Sick of this!!

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    whygohome wrote:
    Cosmo, Cosmo, Cosmo, you are way off. First, no I didn't sit next to him. He wasn't there. Second....I can't even respond......yours was a silly post.
    ...
    So... who sat next to you? Ten/VHC tickets are sold only in pairs. How were the seats? Ten/VHC caliber?
    And you cannot respond because you feel it is silly of me to place the responsibility squarely upon your shoulders?
    ...
    I'm only addressing the portion of your text regarding you deciding to pay a scalper... not all of that social injustice stuff. See me on the moving Train for that.
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  • whygohome wrote:
    ML181059 wrote:
    whygohome wrote:

    And to ML181059, I would love to hear what exactly sickened you. The 6 things I posted are grounded in fact. Look around at the changes (not for the better) in this country.

    That your complaining. Its not like any of these things mentioned are causing physical harm to you, its easy to live and value what your choose to value and also to surround yourself with others that value the same things. I like this country, thats all. Arn't we supposed to be talking about Pearl Jam?


    Then detach my friend, detach. If you actually do that then what the majority of people think or do shouldnt matter much. None of the mentioned issues are keeping you from acting how you want to act.
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    hate to break it to you, but leaving the united states isn't going to solve your problem. unless you actually plan on getting into politics and changing the system from the inside there's no point to complaining. it's easy to point out faults, but ranting on here isn't going to help your cause.

    Mulder:
    I am very active in the community, and I am flirting with the idea of getting into politics - after I complete my PhD, I might go after a JD. However, I find myself at odds with American society, and I feel that there is no way to stop this speeding train of consumerism (read Andrew Bacevich's The Limits of Power), greed, materialism, and intellectual laziness.
    I consider myself an environmentalist and I do a lot of volunteer work with the Sierra Club, ASPCA, and the local chapter of the Humane Society. I will continue to exhaust myself as I fight for the environment and animal rights.

    So I am not only ranting on this forum. Thanks.

    Cosmo: the seat next to me was empty. That's all I know. And, I bought these tickets because I wanted to go to a damn concert. It was either that or don't go. My options are limited. I went to Europe last year and I had to pay all the b.s. fees charged by the airlines (baggage costs, etc.) because it was either that or don't go. And, their are many other examples. This is what our capitalist system has turned into: a way to trap the citizens into doing whatever the corporations want them to do, no matter how unethical it may be.

    ML181059: to quote you "Then detach my friend, detach. If you actually do that then what the majority of people think or do shouldnt matter much. None of the mentioned issues are keeping you from acting how you want to act."
    You just continue to miss the point. I know I can "act how I want to act" but since when is it a bad thing to be concerned about American society? I study it, observe it, and write about it because I care. My 15-20 hours of volunteer work is not for self gratification. What concerns me the most is to see society regressing in many aspects. Refer to my original post to see what a few of those are.

    Spree: I dig what you are saying
  • doomponydoompony Posts: 4,497
    i feel your pain. those hi-tech doohickeys that scam the ticketing websites make me sick. i remember lining up - the good old days - and walking away with a ticket in your hand.

    sigh.

    but, i mean, i live in nz - pretty far removed from the US - and we have ticket scalping scum here too. getting tix to the recent pixies shows was near impossible for most people. and pj gig in auckland.. those fixer tickets were gone in seconds. somethin' aint right.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    whygohome wrote:
    Cosmo: the seat next to me was empty. That's all I know. And, I bought these tickets because I wanted to go to a damn concert. It was either that or don't go. My options are limited. I went to Europe last year and I had to pay all the b.s. fees charged by the airlines (baggage costs, etc.) because it was either that or don't go. And, their are many other examples. This is what our capitalist system has turned into: a way to trap the citizens into doing whatever the corporations want them to do, no matter how unethical it may be.
    ...
    The system exists as long as people buy into it. My point being, you buy into the scalping system by participating in it. You DO have other alternatives, one of them being, choosing not to participate.
    There are many alternatives to being part of the scalping problem... find a fan who's buddy flaked on them (there are millions of flakes in the country), most fans are willing to break even and not be forced to eat the spare ticket. I gave away an extra ticket I had for the rare Santa Barbara 2003 gig to the person in the last seat in the last row of the venue. The Pearl Jam community is filled with selfless, generous, giving people. But, if you expect a front section seat... that's on YOU.
    The venues usually release unused tickets at showtime... typically in the band's friend/family and crew section and/or comped tickets that are no-shows. Those go for face value, no fees. I got into the Pearl Jam Fonda gig for free... along with about 100 other fans because the guest listers failed to show. Got into the Foo Fighters record release for the 20 dollar face value cost for the same reason. I went up to see 'Sunny Day Real Estate' without a ticket and refused to pay the scalper dime one. I was the only one outside the venue and he offered it for 20 bucks (5 under face val) before he decide to finally leave... and I said, 'No', because i wanted that asshole to eat that ticket. I ended up getting in through the back door when a road crew member gave me a pass. Got to hang backstage with Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins and eat free food and drink free beer.
    My point is... you cannot complain about something you knowingly and willingly choose to do. I hate scalpers... so, I never pay them. If it means I spend the evening outside the venue... so be it. It's not that big of a deal... my body parts are still where they're supposed to be and my blood is still inside me. No one dies because i miss a gig... no one goes hungry, either. Concerts are wants, not needs.
    But, that's just silly me... i suppose.
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  • fox_mulderXfox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
    sorry man
    but all i'm seeing by you posting on here and "flirting" with ideas is intellectual laziness.
    you seem smart though
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    Cosmo and Mulder:
    Again you are both simply missing the point. Cosmo, the Philly incident was me needing tix at the last minute. Step away from the specifics of that incident and see what I am saying about the industry, and people I suppose, as a whole. And, I doubt I would have been able to sneak into the Vet. My problem is with the industry. Also, this dude, although he was scalping, wasn't a scalper, he was a PJ fan and 10c member (or so he said). Please get the point.
    Mulder: How can you say someone who uses his time to volunteer for causes he believes in (as opposed to being a selfish, greedy pig who sits in front of the boob tube), and who is putting himself through a PhD program in order to better society, intellectually lazy? That's absurd! Seriously, you're way off and rather insulting.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    whygohome wrote:
    Again you are both simply missing the point. Cosmo, the Philly incident was me needing tix at the last minute. Step away from the specifics of that incident and see what I am saying about the industry, and people I suppose, as a whole. And, I doubt I would have been able to sneak into the Vet. My problem is with the industry. Also, this dude, although he was scalping, wasn't a scalper, he was a PJ fan and 10c member (or so he said). Please get the point.
    ...
    No... I understand your point about the corporations and the Facebook and all of that...
    But, you cannot deny the fact that it was YOUR choice to pay 200 dollars over face value for that ticket. You could have passed... but you CHOSE not to. You are just as much responsible for paying as his for selling.
    Then, you complain about what a dick this guy was... which is probably true. But, you did choose to participate in the transaction with this dick because of your WANT... it was not a NEED.
    Again, my point being... you cannot complain about something you willingly support. Suppport by participation... even though you oppose on moral, financial or other grounds.
    ...
    As for the Industry... yeah, i get that. TicketMaster, fees, service charges... yes, I understand that. We have no choice but to deal with the ticket distribution and TicketMaster and there is not muuch we can do about that... I get that. It's the part where you pay 200 bucks over face value that keeps people, such as scalpers, in the business of coming up ways to cheat the Ticketmaster distribution system to gain possession of tickets to sell to people for 200 dollars over face value. You are a part of that system as a buyer and you can do something about it by choosing NOT to participate in it. It may require sacrifice... which I have had to do on some ocasions... but, it is your choice.
    Bottom line... no buyers means no scalpers.
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  • fox_mulderXfox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
    dude i don't even know why you're responding to me. i'm bored and just trying to get a rise out of you.
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books Posts: 2,672
    edited March 2010
    There are some kids in Haiti who feel your pain, and are sympathetic with your situation. They can't believe that you had to waste over 7hrs of your day trying to get PJ tickets. They feel your pain and wish they could do something to help you get some tickets.

    I agree PBS does rule....
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  • whygohome wrote:
    Something needs to be done about the disgusting business of concert ticket sales. I realize PJ tried many years ago, but to go through a pre-sale process like I did today, an to receive NOTHING for my 7 hours of waiting on ticketmaster's site , only to see jacked up prices on stubhub, etc, is bull shit!!

    I had an asshole charge me 200 dollars above the face value for tickets to one of the Philly shows in the fall. Making money off of a PJ concert is truly repulsive, and, if I could, I would have loved nothing more than to beat the shit out of the asshole that made a profit off of me.

    This leads to larger issues in our society. Today, it is all about the almighty dollar. Nothing else matters. It makes me sick, and it is one of the many reasons I am leaving this country for good. The other reasons you ask?
    1. the abhorrant consumer and material culture - buy, buy, buy, all to build a fake image. Burn down the malls!!
    2. Facebook/myspace. our lives have become virtual. We care more about how we portray ourselves on these stupid sites than who we really are. Disgusting. It is more important to us how many friends we have in a fake world than in real life.
    3. Republicans.
    4. Celebrity worship. Are we that pathetic that we need to follow every move that a celebrity makes. Get a life!
    5. Intellectual laziness (e.g. screaming Socialism when you don't know what it means - 9/10 people who shout it freely). It is running rampant. Turn off the TV and get involved!
    6. Our false sense of American Exceptionalism. Wake the fuck up. Big guns and a thriving (yet talentless) entertainment industry do not make a nation great.

    TURN OFF THE DAMN TV!!!!


    This thread was some good late night reading. Dude, pack it in and head to Finland, not sure what else to tell you...

    my comments on your reasons for leaving us:
    burn the malls.....am I supposed to sew my own clothes?
    facebook....get with it brother, facebook is pretty cool and useful
    republicans.....thats a pretty blanket statment, in fact it seems that maybe you're being intellectually lazy in grouping all together. Im a Republican. I work hard for my money and want to keep it. I dont want to share it with you.
  • ponytdponytd Posts: 654
    whygohome wrote:
    Cosmo and Mulder:
    Again you are both simply missing the point. Cosmo, the Philly incident was me needing tix at the last minute. Step away from the specifics of that incident and see what I am saying about the industry, and people I suppose, as a whole. And, I doubt I would have been able to sneak into the Vet. My problem is with the industry. Also, this dude, although he was scalping, wasn't a scalper, he was a PJ fan and 10c member (or so he said). Please get the point.
    Mulder: How can you say someone who uses his time to volunteer for causes he believes in (as opposed to being a selfish, greedy pig who sits in front of the boob tube), and who is putting himself through a PhD program in order to better society, intellectually lazy? That's absurd! Seriously, you're way off and rather insulting.


    I can understand your anger. But like Cosmos said, you didn't NEED (like you stated on the quote above on the first line) to go to the show. You WANTED to go. Just like last week when the SEC tourney was here in Nashville and I'm a huge Kentucky fan and I wanted to go but didn't want to pay $200+ to the scalpers for tickets. Was the world going to end if I didn't go? No. So instead, I watched it at home. We'll chalk up the misunderstanding to the late hour and your anger over not getting tickets. Kudos and good luck on your PhD and (if you decide to go for it) JD
  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    Loved the OP.

    Move overseas you'll love it.

    It will strengthen your opinion of how f'd up the US is everyday.

    All the while, many people will be saying the US is greatest country on Earth because it has been beaten into their brains since birth and they haven't even stepped out of buttf*#kville, USA.

    I pity them and am embarrassed for them.
  • vedder_soupvedder_soup Posts: 5,861
    yeah i am sick of this as well.... sick of reading the same shit over and over! this place is full of fucking whingers at the moment :lol:

    oh, and very little of this thread relates to pearl jam, so i am not sure if the porch is the right place for it :lol:
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  • ECMECM Posts: 1,687
    My opinions if you care!!

    1. I FAIL - I am PJ merch hoarder... more stuff please!!!!
    2. Agree on FB, though my cat has account and likes playing the poker app ;)
    3. Displeasure with the "Fundie", bible thumping, gun toting, scare tactic, uneducated Republicans. I'm waiting for the sharks with laser beams on their heads will finish them off soon. However, not all are bad and make good points from time to time.
    4. I "heart" Bruce Campbell..... oh and that hot tall blue chick from Avatar
    5. You sir are a terrorist
    6. This nation is great; see number 3 why the US gets a bad wrap.
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  • fox_mulderXfox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
    My opinions if you care!!

    1. I FAIL - I am PJ merch hoarder... more stuff please!!!!
    2. Agree on FB, though my cat has account and likes playing the poker app ;)
    3. Displeasure with the "Fundie", bible thumping, gun toting, scare tactic, uneducated Republicans. I'm waiting for the sharks with laser beams on their heads will finish them off soon. However, not all are bad and make good points from time to time.
    4. I "heart" Bruce Campbell..... oh and that hot tall blue chick from Avatar
    5. You sir are a terrorist
    6. This nation is great; see number 3 why the US gets a bad wrap.

    holy shit i'm actually keeled over laughing as i type this
    "you sir are a terrorist" bahahahahaah
    watch the show "it's always sunny in philadelphia"... if you don't, already. it suits your sense of humour.
  • fox_mulderXfox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
    i'm still laughing
  • pjfan31pjfan31 Posts: 7,331
    whygohome wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    whygohome wrote:
    It makes me sick, and it is one of the many reasons I am leaving this country for good.

    wow :shock: :shock: :shock:

    Where are you going? When are you leaving?

    I have opportunities to teach at universities in Europe or Canada. Will leave once my dissertation is done.

    Thanks for asking

    Also, thanks to does_it_inspire, and kudos in being able to identify a charged, and maybe immature rant, albeit one that does express my views.


    Hey man, good on you for expressing your opinion. I gotta break it to you, Americanisation has gripped nearly the entire planet. The whole world revolves around the dollar, celebrities and the American way of life. I'm not complaining about Americanisation, It has made up a large portion of my life, and to be frank, I enjoy my life.

    The only Western country that really challenged (to an extent) Americanisation or 'cocacolonistion' was France. If it's Americanisation you wish to escape from, you best start looking into the third world. That's not trying to be smart or anything, but it really affects everywhere including little old Sydney where I'm from.

    However, if you're looking for an awesome place to live, well my friend, Sydney is it.
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  • 12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    so let me get this straight... the majority of you hate ticket master. yet when some guy bitches about it you side against him?

    OP is right.
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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    This has been interesting. One reason for the OP (down with OPP?) is to vent, rant, express displeasure at the intrusion of business into all aspects of life. I know, I know, this is a capitalist system and that's how it works. That doesn't mean I, or anyone else, have to like it, just because I was born into it. I am a cursed idealist, Thoreauvian, Marxist, minimalist (except when it comes to books and music) hippie. Second, I wanted to see what everyone's reactions were going to be. I study this shit, what do you want from me?

    P.S. the kids in Haiti post - irrelevant. Those types of "kids are starving" statements simply do not work. And, if not for health issues, I would have been on a volunteer trip to Haiti to help out. That's what I do with my free time, I volunteer to help others - aaahhhh, Socialism!!!!.

    There have been many good arguments of disagreement, as well as many of agreement. The bottom line is it is difficult to argue with someone who has an opinion - especially one that can be backed up with research and investigation.

    Cheers, and enjoy whatever shows you will be going to.
  • dannydanny Posts: 2,277
    i agree all the way piss you right off!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • MANTISMANTIS Posts: 272
    whygohome wrote:
    maybe if it was a Jay Z show, where it is all about bling and cash, it would make sense. But not PJ, please not PJ


    wow...your missing your own point...

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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    MANTIS wrote:
    whygohome wrote:
    maybe if it was a Jay Z show, where it is all about bling and cash, it would make sense. But not PJ, please not PJ


    wow...your missing your own point...


    "you are" is "you're"....and no I am not, I was being sarcastic
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    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • starmap3333starmap3333 Posts: 3,925
    whygohome wrote:

    TURN OFF THE DAMN TV!!!!

    No thanks, I love the NCAA tourney... maybe after that I will turn it off. Regarding your facebook/myspace comment, I agree. All these moronic pics of smiling idiots holding a beer bottle.... look at me life is a big party and I am AWESOME!!!! I hope those sites go pay someday... they';re all too vain to pay to promote their beauty ;)
  • igotpjigotpj Posts: 187
    Fuck that shit !!! Dont even waste your time on that. I would try the day of the show or start to befriend people who go to shows. THere are several people with extra tixs the day of the show and will only charge you face value. Heck, I have known people to give tickets away for free to people who are in need. I was one of those fortunate ones and recieved 2nd row in Toledo 2004...Stone's side. Since I was treated with a free ticket, I have given tickets away for shows. The last episode was during the Philly shows last year cause I had an extra. It all depends on who you know and trust. I am sure I will get burned and some douche will sell the ticket I give them, but karma can be a bitch and it will all work itself out.


    One last thing....
    Dont expect to be given everything a silver platter. You may not even find people who have extras or not willing to sell at all. Fans have become a little less giving and trustful in the past couple of years because of greed and all the me, me, me attitude.

    Good luck !!!
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