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  • it was unfortunate, but its not cooke's fault

    he has a job to do and he did it. ALL he did was finish his check. he absolutely does not lift his arm. there is the ever so slightest act of making himself a little broader, if you will, so as to make contact. but he stays on his skates, he came in clean, and he did not lift his elbow. if he doesnt finsh checks, he gets called out on tape and by the coaches, he keeps that up he loses his spot.

    you guys on here that think the b's shoulda messed cooke up, or worse someone said they shoulda run at crosby or the pens stars, you people are being hypocritical. why would you wanna see more injury and pain? what is that gonna solve? wanting it to be visited on a person not involved with the play is just plain malicious

    as someone said on the first page the reason the b's held back on cooke was that they knew it was a legit hockey play with an unfortunate outcome

    i hate to see guys get hurt but it is a fast and violent sport. every fan knows that, every player too
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  • m0jorisenm0jorisen Posts: 516
    coachchris wrote:
    The players being checked need to be accountable too! Most (not all) of these head shots are because the player with the puck put themselves in a vulnerable position.

    As a longtime coach of the game (15 years at all levels), I would be upset if my player didn't finish his check.

    If you don't keep your head up after that many years of playing at an elite level you deserve to have your bell rung, this isn't your first year of body contact.

    I don't like seeing any player leave on a stretcher but I bet he doesn't cut across the middle of the ice with his head down again. At some point one of the guys who gets checked needs to admit on camera "wow I'm an idiot to think I wasn't going to get hammered while I admired my pass while cutting through the middle of the ice in the defensive zone."



    come on coach head down or not a clean check is a clean check and this was far from it
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  • Phantom PainPhantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    Wow you can tell who the Penguin fans are in this thread :roll:

    Being a Flyers fan I have seen plenty of cheap shots and dirty hits and this was one of them

    The people "holding up" the rule changes are the owners

    I believe there is a Managers meeting this week about addressing head shots and what needs to be done
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  • coachchriscoachchris Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 749
    m0jorisen wrote:
    coachchris wrote:
    The players being checked need to be accountable too! Most (not all) of these head shots are because the player with the puck put themselves in a vulnerable position.

    As a longtime coach of the game (15 years at all levels), I would be upset if my player didn't finish his check.

    If you don't keep your head up after that many years of playing at an elite level you deserve to have your bell rung, this isn't your first year of body contact.

    I don't like seeing any player leave on a stretcher but I bet he doesn't cut across the middle of the ice with his head down again. At some point one of the guys who gets checked needs to admit on camera "wow I'm an idiot to think I wasn't going to get hammered while I admired my pass while cutting through the middle of the ice in the defensive zone."



    come on coach head down or not a clean check is a clean check and this was far from it

    It's really hard to tell from all of the angles I've seen whether or not the elbow comes up. Regardless, as a coach, if Cooke doesn't finish that hit he's pointless to have in my lineup. You have a guy taking a shot on net and crossing the middle of the ice with his head down, you make him think twice the next time he enters the zone. Every coach wants to keep the puck out of the middle of the ice. A punishing hit delivers the message to the opponent that they had better stay to the outside.

    I'm not a Penguins fan and as stated don't want to see anyone leave by way of stretcher. Had he bounced back up everyone would be talking about what a great hit it was and what grit the player had for being able to get back up from it.

    As I mentioned before, players need to take some responsibility for putting themselves in a vulnerable position with their head down.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    coachchris wrote:
    m0jorisen wrote:
    coachchris wrote:
    The players being checked need to be accountable too! Most (not all) of these head shots are because the player with the puck put themselves in a vulnerable position.

    As a longtime coach of the game (15 years at all levels), I would be upset if my player didn't finish his check.

    If you don't keep your head up after that many years of playing at an elite level you deserve to have your bell rung, this isn't your first year of body contact.

    I don't like seeing any player leave on a stretcher but I bet he doesn't cut across the middle of the ice with his head down again. At some point one of the guys who gets checked needs to admit on camera "wow I'm an idiot to think I wasn't going to get hammered while I admired my pass while cutting through the middle of the ice in the defensive zone."



    come on coach head down or not a clean check is a clean check and this was far from it

    It's really hard to tell from all of the angles I've seen whether or not the elbow comes up. Regardless, as a coach, if Cooke doesn't finish that hit he's pointless to have in my lineup. You have a guy taking a shot on net and crossing the middle of the ice with his head down, you make him think twice the next time he enters the zone. Every coach wants to keep the puck out of the middle of the ice. A punishing hit delivers the message to the opponent that they had better stay to the outside.

    I'm not a Penguins fan and as stated don't want to see anyone leave by way of stretcher. Had he bounced back up everyone would be talking about what a great hit it was and what grit the player had for being able to get back up from it.

    As I mentioned before, players need to take some responsibility for putting themselves in a vulnerable position with their head down.

    Looks to me like he put his elbow, and if he did that's not cool. They get away with it today because the NHL forced the enforcer role into extinction.
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  • coachchriscoachchris Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 749
    Even with the Enforcer Rule, the person who delivered the hit was rarely held accountable. It just ended up being goon vs goon on the following shift.

    You as a player have to be aware that Cooke is on the ice and is capable of a hit of this magnitude.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXixraReToU
    This is just one example.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't like Cooke :lol: but I don't have a problem with what he's done. Keep your head up kids, it's a quick game out there!
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  • RoughMixRoughMix back of a lorry Posts: 385
    coachchris wrote:
    Even with the Enforcer Rule, the person who delivered the hit was rarely held accountable. It just ended up being goon vs goon on the following shift.

    You as a player have to be aware that Cooke is on the ice and is capable of a hit of this magnitude.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXixraReToU
    This is just one example.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't like Cooke :lol: but I don't have a problem with what he's done. Keep your head up kids, it's a quick game out there!

    His head was up! This was a blindside hit to the head.
    There was no way he could even see him coming.
    Cheap shot.He has done this before.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    RoughMix wrote:
    His head was up! This was a blindside hit to the head.
    There was no way he could even see him coming.
    Cheap shot.He has done this before.

    yeah ... his head was up ... it's one thing to finish a check but since when did laying your elbow (or shoulder even) into a guys head be part of checking? ... he could have easily hit savard shoulder to shoulder but deliberately went for the head ... there is no defence for it ... this is not part of the game ...
  • m0jorisenm0jorisen Posts: 516
    polaris_x wrote:
    RoughMix wrote:
    His head was up! This was a blindside hit to the head.
    There was no way he could even see him coming.
    Cheap shot.He has done this before.

    yeah ... his head was up ... it's one thing to finish a check but since when did laying your elbow (or shoulder even) into a guys head be part of checking? ... he could have easily hit savard shoulder to shoulder but deliberately went for the head ... there is no defence for it ... this is not part of the game ...



    my point exactly
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i vote they fight to the death.
    "you stupid assholes wanna fight and act like idiots, have at it"
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    RoughMix wrote:
    His head was up! This was a blindside hit to the head.
    There was no way he could even see him coming.
    Cheap shot.He has done this before.

    yeah ... his head was up ... it's one thing to finish a check but since when did laying your elbow (or shoulder even) into a guys head be part of checking? ... he could have easily hit savard shoulder to shoulder but deliberately went for the head ... there is no defence for it ... this is not part of the game ...

    They need to start by banning head shots, first offence 10 games, 2nd 40 games, 3rd rest of season, also penalize the team by counting his salary toward the teams cap even if it's the whole year.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    lukin2006 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    RoughMix wrote:
    His head was up! This was a blindside hit to the head.
    There was no way he could even see him coming.
    Cheap shot.He has done this before.

    yeah ... his head was up ... it's one thing to finish a check but since when did laying your elbow (or shoulder even) into a guys head be part of checking? ... he could have easily hit savard shoulder to shoulder but deliberately went for the head ... there is no defence for it ... this is not part of the game ...

    They need to start by banning head shots, first offence 10 games, 2nd 40 games, 3rd rest of season, also penalize the team by counting his salary toward the teams cap even if it's the whole year.

    So, how do you define a "headshot"?

    One of the examples I've seen thrown around is the Ovechkin/Jagr hit at the Olympics... while Ovechkin hit him straight on, it was technically a headshot (concussion, apparently a broken visor). Should that hit be outlawed?

    I think the blindside hits are the problem, but how is that defined? at what angle from the side is a hit considered a blindside one?
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  • Savard put his head down right before the hit and it was right after he passed the puck, therefore Cooke was technically just finishing his check. There are no rules against hits like that so there was no reason to call a penalty given that it was related to the play.

    That being said Cooke probably will get suspended given his track record. While he didn't really raise his shoulder, he didn't try to lower it. And the same punishment would be given to anyone hitting Crosby like that. I hate it when people say stupid shit like that. Unless you think the Bruins are just a bunch of pussies for not going after Cooke, the real reason is that it was just a hockey play and they knew it.
    cooke stuck his elbow out, he was watching savard the whole time, savard never moved his head. there was 5:37 left in the game.. im pretty sure the only thing on the bruins mind was hoping savard was okay and wanting to tie it up, not revenge. that comes next week.

    here's to hoping to see crosby's ass on the ice next week.


    To clear things up, I'll out myself as a penguin fan right away.
    So OP wants Crosby run next game? that makes every thing you hate about cooke pretty hypocritical,yes? Crosby didn't cheapshot him, cooke did. Cooke will pay the price.

    I usually like Cooke.Pretty solid 3rd liner, but things like this get me ticked at him, plus he rarely drops the gloves for playing as edgy as he does. Not a lot of respect there.
    What i really hope happens, and they discussed this on the radio here in pittsburgh is that as a repeat offender cooke will probably get 5 games. But as luck would have it our 5th game just happens to be the rematch against boston.
    I say give cooke a 4 game suspension and have him get his ass kicked by lucic or chara on the 5th day. I think even Cooke knows he has to drop the mitts this time.
    Sounds fair to me.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,201
    Savard put his head down right before the hit and it was right after he passed the puck, therefore Cooke was technically just finishing his check. There are no rules against hits like that so there was no reason to call a penalty given that it was related to the play.

    That being said Cooke probably will get suspended given his track record. While he didn't really raise his shoulder, he didn't try to lower it. And the same punishment would be given to anyone hitting Crosby like that. I hate it when people say stupid shit like that. Unless you think the Bruins are just a bunch of pussies for not going after Cooke, the real reason is that it was just a hockey play and they knew it.
    cooke stuck his elbow out, he was watching savard the whole time, savard never moved his head. there was 5:37 left in the game.. im pretty sure the only thing on the bruins mind was hoping savard was okay and wanting to tie it up, not revenge. that comes next week.

    here's to hoping to see crosby's ass on the ice next week.


    To clear things up, I'll out myself as a penguin fan right away.
    So OP wants Crosby run next game? that makes every thing you hate about cooke pretty hypocritical,yes? Crosby didn't cheapshot him, cooke did. Cooke will pay the price.

    I usually like Cooke.Pretty solid 3rd liner, but things like this get me ticked at him, plus he rarely drops the gloves for playing as edgy as he does. Not a lot of respect there.
    What i really hope happens, and they discussed this on the radio here in pittsburgh is that as a repeat offender cooke will probably get 5 games. But as luck would have it our 5th game just happens to be the rematch against boston.
    I say give cooke a 4 game suspension and have him get his ass kicked by lucic or chara on the 5th day. I think even Cooke knows he has to drop the mitts this time.
    Sounds fair to me.

    THIS sounds like a fair plan to me....now LET'S GO BRUINS

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  • ah sweet justice

    matt cooke and his clean, albeit unfortunate hit, will go unpunished

    :D
    and fuck me if I say somethin you dont wanna hear, fuck me!
    and fuck me if you only hear what you wanna hear
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    wow... terrible decison, but he backed himself into a corner letting Richards and Duncan Keith go unpunished... I'm a Pens fan, and I don't agree with Campbell at all (not that I really do that much anyway).

    He has just given everyone the green light to to take headshots as long as you don't use your elbows or leave your feet.

    I can't wait to see the buzz leading up to the Pens Bruins game next week.
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  • coachchriscoachchris Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 749
    Kind of like I've been saying....the one being hit needs to be accountable as well. Keep your head up when crossing through the middle of the ice, it's a fast game out there kids!
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  • If you skip to 1:20 of this clip, you will see it slowed down to where it seems that Cooke is going for a shoulder-to-shoulder hit, but because of Savard skating backwards after the shot it ends up being on his head. I really like Savard and anyone who thinks Cooke was trying to end his season is a moron. Yes he's a "dirty" player, but he's been suspended enough to know what crosses the line.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z1vJrIA ... r_embedded

    And at least the NHL is somewhat consistent. There's no way you suspend Cooke after you let Richards off the hook.
  • RoughMixRoughMix back of a lorry Posts: 385
    coachchris wrote:
    Kind of like I've been saying....the one being hit needs to be accountable as well. Keep your head up when crossing through the middle of the ice, it's a fast game out there kids!

    For a "coach" you don't make much sense when talking about the hit on Savard.
    You can have your head up but if you are hit from the blindside, you will never know it's coming.
    This hit will be illegal next year.
    What the NHL is saying...the person hitting has to be responsible for his decision to target a player's head in an irresponsible manner, i.e. blinside headshot.
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  • lovebuzzlovebuzz Posts: 42
    coachchris wrote:
    Kind of like I've been saying....the one being hit needs to be accountable as well. Keep your head up when crossing through the middle of the ice, it's a fast game out there kids!

    Sorry, but this is a ridiculous comment. Savard shot the puck and was just watching where it was going - you can't possibly expect him to have been able to watch for guys coming from a completely different direction... that's why it's call a BLINDside. What was he supposed to do - carry the puck but not look around the ice for a pass or shot, don't look for scoring chances but rather look everywhere else to make sure no goons are coming headhunting? It's not like he was carrying the puck with head down and eyes on the puck - a la Eric Lindros when he got creamed by Scotty Stevens years ago - he had his head up and was looking for scoring opportunities.

    Side note: If your stick gets up in the air and unintentionally smacks an opponent in the face, your still responsible for your stick and you'll get at least two for high sticking. The same should apply to your body - even if he wasn't intentionally going to clip Savard in the head, he should still be held responsible for his actions. He should have gotten a 5 roughing major and a game misconduct due to intent to injure, followed by a 10 game suspension. Now hockey loses a star in Savard and Cooke gets to continue playing like nothing ever happened? Lame. (And yes, had it been Savard who blindsided Cooke, I would still call for the punishment - it doesn't matter that Savard is a star player, it just sucks that he could be gone for a long, long time...)
  • ^sucks for b's fans anyway :o
    and fuck me if I say somethin you dont wanna hear, fuck me!
    and fuck me if you only hear what you wanna hear
    fuck me...if I care...but im not leavin here
  • coachchriscoachchris Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 749
    RoughMix wrote:
    coachchris wrote:
    Kind of like I've been saying....the one being hit needs to be accountable as well. Keep your head up when crossing through the middle of the ice, it's a fast game out there kids!

    For a "coach" you don't make much sense when talking about the hit on Savard.
    You can have your head up but if you are hit from the blindside, you will never know it's coming.
    This hit will be illegal next year.
    What the NHL is saying...the person hitting has to be responsible for his decision to target a player's head in an irresponsible manner, i.e. blinside headshot.

    If Matt Cooke doesn't finish his hit in this instance then he's out of a job. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just speaking as a coach. At the NHL level Cooke has to earn each and every second of every shift.
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  • man, for the penguins sake i hope crosby or cooke are not on the ice when chara, lucic, or thornton is out there.. i hope cooke or even crosby can't walk out of the garden next week. bullshit.. comeplete bullshit.. clean hit my ass.
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  • Gotta love Billy G saying he thinks he should be suspended:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/stor ... LHeadlines
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    man, for the penguins sake i hope crosby or cooke are not on the ice when chara, lucic, or thornton is out there.. i hope cooke or even crosby can't walk out of the garden next week. bullshit.. comeplete bullshit.. clean hit my ass.

    we're talking about Cindy Crosby here. The league whore. Touch him and your career is over. Fuck Cooke and Cindy. This reminds me of Stevens and the devils. As tuff of a player he was, and I wouldve loved for him to play for my rangers, he was a pussy when it came to dropping his gloves. Him and holik, they'd push people around or hit them blindsided and then go run behind all the players when someone actually defended themselves..so once again to all you Pens fans-fuck cindy Crosby!!!!
  • badbrains wrote:
    man, for the penguins sake i hope crosby or cooke are not on the ice when chara, lucic, or thornton is out there.. i hope cooke or even crosby can't walk out of the garden next week. bullshit.. comeplete bullshit.. clean hit my ass.

    we're talking about Cindy Crosby here. The league whore. Touch him and your career is over. Fuck Cooke and Cindy. This reminds me of Stevens and the devils. As tuff of a player he was, and I wouldve loved for him to play for my rangers, he was a pussy when it came to dropping his gloves. Him and holik, they'd push people around or hit them blindsided and then go run behind all the players when someone actually defended themselves..so once again to all you Pens fans-fuck cindy Crosby!!!!


    Wow... jealous much? Typical Rags fan. Even if anything you said had any truth to it, in no way is it Sid's fault. He has no control over any of it whatsoever. All he does is go out and play his game. Do you think it's the league's doing that he's already won the Hart, a Cup, and the Gold? Dude's got talent. If Ovechkin didn't disappear in the spotlight then it would all be about him. Why would the league promote mediocrity?

    But to get to the point, if Chara had the same hit on Sid then he would walk to. Rules are rules and until they change them nobody will be held accountable.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Rags fan? U bet, better than being a pens fan who are FAGS...I hope to god one day Cindy gets smashed right in his fucken mouth so he can't cry anymore. Yah I'm crying I know I am but I'm also not in the NHL making millions winning the hart, byng, whatever the fuck else that little girls won. And when that day comes, you my pens fan, will be doing all of the crying....ovi is wayyyyyyyyy better then cindy and he finishes his checks..your little bitch loves to dive and cry in that order!!!! Fuck Cindy!!!!
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited March 2010
    Oh and there's nothing wrong with being a gay ,,just ask Cindy Crosby...
  • ^you sound angry
    and fuck me if I say somethin you dont wanna hear, fuck me!
    and fuck me if you only hear what you wanna hear
    fuck me...if I care...but im not leavin here
  • and i challenge you to find and produce here ONE actual clip or interview where sid is complaining about a call or a player or whatever...and i dont mean the kind of back and forth that every player gets involved with

    i mean if you say he's a crybaby then prove it
    and fuck me if I say somethin you dont wanna hear, fuck me!
    and fuck me if you only hear what you wanna hear
    fuck me...if I care...but im not leavin here
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