TEN - Why so much shit?!
Is it just me, or does Ten got a raw deal on here? It's like you're not a 'real' fan if you like Ten.
It's as though you're only a real fan if you love No Code!
What is it about Ten that some people don't like?! Don't get me wrong, it's not even my personal favourite Pearl Jam album but I can appreciate Ten for the master piece it is.
I know it'll forever be associated with the whole 'rise of grunge' and the 'Seattle scene' thing. I know it sold to the masses, had massive hit singles and that Pearl Jam were MTV's darlings for a while. But that doesn't make it a bad album.
As for the 'popular', 'hit' singles, nobody can tell me that Even Flow, Alive, Black and Jeremy aren't great songs. C'mon, they're classics.
Add Once, Why Go?, Oceans, Garden, Porch, Deep and, of coures Release and you've got an incredible album.
Hell, on the European version we even had Wash, Dirty Frank and Alive (live) as bonus tracks!!!
So what is it? Snobbery? Elitism? Or am I just wrong, and that Ten just isn't all that?!
It's as though you're only a real fan if you love No Code!
What is it about Ten that some people don't like?! Don't get me wrong, it's not even my personal favourite Pearl Jam album but I can appreciate Ten for the master piece it is.
I know it'll forever be associated with the whole 'rise of grunge' and the 'Seattle scene' thing. I know it sold to the masses, had massive hit singles and that Pearl Jam were MTV's darlings for a while. But that doesn't make it a bad album.
As for the 'popular', 'hit' singles, nobody can tell me that Even Flow, Alive, Black and Jeremy aren't great songs. C'mon, they're classics.
Add Once, Why Go?, Oceans, Garden, Porch, Deep and, of coures Release and you've got an incredible album.
Hell, on the European version we even had Wash, Dirty Frank and Alive (live) as bonus tracks!!!
So what is it? Snobbery? Elitism? Or am I just wrong, and that Ten just isn't all that?!
Cymru Am Byth
PJ albums, at the moment!! -
1,Vs 2,Vitalogy 3,No Code 4,Yield 5,Ten 6,Backspacer, 7Pearl Jam 8,Binaural 9,Riot Act.
PJ albums, at the moment!! -
1,Vs 2,Vitalogy 3,No Code 4,Yield 5,Ten 6,Backspacer, 7Pearl Jam 8,Binaural 9,Riot Act.
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not one bad song on it, it's a classic in my book.
The first copy I got was without the extra tracks, but still a great album.
Don't let anyone put you down for liking TEN, because without it I don't think we would have Pearl Jam today.
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Except Sundays, that's Ed day.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesn't work unless it's open. FZ
There is no denying 10's greatness. It put PJ on the map. It is the album every original PJ fan was introducted to before they became fans. I generally dismiss kids' criticism of Ten and chalk it up to lack of perspective.
A total classic....remember people like to hate popular things, easily their best work for me. absolutely love it.
Exactly right
I see the random hate comment, but most everyone I find loves it, even if it is third or 4th or their list.
A) The production is way too over the top, I cant listen to No Code or Binaural with it's gorgeous raw, delicate, rich production and then listen to Ten and enjoy it because Ten sounds like a Bon Jovi record.
HOWEVER all the songs from the album are incredible live, much more REAL and raw and emotional. Except Jeremy... I will forever hate that song for it's poptasticness.
totally agree
and agree again.
Ten was the bands most rehearsed album.. they knew the songs inside out before recording them... so it sounds polished.... but they are brilliant songs though... got me into the band.
just because you've heard evenflow 1000 times doesnt make it any less of a song
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but still on the bottom of my PJ album rankings.
I think most people who don't like it only don't like it as an ALBUM. The songs (except Jeremy) taken on their own are all brilliant songs, and incredible live.
BUT
Most people hate to listen to it because of the production and the lack of a real punky attitude that seemed to come with every album (except self-titled) from there on in.
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exactly what i was thinking.
Well, it sounds like an early 90's album because IT IS an early 90's album.
Ten is an absolute masterpiece. I never got the whole not liking things because they are popular. Just because ten sold over 10 million worldwide or whatever it is, people knock it. I just never got that.
Well said, good point.
But come on, this is, IMO an all-time classic rock album. Black, Alive, Even Flow, Release, Porch, Oceans...all on one album?
People talk about the Binaural sessions being PJ at their peak...but imagine Ten with Ledbetter, SOLAT, Footsteps, etc...
I get the production issues, i can't argue with them...id love to hear a BOB remix.
Always will.
But It's kind of like your first fuck in a way. You always remember it...but you've since moved on to other things.
routine was the theme..
there aint gonna be any middle any more
I recently left a few CDs with my father. Among them was "Ten" and KoL's "Because of the Times".
My father has "decent" musical taste. I was stunned the evening he got drunk and told me about all the bands he saw live when he was in the Army (Fleetwood Mac, Kiss, etc.). He's always been a huge fan of Aerosmith, and completely loves nearly everything Kid Rock puts out (That makes my soul hurt).
He hated Ten, but has requested any music by KoL I can get him.
I spent almost an hour thinking about this while I was driving home after my last visit. I thought about how it was possible for my dad to dismiss the single most revolutionary album in my life (no album has had a bigger affect on my music choices since).
My father said it sounded "dirty" and he couldn't understand the lyrics.
So I listened to Ten, and as I did I realized that while I completely loved every moment of every song, I would resounding prefer a live version of any of those songs.
It is a wonderful album, it is classic, powerful, and great. Yet, going into it blind, as an album, it doesn't hold up to any of the post Vitalogy albums.
I cherish Ten, and every song, but when I grab a PJ disc, I normally go for No Code, Yield, Binaural, or a bootleg.
So, I decided that the next discs I give dad are going to be a bootleg show. I bet he loves it and never makes the connection to the songs he's already determined he didn't like.
...my 2 pennies.
As far as production goes.... c'mon Ten is rich with highs and lows and totally representative of the band at the time. I believe the production reflects the youth and energy of the band that drew us all in so long ago . It doesn't need to be remixed IMO.
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