Deer population is increasing because WE ARE SPRAWLING AND BIGGERING AND BIGGERING pushing them out of their natural habitats by humans crowding them out and friggin cutting down trees. Have you noticed that they will have no where to go and you will shoot them?
Why not kill off people off when the population get's to big this planet?
WTF?
Most regions here in Canada allow hunting and have strict rules and quotas about how many deer you can hunt or turkeys or whatever and it is a means of conservation. If you don't control the animal population you won't eat. when deer population gets to large they move into farmers fields, destroy their crops, etc.. Sorry you may not like hunting, but tough, here in Canada it's a way of life for many people. In the States it's even bigger. As for the seal hunt, same thing it's been a way of life for generations. The world needs to get over.
It has nothing to do with hunting. It has everything to do with cruel and unusual violence. And if you don't believe the world is taking away the animals homes, read a children's book called The Lorax.
Animal habitat is decreasing the world over ... But in the specific case of deer, that is not the issue. Deer populations are too large because natural controls in the form of large predators are largely gone. Biodiversity decreases cause certain animal populations to explode, as a result of disruptions in the food chain and other factors. Deer, rabbits, the introduced House Sparrow, pigeons ... These kinds of critters become too numerous because their predators cannot adapt to hunting pressures and habitat changes, while they can. Ever wonder why most of the birds in the city belong to maybe 5 or 6 species, whereas in the woods there can be dozens? Habitat loss is a major, major problem, but not all species are affected the same way. Deer are a prime example. There is actually too much deer habitat, and not enough predators.
this thread was about SEALS and unusual torture. :?
I don't understand why people change the subject. Many folks "wait to talk" rather than listening to another side.
I think this thread is done and again I wonder how many people who replied here disregarded the violence, actually watched the seal slaughter on video. I don't feel anyone bothered.
THANK YOU for those who care.
The rest of you I will just call "kitten stompers."
this thread was about SEALS and unusual torture. :?
I don't understand why people change the subject. Many folks "wait to talk" rather than listening to another side.
I think this thread is done and again I wonder how many people who replied here disregarded the violence, actually watched the seal slaughter on video. I don't feel anyone bothered.
THANK YOU for those who care.
The rest of you I will just call "kitten stompers."
That issue has been addressed, until someone replaces the seal hunters income it will likely continue. Beside's your only commenting about the seals because they look so cute on TV, go inside a slaughter house, I'm sure its not very pretty their either. Sorry unless your a true vegan, then you really have no room to comment.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
this thread was about SEALS and unusual torture. :?
I don't understand why people change the subject. Many folks "wait to talk" rather than listening to another side.
I think this thread is done and again I wonder how many people who replied here disregarded the violence, actually watched the seal slaughter on video. I don't feel anyone bothered.
THANK YOU for those who care.
The rest of you I will just call "kitten stompers."
Ive learned to turn down the notch on my animal rights views and consider the whole situation first.
I hate seeing animals in vain, and i hate seeing animals being killed. I don't like seeing baby seals hooked in the eye... But some people do have some valid points. They aren't endangered, not like the bears in my province (where some communities of bears are at such a low population they wont be able to breed after 2 more generations!), I see that point. And its also a very valid point that if it were pigs being slaughtered no one would care, because they aren't cute and fuzzy.
I'm not saying I agree with the seal hunt (I don't) but until I can find the time and will power to become a vegetarian, I can't really speak out against people who eat seals. Fur is a different story, of course.
So I'm not a "kitten stomper", I'm just trying to be realistic here.
this thread was about SEALS and unusual torture. :?
I don't understand why people change the subject. Many folks "wait to talk" rather than listening to another side.
I think this thread is done and again I wonder how many people who replied here disregarded the violence, actually watched the seal slaughter on video. I don't feel anyone bothered.
THANK YOU for those who care.
The rest of you I will just call "kitten stompers."
That issue has been addressed, until someone replaces the seal hunters income it will likely continue. Beside's your only commenting about the seals because they look so cute on TV, go inside a slaughter house, I'm sure its not very pretty their either. Sorry unless your a true vegan, then you really have no room to comment.
I only like them because they are cute? Hmm....lets see, you must be magic to be able to read my mind. I am amazed at your power of perception. But wait, your statement is even further from the truth as I don't watch the idiot box. I keep my eyes open to injustice and suffering and try to speak for those who cannot.
Let me ask you this: Do you like it when strangers tell you what you are thinking?
I'm almost 50. I've seen so much violence that it makes my stomach crawl. In fact this whole thread of cynical "humans" (except for the rare few that were brave enough to take a stand with me) makes be believe that the human race will eventually die out and peace can return to this Earth. We are biggering and biggering and eating up resources like a fat man with a sweet tooth.
We are not the top of the food chain, this place was not created for us. It is to be shared. If you take away your neighbors home, don't be shocked when that neighbor moves into your front yard. Will you kill him then?
I don't eat meat because I don't put tissue in my body that has suffered for my eating pleasure. There is plenty of healthy food out there to eat. Ok, if your staving in the wilderness, I guess you would have to save yourself, but I bet you would not hook a deer by the eye and then leave it to suffer instead of using it to nourish you.
If you eat meat, fine. That's your choice, but I would feel exactly the same way about a cow, a chicken or even an ant. ALL LIVING BEINGS do not deserve to suffer and I will stand by that as did Buddha as did any peaceful message bearer.
You can live life lovingly or you can be a bitter and judge someone like me, but I guarantee you, what goes around eventually comes around. "What do you give back to help those that suffer?" Think hard and long about how you live. You get what you put out.
Now you have a very nice day and I will wish for you an open mind.
this thread was about SEALS and unusual torture. :?
I don't understand why people change the subject. Many folks "wait to talk" rather than listening to another side.
I think this thread is done and again I wonder how many people who replied here disregarded the violence, actually watched the seal slaughter on video. I don't feel anyone bothered.
THANK YOU for those who care.
The rest of you I will just call "kitten stompers."
That issue has been addressed, until someone replaces the seal hunters income it will likely continue. Beside's your only commenting about the seals because they look so cute on TV, go inside a slaughter house, I'm sure its not very pretty their either. Sorry unless your a true vegan, then you really have no room to comment.
I only like them because they are cute? Hmm....lets see, you must be magic to be able to read my mind. I am amazed at your power of perception. But wait, your statement is even further from the truth as I don't watch the idiot box. I keep my eyes open to injustice and suffering and try to speak for those who cannot.
Let me ask you this: Do you like it when strangers tell you what you are thinking?
I'm almost 50. I've seen so much violence that it makes my stomach crawl. In fact this whole thread of cynical "humans" (except for the rare few that were brave enough to take a stand with me) makes be believe that the human race will eventually die out and peace can return to this Earth. We are biggering and biggering and eating up resources like a fat man with a sweet tooth.
We are not the top of the food chain, this place was not created for us. It is to be shared. If you take away your neighbors home, don't be shocked when that neighbor moves into your front yard. Will you kill him then?
I don't eat meat because I don't put tissue in my body that has suffered for my eating pleasure. There is plenty of healthy food out there to eat. Ok, if your staving in the wilderness, I guess you would have to save yourself, but I bet you would not hook a deer by the eye and then leave it to suffer instead of using it to nourish you.
If you eat meat, fine. That's your choice, but I would feel exactly the same way about a cow, a chicken or even an ant. ALL LIVING BEINGS do not deserve to suffer and I will stand by that as did Buddha as did any peaceful message bearer.
You can live life lovingly or you can be a bitter and judge someone like me, but I guarantee you, what goes around eventually comes around. "What do you give back to help those that suffer?" Think hard and long about how you live. You get what you put out.
Now you have a very nice day and I will wish for you an open mind.
My mind is open, I assume your talking about the seal hunt in NFLD/Labrador, well like I said until something replaces their income it's going to continue, sorry, this province has been hit very hard economically and for many this is a way to supplement their fishing income, this is how many make their living. I really don't care whether you like it or not, nor do they, or the politicians who have the power to change it, Such as Life.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I care about what you say, but disagree. If you did not care, you would not have posted.
I really do appreciate others automatic habit of taking the other side as to create a five page argument about something innocent and hurting.
I'm always for the underdog. I always will be. I just can't believe how many Pearl Jam fans on this message forum have not read and understood the book Eddie recommended called Ishmael. If you have read it and still think that we humans have every right to destroy and possess what we find, then well, I'm just sorry you have missed Quinn's point...humans are a virus. Our culture is killing us. Read about us through the eyes of a gorilla and see what your heart says then.
Let's hope some alien race who is extremely hungry for flesh, won't land on this Earth to pursue our flesh. I wonder how many people would change their tune if they were the ones being devoured against their will. Yum, soylent green.....
I'm still pleased I started this thread despite the trolls who know it all and want to bash me down for trying to give back... I dislike apathy towards violence. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
I'm still pleased I started this thread despite the trolls who know it all and want to bash me down for trying to give back... I dislike apathy towards violence. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Nobody is trolling in this thread. And based on my own personal experience, here's some advice ... If you don't want to hear a dissenting opinion, don't post. Pardon my tone, but no one in here has treated you rudely, and yet you stoop to calling those who don't agree with you "kitty-stompers" and "humans" (in quotes).
I'm still pleased I started this thread despite the trolls who know it all and want to bash me down for trying to give back... I dislike apathy towards violence. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Nobody is trolling in this thread. And based on my own personal experience, here's some advice ... If you don't want to hear a dissenting opinion, don't post. Pardon my tone, but no one in here has treated you rudely, and yet you stoop to calling those who don't agree with you "kitty-stompers" and "humans" (in quotes).
yeah... in fact my views on our species are probably the same as the OP but i feel she is being a bit rash... just take a moment to step back and look at the discussion before calling all of us kitty stompers.
she had it right with the culture thing, not so much the humans as a virus tho... the two kind of contradict, according to quinn anyways. start another thread on ishmael and the story of b and i feel we could have a good discussion
just don't be so quick to judge.
some of the ppl on the board are twats tho...
Animal habitat is decreasing the world over ... But in the specific case of deer, that is not the issue. Deer populations are too large because natural controls in the form of large predators are largely gone. Biodiversity decreases cause certain animal populations to explode, as a result of disruptions in the food chain and other factors. Deer, rabbits, the introduced House Sparrow, pigeons ... These kinds of critters become too numerous because their predators cannot adapt to hunting pressures and habitat changes, while they can. Ever wonder why most of the birds in the city belong to maybe 5 or 6 species, whereas in the woods there can be dozens? Habitat loss is a major, major problem, but not all species are affected the same way. Deer are a prime example. There is actually too much deer habitat, and not enough predators.
The problem with the abundant deer habitat is that it is in people's backyard....thus creating conflict in some people's eyes...not to mention the increased collisions between deer and automobiles which result from this sharing of habitat.
There is actually a book out now that is based on the hypothesis that the increased numbers of crows is reflective of our environment being out of balance.....have not read it for the details, but it makes sense on the surface.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
I care about what you say, but disagree. If you did not care, you would not have posted.
I really do appreciate others automatic habit of taking the other side as to create a five page argument about something innocent and hurting.
I'm always for the underdog. I always will be. I just can't believe how many Pearl Jam fans on this message forum have not read and understood the book Eddie recommended called Ishmael. If you have read it and still think that we humans have every right to destroy and possess what we find, then well, I'm just sorry you have missed Quinn's point...humans are a virus. Our culture is killing us. Read about us through the eyes of a gorilla and see what your heart says then.
Let's hope some alien race who is extremely hungry for flesh, won't land on this Earth to pursue our flesh. I wonder how many people would change their tune if they were the ones being devoured against their will. Yum, soylent green.....
I'm still pleased I started this thread despite the trolls who know it all and want to bash me down for trying to give back... I dislike apathy towards violence. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
I'm not trying to sway your opinion, like I've said it's really about money and until they have a better way to supplement their income the seal hunt will continue. This is NFLD/Labrador they love their province and where they live, unfortunately far to many have had to leave to find work. I know people from there and they would move back in a heart beat if work was available. All these sealers are trying to do is survive and continue to live where they want.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I'm still pleased I started this thread despite the trolls who know it all and want to bash me down for trying to give back... I dislike apathy towards violence. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Nobody is trolling in this thread. And based on my own personal experience, here's some advice ... If you don't want to hear a dissenting opinion, don't post. Pardon my tone, but no one in here has treated you rudely, and yet you stoop to calling those who don't agree with you "kitty-stompers" and "humans" (in quotes).
People are rude when they automatically discount what I posted. The devils advocate syndrome on here is like a virus and yes I hate posting in this particular forum because if I had posted something like, "I have cancer and my last wish is to help the earth. Would people disagree with me then?
I don't care if you think I should not post. I've got a tough skin and your attempt to shut me up is just a waste of time. Also, are you suggesting that I censor myself? If you did not like my statement about kitten stompers, well, maybe it hits too close to your home? If the expression "kitten stomper" offends you, well that makes me laugh...... I could have said much worse. You are suggesting I censor myself by not opening my mouth to injustice. Maybe you should start a thread about how you dislike people speaking out.
I believe that there are good PJ fans....who care about the same things as the band. Like the oceans. What if I posted about the state of the oceans, would someone be opposed to that as well?
I like the band Phish and as much as I like pearl jam, the phish fans are far more evolved in the way they treat strangers. There is a general feeling of all of us being connected....what you do to your fellow living being will come back to you. I believe in love, not violence. I think that is fine characteristic to have. I have never met a stranger on Phish tour. There would not waste their time trying to tell me I'm wrong.
If you think my post is worth nothing to this forum. Then I say have a nice bitter life of never understanding another's pain.
When I invent my empathy machine, you can try it out and walk a mile in my shoes, I'm just a mother who wants to teach her child that violence in any form serves no purpose to humans and animals alike. To tell me not to post here is just plain funny. I have every right to express what I feel and if that means that most people are going to bash me in the head with a pick I'll keep taking it. The more you disagree with my sending the message of non violence, the more passion I have to remain steadfast on this subject. Thanks for helping me gain speed. You are so considerate
"If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm." Dalai Lama.
Oh Lordy .... I am not even going to delve into most of that attempt to demonize me and other fans of the band who disagree with your views. I will mention that my intent is not to shut anybody up, in fact, this was a good thread in terms of the ideas shared. I was just saying that you should expect someone to disagree, if nothing else because humans are pretty diverse in their views. Suffice to say, BhagavadGita, I have nothing against you personally and if you make the world a better place via your endeavors, awesome.
There is actually a book out now that is based on the hypothesis that the increased numbers of crows is reflective of our environment being out of balance.....have not read it for the details, but it makes sense on the surface.
Do you happen to have the title of this? As a birder, it sounds like it would be of great interest.
There is actually a book out now that is based on the hypothesis that the increased numbers of crows is reflective of our environment being out of balance.....have not read it for the details, but it makes sense on the surface.
Do you happen to have the title of this? As a birder, it sounds like it would be of great interest.
Sorry, I was browsing with a time limit....try Books A Million's website with the search word "crow"...I saw it at a Books-A-Million store.....glad to see another birder hanging around these here parts...oh, I believe that the author was a woman.
This is it: Crow Planet : Essential Wisdom from the Urban Wilderness by Lyanda Lynn Haupt
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
There is actually a book out now that is based on the hypothesis that the increased numbers of crows is reflective of our environment being out of balance.....have not read it for the details, but it makes sense on the surface.
Do you happen to have the title of this? As a birder, it sounds like it would be of great interest.
Sorry, I was browsing with a time limit....try Books A Million's website with the search word "crow"...I saw it at a Books-A-Million store.....glad to see another birder hanging around these here parts...oh, I believe that the author was a woman.
This is it: Crow Planet : Essential Wisdom from the Urban Wilderness by Lyanda Lynn Haupt
Oh Lordy .... I am not even going to delve into most of that attempt to demonize me and other fans of the band who disagree with your views. I will mention that my intent is not to shut anybody up, in fact, this was a good thread in terms of the ideas shared. I was just saying that you should expect someone to disagree, if nothing else because humans are pretty diverse in their views. Suffice to say, BhagavadGita, I have nothing against you personally and if you make the world a better place via your endeavors, awesome.
you know, its not even that i have different views from the OP... in fact our views on animal slaughter are probably very similar... but its not like there havn't been good points and discussion brought up by some people in the thread (of course not all - imho) and i think you have it right with the word 'demonize'... i felt demonized :(
i dont stomp on kitties....
Few fishermen expected to join in when N.L. seal hunt resumes on Thursday
ST. JOHN'S, N.L. - The commercial seal hunt is scheduled to resume Thursday in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and off northeastern Newfoundland in an area known as the Front.
However, few sealers are expected to head out. Frank Pinhorn of the Canadian Sealers Association says that's because there isn't much of a market for pelts.
He says he knows of only one company that's buying this year.
Pinhorn says some of the major buyers still have inventory from past years and he doesn't expect the situation to improve for another year or so.
Fisheries Minister Gail Shea says that while the Canadian sealing industry is not overly profitable right now, the federal government continues to seek new opportunities.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Bradley Bouzane, Canwest News Service
Published: Tuesday, April 06, 2010
A recent poll reveals half of Newfoundland sealers surveyed support a federal buyout of the industry, which would involve fishermen and vessel owners being compensated for their sealing licences, and money being invested in economic alternatives for affected communities.
The poll, conducted by Ipsos Reid on behalf of the Humane Society International/Canada, an animal rights group that opposes the hunt, said half of the 181 sealers it polled by telephone between Dec. 7, 2009 and Jan. 24, 2010 were in favour of a buyout. The poll is considered accurate plus or minus 7.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
But the Canadian Sealers Association does not see that as a reasonable option and disputes the poll's accuracy.
"There's 11,000 licensed sealers in Newfoundland and Labrador and I don't know where they got the sealers," said Frank Pinhorn, executive director of the Canadian Sealers Association in Newfoundland. "I don't think their base for doing this survey is representative in any meaningful percentage."
The humane society said the poll indicates the sealers' desire to take an alternate route instead of receiving government subsidies to keep the industry viable.
"The Canadian government claims they are supporting sealers by promoting and subsidizing the sealing industry," Humane Society executive director Rebecca Aldworth said in a news release. "Yet this poll reveals broad support among sealers for a federal buyout of the sealing industry -- a solution that would allow Canada to gracefully exit a controversy that has haunted us for five decades."
With the hunt set to open off Newfoundland's northeast coast on Thursday, one thing the two sides can seem to agree on is a depressed market for seal products.
Mr. Pinhorn said a reduced market is not only felt by the sealing industry, however, and expands into other fisheries as well.
"The sealing industry is not immune in 2009 or 2010 to what is happening worldwide with respect to the recession," Mr. Pinhorn said from Conception Bay South, just outside St. John's. "The market is cold on shrimp and lobsters and everything people in rural Newfoundland and Labrador harvest for a living."
Mr. Pinhorn estimates the total seal hunt this year will be similar to 2009, with only between 50,000 and 70,000 seals harvested. The quota set by the federal government is 335,000.
He insists the release of the poll is a ploy for groups opposed to the annual seal hunt to stay relevant when poor conditions do not allow them to be in the public eye during the harvest.
"Normally these groups make their pilgrimage to the Gulf [of St. Lawrence] each year and stick their helicopters down on the ice. But there's no ice out there this year, so they have to maintain their profile somehow," Mr. Pinhorn said. "It's an excuse to make people believe they're still doing something meaningful. It's another way for them to deceive the general public to get money into their accounts for selfish reasons. That's exactly what this is."
Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html? ... z0kQcuwSbs If this is true then why doesn't PETA and all who are opposed to this and put their money where their mouth is and negotiate with these individuals and contribute to the cause, like I've stated they need the money, however, I doubt this poll is very accurate.
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Animal slaughter is happening all over the world, as it does in the Scandinavian country of Denmark Faroe Island. Graphic video warning.
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Apple rejects seal-clubbing game from App Store
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By National Post Staff April 29, 2010 – 4:59 pm
By Althea Manasan, National Post
With all the missing iPhone drama dogging Apple recently, who would have thought that the next issue to plague the tech firm would be seal hunting?
Last week the company rejected a video game submitted to their App Store that would let players club virtual seals on their handheld devices.
The game’s designer, Matt Smyth, a Canadian software engineer, can’t understand why.The 28-year-old from St. John’s, N.L., wrote on his blog:
So I decided to develop a game based on the seal hunt (with a club). You play a seal hunter armed with a club against an unlimited number of seals. Tilting the device in the desired direction moves the club around the screen, and making a flicking motion causes the club to hit a seal or the ground. I tired to keep the game light hearted as possible with no blood, or clubbing baby seals. Well… you can try and club the baby seals, but you lose points and they just take off really fast.
The game, called iSealClub, isn’t the first one that Apple has shunned from its online store. Professional developers and hobbyists alike can create and submit applications to the App Store, but some for one reason or another, some don’t make the cut. Panned games include the real life-inspired MyShoe, where you throw footwear at George W. Bush, and Baby Shaker, where you shake babies until they stop crying.
According to Apple’s rejection letter, iSealClub contained “objectionable content,” but Smyth disagrees. He told Canadian Press:
“I was careful not to make the game graphic or have any gore or anything. It’s very light-hearted. It’s all cartoon based. It’s not what you would consider a very violent game. I know it involves clubbing seals, but (it’s) no different than the way people get clubbed in Mickey Mouse or Looney Tunes.”
Smyth wonders whether Apple rejected the game because they oppose the Canadian seal hunt. He calls this unfair because the hunt is socially acceptable in his province and sanctioned by the federal government. And in his game, just in like real life, hunting baby seals in illegal. This observance of the law, he argues, makes his game less “objectionable” compared to other games available in the App Store that let players shoot cops and steal cars, like Grand Theft Auto.
“I have that on my phone,” he said. “You can walk around, shoot cops in cold blood, and watch them sort of fall down in their own pool of blood.”
But what Smyth is forgetting is that cops are not nearly as cute as cuddly seals.
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It has nothing to do with hunting. It has everything to do with cruel and unusual violence. And if you don't believe the world is taking away the animals homes, read a children's book called The Lorax.
I don't understand why people change the subject. Many folks "wait to talk" rather than listening to another side.
I think this thread is done and again I wonder how many people who replied here disregarded the violence, actually watched the seal slaughter on video. I don't feel anyone bothered.
THANK YOU for those who care.
The rest of you I will just call "kitten stompers."
That issue has been addressed, until someone replaces the seal hunters income it will likely continue. Beside's your only commenting about the seals because they look so cute on TV, go inside a slaughter house, I'm sure its not very pretty their either. Sorry unless your a true vegan, then you really have no room to comment.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I hate seeing animals in vain, and i hate seeing animals being killed. I don't like seeing baby seals hooked in the eye... But some people do have some valid points. They aren't endangered, not like the bears in my province (where some communities of bears are at such a low population they wont be able to breed after 2 more generations!), I see that point. And its also a very valid point that if it were pigs being slaughtered no one would care, because they aren't cute and fuzzy.
I'm not saying I agree with the seal hunt (I don't) but until I can find the time and will power to become a vegetarian, I can't really speak out against people who eat seals. Fur is a different story, of course.
So I'm not a "kitten stomper", I'm just trying to be realistic here.
I only like them because they are cute? Hmm....lets see, you must be magic to be able to read my mind. I am amazed at your power of perception. But wait, your statement is even further from the truth as I don't watch the idiot box. I keep my eyes open to injustice and suffering and try to speak for those who cannot.
Let me ask you this: Do you like it when strangers tell you what you are thinking?
I'm almost 50. I've seen so much violence that it makes my stomach crawl. In fact this whole thread of cynical "humans" (except for the rare few that were brave enough to take a stand with me) makes be believe that the human race will eventually die out and peace can return to this Earth. We are biggering and biggering and eating up resources like a fat man with a sweet tooth.
We are not the top of the food chain, this place was not created for us. It is to be shared. If you take away your neighbors home, don't be shocked when that neighbor moves into your front yard. Will you kill him then?
I don't eat meat because I don't put tissue in my body that has suffered for my eating pleasure. There is plenty of healthy food out there to eat. Ok, if your staving in the wilderness, I guess you would have to save yourself, but I bet you would not hook a deer by the eye and then leave it to suffer instead of using it to nourish you.
If you eat meat, fine. That's your choice, but I would feel exactly the same way about a cow, a chicken or even an ant. ALL LIVING BEINGS do not deserve to suffer and I will stand by that as did Buddha as did any peaceful message bearer.
You can live life lovingly or you can be a bitter and judge someone like me, but I guarantee you, what goes around eventually comes around. "What do you give back to help those that suffer?" Think hard and long about how you live. You get what you put out.
Now you have a very nice day and I will wish for you an open mind.
My mind is open, I assume your talking about the seal hunt in NFLD/Labrador, well like I said until something replaces their income it's going to continue, sorry, this province has been hit very hard economically and for many this is a way to supplement their fishing income, this is how many make their living. I really don't care whether you like it or not, nor do they, or the politicians who have the power to change it, Such as Life.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I really do appreciate others automatic habit of taking the other side as to create a five page argument about something innocent and hurting.
I'm always for the underdog. I always will be. I just can't believe how many Pearl Jam fans on this message forum have not read and understood the book Eddie recommended called Ishmael. If you have read it and still think that we humans have every right to destroy and possess what we find, then well, I'm just sorry you have missed Quinn's point...humans are a virus. Our culture is killing us. Read about us through the eyes of a gorilla and see what your heart says then.
Let's hope some alien race who is extremely hungry for flesh, won't land on this Earth to pursue our flesh. I wonder how many people would change their tune if they were the ones being devoured against their will. Yum, soylent green.....
I'm still pleased I started this thread despite the trolls who know it all and want to bash me down for trying to give back... I dislike apathy towards violence. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Nobody is trolling in this thread. And based on my own personal experience, here's some advice ... If you don't want to hear a dissenting opinion, don't post. Pardon my tone, but no one in here has treated you rudely, and yet you stoop to calling those who don't agree with you "kitty-stompers" and "humans" (in quotes).
she had it right with the culture thing, not so much the humans as a virus tho... the two kind of contradict, according to quinn anyways. start another thread on ishmael and the story of b and i feel we could have a good discussion
just don't be so quick to judge.
some of the ppl on the board are twats tho...
There is actually a book out now that is based on the hypothesis that the increased numbers of crows is reflective of our environment being out of balance.....have not read it for the details, but it makes sense on the surface.
I'm not trying to sway your opinion, like I've said it's really about money and until they have a better way to supplement their income the seal hunt will continue. This is NFLD/Labrador they love their province and where they live, unfortunately far to many have had to leave to find work. I know people from there and they would move back in a heart beat if work was available. All these sealers are trying to do is survive and continue to live where they want.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
People are rude when they automatically discount what I posted. The devils advocate syndrome on here is like a virus and yes I hate posting in this particular forum because if I had posted something like, "I have cancer and my last wish is to help the earth. Would people disagree with me then?
I don't care if you think I should not post. I've got a tough skin and your attempt to shut me up is just a waste of time. Also, are you suggesting that I censor myself? If you did not like my statement about kitten stompers, well, maybe it hits too close to your home? If the expression "kitten stomper" offends you, well that makes me laugh...... I could have said much worse. You are suggesting I censor myself by not opening my mouth to injustice. Maybe you should start a thread about how you dislike people speaking out.
I believe that there are good PJ fans....who care about the same things as the band. Like the oceans. What if I posted about the state of the oceans, would someone be opposed to that as well?
I like the band Phish and as much as I like pearl jam, the phish fans are far more evolved in the way they treat strangers. There is a general feeling of all of us being connected....what you do to your fellow living being will come back to you. I believe in love, not violence. I think that is fine characteristic to have. I have never met a stranger on Phish tour. There would not waste their time trying to tell me I'm wrong.
If you think my post is worth nothing to this forum. Then I say have a nice bitter life of never understanding another's pain.
When I invent my empathy machine, you can try it out and walk a mile in my shoes, I'm just a mother who wants to teach her child that violence in any form serves no purpose to humans and animals alike. To tell me not to post here is just plain funny. I have every right to express what I feel and if that means that most people are going to bash me in the head with a pick I'll keep taking it. The more you disagree with my sending the message of non violence, the more passion I have to remain steadfast on this subject. Thanks for helping me gain speed. You are so considerate
Do you happen to have the title of this? As a birder, it sounds like it would be of great interest.
This is it: Crow Planet : Essential Wisdom from the Urban Wilderness by Lyanda Lynn Haupt
Awesome, thanks!
i dont stomp on kitties....
...even though i'm more of a dog person
I wanted to share a video showing violence by mankind.
I wanted to find other humans who were opposed to this act.
What I got was a discussion that went off onto other things.
All I wanted was to stay on topic and to help these creatures.
It seems kinda odd to say YOUR feelings are hurt after viewing this film.
http://www.peta.org/feat-canadaSealHunt.asp
ST. JOHN'S, N.L. - The commercial seal hunt is scheduled to resume Thursday in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and off northeastern Newfoundland in an area known as the Front.
However, few sealers are expected to head out. Frank Pinhorn of the Canadian Sealers Association says that's because there isn't much of a market for pelts.
He says he knows of only one company that's buying this year.
Pinhorn says some of the major buyers still have inventory from past years and he doesn't expect the situation to improve for another year or so.
Fisheries Minister Gail Shea says that while the Canadian sealing industry is not overly profitable right now, the federal government continues to seek new opportunities.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Bradley Bouzane, Canwest News Service
Published: Tuesday, April 06, 2010
A recent poll reveals half of Newfoundland sealers surveyed support a federal buyout of the industry, which would involve fishermen and vessel owners being compensated for their sealing licences, and money being invested in economic alternatives for affected communities.
The poll, conducted by Ipsos Reid on behalf of the Humane Society International/Canada, an animal rights group that opposes the hunt, said half of the 181 sealers it polled by telephone between Dec. 7, 2009 and Jan. 24, 2010 were in favour of a buyout. The poll is considered accurate plus or minus 7.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
But the Canadian Sealers Association does not see that as a reasonable option and disputes the poll's accuracy.
"There's 11,000 licensed sealers in Newfoundland and Labrador and I don't know where they got the sealers," said Frank Pinhorn, executive director of the Canadian Sealers Association in Newfoundland. "I don't think their base for doing this survey is representative in any meaningful percentage."
The humane society said the poll indicates the sealers' desire to take an alternate route instead of receiving government subsidies to keep the industry viable.
"The Canadian government claims they are supporting sealers by promoting and subsidizing the sealing industry," Humane Society executive director Rebecca Aldworth said in a news release. "Yet this poll reveals broad support among sealers for a federal buyout of the sealing industry -- a solution that would allow Canada to gracefully exit a controversy that has haunted us for five decades."
With the hunt set to open off Newfoundland's northeast coast on Thursday, one thing the two sides can seem to agree on is a depressed market for seal products.
Mr. Pinhorn said a reduced market is not only felt by the sealing industry, however, and expands into other fisheries as well.
"The sealing industry is not immune in 2009 or 2010 to what is happening worldwide with respect to the recession," Mr. Pinhorn said from Conception Bay South, just outside St. John's. "The market is cold on shrimp and lobsters and everything people in rural Newfoundland and Labrador harvest for a living."
Mr. Pinhorn estimates the total seal hunt this year will be similar to 2009, with only between 50,000 and 70,000 seals harvested. The quota set by the federal government is 335,000.
He insists the release of the poll is a ploy for groups opposed to the annual seal hunt to stay relevant when poor conditions do not allow them to be in the public eye during the harvest.
"Normally these groups make their pilgrimage to the Gulf [of St. Lawrence] each year and stick their helicopters down on the ice. But there's no ice out there this year, so they have to maintain their profile somehow," Mr. Pinhorn said. "It's an excuse to make people believe they're still doing something meaningful. It's another way for them to deceive the general public to get money into their accounts for selfish reasons. That's exactly what this is."
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If this is true then why doesn't PETA and all who are opposed to this and put their money where their mouth is and negotiate with these individuals and contribute to the cause, like I've stated they need the money, however, I doubt this poll is very accurate.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
http://ecopathic.blogspot.com/2008/03/d ... hales.html
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I cried at least twice.
Here is the video of the game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXiPLDJI ... _embedded#!
Apple rejects seal-clubbing game from App Store
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By National Post Staff April 29, 2010 – 4:59 pm
By Althea Manasan, National Post
With all the missing iPhone drama dogging Apple recently, who would have thought that the next issue to plague the tech firm would be seal hunting?
Last week the company rejected a video game submitted to their App Store that would let players club virtual seals on their handheld devices.
The game’s designer, Matt Smyth, a Canadian software engineer, can’t understand why.The 28-year-old from St. John’s, N.L., wrote on his blog:
So I decided to develop a game based on the seal hunt (with a club). You play a seal hunter armed with a club against an unlimited number of seals. Tilting the device in the desired direction moves the club around the screen, and making a flicking motion causes the club to hit a seal or the ground. I tired to keep the game light hearted as possible with no blood, or clubbing baby seals. Well… you can try and club the baby seals, but you lose points and they just take off really fast.
The game, called iSealClub, isn’t the first one that Apple has shunned from its online store. Professional developers and hobbyists alike can create and submit applications to the App Store, but some for one reason or another, some don’t make the cut. Panned games include the real life-inspired MyShoe, where you throw footwear at George W. Bush, and Baby Shaker, where you shake babies until they stop crying.
According to Apple’s rejection letter, iSealClub contained “objectionable content,” but Smyth disagrees. He told Canadian Press:
“I was careful not to make the game graphic or have any gore or anything. It’s very light-hearted. It’s all cartoon based. It’s not what you would consider a very violent game. I know it involves clubbing seals, but (it’s) no different than the way people get clubbed in Mickey Mouse or Looney Tunes.”
Smyth wonders whether Apple rejected the game because they oppose the Canadian seal hunt. He calls this unfair because the hunt is socially acceptable in his province and sanctioned by the federal government. And in his game, just in like real life, hunting baby seals in illegal. This observance of the law, he argues, makes his game less “objectionable” compared to other games available in the App Store that let players shoot cops and steal cars, like Grand Theft Auto.
“I have that on my phone,” he said. “You can walk around, shoot cops in cold blood, and watch them sort of fall down in their own pool of blood.”
But what Smyth is forgetting is that cops are not nearly as cute as cuddly seals.
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon