Security (thank God that never got anywhere before the markets completely tanked), the income tax (which pays for your highways, your police and fire, and even your TV, you fools), and Food and Drug Administration rules. Maybe your kids need more arsenic in their water, I don't know. Now it's the commie liberal turn. Savor the flavor. At least you'll be healthy enough to hit the streets to protest."
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also, Obama's regulatory czar actually agrees with Bush on the arsenic thing and said the public overreacted over it, he also says his closed door meetings with coal plants on regulations is because of national security
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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I'm saying, if it's illegal to drive without car insurance, why do people have a problem with having health insurance!!?
Do I hear people say "If a person decides not to buy CAR insurance, that person by definition is not engaging in commerce."
Every time an uninsured victim goes into a hospital, who gets stuck with the bill? The tax payers! The people who already have spent their own money buying their own insurance!
Can't people see that the RICH insurance companies are trying to save themselves? They are a very wealthy industry and they don't want to let go of even a little bit of their acquired wealth for the common good.
Thank goodness there are people with balls who are standing up for what is right! The whole system may have some rough spots still, but the idea is definitely in the right direction for the people of this country and especially for our elderly and children.
Abrn Hlls '98 - Clarkston 2 '03 - Grd Rpds '06 - Abrn Hlls '06 - Clvd '10 - PJ20 - Berlin 1+2 '12 - Wrigley '13 - Pitt '13- buff '13- Philly 1+2 '13 - Seattle '13
As long as you never get sick... or get have an accident that causes bodily harm... or get cancer... right?
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And I am not sure if I speak for anyone else, here... but, i get awfully tired of being told to 'Wake Up' by paranoid, uninformed people.
Hail, Hail!!!
Abrn Hlls '98 - Clarkston 2 '03 - Grd Rpds '06 - Abrn Hlls '06 - Clvd '10 - PJ20 - Berlin 1+2 '12 - Wrigley '13 - Pitt '13- buff '13- Philly 1+2 '13 - Seattle '13
The gap between sides of the fence is this country is more scary than any health care bill could ever be...
I see genuine hatred because of these issues
I agree with a lot of what your talking about but should we be made to pay taxes for for roads, education, police, firemen, etc.? Total capitalism would be a disaster and so would total socialism. We need the best blend of both, don't you think?
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Oh my dear, you are naive. Looks like you've been listening to Mass Media's interpretation of history.
This is funny on every level.
You say you have insurance... it is smart to have... which is true. But, if someone mandates that you have insurance... you are against it? Reform is needed because there are people who don't pay for insurance because they would much rather get that flat screen t.v., X-Box and a closet of 'TapOut' clothing... then, get sick and need and get care... passing on the costs to everyone else. It's not just poor people... it's alot of people.
I ask many, many questions... I ain't paranoid, even though the answers I get typically lead to more questions. Paranoia is the fear of something contrived and may not even exist... such as Health Care Death Panels.
The government makes you wear a seat belt. The government made auto manufacturers put seat belts in all cars because the auto makers didn't want the added expense. The government HAD to make it a law to wear a seat belt because fools weren't wearing them and getting into accidents that threw them into the windshield.
As for the draft... yes, I would be against the draft. But, if called upon for duty... I would go because it is the law and I am your basic law and order type of person. By not going, I would be commiting a crime and have to deal with the courts and possibly the correctional system. I'll go with the army over jail, anyday.
And what if they made this forum illegal? Really? Why, because listening to Pearl Jam would be illegal?
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I'm just saying... if you were informed... you would see what the problems are and the consequences for letting the status quo continue.
Hail, Hail!!!
That's a very good post. I understand where you are coming from.But the government forcing me to buy insurance is not a good thing. It's like if you owned a small corner store in New Jersey and the government forced you to pay the mafia for protection instead of providing police. Instead of supplying a single payer option the goverment has got into bed with the insurance companies(mafia
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Abrn Hlls '98 - Clarkston 2 '03 - Grd Rpds '06 - Abrn Hlls '06 - Clvd '10 - PJ20 - Berlin 1+2 '12 - Wrigley '13 - Pitt '13- buff '13- Philly 1+2 '13 - Seattle '13
+1
It is pretty bad here in Southern California! I can't even drive with my cell phone out! Bastards!
Though I don't like the idea of being made to purchase health insurance without a public option and would much prefer a single-payer system, I see the healthcare reform movement as one that is FINALLY respecting our rights - not taking them away.
Ha.. Thats pretty funny
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The problem is when you try to provide coverage for everyone... and not everyone pays into it. This happened in some of the states tried it. People weren't forced to participate and spent their money elsewhere, thinking they'll never get sick. Then, they get something that requires expensive care and want to get into the plan.
You can't say, "Sorry... you haven't been paying... you must die." They get care... because everyone else paid for them. Think of driving for years without auto insurance... then, getting in an accident and applying for insurance to pay for the costs after the fact. Doesn't work that way.
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The problem isn't so much the government... it's the people. If everyone was willing to pay for insurance, there wouldn't be the need to make it law. Just like you cannot just ask that people buy auto insurance... it has to be a law. Wearing a seat belt is the smart thing to do... but, because of people, there has to be a law. Common sense should tell you that is is not smart to text your Tweeter account while driving... but, it has to be a law. If everyone did what thy should do... there would not be the need for laws to tell them to.
Case in point... there are laws on some books that makes it illegal to have sex with a horse!!! Really. There are some people that need to be told, "Don't fuck a horse".
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And i agree... the bill needed a Public Option so that little store in New Jersey could go to the police, instead of the Mafia. Blame goes to the political partisanship that is spliting our country in two. But, at least it's a start.
Hail, Hail!!!
we're also paying to give the Iraqi's health care, not insurance
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
because health insurance companies are in it to make a profit, i'd rather pay to have health care
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Abrn Hlls '98 - Clarkston 2 '03 - Grd Rpds '06 - Abrn Hlls '06 - Clvd '10 - PJ20 - Berlin 1+2 '12 - Wrigley '13 - Pitt '13- buff '13- Philly 1+2 '13 - Seattle '13
to some it's all about having their turn as king of the hill. it seems like a lot of politics is taking to someone, not with them. it's about me being right because if you disagree you are assigned some label so your opinions can be brushed aside.there are a lot of politicians that don't seem to have any ideas other than screaming 'NOOOO!' and throwing tantrums. politics has become such a joke watching a party defend an action when they are in power then quickly denounce it as 1 of the worst things in history when they are not. it's not about progress and the betterment of society, it's about keeping power, making money and helping out campaign investors
look at how barney frank reacted to that lady about the nazi type health care. obviously her concept of what the bill was wasn't inline with reality but the way he reacted to her will more than likely only strengthen that idea and thinking 'he didn't want to respond with facts so he just attacked me to shut me up!' and gave the right something to bicker about and say 'see, they don't like the public, they just make fun of you!' i wonder what would've happened if he actually tried to find out why she thought that and told her how she was wrong calmly instead of acting like a prick?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Last time I checked the Democrats are keeping those wars going.
My point is...
Money is Money no matter how it's spent. I was trying to point out the irony in the conservative "No more spending" argument. Wars are OK, but government run programs in any form are blasphemy.
$900+ Billion on endless wars started by a conservative administration.
According to who?
Hail, Hail!!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i didn't see many republicans distancing themselves from him
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'