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MAKE MARIJUANA LEGAL

mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
edited February 2010 in A Moving Train
Not just for medical use, although that would be a start for the 36 states that don't. Anyone over the age of 21 can buy gallons of booze. Pot is FAR less harmful to the body and the brain than alcohol. I know that fun is often poked at "stoners". And while moderation is always the key, having been around both, I prefer the company of stoners to that of drunks.
. . .I'm just saying
fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

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  • left the porchleft the porch Posts: 504
    lettinggo wrote:
    Not just for medical use, although that would be a start for the 36 states that don't. Anyone over the age of 21 can buy gallons of booze. Pot is FAR less harmful to the body and the brain than alcohol. I know that fun is often poked at "stoners". And while moderation is always the key, having been around both, I prefer the company of stoners to that of drunks.
    . . .I'm just saying

    Dude I don't even know you but I can honestly say, I love the way you think. Fucking A right, legalize it! :D
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    lettinggo wrote:
    Not just for medical use, although that would be a start for the 36 states that don't. Anyone over the age of 21 can buy gallons of booze. Pot is FAR less harmful to the body and the brain than alcohol. I know that fun is often poked at "stoners". And while moderation is always the key, having been around both, I prefer the company of stoners to that of drunks.
    . . .I'm just saying
    I prefer the company of both!
  • ryanevolutionryanevolution Posts: 782
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  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    pandora wrote:
    lettinggo wrote:
    Not just for medical use, although that would be a start for the 36 states that don't. Anyone over the age of 21 can buy gallons of booze. Pot is FAR less harmful to the body and the brain than alcohol. I know that fun is often poked at "stoners". And while moderation is always the key, having been around both, I prefer the company of stoners to that of drunks.
    . . .I'm just saying
    I prefer the company of both!

    Touche', I have been both. Now I am neither, I can drink and smoke in moderation (just not at the same time).
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    move to california

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/29 ... -2010jan29

    :mrgreen:
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    As long as people can't be stoned on the job or while driving I'm all for it. Oh and I'm for a very high tax on it as well.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I'm good with the medical end of it.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    my sister-n-law has rare disease called cerebellum degeneration and honestly weed is the only thing that
    helps in her late stage of her illness.

    Godfather.
  • release23420release23420 Posts: 1,176
    i down for it :mrgreen:
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    unsung wrote:
    As long as people can't be stoned on the job or while driving I'm all for it. Oh and I'm for a very high tax on it as well.


    What makes you think that people would pay tax on pot if it was legal? I mean growers are willing to risk jail time to make money off it now; I am not sure how much they would be concerned over a tax evasion charge? Especially when the illegal infrastructure is essentially all ready in place.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Why stop at just Marijuana? Why not legalize all drugs?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Stypo420Stypo420 Posts: 519
    I'm with you Mary has always been good to me, she is a kind and gental soul.

    Just look at deaths:

    100 million people died of tobacco-related causes during the 20th century. :shock:

    In the United States during 2004, 16,694 deaths occurred as a result of alcohol-related motor-vehicle crashes. :?

    Mary she has never killed anyone, anytime anywhere. :mrgreen:
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Why stop at just Marijuana? Why not legalize all drugs?

    Baby steps, Five B, baby steps
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    edited February 2010
    Not saying I want either of these options, but I'm just curious what people think.

    I also do find it funny that so many who to make marijuana legal, a strict anti/left leaning government group to begin with, all of a sudden, would swing the other direction in favor of government control of the industry for high taxes on the product? Seems rather odd doesn't it?
    lettinggo wrote:
    Baby steps, Five B, baby steps
    Post edited by FiveB247x on
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Stypo420Stypo420 Posts: 519
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Why stop at just Marijuana? Why not legalize all drugs?

    I actually agree with this too, Who in there right mind would do heroin legal or not, but if someone does want it let them get it from a doctor who can atleast present the risks before handing it over. Bottom line drugs are a medical problem but to meny cops, correctional workers, shierfs judges, clerks, lawyers make ass heaps of money off this stupid "war on drugs" I swear it is all a curtain to block the attention of the general puplic as the lower socio economic groups are escorted to prison instead of a hospitals . :evil:
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    What people need to figure out is that these drugs will never be legal... if anything we need to adjust the justice system to properly correct the penalties and long term criminalization/treatment programs of those who get caught. And yes, as goose points out, it turns into a socio-economic project to sweep the poor minorities to jail.
    lgoose420 wrote:
    I actually agree with this too, Who in there right mind would do heroin legal or not, but if someone does want it let them get it from a doctor who can atleast present the risks before handing it over. Bottom line drugs are a medical problem but to meny cops, correctional workers, shierfs judges, clerks, lawyers make ass heaps of money off this stupid "war on drugs" I swear it is all a curtain to block the attention of the general puplic as the lower socio economic groups are escorted to prison instead of a hospitals . :evil:
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Not saying I want either of these options, but I'm just curious what people think.

    I also do find it funny that so many who to make marijuana legal, a strict anti/left leaning government group to begin with, all of a sudden, would swing the other direction in favor of government control of the industry for high taxes on the product? Seems rather odd doesn't it?
    lettinggo wrote:
    Baby steps, Five B, baby steps

    I was joking, FiveB. I do not want EVERY drug legalized. But I do believe that marijuana is not harmful or addictive. In NC the state runs the liquor stores, but that is not the case in every state. Legalization of pot does not automatically imply governmental overlords. Each state can make its own plan. I am quite sure my state will be one of the last to do so, though.
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I'm pretty much for most sin taxes and against property and income taxes.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Albeit every state has laws regarding drugs, alcohol and arms, the overall, large laws like legal age of use and similar are federal... so why would this issue be different?
    lettinggo wrote:
    I was joking, FiveB. I do not want EVERY drug legalized. But I do believe that marijuana is not harmful or addictive. In NC the state runs the liquor stores, but that is not the case in every state. Legalization of pot does not automatically imply governmental overlords. Each state can make its own plan. I am quite sure my state will be one of the last to do so, though.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    FiveB247x wrote:
    What people need to figure out is that these drugs will never be legal... if anything we need to adjust the justice system to properly correct the penalties and long term criminalization/treatment programs of those who get caught. And yes, as goose points out, it turns into a socio-economic project to sweep the poor minorities to jail.
    A defeatist attitude only empowers those employing bad policy.
    I dont think there should be ANY penalities for drug use.
    Tax and regulate weed via growing permits only...while I feel that concerns about driving and working impaired are grossly exaggerated, I strongly feel that they need to develop more practical testing for mj impairment. If these are major concerns, a test that detects use in the past several weeks (essentially testing for ANY use, not impairment) is not fair to anyone.
    I support legalization of everything else too...
    Tax and regulate every other drug similarly to alcohol, with ALL proceeds (and budget savings realized by ending the war on drugs) going directly to education/harm reduction, and healthcare programs.
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Drowned Out wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    What people need to figure out is that these drugs will never be legal... if anything we need to adjust the justice system to properly correct the penalties and long term criminalization/treatment programs of those who get caught. And yes, as goose points out, it turns into a socio-economic project to sweep the poor minorities to jail.
    A defeatist attitude only empowers those employing bad policy.
    I dont think there should be ANY penalities for drug use.
    Tax and regulate weed via growing permits only...while I feel that concerns about driving and working impaired are grossly exaggerated, I strongly feel that they need to develop more practical testing for mj impairment. If these are major concerns, a test that detects use in the past several weeks (essentially testing for ANY use, not impairment) is not fair to anyone.
    I support legalization of everything else too...
    Tax and regulate every other drug similarly to alcohol, with ALL proceeds (and budget savings realized by ending the war on drugs) going directly to education/harm reduction, and healthcare programs.

    Except like I mentioned in a previous post, how do you get the sellers to pay their taxes? I mean if someone today has a grow op set up with the lights and all the equipment and they are making money dealing. If marijuana was legalized tomorrow how exactly would you enforce the law so that that the dealers pay their taxes? I mean this is something that is already pretty much done in secret and its not like dealers would be writing out receipts. It would be like me selling my couch to a friend and then the government thinking I would claim the money I made as income.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Kel Varnsen wrote:

    Except like I mentioned in a previous post, how do you get the sellers to pay their taxes? I mean if someone today has a grow op set up with the lights and all the equipment and they are making money dealing. If marijuana was legalized tomorrow how exactly would you enforce the law so that that the dealers pay their taxes? I mean this is something that is already pretty much done in secret and its not like dealers would be writing out receipts. It would be like me selling my couch to a friend and then the government thinking I would claim the money I made as income.
    In my scenario, I'd hope there would be no sellers,and if there were, they would not be taxed.
    If the government can't keep their hands out of the cookie jar...Sell grow licenses, and if the public thinks it's necessary, implement penalities for growing without one.
    It's a plant...it can be grown anywhere...the supply could be big enough that there would be no market to make a profit.
    "manufactured" drugs like coke, heroin, E, and meth should be regulated for purity and user safety.
  • ryanevolutionryanevolution Posts: 782
    The debate always becomes centered on recreational use and growing it for smoking. The issue is NOT that at all. It was made illegal because of its industrial uses and that it was and is the biggest thret to major industries such as oil (and every product it makes), cotton and all textiles ("america's fabric" yeah right), and paper.


    Also STOP calling it the racist fictitious wordsound "marijuana". It is cannabis or hemp.
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    ...And how could I forget, also a huge threat to the pharma industry.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Also, a very valid point. So much money and industry goes into the drug business.. whether it's for growers, sellers, transporters, buyers or on the legal side police, government and similar. The whole - just legalize it and tax it, is a pipe dream with no real thought out plan behind it in logistics. Not saying that's really the most rational or reasonable point for it's legalization or not, but it certainly is a fair one to point out.
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    Except like I mentioned in a previous post, how do you get the sellers to pay their taxes? I mean if someone today has a grow op set up with the lights and all the equipment and they are making money dealing. If marijuana was legalized tomorrow how exactly would you enforce the law so that that the dealers pay their taxes? I mean this is something that is already pretty much done in secret and its not like dealers would be writing out receipts. It would be like me selling my couch to a friend and then the government thinking I would claim the money I made as income.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    ryanevolution wrote:
    The debate always becomes centered on recreational use and growing it for smoking. The issue is NOT that at all. It was made illegal because of its industrial uses and that it was and is the biggest thret to major industries such as oil (and every product it makes), cotton and all textiles ("america's fabric" yeah right), and paper.


    Also STOP calling it the racist fictitious wordsound "marijuana". It is cannabis or hemp.

    Racist?? I think not. And it's Cannabis Sativa. Hemp is too broad. I prefer to just call it weed, which is also a broad term, but people always know what I mean.
    Peace brother. ;)
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    ryanevolution wrote:
    The debate always becomes centered on recreational use and growing it for smoking. The issue is NOT that at all. It was made illegal because of its industrial uses and that it was and is the biggest thret to major industries such as oil (and every product it makes), cotton and all textiles ("america's fabric" yeah right), and paper.


    Also STOP calling it the racist fictitious wordsound "marijuana". It is cannabis or hemp.
    The debate is centred on rec use because people's misunderstandings about it are what KEEP it illegal (misunderstanding or conditioning, take your pick)...for all intents and purposes, hemp and weed have become two completely separate issues.
    (Hemp illegality, while not as detrimental on a personal/human level, is actually the bigger travesty IMO....)

    How is the word marijuana racist? I know it was a Spanish word used to tie it to American xenophobia at the time...but just cause it was used to tie it to a race, doesn't mean that it's meaning is racist? It's a commonly used name for it, nothing more or less.....or am I missing something?
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    But why would people who currently sell or use drugs, and already disregard the law and in some terms their own well-being and safety, all of a sudden want to work through the government or some official industry? What is the benefit to them in this scenario?
    Drowned Out wrote:
    In my scenario, I'd hope there would be no sellers,and if there were, they would not be taxed.
    If the government can't keep their hands out of the cookie jar...Sell grow licenses, and if the public thinks it's necessary, implement penalities for growing without one.
    It's a plant...it can be grown anywhere...the supply could be big enough that there would be no market to make a profit.
    "manufactured" drugs like coke, heroin, E, and meth should be regulated for purity and user safety.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • florence151florence151 Posts: 597
    Decriminalized in Massachusetts. $100- ticket for under 1 ounce. No criminal record, no jail, no tying up the courts with the time and expense of prosecuting this minor infraction.

    Speaking of Massachusetts, our new Senator Brown broke ranks with the Republican party and voted for the recent jobs bill. Hmmm. Have to say I'm listening closer to him now. Will he be someone who can bridge the ideological gap dividing Washington and judge bills on their merit?
    Hold On
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    FiveB247x wrote:
    But why would people who currently sell or use drugs, and already disregard the law and in some terms their own well-being and safety, all of a sudden want to work through the government or some official industry? What is the benefit to them in this scenario?

    That's what I wonder. Especailly in a legalized scenario there would be increased competition, which would mean lower profit margins, which would mean if you are a grower/seller and you can make some extra cash by not paying taxes on something you are selling in secret why wouldn't you.
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